When Did Games Stop Being Fun?
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2024
- It seems that as time passes games become less and less enjoyable, but who is the one to blame for this, the player or the developer?
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Before the video starts I want to say:
Games stopped being fun when the devs started focusing on graphics over gameplay and storyline
+redfoxbennaton no,I'm a gameplay-driven gamer,I care more about gameplay than story and graphics/fps
and selling you DLC that should already be in the game to begin with
+TheDestroyer73 I agree with that,and the pay to win misrepresentations need to stop,you need to EARN the good in game stuff instead of buying them with your real money,I hate it because in Halo 5, Clash of Clans and Roblox players can do 'better' than me because they bought the good stuff instead of earning it
You guys need to get Yakuza 0 coming this tuesday on ps4 it focuses on both story and gameplay and it's got tons of sidecontent and minigames and it has gotten amazing reviews
FalconGamer58 //FG58 so true
I think consumers play a larger role than you might think. So many people have been inundated with this idea that they actually have to buy every release of COD or Halo. When I talk to these people I almost I never hear how satisfied they were with the last entry, only how stoked they are for a new one. I think brand loyalty has a lot to do with it. I mean Assassin's Creed hasn't been good for ages, and yet they push huge numbers without issue. I think the market needs to shake this idea that you have to support your favorite series until the end of time. People need to stop being loyal to brands, and start being loyal to quality and effort.
+Avalanche Reviews I for one knew that after the first two Mario RPGs games on the 3DS that I would not be buying them anymore despite my love for the series prior. I'll always have the older games that I love and I'd love to buy another one from Nintendo if they turn out great in the future but it just doesn't look like that'll happen any time soon.
+Avalanche Reviews What so bad about Brand Loyalty? If a company keep making good games depending of your interest of course you will keep buying the games they make, hell I bet you do that too.
The keyword there is "good." It's not the concept of brand loyalty itself that's bad, it's the market's over-dependence on said concept that can often be bad (and how often the public buys into it).
expcake I can understand. But at the same time, if someone like a product you can't really just stop it there like nothing.
by "in ages" you mean "never" or "never including prince of persia 4+" or "never since (including) prince of persia 2 including all tomb raider sequels"?
Im so sickk of open world games and games that are marketed as having a huge world with so many things to do... Hearing that sounded awesome back in the day.. But now It's just meaningless.. So many games just cram the map with collectables and bullshit copy-pasted side missions, making them NOT fun to play at all.. Instead they feel like a chore.. And it shouldn't be like that..
HOW THEY GONNA SQUEEZE OUT MORE HOURS
Not only aren't the open worlds dense enough, but they're not actually that big anyway. The scale of the mountains is made to make them look bigger than they really are. Even though they may seem to be a chore to climb in game, think about a real mountain in the Alps, Andes, Himalaya, ect. It can take anywhere from the entire day, to many days of climbing just for one mountain. (yes I know the expeditions can take a month but that is a lot of time sitting around acclimating and doing things other than actually climbing) In games like Skyrim and BOTW you go up the height of one tree and it goes from warm and green to an arctic climate lol. (it takes many thousands of feet to do that)
If you scaled a big mountain in real life into that "huge" open world map, scaled to Link size......somewhere in the low 5 foot range, they'd take up the entire map if not several maps. (or think of it this way......around Denver you can see the mountains and they look like they are right there........but you have to drive like an hour at 65 miles an hour to reach many of them......how long would it take to WALK from Denver to the actual 13,000-14,000+' peaks? surely way more time than it takes Link to walk across the whole map lol)
Nabillio96 maybe they are trying to get the kids ready for the real world life is about chores not living in final fantasy xiii....O and calls if duty was
Assassin's Creed Syndicate is like this. The game feels like such a chore to play!
@DigitalHaze65536 Have you played Just Cause 2 or 3? THOSE games get mountain scale correctly, hell one of the many ISLANDS is bigger than the entire map of GTA V. It literally would take hours to walk across the maps in Just cause 2 and Just Cause 3. Beautiful scenery as well
When it stopped being a "Hobby" and became an "Industry." Mystery solved.
N7 Tigger that and I think playing too much can kill the fun.
N7 Tigger its been an industry for decades bro.
Definitely this too. Over exposure kind of robs gaming of its charm. My solution has been to find other hobbies so that i can come back to gaming and it feel fresh again.
Barry you make an excellent point. Moderation is key. And while you wait that certain game just keeps getting cheaper. Spendin five bucks on a bad game isn't near as bad as 60.
Nice profile pic.
It's funny, virtually all of the games I've been playing for the last year or so are either Indie games, Nintendo games, or games that came out at least 5-6 years ago. I hardly ever play recent AAA games from publishers other than Nintendo any more.
Same, I have been playing through kingdom hearts lately, I think the last time I got a new game was in July
+dimentiorules BUT DA WII U AND 3DS ARE SO BAD DEY SHOULD BE KILLED OFFF CAUSE DEY AND BAD. DEY BOD HACE N0 GAMEZ!
I have had a lot of fun with my wii u, lots of underrated games on it
+dimentiorules I've got quite a few PS4 games that I haven't even put into the system. I barely even touch the PS4 tbh. I play Mario Kart 8 a hell of a lot though. I think for me, it's because modern games just take way too long to get going, or you have to dedicate a lot of time to get anywhere in them.
+Zynt453 I'm the same way with my xbox one. I own games I haven't played and hardly play games on it while my wii u got most of the attention. What ps4 games do you own btw. I was thinking of trading my xbox in for one but so many people like yourself aren't interested in the games on it.
My problem with gaming is that I feel like have played everything already. No, I have not played every game out there, but when I play a new game I feel like I've had the same experience before or someone what similar.
MidniteBlues yes exactly!
I agree sis the same thing is happening with me
@Anthony Davis exactly
What helps me stay refreshed in gaming is trying different genres
Find better, more innovative games.
I don't even pirate shit anymore, that's just how bad it is
Hahah same, I used to download stuff left, right and center. Haven't downloaded a game torrent in over a year now. It's just an endless conveyor belt of shit.
haha same
gengiskhanbr me too bro lmao, there's no point.
you would assume pirates would just download the next AAA title when they are done with what they are currently playing. but it has become so bad that i'm not even playing free games anymore, i rather watch unscripted and sometimes scripted youtube videos than trying out a "new" game. and what's even worse is that there are so many trashy indie games on steam that you wont find the good ones unless everybody and their mom are talking about it. i miss the days where i walk into a store, just pick any game for 5 bucks and still get lots of fun out of it.
Lolz yeahhh funny how I'm only buying indie games or games that are related to a cartoon like all those adventure time games also here's a good game to pirate or buy if u like dark souls and castlevania, it's called salt and sanctuary
it stopped being fun when they stopped making spilt screen games
CoolLeek CoolLeek I'll agree on that but the last cod had offline split screen coop, so it's still there in small doses
They killed every aspect of fun
Bro you took words right out of my mouth.
Most games aren’t games anymore, they are money makers
Abe Fromen agreed game devs nowadays charge full price for a half finished game and sell the rest of the game in Dlc content. I miss the days when you could buy a game and get the full game.
Don't blame a video game company. Blame a people who plays his shit.
Well just to quit on Pay to Win games. I still Disagree because all of my games are free to play and all my goals were suceed till I realize I got everything and got nothing to do... Doing the same thing all over again
Kratos We blame gamers who are idiots and 3rd Party AAA knuckleheads.
Games have always been made for money. Game developerment has got more and more expensive. Tbh, it would just solve itself if games would cost as much as they did, because games where much more expensive back then, because of inflation
Just remember, out of 100 indie titles, it's not unlikely for there to be only 1 or 2 that are worth your time. Don't praise indie as the savior of gaming, because most of them are ripping off others and many many of them are so poorly made that you'll be lucky to get any enjoyment out of them. Then there's the 'indie' titles that are made by classic developers on a crowdsourcing budget that just outright lie to us about the final result.
I'm looking at you Mighty no. 9 and No Man's sky.
Yeah... I got into the habit of buying steam indie games when they were bundled at one of the many bundle websites, and now I have a library of ~500 games, but I realized that I am only really interested in about 15 or 20. oops.
Tessa Jalloh I do agree with you that most are crap however their are a few creative ones that bring new art style or game style but yeah most suck. I'm so fed up with same old shooters like cod I won't even buy it battlefield is starting to go to shit now battlefront and battlefield 1 were a stripped down rip off. I'm so desperate I'm finding myself browsing the $10-&20 indies and digitalis trying to find anything different and enjoyable. Still not having much luck.
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Indie Games are hurting gaming in general.
How do indie titles hurt gaming? I'm just curious and won't go loco upon response I'm genuinely curious. They seem really easy to ignore as they are never promoted..
I think the answer is not games are boring but the fact is we are getting old
im 21 got to level 50 havent played it in a week, its probably gonna get worse over time like you man, but i dont think thats a bad thing
yeah but 4 hoyrs is my norm
Thats a stupid way of seeing thing. The gaming industrie is a buisness... if you have a shit ton of consumer who feel bored is not because they are too old, it's because the market doesnt understand where the demand is and doesnt meet the consumers needs.
taha hormozan It can be both at the same time.
