What Does Celtic Even Mean? From the Ancient Celts to the Celtic Nations of Today

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  • @celtichistorydecoded
    @celtichistorydecoded  Рік тому +5

    Thanks for watching! Please let me know your thoughts below...

    • @CENTRIX4
      @CENTRIX4 Рік тому

      Celtic is a linguistic and cultural group.
      Celtic is also a distinct genetic Y Haplotype group.
      The Celtic Y Haplotype group originates with the R1b P312 mutation.
      R1b P312 mutation originates in the Black Forest Southern Bavaria in the German Alps.
      Descendants of the R1b P312 mutation migrated in different directions creating what is widely referred to as the Celtic Culture.
      R1b L21 proliferated within the Atlantic Climate Zone of Britain Ireland and the western fringe of the European continent .
      Depigmentation of the skin being less melanin in the skin enables this R1b L21sub-clade to produce Vitamin D3 more efficiently with a very dense cloud cover as found within the Atlantic Climate Zone.
      Ginger Hair R1b L21 MC1R gene.
      The bands of ultra Violet that can penetrate a very, very dense cloud cover and a very dense drizzle mist right down to ground level can penetrate ginger hair to reach the skin on the skull to produce Vitamin D3.
      Thus ginger hair is a biological adaption that enables the body to increase Vitamin D3 production from sun on the skin within the Atlantic Climate Zone.
      Above is the genetic reason and biological reason why ginger hair exists.
      Comments welcome

    • @MAKDÁVID-KRIŽ
      @MAKDÁVID-KRIŽ Рік тому

      Kell,Kelt,Kelet,Keletkez,Keltő ….won’t become a more meaningful words if K is written with C but still pronounced as K.
      Kelt meaning Risen like Kelet meaning East is related to Sun 🌞 as being the place where it rises hence in sense of people it refers to Eastern people or people of Dawn to MacAr -MacArIstan.

    • @nickaschenbecker9882
      @nickaschenbecker9882 Рік тому

      Some of the things you touched on in the video very much mirror my own thoughts. It's a think outside observers called them similar to the case with the Phoenicians. The Phoenicians/Carthaginians/Canaanites et al. weren't ethnically or even necessarily culturally connected nor did they even necessarily know about each other. We're not even 100% sure what the word, "Phoenician," even means. So the case with the Celts is very much the same. The map that shows the greatest area of Celtic expansion circa 275 BC is telling-that's most of Europe and well into Anatolia! So this desire to try and poke holes in these 2,000ish year old phylums arises as it did in Tolkien. So, to borrow a quote from Dmitry Pisarev - "What can be broken, should be broken."
      I hesitate to call it a taxonomic dustbin, as such, but it almost seems a word to describe a stereotype. All PIE languages descended from a common language so of course there are many similarities abound, especially considering this was the archaic period when not a lot of time had passed to allow for the evolution of such distinct languages like we have today. But where does one make an empirical cutoff and call a thing distinct? On the fringes of so-called territories something like a Venn diagram happens and these "Celts" seem awfully similar to Germanic, Slavic or Scythian peoples. Not to mention, globalization is nothing new so, by way of trading and people moving about, you're going to see similarities in art and material culture. Good ideas tend to get borrowed if not stolen.
      So do I think the Celts were/are a thing? Yes, but also no. I think there's a human compulsion to put everything into nice, orderly groups and it's existed long before Hecataeus put plume to parchment. Human migration and expansion is far to chaotic and arbitrary to allow for such oversimplifications. But Celtic culture is alive and well in Eastern Europe today.
      Also, the comment above me trying to tie the word to Hungarian language is just silly. Deutsch and English are both Germanic languages so the homophones enkel and ankle must be etymologically related, right? No. Ankles and grandchildren are as related as uncles and ankles. It's an easy trap. And it becomes very unlikely when you try and link words from incredibly disparate language groups. Uralic language has more in common with Chinese than it does with anything geographically close to it in a modern sense. The proposed etymology is especially silly because Lake Hallstatt, the universally agreed upon birthplace of what we call Celtic culture, is EAST of where the Xiongnu/Magyar/Hunn/Hungarians came from. By the way, the "çeltics" are a basketball team and not the subject of this video. C can sound like K or S because modern English is a mess of a Saxon language which has been buggered by Norman-French and Latin over the past 1,000+ years. Sadly modern English lacks all the clever accent and diacritical marks other languages have to aid in pronunciation because the Saxons and their progeny were next to illiterate.

