Judaism and Just War Theory

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  • Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
  • A conversation with Phil Lieberman, a rabbi, scholar, and naval officer.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 7

  • @josearaujo8616
    @josearaujo8616 27 днів тому +1

    Remember the Maine. All wars are just. Did anyone ever start a war saying it was unfair and unjust?

    • @michaelshurkin613
      @michaelshurkin613  22 дні тому +1

      Not to my knowledge.

    • @josearaujo8616
      @josearaujo8616 21 день тому

      @@michaelshurkin613 The moment the reaction is disproportional it becomes unjust and unfair, its a good way to start.
      Exceptionalism is not a good starting point, we are always exceptional.

  • @RePeteAndMe
    @RePeteAndMe 18 днів тому

    0:47 "just war theory"
    Excellent timing! The Palestinians' struggle for equality is a perfect example of a just war.
    3:01"defend itself"
    Hmm, I'm 65 and I haven't seen Israel ever "defend" anything. Israel has been on the offense of an ethnic cleansing campaign my whole life. Are you implying that constantly ethnically cleansing innocent civilians is related to "defense"? How?
    6:09 "Empire"
    Here you completely subsume your own ethics. Empires can't engage in just war since their existence depends on injustice. "Nations" can engage in just wars. Empires. Can't ethically or legally defend against their captives fighting for equality. This, of course, the situation in Palestine, where European colonists are engaging in genocide because their captives gave Israel a small excuse, that Israel magnified with lies (such as pretending that it isn't just Israel who mass rapes and tortured captives.
    But remember, when IDF soldiers cowardly and illegally donned civilian clothes to slaughter hundreds of Innocents? Not hostages, but a few of counter-hostages were found, not in a dungeon being raped and tortured, which is standard procedure in Israeli detention of Palestinian hostages, but being given hospitality. The counter-hostages were literally treated like guests right in Palestinians' homes! Talk about just warfare, eh?
    6:36 "when you were wandering in the desert"
    Again, put your brain in. How would the Amalekites find the Israelis? How would they survive without manna from heaven? I haven't heard this harassing murder claim before, likely because there's no physical way for your claim to be true.
    7:56 Saul was garbage, eh? And your talk is labeled "just war" yet you didn't address the inhumanity and brutality of the deity character in the book. Seriously, you actually accept genocide as the best first example of moral warfare?!?
    8:53 dude, such a one-sided tale. Mutual tribal raiding, you describe, but then you casually remove "mutual" from the story. Why? Bigotry appears the most likely reason. Are you subscribing to the concept of Superior and inferior Races? ::::shudder:::
    9:45 "a war of expansion"
    The only type of war Israel has ever fought. Can you list an exception? Israel always violates the first ethical rule: expanding one's territory through war is Wrong no matter who one thinks started it. Then again, so is genocide and here you are celebrating genocide.
    I'm going to go. You should buy some ethics instead of searching old texts for excuses. A century of ethnic cleansing culminating in genocide.. sorry, but I can't stomach any more. Thumbs down.

    • @michaelshurkin613
      @michaelshurkin613  18 днів тому

      Oh, friend, thou dost read too much into a video about a 12th century Spanish rabbi's presentation of purely hypothetical laws that are in vigor nowhere.