Fox Doe Age plays a factor I've been gaming for 20 years now started when I was 5 . In my teens year I would say that was the most fun I had while playing video games. At the age of 16 I had a job and bought an Xbox 360 elite and bought all the games I ever wanted. Fast forward now to the present I'm 25 current Gen games are redundant and nothing new and exciting. I find myself buying 1 to 2 games a year were in my teens I would buy an average of 5 games a year. Being an adult you have more priorities and less time to game.
Games stopped being fun when they started to try too hard to be realistic or cinematic.
Onur K good and fun gameplay > immersive story. You can have a game with a great story, but if the gameplay is pure shit then the whole game falls apart. But you can have a game with amazing gameplay and a mediocre story and still be fun (Like Dragon's Dogma). If all you want is a good, and immersive story, then read a book or watch a movie.
Onur is spot on, Steven seem to forgot titles like Halo, Half Life, and Morrowind, Games need both Stories AND fucking Gameplay, miss one and the game either becomes a book, or a competitive COMMERCIALIZED bullshit, even games like Doom or System Shock have CANCEROUS communities, where one want the New Prey to be more like Doom, or the other want to keep the VERY dull System shock mechanics, while the Cancelled Prey 2 is neither of these. Seriously, Steven is an IDEOLOGIST then a gamer. We have gamers that act like FUCKING MOMS nowadays that say a game HAS TO BE ONE thing only while many iconic games are made up with EVERY combine elements, even things people thought they hate.
+Onur K
Recent titles to hit the spot with respect to gameplay AND immersion include Evil Within, Witcher 3, I'd put Bloodborne and Nioh in there too.
I agree that such games are perhaps in the minority and generally eclipsed by the likes of Fifa, CoD and BattleFront - games which I ignore completely.
That said, there are great titles coming out.
Another idea, have you ever thought about replaying some of the old RPGs on a basic laptop? Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, Planescape Torment etc
Are you kidding, it's revolutionary! From so many aspects, learn to appreciate
Not everyone wants a Nintendo Dumb unrealistic game ^^
micro-transactions, paid dlc, pre-orders, and software updates/patches ruined gaming... PS+ is bullshit too
Yea I love paying for playing online while still having ads in my face when the money that "keeps the game servers running" just goes straight to the pocket of Sony.
He probably wants the game to be play tested and bug free before he's paid money for it.
Eddbox LP try gaming on PC. No paying for online?
just buy a xbox one, Xbox Live is way better than PSN, the games that give you montly is a piece of junk
why there not as fun no split screen and no offline play
They stopped being fun about the time they started shipping incomplete games that need day-zero patches. I think thats why more of the games I still find "fun" show up most often on the 3DS, where they can't do a day-zero patch.
Towerfall Ascension, Rocket League, Crawl, Blue Estate, Resident Evil 6, Resident Evil Revelations 2, Resogun, Dead Nation: Apocolypse Edition, Alienation, etc etc
Agreed
Alcatraz Gaming Rayman legends too. I learned the hard way that that was no online coop when me and my buddy got it to play from opposite sides on the country lol.
+Alcatraz Gaming get a Nintendo Switch,
Long story short, games will stop being fun, when games turn to business, and that's exactly whats happening, either by short terms or long.
They've been a business since the early eighties, dude.
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Nope, that's not what i meant, I meant to be strictly business, companies who doesn't care anymore about the series or the gamer, just interesting in the papers, like Ubisoft and AC.
Muhannad Ali Yeah. People buying dlc three months after release are the main problem these companies do the bullshit they do. Idk. I guess people like getting ripped off.
Actually, if gaming industry were really a compromised business, developers would truly care about the series and the gamer. A business is nothing without clients, if more and more clients decide to pursuit creativity and originality, businesses will start realizing what they need to do in order to keep up.
That's a good point, most gamers care about run-n-shoot more than original games, games like cod get the highest profits while one of the most unique games such as LA Noir thrown in the trash, indeed, if companies feel that the audience are more into intelligent games they would care about the quality of their product, but the majority into stupid games, so the companies treat them like herd.
I think media in general has become very serious and hard boiled. Everything has to be perfect, no one wants to be looked down. If you watch and action movie from the 90's or 80's they are way more goofy and aren't affraid of not taking themselves too seriously, as opposed to today's movies where every action movie is grey, lifeless and dull. And what's ironic is that the formula those older action movies followed was better, they were more smartly designed. If you compare FPS games from 20 years ago to the ones of today, that's exacly what happened. But it's funny that in 70's it was a little bit more like today. Just watch the Dirty Harry movies or some westerns to get the picture. So I think this could also be a cultural thing and not exclusive to games.
This also happened with Eletronic music. In the late 90's early 2000's they were way more goofy, but also more cheered up and positive, where as today's Deep House in particular just depresses me. I have no idea how people can dance to that.
Yes deep house and dub step are shit, just feels like an assault on my ear drums. It's more about getting as much bass in as possible not about making good music
I am the one who flocks I kinda enjoy some genres like Big Room, but imo some Trance classics are some of the best songs ever made. They just have so much heart and feeling put into them. They gave the impression that the artist genuinly cared, where today stuff just feels much more low effort and industrial. Like they just want to stay relevant.
You, sir, nailed it.
Focus groups, sir, focus groups. Those 80's and 90's achievements were the result of a person or group of people doing what made *them* happy. Everything we have today is a result of people or groups of people doing what their *focus groups* tell them will work. Thus, "better not offend anyone", "better not have it be too challenging" "better not make it too dark" "better have a lot of explanation" "simple graphics and icons no one likes to have read or think!" and many plethora of other 'compromises' political correctness yields us.
Online garbage is killing the game industry.
ikr, they need to start making more split screen games
Yes lets start a revolution!!! Btw I'm dead serious like video game developers need to get their shit together
Look no further than the Nintendo Switch for your gaming needs fellas. Nintendo flips the bird to online and embraces local co op. Never again play with someone you dont know. Get your Switch today! This announcement has been paid for by the Nintendo World Order..
Agreed.
Yet then what's the point of online gaming, when a lot of players are using cheat mods. All titles are going online, or open world, and checkpoints. (Checkpoints began a long time ago though.) Here's hoping Serious Sam 4 rocks; and the devs promised quicksave and quickload.
I'm 27 now and 90% of movies and games looks boring. I said 90%. Yeah, its the developer's fault. It started when companies discovered kids will buy anything they sell so they just stop caring about quality. But there are still some ppl in the market to put our hopes in.
Sociedade Nihilista 90%? I don't even wanna know how you came up with that. I mean you can't just assume it's 90%.
Lycidas wha
Lycidas tever
Shin Megami Tensei. Thats all i'm gonna say...
It's called maturity, some people reach it at young age, some at 27... Go make a business and play some life
I think games never stopped being fun...we actually matured
I think it's a bit of both to be honest. The industry is saturated with garbage but we're also spoiled for choice.
Anthony Mercado
no offense Anthony but you sound like a butthole.
you sound like someone that bought games 100% based on graphics and played just to kill time, because you apparently had nothing else to do with yourself
as many have said in these comments. the vast majority of mainstream games are style over substance, they are repetitive and lack the charisma of many classic games.
I first noticed this when call of duty began cranking out titles ad nauseum, and developers started talking about making games like movies, this translated to me that gameplay would be taking a backseat and would no longer be the nucleus of gaming and more so just a means to an end.
movies are something you watch, gaming is something you do
Anthony Mercado
no offense Anthony but you sound like a butthole.
you sound like someone that bought games 100% based on graphics and played just to kill time, because you apparently had nothing else to do with yourself
as many have said in these comments. the vast majority of mainstream games are style over substance, they are repetitive and lack the charisma of many classic games.
I first noticed this when call of duty began cranking out titles ad nauseum, and developers started talking about making games like movies, this translated to me that gameplay would be taking a backseat and would no longer be the nucleus of gaming and more so just a means to an end.
movies are something you watch, gaming is something you do.
well it is because the games are shit because it is an industry made for 11 year old weebs that, everyone went over to real games like cod *laughs* jk lol... like overwatch and csgo with some exeption to little sqweekers but that is only in low ranks
bannana live vest
get off UA-cam, go back to school and learn to write
When they became eye candy with 10% Gameplay and 90% CGI films and QTE simulators.
Like order 1886 or what ?
imma tell everybody games started to eff up ever since they started to focus on multiplayer and microtransactions really tho can we have a game that has 0% online content
yup. I like to say that because of online content, they can make an excuse that the game isn't finished yet. Before online content was a thing, developers had to bust their ass off for a game to be complete.
true
Crawl.
It only has single player and couch multiplayer.
The Evil Within.
The Witcher 3
Persona 5
Disgaea 5 (for the most part)
Yakuza 0, Kiwami, and 6
Also having online doesn't make it bad unless the online is really a requirement to enjoy the game.
No, the worst is being required to be "online" just to access the single player campaign.That said micro-transactions, Season Passes, Pre-ordering, 4-16GB Day One Patches, and "Deluxe" Editions that only give you in-game content are also what is ruining gaming.
MEDINY WAW tomb raider. Uncharted. TLOU. Didn't play the MP for it. All fantastic games.
games started to lose their entertainment value little by little with the advancement of graphics. The more realistic graphics games get, the more game creators will abandon elements that make a game a game and steer towards an interactive film. Games now have too many cutscenes and not enough gameplay. Button pressing prompts sequences are also terrible! DLC also kills games. I wish I could buy a game and say I own 100% of it. Instead games are released unfinished (buggy and sometimes unplayable) and the rest of the material comes out later through DLC.