  • @kevinrwhooley9439
    @kevinrwhooley9439 Рік тому +17

    I was taking a zoom lecture for archaeology in University College Dublin when the lecturer claimed that the Celts never existed. That was the day i discovered Celtoscepticism, or as i like to call it, Celto-denialism.
    His argument was that they never referred to themselves as Celts, and that they were never united. I argued that if those were the reasons to denie their existence, then you have to deny the existence of other language families and culture groups like Bantu, Polynesian, Micronesia, Melanesian, Mayans, Turkmen, and many others if you have to apply that logic to the Celts.
    Instead of coming up with a good argument, he just went on about how culture and ethnicity has caused some of the worlds greatest atrocities (i would argue religion has done just as much). Seems like he's putting an agenda before facts and logic.

    • @ooblah10
      @ooblah10 Рік тому

      Unfortunately in western culture, Universities are riddled with ideological agendas

    • @nickaschenbecker9882
      @nickaschenbecker9882 Рік тому +1

      A lot of people never called themselves a lot of things. In my comment above, I mention the Phoenicians as an example. Another good one is the so-called Alemanni. No Suebi ever called his or herself that. It's a Roman confection, purely. No kid in the 80s ever referred to himself as a punk and only poseurs in the 90s called themselves goth. So I get where the line of thinking comes from. But all of these things existed in one sense or another despite the arguably objectionable nomenclature. Now, was something like 2/3 to 3/4 of Eurasia objectively "Celtic" at one point in time circa 275 BC? I think there's some shoehorning and oversimplifying taking place.

    • @jboss1073
      @jboss1073 11 місяців тому

      Wait a second. Celtoscepticism is not saying "the Celts never existed" - whoever said that is not a careful reader.
      Celtoscepticism is saying "the Celts never existed in Britain nor in Ireland".
      Which is correct and the reason why Patrick Sims-Williams is the current President of the International Congress for Celtic Studies which regulates all academic Celtic Studies programs around the world - and he is a Celtosceptic who says Britains are only Celtic "in a modern sense, disconnected from the Ancient Celts". He says the descendants of the Ancient Celts are today's Iberian and French people.
      All of that is correct and there have been no evidence found to this day to properly connect the name of the Celts to Britain nor to Ireland.

  • @huwzebediahthomas9193
    @huwzebediahthomas9193 Рік тому +15

    It's a culture more than a single people.

    • @noahtylerpritchett2682
      @noahtylerpritchett2682 Рік тому +2

      That term can be applied to all peoples.
      Different nationalities can be the same people bound by culture with a culture.
      Such as the label of Arabs

    • @huwzebediahthomas9193
      @huwzebediahthomas9193 Рік тому +1

      @@noahtylerpritchett2682
      Yes, exactly the same.

  • @uptown_rider8078
    @uptown_rider8078 Рік тому +9

    This was a well constructed and informative video. The Celtic cultures of Europe are very diverse and beautiful

  • @facoulac
    @facoulac Рік тому +4

    nice explanation. celtic history is so underrated

  • @MasterPoucksBestMan
    @MasterPoucksBestMan Рік тому +3

    Then you realize that in Latin, the letters G and C were the same because originally the Romans didn't distinguish between the two sounds. Then you realize that the *Galatai (a Celtic tribe) were also calling themselves "Celts" in their own language, and likewise those who named their land *Galicia, and those who name their ancestors *Gaels. In other words, not only did they call themselves "Celts" in the past, but some of them never STOPPED calling themselves "Celts" either.

  • @noahtylerpritchett2682
    @noahtylerpritchett2682 Рік тому +5

    Celt is suggested by fortress of lugh youtube channel, that the word Celt means from Kelatos the good warrior or striker. Denoting a profession by speakers of the Hallstatt and La Tene culture we now call the Celts.
    Which is what I personally support

    • @irishrebel374
      @irishrebel374 Рік тому

      😂fortress 9f lugh is a spanner

    • @noahtylerpritchett2682
      @noahtylerpritchett2682 Рік тому +1

      @@irishrebel374 spanner means nothing to me. It's a new word I never heard of.

    • @jboss1073
      @jboss1073 11 місяців тому

      Noah my friend why are you still attached to "Celts = Hallstatt and La Tene"? Let it go... Patrick Sims-Williams published "An Alternative to Celtic from the East and Celtic from the West" showing that "Celts = Hallstatt and La Tene" is not true. It's time to let it go, buddy.

    • @noahtylerpritchett2682
      @noahtylerpritchett2682 11 місяців тому +1

      @@jboss1073 that is also outdated. There is no celt from the west or the east. But Celt from the center

    • @jboss1073
      @jboss1073 11 місяців тому

      @@noahtylerpritchett2682 No, there's not. There are no emic, endonymic occurences of the name "Celt" in "the center". That is just a weak and failed attempt by Sims-Williams to offer an alternative theory. There's no substance to it.
      Please always remember: the only evidence of self-identified Celts as per tombstones and pottery and votive altars, are located in western Iberia and southern France.
      Anything else is just word-play by wannabe Celts.

  • @jimferry6539
    @jimferry6539 Рік тому +5

    Oh this just gave me an idea for one of those question/poll things UA-camrs are doing, you could make one asking something like “if you lived in Celtic Britain what tribe would you be” or something lol just abit of fun, I just realised from where I live I would be brigantes

    • @hardywatkins7737
      @hardywatkins7737 Рік тому

      Dumnonii or Cornovii

    • @hardywatkins7737
      @hardywatkins7737 Рік тому

      I'm from south Devon and i have a few ancestors, around 350ce who most likely actually were Dumnonii or Cornovii. Cornish kings they were, all with Britonic sounding names and the most ancient ancestors our family is able to trace. My ancestry isn't all Celtic however, there's bits from all over Britain and northwestern Europe. Mostly Welsh dna though, some anglo saxon, and a bit of Irish, Scots and Norwegian.

  • @Veriox22
    @Veriox22 Рік тому +3

    very insightful video!

  • @brettrichards2972
    @brettrichards2972 Рік тому +1

    And by the way there's an earlier mention of the Celts in history when fosi and Greeks sailed to the West Coast of Spain the kingdom of tartestos that is the first mention of the Celts in Greek annuls that we have

  • @Alasdair37448
    @Alasdair37448 Рік тому +1

    Best explanation I've heard yet I think you nailed it.

  • @dogsrulebest
    @dogsrulebest Рік тому +4

    Celtic covers a number of different countries. Ireland, Scotland, parts of France.

  • @hardywatkins7737
    @hardywatkins7737 Рік тому +1

    Great topic, and one i care about.

  • @3Mfarm
    @3Mfarm Рік тому +1

    excellent discussion

  • @frankkelleher8301
    @frankkelleher8301 Рік тому +5

    Very interesting, but what always puzzles me is how different the Goidelic and Brythonic languages are. Hard to see how for example, the Welsh and Irish can have the same origins. Maybe genetics can help or can origins be traced back using the languages?

    • @stella8726
      @stella8726 Рік тому

      I have masses of Welsh ancestors going back to the 1100’s and none of them are Irish, or connected to Ireland. I think the Irish and Scottish are closely related, the languages are very similar.

    • @frankkelleher8301
      @frankkelleher8301 Рік тому +1

      @stella8726 yes. Irish, Scottish and the Isle of Man are very similar, but completely different to Welsh, Cornish and Breton which I believe are quite similar to each other.

    • @Jamestele1
      @Jamestele1 Рік тому +1

      Q and P Celtic are not that different if you actually know the languages. Much of Wales had Irish settlers, before surnames. In a nutshell the Welsh word for son if Mab and the Gaelic word Mac. Not sure how that is so confusing. There are tons of similarities, but that is an obvious example

    • @frankkelleher8301
      @frankkelleher8301 Рік тому

      @Jamestele1 I'm sure you are right and I'm only familiar with Irish, but Goidelic and Brythonic languages are regarded as being in different language subgroups. So must have split at some point in the distant past. I'm interested in the geographic location of the tribes that spoke these languages before moving to Ireland and Wales.

    • @hardywatkins7737
      @hardywatkins7737 Рік тому

      The Welsh and Irish don't have the same origins but the language they spoke and speak today most likely did.

  • @mihaiilie8808
    @mihaiilie8808 4 місяці тому

    The celts are not just some. Small tribes. Celtic means thracian coulture.
    Every river and mountain of europe has a celtic name.
    You are spot on with this one about the vine coulture.
    The oldest celt God is Dyonissus also known as Bachus.
    Celts come from Bulgaria and Romania and Turkey.
    The romans are celts themselves and they knew it.
    The etruscans are celts so did the trojans from Turkey that founded Rome. They spoke vulgar latin.

  • @SantaFe19484
    @SantaFe19484 11 місяців тому

    I am an American of English, German, and Scotch-Irish ancestry, so I must have a lot of Celtic blood in me.

  • @LegendoftheGalacticHero
    @LegendoftheGalacticHero 3 місяці тому

    Would love to hear more of the Celts from the old Gallaecia kingdom EDIT: Nevermind,found it!

  • @Dominic-mm6yf
    @Dominic-mm6yf Рік тому

    From my research the Celtic culture developed side by side with the early Latins which explains the linguistic similarities. I have no idea what Gaels and Cymric folk called themselves.Our culture started out about 1300 BC in Central Europe as far as I can tell.