I think you hit the nail on the head. They have to spend so much time on graphics and aesthetics that it takes away from everything else.
dark souls and bloodborne pretty much avoids all of those things
The idea that a game is an interactive film is not wrong. Since a big draw of games is to let you be the hero of the story, realistic graphics and life-simulating gameplay makes for a more immersive experience. Of course, you have a point, Innovative gameplay suffers from resources and time spent on graphics and cinematic cutscenes. Still, I may have more fun playing a simple-looking game with great gameplay, but a game with great graphics and simple gameplay is a more interesting experience.
I feel like there are not enough games with storytelling anymore especially after Destiny. I feel like there are too many Online Only and MMO games out right now.
YES!
Im sick and fucking tired of climbing _________ to reveal a portion of the map.
STOP.
I like climbing the dinosaur in Horizon Zero Dawn despite being sick of climbing _____. The point is - make it fun.
Eli Bronson Assasin's creed makes it fun
Stop mentioning it. It's stopped
This isn't the first bandwagon in the game industry. Before the open world wave, there were hordes of Pong clones, mascot platformers, and first-person shooters. AAA games become so homogenized and sterile because customers keep buying them. The customer is always right, so decreasing sales is the quickest way to wake a company up and prompt them to think up a new way to draw in consumers. Fortunately, the growing indie scene is a force that pushes creativity in the industry as a whole.
Developers focus too much on making games look like freaking movies, that's why. Most AAA games these day have no core game play and the control sucks. I'm sorry but Uncharted and The Last of Us are boring as hell, they are like interactive movies.
Yeah, i feel like the game play is there just to tell the story. There's hardly any skills to master, you just do a bit of this, a bit of that to continue with the story. It should be the other way around.
I love good stories but the gameplay need to be as good or better than it. That's why I love mgs so much. There's a lot of cutscenes, but every gameplay sequences are perfect
i agree. reason why i dont play AAA western games. yeah cuz the japanese developers are the only one that care deeply for the gameplay. take gravity rush and persona 5 for example. both games have good story and gameplay. games with good story and bad gameplay is a bad game while games with bad story and good gameplay is still a good game
They're really not...
Thang Nguyen those games are far from interactive movies. Telltale games are like interactive movies but they are awesome.
I think VG are becoming less fun because they're trying too hard to be movies.
I mean, I can really like the graphics in a game, but if graphics are the only thing holding it up, I'm playing a movie, not a game.
Jordan Grey gameplay > story > graphics
Toadmilk gameplay is story + graphics + other not important shit, so your list is wrong mate
That is why I value graphics under everything else. Good graphics is a bonus, not a key selling point in my opinion.
Games need to slow down, consider becoming more minimalistic, and focus on doing a few things rather than be big, loud, and full of everything in terms of content
I loved Mario on NES.
I loved Sonic #2 on Sega.
I was blown away by the N64: Mario, Zelda, GoldenEye
PS2 and Vice City was fun, but I felt the fun starting to go away.
PS3. Technically things were improving, but the fun was fading.
Driving around and shooting shit can't be it. If it is, we've hit a brick wall.
Very well said
Been a gamer for two decades now. I learned to take breaks. I'll wait months after a game has been released. Then binge about two at a time. Nomore than 90mins. It works for me.
I 100% agree about burnout, I bounce around genres enough that it's harder for me to lose interest. Yet it still happens after awhile.
Asgard314 ii
I played nothing but MW3 for 5 years, it was amazing buuuut yea got old after year 5 :')
Asgard314 Same here
I have played COD: black ops 2 since that game came out and I still play that shit and I hasn't gotten old at all for me and I didn't really play many other games at the time. It's already that game's 5th anniversary but I still love it. Hell, I'll even play black ops 1, which, is 7 years old now. If a game is made right and still has playability/support for it it's not really gonna get old. But now that doesn't mean I won't get COD: WW2 that just came out or play other newer games. I just play what's good not exactly what's new.
I agree...I have bought one game, sonic mania, in the last 2 years....ONE GAME. I been playing games since 1995....I feel like, my gaming days are over.
While the problem isn't as pronounced as with film and music, I'd say games suffer a similar issue. If I think back to the 90s, you had innovative, ground breaking games being made by small devs which went onto become global mainstream hits. One that always sticks out for me is the original Tomb Raider. A tiny team at Core Design in the UK have complete creative license and practically invent 3rd person action adventure games in a 3d world. That just couldn't happen now. Similarly to film and music back then, studios and record labels took risks on new ideas and backed talent. Now all entertainment media is extremely risk averse. So AAA is basically just massive dev houses churning out the same games with different skins.
This is painfully true. Video games aren't fun anymore. I thought it was my age but eventually I noticed that it was actually the goals and activities in games. Its all the same crap. Eventually, you'll play so many games that they all seem to morph into a puddle of the same redundancy just sitting there and becoming more and more stagnant.
Games stopped being fun because gamers started caring more about how manly, pretty and hardcore their games are instead of how fun they are. Stop taking games so seriously.
Same thing has happened to music.. and movies.. all new titles are recycled ideas
yep, welcome to hell
Proof that the world is ending soon lmao
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So explain Emoji Movie and Cats Movie to me!
I agree, wtf. Like I remember watching the first marvel movies and it was super fun, now marvel movies are so boooring.
What do you make that's not already made without doing the same?
The Oscars are a joke and nothing seems to get better with time.
There is even a new war going on now, like do humans ever learn?
It honestly sometimes feels like a fever dream.
I used to think: "old men who complain about everything just complain for the sake of it" -my thought
Now I understand the old man complaning.
We are just too many people on the earth, nobody agrees with eachother and it's just pure cayos.
Imagine if the earth was only allowed 40 000 000 people in each country, or only so and so people in that ammount of size. It would have fixed so much and been much easier to figure everything out.
There are over 100 Mario games, which is the very reason why I grew tired of it. They are in no way bad games, but I genuinly don't see the point of buying them anymore. If I want to play one, playing an older one is cheaper and won't drastically change my experience from the newest one and I long ago cut the emotional ties to that franchise.
On a similar matter...yeah...a lot of video games seem copy pasted nowadays, but take off the nostalgic glasses and you'll realize that the domination of "copied concepts" was present in each generation. Just that for some obvious reasons, "History" doesn't remember them and so do our brain.
But only about 15 of those are main series games. The rest are spin-offs. It's not like there are 100 platformers.
crash979797
There are far more than 15 platformers if you don't focus on the main serie. And it hardly stopped me from being fed up with it since I didn't limit myself with the "main saloon console" serie. I know what to expect from that franchise and its various "types", most of them are the same and I'm not emotionally connected to the franchise anymore, so I basically don't see the point anymore of buying them.
Yaku www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_(series)
I was saying an approximate number, but it turns out that there are _exactly_ 15 main series games.
crash979797
[insert copy past of my previous comment]
Yeah Nintendo hasn't released an inspired mainline Mario game since the first Mario Galaxy, which was almost 10 years ago. It's so frustrating to see that series go from being so fun to being the same thing over and over and over.
the gaming indistry has gone down for two reasons, 1: they rip your wallet in two. two: the consumers focus on asthetics.
Agreed, AAA fuckheads are SOOO obsessed with microtransactions, lootboxes, Season Passes, DLC, DRM and pre-order bullshit. And the asshole games care about how hardcore their games are, rather than how fun they are.
No wonder the mediocre graphics of Switch didn't become an issue for the consumers as they used the old formula, that is to make games fun.
I stopped finishing games because they felt boring after a few hours into them. Plus the micro transactions and after sales is a big turn off.
Fawad Bilgrami you sir have read my mind.
Clau007 Same here mate. I was able to get through the first Divine Beast but loved the experience. I actually classified it as one of the best game ever, even though that was my first Zelda game
I find them all boring ^^
absolutely, I played Zelda for 80h!! I can't remember when i spend that much time on a game... Mario is out and I played that for 50h by now! going for 100%.... AAA games nowadays just suck... sometimes some of them are alright but at large they suck
"I stopped finishing games because they felt boring after a few hours into them" the exact rut I am in.
Because of LoL, most games are now anti-fun eSports, instead of actual video games.
Because of Minecraft (and later DayZ), most games now intentionally have zero content.
Because of CoD, most games are now just re-releases of last year's game, with a few minor tweaks.
Because all 3 of those games hit around 2010, practically no good games have been released in the last 6+ years.
Straiz Saying there were no good games in the last 6 years is ignorant af. Do you only play Bethesda games?
If anything, FO4 was actually one of the best games in those 6 years, even if it did have a worse dialogue system than FO3.
But no, I play nearly every game that comes out. MGSV had solid core gameplay, but nothing else to it. FF15 didn't even have good gameplay, and nothing else to it, and a trolltastic loading-screen-car. Last of Us is probably the clunkiest anti-stealth game ever made, with a painfully generic story. Witcher 3 has some of the worst gameplay ever developed, all as broken as its parody horse. Roughly 10,000 DayZ clones and PvParenas have popped up, none of them have been even remotely good, including Overwatch. Mass Effect 3 was lacking in every category compared to ME2. The Arkham series went downhill after City. Assassins Creed games have become so bad and muddled that I wouldn't even qualify the latest one as an AC game.