  • @stella8726
    @stella8726 Рік тому +2

    That’s deffo me, the hermit in the cave Lmao 😆
    That’s not what I expected Ste, much more widespread in Europe than what I thought.
    What confuses me is the Scottish Stewart’s, who were originally from Brittany, yet latterly spoke Scottish Gaelic, not Brythonic 🙃
    Bloody Romans!!!!!

  • @papayariser
    @papayariser Рік тому +1

    Recommended reading is The History of the Celts by Henri Hubert.. It is translated from French and is more of history of western European celts focusing on France and Britain . He does not really get the central European salt Salzburg seltic connection but few know about it unless they visit the Kelten Museum and Halstatt and work it oot for themselves.

  • @ilfurlano1228
    @ilfurlano1228 Рік тому +4

    who were they? My Ancestors!

  • @TheEggmaniac
    @TheEggmaniac Рік тому +7

    How Celtic are the Celtic Nations today. Many academics have shown the people of Ireland, Scotland and Wales are not closely related to the Celts who came rom Central Europe. Infact there is no evidence that the Irish, Scottish or Welsh people of the past, ever described themselves as Celts. This idea only came about in the 19th Century revival. When historians decided they should be classified as Celts. Obviously the people of these Nations, spoke a Celtic language. So they must have been heavily influenced by the Celts from the European mainland. Possibly a cultural take over, occurred sometime in first millennium BCE. An incoming cultural elite brought new technology with them and became the ruling classes in these Nations. Which would of included the whole of Britain at the time. There is no evidence of a great invasion by Celts from the continent. DNA analysis shows the people of Ireland Scotland and Wales to be more related to the previous migrants who moved up from Iberia, centuries before.

    • @ladyraven3418
      @ladyraven3418 Рік тому +1

      Celt/Celtic works well as a colloquial term, as it's the best we got. I've got strong Irish and Scottish roots, so I sum up my ancestry as Celtic and Sicilian. (Mostly Celtic, especially regarding my pale complexion) It simplifies it, even if it's debatable in its accuracy. I realize that the sources we use are to be taken with a whole shaker of salt, but it's the best we have for now. 🤷‍♀

    • @hardywatkins7737
      @hardywatkins7737 Рік тому +1

      What makes you say that the modern Celtic languages in the British Isles originated in the British Isles?

    • @hardywatkins7737
      @hardywatkins7737 Рік тому

      @@damionkeeling3103 Yes i think i agree with your thoughts generally. I think the Dal Raida takeover was more political than through warfare, .. i don't know much about it but Keneth MacAlpin is an ancestor of mine.

    • @damionkeeling3103
      @damionkeeling3103 Рік тому

      @@hardywatkins7737 It's possible that Dal Riada began as a 'Pictish'/Cruithne kingdom which later became Gaelicised. Without knowing why Ireland had a q-Celtic language and Britain was p-Celtic this mystery will likely not be resolved.
      I assume you know the term Siol Alpin.

    • @TheEggmaniac
      @TheEggmaniac Рік тому +1

      @@damionkeeling3103 I didnt say the British Celtic speaking population came from Iberia. DNA analysis shows that people from Ireland, Scotland and Wales are largely related to earlier migrations of people from Iberia, possibly up through northern France. There is a large amount of Beaker people DNA in there. They were part of an earlier migration into Britain and Ireland. The populations in these islands are not related to the Celts who originated in Central Europe. The Celtic culture came to Britain and Ireland after 1000 BCE. But it didnt change the DNA of the inhabitants of these islands very much. I refer you to Professor Daniel Bradley's, Trinity College, Dublin, research on this from 2016, updated 2022.

  • @draoi99
    @draoi99 Рік тому +1

    Brennus was one of our greatest leaders. 💪

  • @carausiuscaesar5672
    @carausiuscaesar5672 Рік тому +1

    As with the movement in woke Academe that claims Anglo Saxons never existed maybe soon they will announce Celts also never existed.Already a new movie about King Arthur will portray fair Guinevere and Merlin as black.Query:will this mean Scotland never existed if there were never any Celts in the first place like the Anglo Saxons?

  • @papayariser
    @papayariser Рік тому +1

    Let me wrap this up in another salty etymological layer for you.. If you go to the Kelten Museum (where the oldest known clearly Celtic archaeological finds are) in Halstatt near Salzburg in Austria, you will find that the Celts were salt miners hence Salzburg and Celtic pronounced Seltic ie sel, salt etc.. And that Keller refers to the underground place where food is kept in salt ie cellar. Also salary as miners paid in salt. It is an inspiring bicycle ride from Salzburg to Halstatt and indeed the whole Danube path all the way thru 5 different countries.
    Hal in Halstatt also refers to salt as in halide crystal and hall derives from that meaning a big (crystal) clear room.

    • @hardywatkins7737
      @hardywatkins7737 Рік тому +1

      Very good. Didn't know this.

    • @papayariser
      @papayariser Рік тому

      @@damionkeeling3103 Sel is also Kel (and also Hal) ie kellar is a cellar in German. Hence Keltic and the Kelten Museum at Halstatt. So, many pronunciations evolved from the salt mining, trading and food preservation industries of these kelts/selts.. Papyrus records of enemies reported third hand are no match for being at the original celtic archaeological site and seeing the salty culture. Some impressive metal objects like helmets are on display but wooden instruments are not. So, the music of the selts/kelts is represented as Irish at the Kelten Museum for lack of other known sources. There are extensive impressive musical instrument museums in Salzburg from later eras . So, those hills are alive with the sound of music to this day just like the movie .

    • @hardywatkins7737
      @hardywatkins7737 Рік тому

      @@damionkeeling3103 No saying 'seltic; is just when refering to the football team. I almost never hear people say 'seltic' when refering to the Celts.

    • @damionkeeling3103
      @damionkeeling3103 Рік тому +1

      @@hardywatkins7737 'Seltic' was common until the later 20th century. I'm not sure when the change took place but 'Keltic' had become the norm in the 1990s. The pronunciation was based on changes in how Latin based words were pronounced during the middle ages. Caesar, Cicero, ceiling, celsius all have s sounding 'c's when originally they were k sounding. In a similar way the word church evolved from cirice whose original pronunciation is preserved in the Scottish kirk.
      The Boston Celtics and Celtic FC were named when the s sound was the norm. Celtic FC was originally formed by Irish immigrants in Glasgow. Similarly the New York Celtics were formed around 1914 from Irish living in Chelsea, Manhattan. The New York Celtics provided the inspiration for the later Boston Celtics who drew initially from the large Irish community in Boston.
      As an aside, Boudica (boo dih ka) was still commonly referred to as Boadicea (bow da see ah) in the 90s. Boadicea is considered correct spelling by youtube but Boudica is not so some old things still remain.

    • @hardywatkins7737
      @hardywatkins7737 Рік тому

      @@damionkeeling3103 Yes i seem to remember more people calling Celts 'Selts' and Boo-dih-ka, 'Bow-da-see-ya' when i was young. You're right i think.

  • @Padoinky
    @Padoinky Рік тому +1

    To Americans, it’s the Boston MA NBA team

  • @MiloManning05
    @MiloManning05 Рік тому +4

    A magic bag

  • @iainmc9859
    @iainmc9859 Рік тому +3

    What's your first source in a 'Celtic' language describing their language/kingdom/culture as being Celtic?
    As much as I call myself a Celt, and am proud of it, the only literary sources in the Ancient period are not written by native Celtic speakers. By the time we are in the Dark Ages (post Romans buggering off, pre-unified Kingdom of Scotland) people writing in Celtic languages are describing themselves or their neighbours as being Erse, Scots, Dalriadans, Picts, Cymric, British, Kernow or Sasunn
    Relying on secondary sources (Greek and Roman) for what Celtic speaking people called themselves is hanging your cultural coat on a shoogly peg.

    • @damionkeeling3103
      @damionkeeling3103 Рік тому

      There are a couple of examples of native use of the term. Vercingetorix's father is called Celtillos. There is the mixed people of the Celtiberians in central Spain. The Celtici tribe in western Spain and Portugal. Caesar states that the Gauls call themselves Celtae and the Romans include this in the early partition of Gaul with the province of Gallia Celtica. Hecataeus of Miletus refers to the city of Narbon as being Celtic. He also refers to the inhabitants of the city as 'Narbonians' and states that the lands surrounding the city are the country of the Celts. It's quite clear he's saying the city has it's own identity but is part of a wider identity which is Celtic. Herodotus says pretty much the same thing when he talks about the city of Pyrene in the land of the Celts.
      It's quite clear that there were people in ancient times calling themselves Celts. These don't include the Britons or apparently the Belgae. Which begs the question what a Celt is because from our modern perspective the Celts, Britons and Belgae had pretty much the same language, religion and culture and interacted with each other fairly closely. There was even similar coinage within all these groups with common designs.
      The modern idea is simply to group Celtic speaking peoples together like we do with the ancient Greeks.
      If you look at the example of modern Celtic languages which all originate in the British Isles, a region that from antiquity had a strong association with the Brittonic people, the only group out of the six that refers to this Brittonic link are the ones in Brittany in France. None of the five in the British Isles use the term Briton for themselves and the Irish even take offense at the name British Isles.
      You can't use the modern Celtic speaking groups as proof for whether the term Celt ever had meaning in the British Isles when more known terms like Briton have been dropped, the original name for Britain has been dropped other than surviving in the Gaelic name for Scotland - Alba (Albion). The current name of the island, [Great] Britain owes to Roman usage.