Majority of the games in recent years, that have been considered GOTY material, would have been candidates for WorstGOTY in better times.
The only good AAA game I've played in as long as I can remember, was Uncharted 4, and its not like that was the greatest game of all time, just far better than anything else in recent years.
Straiz You had me going until you said uncharted 4 lmao...
Upgrade to PC. I don't know what gaming genre most interests you, but you'll have many great options there.
I'm actually lost how you haven't found at least a handful of good games in 6+ years.
I have a PC. The problem is that games are getting consistently worse, instead of better. Look at the top seller list on Steam, all garbage.
Just yesterday(ish?) yet another "Early Access" trash-tier DayZ/Rust/Ark clone was released, and is now the top seller, even though it has low review scores, because its an intentionally bad game.
Steam shouldn't even be allowing the sale of such products, for a number of reasons, but they give zero fucks about content or quality, as long as it fills their mansions and floats their yachts.
I'm 35 now I've been playing games since I was 5-6 yrs old. Tbh, this generation of gaming is either lackluster as hell or maybe as I'm getting older my taste in games are changing.
A lot of the games that are being made now aren't even worth $59.99 or more. You either have broken gameplay mechanics, terrible storytelling, etc., It is very little that holds my interest with gaming now.
willhustle25 Dude im 18, and yeh its frickens lack lustet as hell! No inovation and fun creativity. After ps4 came out dont know what happened or is it just me.
willhustle25 Dude im 18, and yeh its frickens lack lustet as hell! No inovation and fun creativity. After ps4 came out dont know what happened or is it just me.
RevivedSoul agreed I’m 23 and games nowadays have better graphics but aren’t as fun as older gen consoles ps1, ps2, Xbox Nintendo etc
willhustle25 The best games I've played this gen are The Witcher 3 and Rocket League. They are now probably in my top 3 games of all time, along with Skyrim. And yeah besides that, not many games have held my interest for a significant amount of time. Got bored of games like MGSV, Just Cause 3, Infamous Second Son, Star Wars Battlefront within an hour or 2.
Yeah, I've been feeling like that a lot for the last few years. Recently I've been getting urges to play some old sega games I've never completed like Ecco the dolphin, the ooze and a few other games I can't remember the names of.
If you buy a yearly release game like COD every year, or every Ubisoft open world game that comes out, and then play them for thousands of hours every year, of course you're going to get burnt out and bored with them. Games do innovate and evolve, but people play everything to death and spend so much time playing video games that companies can't innovate fast enough. They're not lazy, you just over-consume. There's nothing stopping you from not buying everything that comes out and taking breaks. Bored of Assassin's Creed or Call of Duty? Don't buy the new one every year. Too many open world games? Don't buy all of them and try to play them all for 300 hours.
People who don't buy everything, try different genres, or limit their playtime and enjoy gaming in moderation don't have this issue. Maybe you should try that.
I see what you're saying but I don't think that's the precise issue. Just using myself as an example, my only hobby is gaming. Only on several occasions have I received burnout for games (specifically dark souls). Generally speaking I am fine if a game isn't "the best". I care about the positive aspects of a game way more than I do its flaws and, as a result, I seem to always be able to find something I can enjoy.
I don't think I am an outlier by any means. I just think people like myself who can find enjoyment easier are underrepresented because we don't have anything to complain about.
Solar Coffee, are you sure the games weren't intended to be played a lot. I mean, games have become like an art form and an entire lifestyle. I think when games became very immersive, they became kind of like vacation spots. Like, hey, have you been to Hawaii? Have you been to Machu Picchu? Have you been to Skyrim and Mario World? They're immersive and they're a type of destination. And playing a game is like going on vacation.
Isn't that what games are, now that they've become somewhat reminiscent of real life.
clear mist Yeah but you go on vacation one or two weeks a year, and there's lots of people who play videogames every day. I think what the original comment meant, was that, like everything, video games get boring when they become a habit instead of that sort of "vacation" you mentioned.
I, for example, play video games once or twice a week for a few hours and I still enjoy them quite a bit.
Dani California So, it's just about quantity and scarcity? Like if you eat too much of your favorite food, it's not good anymore? That's interesting. What about people that like to travel all the time? They don't seem to get tired of it, or maybe they do.
Maybe traveling and video gaming are both recreations that take you away form work/day-to-day life and both can be seen as "wastes of time." They both take you away from the other life experiences that you could have. I guess, it just means that you should find the places you travel to and the games that you play worth your time. Something that you can look back on and really enjoy. Maybe that's what it's about.
I think so, yeah. I've been through periods where I've played games everyday, and I don't miss it at all.
I think that having only one hobby that you do a lot is a bad idea in general, imo. Gets old pretty quickly. But travelling is different. It's a more diverse experience every time, you meet people, get to know different places in person. Besides it requires more personal investment, planning, spending money, stress. Games require just turning on the PC or the console and playing.
Playing 200 games in a year? It's definitely the player's fault in your case.
Yea I'm 21 now , and games don't interest me as much . TBH they were life back in 2009, THERE WILL NEVER BE NOTHING like playing halo 3 multiplayer all night , or the good old MW2 days. Today 2017, you're like blehhh, you don't wanna buy a game just the thought of EVERY GAME coming in deluxe and gold edition throws me off. Why? Why is this the new normal? Our min wage goes up and so does bullshit like this
oBADKIDRANDYo Facts. Halo 3 was everything. Grinding all night to get that 50.
Agreed I’m 23 and mw2 was the best cod ever made. The killstreaks were so good. But nowadays cod scorestreaks are soo weak and not worth using smh 🤦♂️
What's the difference between Halo 3 and Halo 5? You're still mindlessly shooting people. I agree that Halo 3 was a far better game than Halo 5 but I think it just comes down to nostalgia and good memories.
I am 20 years old , I have the same feeling games are getting boring and again the only ones that try new things are indie developers.
halo 3 was the shit.
games are already expensive, then you add in the season pass, supply drops, additional content, etc. and before you know it you've dropped$120 into it
Nintendo and platinum games still make extremely fun games
+Tyke Yes but in exchange for all that. We get the same mario game over and over. Look at new super mario bros. released on the original DS, it now has what?... 9 different titles?
true..true
+Cuddlesnuffs Saddest Red Panda At least there one or two main games per consoles and they each bring something new. But you guys act so blind all you see is Mario jumping and stuff and you think it's the same game. Of course a sequel has elements from its predecessor.
+I, the Nintendo fan no no. the games like spaltoon and pokken are amaz9ng and unique. but matio from his ds releasr hasnt changed.
Cuddlesnuffs Saddest Red Panda You know Pokken is Tekken with Pokemons right? I can agree with Splatoon a lot, but at the same time, you have to understand, Splatoon is a shooter and even though the game has vastly different mechanics from other shooters it's still in the same category of its family, a shooter.
This is why nintendo always succeed nintendo dont care about graphics they care about the content of the game...but xbox and ps4 players just care about dam graphics and cinematics
I'm an Xbox player and I don't care about graphics looking amazing at all
CRUM GAMING -YT I love Nintendo
Play Dwarf Fortress then
it's okay to care about graphics and cinematics, appreciate the growth of science behind it, but when it becomes a show-off and dumb that is when it is wrong.
@@jugg9140 Agreed.
Play The World Ends With You for DS. It's legitimately the most creative, fun, challenging, and engaging game I've ever played. It's the shining example of creativity in a game.
Beatness no idea where this reccommendation came from but 100% totally agree love that game to bits
I have heard that so many times! Maybe I should.
It's also available on mobile platforms, although i'm not sure how well it performs there.
iiiiiiiiiiii, iiive waited for youuuuuuu
Currently playing through this right now. I love its attention to dialogue, the unique gameplay is fascinating, and the soundtrack has so much character it doesn't feel like a square game so much as an atlus project.
If you're playing uncharted 4, no wonder you think it isn't funny. Uncharted and the sister game Last of Us are both overrated cinematic boredom.
Dan Mason
I played last of us very recently, that game is a masterpiece
Dan Mason you're an idiot
You think it's a masterpiece because you're a casual gamer.
ahmed kabbary
if the last of us is a "boring piece of shit" then that means the entire resident evil franchise is a boring piece of shit.
how old are you?
just because you've been diagnosed with ADHD and have to pop pills with your mountain dew, doesn't mean people who were playing a link to the past WHEN IT WAS NEW have the same mental deficiencies
BobyJooba define casual gamer...
because I'm sure you play cod
What made games bad is the lack of simplecity and everything have to be WOW AMAZING . I mean one of the best series I ever played was harvest moon simply yet fun game . And stardew valley which is pretty much harvest moon game but much better hell stardew valley was the best game I played in 2016
Be a man. Play Dark Souls.
And then there is CD Project Red
Andre Vieira They're not an exception to anything. Brilliant story for a few of their games yes, but it's nothing new in terms of the genre.
SicParvisMagna123 I'm talking about the DLC situation, and releasing games that seem to have zero effort in them. Just some gimmick and cool trailers
The Penguin what are you talking about?