    • @iainmc9859
      @iainmc9859 Рік тому +1

      @@damionkeeling3103 I think you make my point exactly.
      Outside sources (Greek/Roman) may refer to those that live north west of the 'Civilised' world as being Celtic, rather like the developed world labelled people as 'Eskimo' who lived in the north of the American continent. Its not the term they used for themselves, neither is the term 'Inuit' an acceptable cultural/civilisational term to the people themselves, who view themselves as being smaller distinct units.
      The name of Vercingetorix's father is neither here nor there. Its the name of an individual through the rather murky lens of Julius Caesar.
      I am not doubting that people north west of the Greek/Roman world had overlaps of art, language, religion, hierarchy etc. That's not my point at all. I'm not even doubting that Celtic may be a convenient nomenclature for that civilisation at the present time, either in Britain or mainland Europe. My point is was this a name given by outsiders to that whole civilisation.
      The question remains - at what point through a written Celtic language do a diverse culture/civilisation start to call themselves Celtic (Source & Date).

    • @jboss1073
      @jboss1073 11 місяців тому

      @@iainmc9859 The only people who called themselves Celts are western Iberians and southern French, as per tombstone and pottery evidence.

    • @iainmc9859
      @iainmc9859 11 місяців тому

      Sorry J Boss, you're wrong. Plenty of people call themselves Celts, either by nationality, language, perceived ethnicity or DNA analysis. The question I pose is when an individual or group of people self-define as 'Celtic' and then leave documentary or physical evidence behind. Specifically I question the accuracy of ancient Greco-Latin sources as defining other cultures as Celtic.
      I have no doubt that what we call Celto-Iberians as falling into this 'other' category and not being Greco-Latins, although that is date subjective as the south of France was a Greco-Latin colony pretty early on. This is of course also ignoring the Phoenician and Carthaginian influence on Iberia as well.

    • @jboss1073
      @jboss1073 11 місяців тому

      ​@@iainmc9859 I said:
      "The only people who called themselves Celts are western Iberians and southern French, as per tombstone and pottery evidence."
      You said:
      "Sorry J Boss, you're wrong."
      But let's examine your arguments:
      "Plenty of people call themselves Celts, either by nationality, language, perceived ethnicity or DNA analysis. "
      I didn't say anything about "call", I said "called". By that I meant in classical history, before Medieval times. British and Irish people only started calling themselves Celts in the 19th century with the Romanticist movement. This movement was rooted in Biblical fanaticism and has no bearing on any scientific reality. The Celtic ancestry of British and Irish people was completely made-up on the flimsy grounds of a linguistic connection which today even linguists no longer defend - the number one textbook on Celtic Languages admit that the Insular languages are too different from the Continental Celtic languages and should hence the Insular Languages should not be called "Celtic", thereby getting rid of the last justification for the Irish and British to get confused as being Celts.
      The only people who called themselves Celts by endonym were western Iberians and southern French. This reality can only be changed by further archaeological research, but so far this is it. No pottery with the name "Celt" has been found outside western Iberia and southern France. And both Strabo and Siculus corrected Caesar's characterization of Celts in Gauls to say that actually the Augustan division of Gaul was correct, which assigned Gallia Celtica as a name to Gallia Narbonensis, not Gallia Lugdunensis as Caesar had incorrectly done.
      "The question I pose is when an individual or group of people self-define as 'Celtic' and then leave documentary or physical evidence behind. "
      The only people who called themselves Celts by endonym were western Iberians and southern French. That is the evidence of self-definition that the Celts left behind. Everyone else was called by other names. It just so happened that the Greeks chose the westernmost peoples, the Celts, in western Iberia and southern France, to generalize the name to all other western peoples as a literary shorthand. However many times they did discern exactly what they meant by Celts and Galatians and then they always said Celts were only in southern France in Gaul, not in northern France, and in Iberia they were "past the Pillars of Hercules" meaning westward of the Strait of Gibraltar meaning western Iberia.
      "Specifically I question the accuracy of ancient Greco-Latin sources as defining other cultures as Celtic."
      We do not need to believe them, however the corrections of Strabo and Siculus fit perfectly with the endonymic, emic evidence of tombstones, votive altars and personal pottery items all bearing the name "Celt" only found in western Iberia and southern France. That evidence does not come from Greco-Romans, it comes directly from Celtic-speaking tribes who specifically called themselves Celts by personal name and tribal name.
      "I have no doubt that what we call Celto-Iberians as falling into this 'other' category and not being Greco-Latins, although that is date subjective as the south of France was a Greco-Latin colony pretty early on. "
      If you think that when talking about Celts in Iberia I am talking about Celto-Iberians this only shows your ignorance, unfortunately. Celtiberians or Celto-Iberians were the northeastern Celts in Iberia. They were called Celtiberians by the Greeks, not Celts. The people the Greeks called Celts in Iberia were in western Iberia, modern Portugal and Galicia. This confirms the native evidence of self-identification of those Celts in personal names in their tombstones and personal pottery items in the area of western Iberia. Hence those people were the Celts because we find their own material where they wrote their own names and they wrote "Celti" as their last name and as their tribal name. So we're not talking about Celtiberians, we're talking about the Celts in western Iberia who were never called Celtiberians but only ever Celts both by themselves and by Greco-Romans.

  • @hardywatkins7737
    @hardywatkins7737 Рік тому

    Tolkien, with his 'magic bag' i think is meaning that for many, 'Celtic' means what you want it to mean. It's somewhat unknown and ambiguous, and kind of ripe for projecting all manner of ideas on to.

    • @jboss1073
      @jboss1073 11 місяців тому

      It is actually not unknown and ambiguous at all, only to lazy British academics perhaps.

    • @hardywatkins7737
      @hardywatkins7737 11 місяців тому

      @@jboss1073 Ok, if it's an objective, singular and unambiguous meaning, then tell me ... What is the de facto meaning of Tolkien's 'Magic bag'?

    • @jboss1073
      @jboss1073 11 місяців тому

      ​@@hardywatkins7737 When Tolkien wrote that, the whole world was still under the modern impression that the Victorian, Romanticist, Biblicist approach to English ancestry, which was what originally tied "Celts" into the recent history of Britain and Ireland, was correct. Hence they traced from Japheth to "Celts" to Britons to the English. It was complete pseudo-science and even Fintan O'Toole who is the Literary Editor of The Irish Times has long ago written an article declaring to the four winds that "The Irish are not Celts" and that it was all a mistake.
      Tolkien shouldn't be talking about "Celtic" in the first place because the word "Celtic" in history was never used to refer to anything in Britain and Ireland until academic linguists in 1707 started a Romanticist trend - and even then, George Buchanan the person who coined "Celtic languages" in 1582 said that phrase only makes sense if his theory that the Gaelic languages came from the Celtici from Spain is proven correct; in other words he spelled it out that "Celtic languages are only Celtic because we assume they came from Spain with the Celtici". Hence it is complete ignorance to call modern-day Celtic speakers "Celts" when George Buchanan himself the person who coined that phrase "Celtic languages" said literally "the Celts are in Spain as we all know and because we assume Gaelic came from there we may call Gaelic a Celtic language". It doesn't get any clearer than that - he never ever meant to attribute the name "Celts" to the Irish and British. If Tolkien knew a bit more about how "Celtic languages" as a phrase was coined and in general the entire Romanticist origin of "Celtic" in Britain he would not have said anything about "Celtic", which in actual reality is a name that historically was used to refer properly only to western Iberians and southern French, and admittedly as a general qualifier according to Strabo by all Greeks and Romans to refer to all people northwestern of the Greco-Romans.

  • @lewjames6688
    @lewjames6688 Рік тому

    I have many many friends who have learned English as a second language. To them, "Celtic" means you belong to an ethnic group which speaks an almost completely undecipherable dialect of English; those who must be asked to repeat each sentence multiple times, even such common phrases as "the bathroom is downstairs". LOL

  • @brianmacc1934
    @brianmacc1934 Рік тому

    "Celtic " comes from an old term meaning to hide , i think some called to themselves as hidden people , re. their culture etc

  • @robertmaceanruig6291
    @robertmaceanruig6291 Рік тому +1

    OAP Here,, this old Man has A Kilt going back Many Many Years .. and been with Me over this Earth Before you was Born.. Clan…. 7:28

  • @usmarine4636
    @usmarine4636 6 місяців тому +1

    The names "Callaici" and "Calle" are the origin of today's Gaia, Galicia, and the "Gal" root in "Portugal", among many other placenames in the region.
    As well Caledonia and in French the Pass of Calais.
    In Spanish the word is related to the words calle (Street of rocks) or "calar" penetrate with a hard object. Or cayo or callus.
    Something hard in the feet.
    Cale = hard.
    People tha live close to the Megalithic areas.
    The hard warriors.
    The lived close rhe river Douro, duro ( hard in spanish).
    The strong warriors

  • @talismanskulls2857
    @talismanskulls2857 Рік тому

    Kelt was a name given to describe the tunic like shirt which is where the word Kilt originates . The context was "Tucked Shirts.". Its just like the nonsense romanticized claimed about Saxons. Its Latin Sax meaning stone and as Saxon means Stones and as nothing to do with a sword or dagger. Its also like the fiction of a so called ancestor of the Saxon Saxnot. Sax + nota, which is latin for Note. It probably implied people who carved symbols and memorials in stone. Same as English coming from Latin angle meaning point and has nothing to do with a fish hook.