Andrea means other developers, he's not referring to CD Project Red.
i thought you said CD made games with zero effort in them, i'll delete the comment
Sorry for the small wait on this one. The Kojima video was supposed to be today, but I'm not happy with it so I touched up an older unused script I made with Rory. Please note that what I'm saying is largely directed at modern and larger Triple A releases such as those featured in the video. This is a heavily opinionated video and I understand not every company falls under this bit of criticism, so please don't try and treat it like I'm saying that's the way it is.
+BriHard All future thumbnails will now feature blue and orange/red thumbnails to give it that eye-catching action vibe that appeals to the average bro-gamer. That or Audrey Hepburn.
glad you said this, didn't want to leave a conflicting argumentative comment.
+BriHard Better not put a girl on the thumbnail either. Focus testing says the 18-25 year old core demographic thinks that's "gay".
+Maell55
he's barely out of college.....
real dolls are universal man it's keep america fucking & faping yeah
Xbox/ps2 was the best time for games.
FROM THE DUST 92 2009-2014
nah Xbox 360 and PS3 are better than Xbox and PS2
Word even ps3 was okay.
That generation of gaming ended too soon. The original xbox was out from 2001-2005. The games ran better too. Games were usually released with few bugs, and there was rarely a patch or update you had to download.
what about the game cube?
That pokemon one really hit home. I just want gamefreak to flesh out these features they drop on us instead of removing them. I get so bored of the formula and the new things they add don't pull me in as strong.
Well let's hope that them taking last year off is a sign of good things to come.. Because I also tire of Pokemon
It's frustrating because they make the Pokemon games so formulaic even in the new pokemon they choose. I mean there's always an electric mouse with a non-localized name, a few normal types in the beginning of the game that are usually cute and non-threatening, always 2 fossil pokemon, etc, etc.
jv9ufxcy And then came the fun and inventive sun and moon
Games didn't stop being fun, we did, we grew up and realized life isn't as exciting as we thought it was, we barely get time to enjoy the money we earn, games didn't get boring, we got old.
For Me, personally, video games were always fun until after I played Fallout 3 & Oblivion. My favorite games were always Chrono Trigger (SNES), some N64 & DreamCast, Half-Life (& mods Team fortress, cstrike, sven coop, etc...) & Diablo 1 -2 . These were pretty much the only games i played ( i never really had consoles) . I didnt really game thru the years of 2004-2008, but when i got a new PC and Fallout 3 and Oblivion, it changed my life. i skipped class, i stayed up for days playing these games. The Open world, the FPS/RPG elements, was everything I ever wanted in a game. Then after years of playing these games, (2008-2011) i got bored of gaming altogether. I still play games, but I feel like i'm just chasing the dragon most of the time. MEh... anyway i still play Fallout new vegas ( my favorite), and PAth of exile (diablo 1-2 clone) , and old half life mods. new games never really interest me for too long. Im hoping this new generation of games coming our way will make things more interesting.
Thats me as well, but i took the route of searching for games that are really unique and obscure. Dwarf fortress, Aurora 4x etc.
MrVarhansen fallout new Vegas is my favorite of all time with vice city. New Vegas was so amazing I'd never been that immersed in a game before, still haven't been that immersed in any other game
MrVarhansen On my end was too many games in the backlog. I became oversaturated with many titles and I've lost interest in games since many of them were way too similar. I took step back and said that I shouldn't buy that many games anymore and decided that if I want to buy a new game I should finish also a one from my backlog. This way I had to put more thought into what I want to buy and less titles meant more time to get to know the the games I already own and purchase. I've found a new appreciation for games after that.
God bless you.
god doesnt exist
video games stop being fun when everything became competitive instead of just fun
Agreed. So much is focused on multiplayer that the rest of the game suffers. I said when the trend of EVERY game "having" to "have" multiplayer and you having to be online to play the single player campaign started,that it would be the death of the gaming industry. I still believe that
Online only MP games focusing on E-sports and removing everything else made me lose interest in most games now. Very few fps still offer standard Free-For-All or PvE games now.
Nier:automata is GOTY. no multiplayer. P5 is awesome too
They're all the same now. I can't tell Tomb Raider from Uncharted. People hate me for it, but it's true. Video games now are total shit. This ain't nostalgia talking either, it's true. They're just all the SAME.
Same and boring as all hell.
Well, if put of the purple glasses for a second, you will soon realize, that videogames back then are more the same as today. I can't tell a old need for street underground apart from a old burnout. I can't tell the first Wulfenstein apart from Doom. Look at them now. They stopped being the same. Every old shooter was the same back then. Every fighting game, every racing game, every game of a specific genre. This is mainly, because back the, they didn't drew inspiration from other games, they relied on copying them.
Actually, as I've grown older my appreciation of games and my enjoyment has generally grown. I miss old titles and the way games used to be designed, but many developers like Atlus, Nintendo and Supergiant Games are still providing those amazing experiences that I remember for years.
TheAurian Try hollow knight.
*I love you.*
David Whitfield great game , I'm excited for the god's and glory dlc.
Well, that's fair. But don't you feel some games use the same design at some point.
Like when is somebody going to produce something new? That is well known.
All I can think off of the top off my head is Cod, BF, Mario, RB6, Pubg, Fortnite, Witcher 3, Assasins creed, Far cry, Halo, Skyrim, Dark souls, Elden ring.
What I often notice is that beloved games, get a new release of that game that is similar but different.
And there are some releses that come up nowdays, like Indie games. Lot's of them I love. They are always nice, but never heavy hitters like games back in the day. Always get's me intrested, never makes me want to stay too long.
And at what point do you get tired of doing what the game asks you to do, like a quest, and instead do something of your own free will.
Because that's what we do irl, we do what we want to do, and if somebody tells us what to do it feels like work in many cases.
being restricted is a terrible feeling and one that often come in games nowadays.
That's why I quit gaming, because I felt the games were restricting my ability to keep improving more.
It's nice to have a story and I loved The Witcher 3. But at one point I stopped, not beacuse I did not like the game, but beacuse the story was over and there were only side quests left.
Honestly? You've openned my eyes. I myself was blinded by all this marketing and brainwash of Triple A Gaming Industries, that I forgot about good old (sometimes unkown) games that used to be so fun.
Really, who nowadays know about Vagrant Story? Parasite Eve?
I tried many of those new AAA games and they are definitelly meh.
Now you got me to install a PS2 and Gamecube Emulator so I get to play the games I didn't play on the console when I still had it.
Kingdom Hearts, Xenoblade, Xenosaga, Iko, here I come bitches ♥
Bless your damn HEART!!! You mentioned what is quite possibly my favorite game of all time if I had to narrow it down...Vagrant Story! Absolute perfection!
Surprised that you woke up and realized the situation! Good job!
EVERYBODY says entertainment and everything was better BACK IN THEIR DAY, it's the grandpa syndrome. Things don't get shittier with time, our ability to feel joy does
You're right. People always tend to think the present is worse than the past, even though objectively speaking, it's usually the opposite. It's a common phenomenon noticable in most people, where they blame the outside world for a change that occurs entirely within them.
This is an unfortunate side effect of getting older. At a certain point you realise you've seen it all before and the things that once seemed new and exciting now seem old and boring.
Which leaves you with two options. Complain about how things aren't how they used to be, or find new things to enjoy or enjoy them in a different way.
Didn't you see my reply? Although what you're saying is partially true, movies and games are actually getting worse.
I did, but my reply's meant for the original poster.
Anyway. By what measure are films and games getting worse? Yours? Or do you have any data to back this up?
I've been going to the movies regularly for a couple of decades now and sure, there are good years and bad years, but I personally don't see any noticable decline in general. Or perhaps you believe all movies in the past were great. But they weren't, because there were just as many stinkers as there are now. The only difference is that most of them have been forgotten.
I'd say the same applies to games.
I thought you were the other poster. So no, I didn't see your reply. In fact, I don't see it anywhere.
+Some Guy enjoy them in a different way is the right answer.
If you are young you might enjoy the pew pew in mass effect, without really understanding the nuances of the story. When you are older you can compare the games and see how they progressed, how the technology behind them is different and how the story can be interesting.
Triple A died in 2007. That was around the time where all gen 6 games stopped being released and gen 7 games became the only option. That's also when gaming ended a large experimental phase that began with the release of Doom in 1993. That being the jump to 3D. In the 90's, every series had to jump to 3D thanks to the releases of Doom, Quake, and Mario 64. This meant that stagnation for a series wasn't possible because they had to do something new whether they wanted to or not. Meaning that in the late 90's, no matter what we got, it was a unique experience Then came gen 6 and that's when the lessons of the 90's started to take hold, and games started refining their mechanics, their gameplay ideas, aesthetics, etc, into something cohesive and truly whole. This resulted in very powerful titles like Halo, GTA III, Half-life 2, Guitar Hero 2, Shadow of the Colossus, Psychonauts and a million other games you could probably name. Then Gen 7 started and "refining" was all that series had left that they could do. By 2007, most games were following the same basic templates for game design and quickly running each one into the ground. 2007 wasn't the exact moment that experimentation stopped with triple A, but it was the exact moment where it was clear that there was nowhere left that they could go. It's when budgets got too big, teams got too big, audiences got too big, etc, for them to overhaul any of their development decisions that they knew had already worked.
Personally I stopped playing games around 2008 or 2009 because I saw the trend. For the most part I haven't played any games since 2007, and I don't regret my decision because I'm still right about games not being able to figure their shit out. A major exception to the rule is Hotline Miami, which is an incredible game and somewhat of an oasis in the current gen of games.
+Malmrose Projects You should honestly play Dark Souls and the Souls series in general, I think.
Yu Narukami that kind of game really isn't my thing. But there's absolutely no chance I'll play it because I can't afford a computer to run it, and I don't have any consoles that have it.
*****
for the record, the vast majority of gamers have far, far different tastes in games from myself. Like, people can very rarely find a game to recommend for me that'll turn out to be successful, because my tastes are very hard to figure out.
Dark Souls, to me, doesn't seem like it's pushing games in the right direction tbh. If it were, then there'd only be one game in the series, or the games would be extremely different from each other.
*****"looked up what interested you about it" nothing about Dark Souls interests me. I don't really care for the setting, gameplay, genre, tone, artistic intentions, etc. Bloodborne is closer than any of the other games to something I'd want to play but I can tell I probably wouldn't think it's anything more than "decent".
The only reason I even talk about Dark Souls ever, is because people constantly try to sell me on the game, almost as if people think that it isn't ok to dislike Dark Souls, that you're a bad gamer or have shit taste if you don't like this one series among thousands of series.
*****
so because I said that nothing about dark souls interests me, you decided to start acting condescending, literally stating that you "look down on me"? I think ya oughta get your priorities in check, because looking down on someone based on an opinion over a game and that game's fanbase is very peculiar, and a much more accurate example of being "petty".
The sad thing is that you're proving my point that I'm not allowed to like Dark Souls in peace without having people act like pricks about it.
"I don't care for Dark Souls and I'm not interested in playing it" "ok, that's fine that you feel that way, I personally enjoy the series but it's not for everyone". - this is how a conversation that isn't rooted in elitism would go. If your end goal is to get people to think and feel like you, then you would respond exactly the way you did, rather than just simply not caring and not even bothering to reply. In other words, you're demonstrating my point that Dark Souls fans push their favorite series onto people instead of having a "live and let live" mentality. It's true of other series as well but not nearly to the same degree as the Souls series. Nobody who's a big fan of "Harvest Moon" for example is going around shoving their game on people. And that's another game I have no interest in, but fans of that series don't get offended by someone not sharing that same love/interest.
I don't look down on Dark Souls fans because I don't look down on anyone. I don't really know what looking down on someone accomplishes, but congratulations for feeling better than me over a video game series I guess?
I'm kind of blindsided by your reaction lol, mostly because it's very ironic of you to "now look down" on someone by placing yourself as the one who obsessively cares what other people think about your favorite series.
Because we are older? I have a cousin who has a lot of fun with games like minecraft and rocket league, he is 13 years old. Back when I had 13, I had fun with the super nes playing stupid simple games like Alladin, Top Gear, biker micers from mars, etc.. Not even Link to the past or Mario World, more "complex" games, it was just these simple games that where also generic copies. Willing or not, this hobby is aimed to children. You can make a adult game like Last of Us, or use gore and adult themes in games like Max Payne... It doesn't matter, the hobby is more appealing for kids or people who don't have a social life. Right now I am busy with college and work, more and more my time is being consumed by those factors, I didn't have so much fun with recent AAA games. Games like Deus-Ex (extremelly well done, but I had to abandon it to cover college last november and I didn't touch it since, I don't even remember the story anymore) or the new Tomb Raider (this game is like a thematic disney attraction, completely on rails). Playing sport games since forever, this was the first year that I didn't played NBA 2K, etc... I mean, I believe more and more people are simply getting tired with the constant repetition or they simple don't have time to spare.
+That Guy
That is not what he said at all.
True..
I know a 34 or something year old who loves minecraft.
I'm 24, I love rocket league and plenty of other games.
The hobby isn't aimed at kids, it hasn't been in years. Stop watching fox news.
Star Citizen, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, Ni no Kuni 2, Persona 5, Yakuza 0, Yakuza Kiwami, Mass Effect Andromeda, and plenty of other games. Stuff like A Hat in Time, Nex Machina, Matterfall, Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War 3, Nier Automata, Styx: Shards of Darkness, Digimon World: New Order, Horizon Zero Dawn, Kingdom Hearts 1.5, 2.5, and 2.8, Little Nightmares, Get Even, Tekken 7, The Bard's Tale IV, Absolver, Ace Combat 7, Agents of Mayhem, Call of Cthulhu, Dauntless, Death's Gambit, Divinity: Original Sin 2, Drawn to Death, Dreadnought, Dreams, Earth Defense Force 5, Frozen Synapse 2, Gran Turismo Sport, Guilty Gear Xrd Revelator 2, Lords of the Fallen 2, Mages of Mystralia, Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite, Megaton Rainfall. LIGHTFIELD, New Hot Shots Golf, Nine Parchments, Torment: Tides of Numenera, Nights of Azure 2: Bride of the New Moon, Nidhogg 2, Outlast 2, Overkill's The Walking Dead, Pillars of the Earth, SpellForce 3, Starblood Arena, Star Control: Origins, State of Mind, Strafe, Sundered, The Guild 3, The Sexy Brutale, The Church in the Darkness, The Escapists 2, Thimbleweed Park, Tokyo 42, Uncharted: The Lost Legacy, Vampyr, Windjammers, What Remains of Edith Finch, WipEout: Omega Collection, Zero Escape: The Nonary Games, Yonder: The Cloud Catcher Chronicles, and Nioh.
I made an incomplete list of games that people should check out this year (based on my taste)
Hopefully it lets you see some of the different types of games out there.
Also Bariand:
Shooters to look at: Xonotic, Shadow Warrior 2, and Strafe (has fucking great advertisements)
Arcade games: Crawl, Vertical Drop Heroes, Lethal League, Crypt of the Necrodancer, Hotline Miami 1 and 2, Enter the Gungeon, EDF 4.1, Hero Siege, and Rock of Ages. All of these games have couch co op as well except Hotline Miami. Also look forward to Windjammers and EDF 5.
Platformers: Trine 1-3 (2 is the best), Cally's Series, Strider, Hell Yeah!, and Broforce
I can scrounge up some more if you want later, but for now I'm going to bed. Also do what the video says, try some new genres.
HopOnTheHype
You cited multiple sequels, direct or indirect sequels, spiritual sequels, etc.. I don't even need to read the whole thing, I had glimpses of Tekken 7 and Kingdom Hearts for example, many solid numbers scattered as well. It's redundant. Also the hypocrisy, how can you to talk about different "types" or new genres if you used sequels as examples? There is no magic game or specific genre that can attract people back for this hobby, this is a tricky situation. I just presented my scenario, I am not saying old people are prohibited to play Minecraft. You have your own scenario. It's nice to see someone excited with the future and I am also 24 years old. But in the end, you have to consolidate your argument. Just tossing around names is not something wise, especially considering some of the names. Again, Tekken...? how can you use tekken as an example?
I miss the year when maxpayne was relased. The year of winxp , the year of DVDs , the year of Tech magazine and free CDs , the year of motherboard comparison , GRphc Card comparison , Hdd comparison . Really those days were the best.
That was such a damn good year! Max Payne, GTA 3, and MGS2. God SUCH a great year
That was such a damn good year! Max Payne, GTA3, and MGS2. GREAT year!
It really was the best. Nowadays, it just sucks.
This is my 2cents on gaming in today's era. Its not as fun as it used to be for many many factors and this varies from person to person. for me personally life itself gets in the way of truly enjoying the experience compared to when I was a kid. those days only real responsibility u had was your school homework and some chores. being an adult in the gaming scene is totally different. You need to consider realistically pricing of games, then you have ur work, relationships, managing expenses etc and u don't get to truly sit down and game. usually in the back of my mind I'll be thinking about the things I still need to do or pay etc or I'll be oh damn I forgot i need to get presents for this bday or damn car servicing is coming up or this huge project I'm working on needs my attention etc. Now that is one part of the story for me. The other part is that most games today are just simply either movie like experiences with almost no gaming aspect to it. now I enjoy my movie like experiences lots but why can't there be a combination of both? they tend to stray too far from the actual gaming experience and concentrate on lifelike movie styled scenes etc. now all these things do have its place in gaming. I just think they very unbalanced and games are made so mainstream now that it's only about sales and nothing else. Another part of why I find gaming to be not as fun as before is the fact that I think people concentrate too much on wanting constant innovation that it holds one back from actually enjoying the game for what it originally is. example: F1 racers don't need new innovations other than improving on the things that make F1 games great. sure minute innovations can be added but people seem to want such big innovations to keep them interested that they tend to forget why they enjoyed it in the first place. Now for me it's simple. I can play game often and have fun if it has this rough ratio: 40% Story, 50% gameplay and 10% innovations (includes graphic enhancements etc. As long as a game has a super interesting story and fun gameplay then that's all that matters to me. I dont need them to push out a sequel where they going to add 100 new sub missions etc. Id much rather have 10 new submissions that is of high story quality and gameplay than the usual collect 10 000 journal entries etc. Thats my 2 cents.