  • @Helliconia54
    @Helliconia54 Рік тому

    Then WHY do Scots mispronounce celt by saying selt?

  • @Arhii
    @Arhii Рік тому

    Calevat = 》Celtoi . Oldest Native Europe culture 40000 years : Finnic culture , Carelia, Kaleva, Kalevan pojat, Calevat

  • @brettrichards2972
    @brettrichards2972 11 місяців тому

    There's a man I think it's time we started calling a duck a duck. All of this dissemination about what it means to be a celt borders on the Ludacris. It is championed by a concentrated agenda to disseminate not only not only national but ethnic identities I mean the entire understanding that there is no genetic kelp is just ridiculous You're telling me that a culture that puts so much importance on the clan the bloodline genealogies had no relation to each other it just magically spread like a fad or a trend. The last time they had what was referred to as the Gaelic revival or Renaissance Ireland became a free country now the next time you have a huge cultural event within the Celtic diaspora was braveheart And look at what that did you know inspired you guys to try to vote to be free. The ideas and virtues of the West that we consider to be noble and good come to us from King Arthur and they came to him from the ancient druids and everything that makes our culture so wonderful and we are letting them destroy it with a bunch of academic p**** footing

  • @chrisnewbury3793
    @chrisnewbury3793 Рік тому

    "The Oera Linda"

  • @briankaz8786
    @briankaz8786 Рік тому +1

    I don’t know what Celtic means, but I know they are Israelites. Caesar conquered three stars in the crown of the woman in heaven. The Romans also pierced the Messiah, and conquered Jerusalem.
    Read Revelation, “If any one has an ear, let him hear:
    If any one is to be taken captive, to captivity he goes;
    if any one slays with the sword, with the sword must he be slain.
    Wake up, we live in the Roman kingdom, western nations, and God has raised an army in the East for His great and terrible day.

    • @PatrickFitzgerald88
      @PatrickFitzgerald88 Рік тому

      Are you black?

    • @ilfurlano1228
      @ilfurlano1228 Рік тому +5

      no.

    • @noahtylerpritchett2682
      @noahtylerpritchett2682 Рік тому

      Fuck Israel. We're not israelites.
      Symbolically fuck David.

    • @briankaz8786
      @briankaz8786 Рік тому

      @@ilfurlano1228 Yes, I guarantee what I’ve said is true. As I stated, Julius Caesar conquered three of the ten tribes in Gaul from 58-50 BC, just before the Messiah. The tribes of Judah and Benjamin were the Khazars. Today they are in Ukraine and Russia, and this is the end of the age. At the beginning of the book of Revelation, you will see in Christian bibles, the seven churches, but they were not churches. They were seven large settlements in Western Asia Minor (Turkey) that left the land before the siege of Jerusalem, in 70, and the 3.5 years that followed. The seven settlements are the remnant of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. These people were light skin, light hair and light eyed people. Their brothers are throughout Europe. The Khazars migrated from Turkey, and became horse archers fighting the Arabs through the Caucuses, and settled in Europe. The Revelation was written to them, warning them of the Western Roman kingdom, with the western Roman religion.
      All these people claiming to be Israelites are frauds. The war getting ready to happen will destroy the whole western kingdom. The US will be utterly burned with fire, and Britain will go under a tsunami of radiated water. Five months later, the European armies will be destroyed, and the nations burned. Those in Israel today are the enemies of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin who were killed by the Romans. Romans were black hair, brown eyed and aquiline nose people. The people in the land today are Romans. The land of Israel today is also western Roman kingdom. The Messiah is returning to destroy those who pierced him.
      The Roman is a fornicating whore: “come out of her my people.”

    • @PatrickFitzgerald88
      @PatrickFitzgerald88 Рік тому +1

      @@briankaz8786 Dude you're not even European. By the way the Khazars aren't Caucasoids they're Turkic-Mongols.

  • @irishrebel374
    @irishrebel374 Рік тому

    Lolololol we pray to Crom & Cora. We follow astrology. And still follow alignment with new grange. Lolol. Interlopers.

    • @hardywatkins7737
      @hardywatkins7737 Рік тому

      Perhaps you could enlighten us oh proud one, as to who Crom and Cora are? Google seems to have not heard of them? And niether have i. And what does 'alignment with Newgrange' mean exactly?

    • @hardywatkins7737
      @hardywatkins7737 Рік тому

      @@damionkeeling3103 I thought the name 'Crom' sounded familiar! 😂