Faeez Hendricks about fiddy cent... shiny quarters tho
When games became solely FPS games mostly. Also when games became cheap and DLC.
+ZRoosty or indie games. Those are allowed to be creative because they don't have to listen to corporate bigwigs tell them what kind of games to make.
+ZRoosty I've played FFVI. One of the best RPGs ever made.
You are so wrong in every sense. There are more third person shooters being released than first person shooters in this age of gaming.
"When Did Games Stop Being Fun?"
When sheep began to blindly support linear walking simulators with generic gameplay like the Uncharted series only because it's a platform exclusive.
Uh, last time I checked, NO body fucking heard of Uncharted, while REAL sheeps fall for Battlefields, Call of Duty, Counter Strike, and fucking Overwatch, and SJW shitfests. Uncharted is a fucking god send compared to what we have for 9 years, and your Nostalgia turdfest can go preach some where else along with the SJW crowd and the Elistist 90's lovers
whatayaDO543 teenage virgin alert
UndertakerU2ber Uncharted is the shit wtf
+藤岡 Highschool
"Uncharted is -the- shit wtf"
Fixed. And yes, I agree wholeheartedly ;)
UndertakerU2ber Are you not good with puzzles?
It costs too much in tedium to make HD and "realistic" games., which is also why split screen staples like in Halo were abandoned. They've sacrificed core features in many games just to keep up with graphics. When was the last time a really good arcade racer like Rush or the never ported Overdrive come out? Those are fun as heck and an ESCAPE from reality which is where it all started.
NOW they produce these things like it's a movie with "character development" and the often empty and time consuming 'open environment'. I think games SHOULD be limited to a scope of being FUN FIRST with a focus rather than realistic. There are some good DLC games but the center niche of the GREAT arcade style games has really been abandoned. Games CAN be way to time consuming anymore to ever pick up. I like to get on, have fun, then set it down with the option of sharing a couch with some friends or family instead of the now DEAD HORSE of shooting strangers online.
Solution:
1. Charecter development is for the obsessed gamer, if the gameplay doesn't ROCK then it's superfluous. A good story...OK, but not catering to the troll crowd that constantly complains about those things, there is a silent and calm majority out there.
2. Cut back the graphics, light flaring and arm hair if need be to bring back local gaming so we can share with our REAL LIFE friends and family. Look at Minecraft, the graphics are garbage and it sold like hotcakes.
3. Games create vibes, and I feel that alot developers aren't having that much fun anymore AND IT SHOWS. With budgets and storylines and superfans with far too much time to nitpick, it's a wonder they get these monsterous games out at all. Nintendo seems to have the best vibe I have to say, Too bad they've shooed away alot of developers with underpowered hardware for over a decade.
Games stop being fun when you don't have money to upgrade your GPU and CPU.
Manuel Tan almost any low end gpu cant compete with a console, which is medium / low 30 fps , devs are focusing on creating games for a console and only after that for the pc
BonkBoy oh my God, a console peasant. There is this thing called a rx 460 or gtx 1050ti. Really cheap but way better than consoles
Emre Kaya Threw my GTX 1050Ti in the trash a while back. Bought me an Xbone. Never regretted it yet..
White Knight 5 Don't just outright lie😂
Emre Kaya why do graphics matter im curious I never thought they were important to making a game good
As soon as they started trying to be movies.
I'm glad people are talking about this topic, because it's TRUE. I am glad there are a few passionate developers left standing. I was worried for Pokemon Sun & Moon, and most certainly for Final Fantasy 15's 10 YEAR development span. Turns out, these games just continue reinventing themselves in new & refreshing ways. Sun & Moon backed away from the "Pokemon formula" since Gen 1, of battling the 8 gym leaders to become the world champion. The games also added a whole lot of new Pokemon, Z-Moves, uniquely typed Pokemon, Alohan Forms, and much more! As for Final Fantasy? A few minor flaws in the elemancy and summoning systems, but a game so fun and massive that it feels just shy of a masterpiece.
Final Fantasy XV - masterpiece? Since when? And how?
Mehak Chaudhary It feels like an unfinished masterpiece. It definitely could've been more
defil3d Ah yes, that definitely. Why don't you come on the Official forums for FFXV. We discuss and provide feedback to the FFXV Dev team for DLCs and demands more additions. I do feel the FFXV dev team isn't much open to fan suggestions but it should be just like CD Projekt Red's Cyberpunk 2077 Dev team is.Here's the link:
forum.finalfantasyxv.com
defil3d I feel the Devs could've made the better by making it fulle open-world and not just the second half. Added Acts 1-4, insterad of only Acts 1 and 2. Added more playable female characters with in-depth background storied and in-game character development. Hint: Luna. But added background stories to Regis, Ravus, Ardyn, Ieodolas, Versteal and the plethora of amazing characters that they developed. I feel the Devs didn't do the characters or the soundtrack any justice.
is ff15 worth my time do you think. is it up to the standard of 7 or 9?
Games stopped being fun when companies started caring more about money than actually making a good game. All the big industries are to blame. Activision, Ubisoft etc are the cancer to gaming that slowly made gaming not fun anymore because morons would rather spend money on a yearly game rather than a good game that took a long time to make. That's why Breath of the Wild will be a game to look out for. I hope it's everything that it's hyped up to be. If not then I'm giving up on video games
It's not that video games aren't fun anymore. It's just nostalgia and the novelty of playing them for the first time being gone
+Kyle Waynick companies always cared more about money. We have way more games that are published today when companies know they won't sell well. See: Mirrors Edge 2, Beyond Good and Evil 2, and Watch Dogs 2.
Solution? Try Nintendo. They still make games that are built around gameplay and interactivity, instead of badly written story. I am so tired of game devs trying to make games into films. Films already exist, I play games because of the interactivity and...fun.
And of course Breath of the WIld. But Arms is amazing too...tried it at the launch event and its far far far better than you would think from the trailer they had for it. It reminds me of Splatoon in that it is very simple to grasp but has lots of nuance for strategies.
perydwyn Solutions? PC. Rimworld, Factorio, Star citizen.
Or you are just ADHD? Possibility.
Eh? What for not liking badly written stories? For liking games to be games instead of badly made films? Pretty sure thats not a symptom of ADHD lol
Think it might be possible you are just incapable of following said story? I understand that not EVERY game is put together well, but when has that ever been the case for any genre in the last 50 years? What you're saying is ludicrous.
They stopped being fun when the dark souls series ended
Yeah or you just play Nintendo. The end.
I mean if your 6 then yeah Nintendo has always been great
If your a PlayStation Or Xbox Fan listen and if your a PC Gamer then just leave but nintendo made PlayStation they where making a console together then Nintendo gave up and made Sony pissed so they made the PlayStation which let To Microsoft thinking they had to join the consoles sooo don’t hate nintendo
Ocelot Madness Kinda like your age...6
He must be because his mind is so tiny, and probably is scared of the world so hides in their little room all day and play online rather than get out of the house and socialize amd try to get laid
Ocelot Madness Nintendo is not only for 6 year olds, I'm almost 16 and I like Nintendo better than PC Xbox and PlayStation. And you should see Nintendo switch ads, there's like hardly any kids in them. BTW don't think I'm just another Nintendo fanboy being triggered from people saying its for kids because I'm not triggered I'm just giving you knowledge lol
I am really glad I found this channel and subscribed. You bring an interesting perspective on multiple topics. Sometimes I disagree but always you put up a valid argument so it is interesting to see what you bring up next. Keep up the great work.
Games are becoming movies, taking themselves way too seriously. Only games that feel like games this gen are Infamous, Sunset Overdrive, Cuphead, DMC 5, Nier Automata, Rocket League (when it released). Games are meant to be fast. Feel free to add any AAA games which I may have skipped
Persona 5 is fun as hell.
KidSardonic I picked it up and tried it after hearing good things. I am an RPG fan and even generally am okay with JRPGs but for some reason it lost my interest after a couple weeks. I might try again.
It was so boring for me. Maybe because im the same age as the main character, and cant bare highschool. The game was just meh. Have like 4 games, and like 1 is decent.
KidSardonic hell yeah, having a blast with it. It's refreshing. Nier was amazing if you haven't played it
KidSardonic I got bored after defeating the PE teacher kamoshida. I'll try it again in the future
KidSardonic
I know right?
Like I said in my own comment to this video: “If you think games stopped being fun, you’re just playing the wrong games.”
DLC, constant online dependance, cutting the story in order to make a sequel, making visuals monotone instead of unique per game, making most main characters share a lot of aspects (male white guy with gun, sexy white girl with gun, soldier), re releasing the same game as many times as possible (Super Street Fighter II Turbo, Skyrim, Pokemon series), the nostalgia factor... I find all of this responsible for videogames turning into mere cashgrabs (I mean, they're products, of course they've always been cashgrabbers, but at least some videogames used to have extra content and presents for the player to discover and enjoy instead of forcing you to pay extra cash or to buy countless sequels to know what happened since the first game).
as we get older we get satisfied less, when I was young I liked everything
Have you given any thought to the fact that maybe only we got too fricking old?
And don't find them interesting and fun anymore.. because you know, nothing lasts forever.. :/
im 14 and games became boring
I look at the way gaming is now and I look at the gaming crash of '83. The industry has never changed, it's always been as a business first by the bigger companies. The burden of choice has always been completely on the shoulders of the consumer. Games stop being fun when you stop buying fun games. Anyone that thinks the industry is getting worse lives in a very tiny box and is afraid to venture out.
Chosen One 41 Exactly.
When you can buy only one game every 2 years you can’t venture out can you? I haven’t got a single game last 3 yrs and free games aren’t gonna keep me full for long .
Not to mention, the game industry has been going downhill since 2013.
@@tiruliru1189 I'd argue 2013 is around the time games started to climb out of the hole they dug themselves in. Shorty after that in 2014 we had some amazing games like Wolfenstein, South Park and Styx just to name some off the top of my head.
This is why I love Nintendo. They are the only company left who seems to care about the people who play their games.
It stopped being fun when fanboys starting rolling in
Today's social media fanboys, yeah. When we were gaming on Genesis and SNES, there was rivalry, but no internet to spread any toxicity.
Stealthex, agreed, fanboys nowadays are so toxic (especially Xbox, PlayStation, PC).
This is a universal problem for the whole world. All industries are stale. The movie industry is just as generic and stale as the game industry. All these romance, horror, and action movies ive especislly noticed are clones. Creativity isnt as limitless as ppl make it out to believe, and super creative ideas with anything is expensive and risky as hell. But openworld games are going to be similar regardless, same with platformers, shooters, etc. Only reason Just Cause 3 gets praise for the wingsuit is because other developers have strangely lacked the feature in their games. This is a very lucky situation. But do you really expect more innovative crafting mechanics, grappling hooks, racing, etc? The reality we live in hardly innovates with all the themes it has, so expecting other games and movies and etc to do 180s is ignorantly naive.
If animals breed to create new species, itll be default similar to the already existing ones because of shared features. Trillions of people exist, but a lot of us still look similar AND act similar to each other ("you remind me of this person" is a common phrase). Different flavors of drinks and foods are still like their original counterparts.
Point: There is no such thing as "brand new" and large innovation. Templates exist for a reason. Creativity is overrated. Even if people try to be creative, they by coincidence make similar products regardless. You hear how devs/authors say they didnt know their chars, stories, etc were like this from others, yet it still happens. Thats just one obvious case. With OR WITHOUT inspiration, were going to have similar or clone things, because so many things have been created and combined that there isnt much left to do without it feeling similar.
Aura Guardian I'm not sure about the movie industry, but I can think of countless possible innovations that I would make to my favourite videogame series. I mean, just the simple fact that the destruction system in Red Faction Guerilla (which came out almost a decade ago) is not commonplace in games, or the Euphoria physics engine (especially as utilized in GTA IV and Max Payne 3) has also been rarely used. IMO, these systems should be the foundation of every modern action game
Becoming an adult with a more rational mind we can see games for what they are. We can see the boundaries and limitations within them thus restricting a grown ups emersion. Greedy crappy companies pushing loot boxes and over priced currencies are another killer of fun, either reminding you how much more money everyone has than you or just out right pestering us.
Thankfully there are still companies creating games like the witcher and horizon, who clearly give a sh*t.
This is why I enjoy Nintendo and Indie games.
Only western games make shit game dark souls was fun and that's a Japanese game
Dark Souls seems fun but the 'Souls-Like' market is getting bloated. Shame too since Dark Souls and Bloodbourne look really good.
skyrim was more fun than dark souls it was western
Even though I'm not a fan of Nintendo's mobile games, I still have fun with their console games!
@@correctopinion5535 at least he has fun
Games died out when everyone started to focus on better graphics instead of actual game play. Nintendo understands this issue and tries to make games revolving around game play instead of better graphics. I gave up on playstation xbox and pc a long time ago because of this.
saif ghanim Oh look a Nintendo fanboy.
Abraham 302 be wary, there’s many of us on the internet
The irony of course is that, before the GameCube, Nintendo had the most powerful consoles on the market, or was at least very competitive with their machine's power.
Fallout New Vegas is probably the only modern game that i've played for like 100 hours. used to play WoW for like 8 years and didn't liked the new expansion so i stopped playing it. Hyper Light Drifter is one of the best new game that i heavily invested my time into. played for like 30 hours and the actual gameplay is only 6 hours or so. Not for a casual gamer though since the gameplay mechanics can be pretty deep. I think i prefer games with short playtime that doesn't sacrifice skill ceiling like Hotline Miami and HLD.
I have found by playing a mixture of story games, competitive games, and casual games I have been able to enjoy them alot more.
Having friends to play with helps alot!
They got boring when games became easier to play. Resident evil is a great example of that. These days I'd rather just play fighting games online🙃
Yes, they became easier and so dumb. They fill your screen with tips and buttons. You can't explore.
There are lots of games out there that don't do that. Have you tried them instead of just playing every mainstream shit that comes out? Just saying.
elmillo10 name those games?
Not a single game that I play fills my screen with tips and buttons all the time. Most of the games tell you how to use a mechanic once and then those tips disappear for good. You can even choose what type of advice you want sometimes. Lately I've played Witcher 3, Dark Souls 3, Bloodborne, Rome 2: Total War, Metal Gear V, and they don't do that. Maybe Ratchet and Clank did it, and it is the most "childish" of all the ones I've mentioned.
I forgot about Inside, a piece of art that doesn't even have a single line of dialogue.
Micro transactions and dlc killed it for me. I miss the days when a game was fully released and developers left it alone
I felt this way in 2014 and most of 2015 with the triple A games that were released (and I didn't buy), then I discovered Monster Hunter and I really, really liked it. Splatoon was also great.
I do think playing a Triple A game once in a while isn't good, but I just think it's the equivalent of junk food in gaming and the industry would be better served if we bought more games like Shovel Knight and Ghost Trick.
+1 cookie (donut) for mentionning Ghost Trick :D If there ever was a game that opened my eyes to how well storytelling can enhance the experience of the medium, it would be this one.
Prankster Lumii Yeah, I'm a guy that's heavy into gameplay, but that game ties the narrative and gameplay so well it's amazing. I'd rather have that than games trying to ape films.
Games developers seem more interested in churning out easy-to-do sequels rather than concentrating on new and imaginative gaming ideas and concepts. I personally had more fun on the Nintendo 64 and playstation 1 than I have ever had on any of the next generation consoles. Having people in the same room as me when beating their ass at Goldeneye or getting my ass whooped at MarioKart.....That was what made gaming great. I admit as a 34 year old I am getting too old for gaming now...I currently play Command and Conquer Red alert on PC and Skyrim on xbox 1. However after Shenmue 3 and Final Fantasy remake.....I think I will no longer buy anymore computer games. I think the Final Fantasy remake will be the final nail in the coffin for my gaming life....
I'm in my 30's also and I hear you man.... don't give up on it...what I did was take breaks from it and also like the video suggested started to play different kind of genres
Good point. I think that's what I miss from the old days, playing in the same room with your friends. That way if you lost and one of them was talking shit you could at least blast him in the arm as hard as you could which would turn into a brawl and everyone would laugh and\or possibly jump in. Now its just kids acting like snarky cunts over a headset.
Underrated: friends beating the crap out of each other.
Games trying to hard to be cinematic and immersive storytelling wise is part of the decline of gaming, as most devs that do this forget that they are making a video game and it becomes completely boring to actually play.
I watched to the end because I was happy to know I wasn't alone in how I felt about games.
When did games stop being fun?
When companies realised experimenting on originality was far more risky than feeding millions of gamers, new improved CoD.
you mean AAA games aren't fun.. plenty of amazing small studio games coming out all of the time.
0:33 "It's largely why time seems to speed up as you age". Time has literally sped up my friend. Look at your computer clock. The seconds do not tick away at the same intervals. Count Mississippi for each number, & you'll see it will speed up & slow down. I'm not joking about this. I can't believe anyone hasn't seen this.
No, the reason why counting Mississippi is a cultural standard for counting seconds, is because of how accurate it is that you'll get the seconds exactly right. Same with counting 1 one-thousand, 2 one-thousand, 3 one-thousand ect. If you look at clock in the lower right part of your screen, & click on it, you'll see the seconds (long hand) ticker will literally jump an extra second really fast at times, but have hang time for other seconds (like it use too for every second). Look at it closely, you'll see some seconds sped up.
We're all getting older basically. And we realize how time wasting it is to spend hundred of hours in computer simulation, while we still has many obligation to do in the real world, unlike when we were kids, when we have tons of time and so little worries because our parents do everything while we just sat there playing video games.
Games also becoming much bigger these days, which means more hour is needed while most of us don't even have one. that's probably why we dont find gaming as fun as it was before.
Totally agree as a 20 year old, watched a lot of trends, creativity has gone...
OMG bro, its like you were able to compartmentalize my thoughts and present them in a way i never could. Just disappointments and smell of failure.
Well, at least Persona 5, Bloodborne, Yakuza 0/6, Mario Odyssey, Arms and Cuphead were pretty good. I think the problem with games nowadays is that the majority are mostly either: 1)a game trying to catch up on current popular trends like Battle Royale and Open world games, 2)cinematic games that felt like it would have been less of a chore if they just made it as a tv or netflix series, 3)cashgrabs, or 4)games with bigger emphasis on pay to win practices.
But honestly, there ARE fun games. You just have to keep digging in order to find those buried gems.