Why the West is wrong about Islam | Peter Oborne | The Big Picture S3EP15
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- Why are Western societies so fearful of Islam and Muslims?
One can answer this question by examining history, particularly that of European colonial powers, and the ways in which they justified their actions in the Global South by painting its peoples and religions as alien and in need of reformation.
Another answer can be found in the murky ties between our modern political parties, powerful media figures and well-funded think tanks, who have all benefited from casting Muslim communities as antagonists.
This week on The Big Picture podcast, we speak to celebrated author and columnist Peter Oborne, who has spent years tracing the roots of anti-Muslim hatred in Western history, and the people who shape its modern manifestations in Britain, the US and France.
He presents his findings in his 2023 book ‘The Fate of Abraham: Why The West Is Wrong About Islam’.
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Peter is guided by his faith and conscious. He isn't paid for and speaking out of every corner of his mouth like most of the rest. Great respect for his decency and courage.
what's peter religion ?
Peter is inside the pocket of wealthy Arabs. As such, he sprouts all sorts of nonsense.
@@srbsrb3831and who has bought you off?
A pompous purveyor of piffle: "Islam is a religion of peace". Ever wonder how it spread all the way to France and Asia?
@@srbsrb3831What about the nonsense and anti-Muslim hate speeches that Douglas Murray spouts?
In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act
Admitting that Islam is nothing but co-opting Judaism by Mohammad the PaedPaedophileld would have been a revolutionary act!
Acknowledging that Bedouin Arabs didn't f..k all about any scientific discipline before overrunning Iran and Egypt would have been a revolutionary act!
ISIS did nothing that Mohammad and his Qoran did not sanction!
Pre 2020, I had the same fear of Islam, but once I stopped believing our uk media and politicians, it's woken me up to the truth , I no longer have that same fear and hatred . My only advice to others is to do your own research before believing what you read.
There are over 100 verses Calling for violence against non believers
Try reading the Sahih Hadiths, esp with respect to a certain 54-year old man and a 9-year old Aisha in the bedroom, with the child still holding her doll! Stay well away from this evil cult.
Interesting indeed. I am not Muslim or Jewish or Evangelical Christian my heart bleeds for Palestinian people
I started to admire Peter Oborne when he resigned his job at the Telegraph on a point of principle.
He found out that the Telegraph wouldn't dare to report about the wrong doings of a bank, I don't remember whether it was the Barclays or HSBC, because they used to take a large advertisement spaces from the paper.
It was HSBC. It was because they closed the bank account of the Finsbury Park Mosque in London without warning or clear reason. And yes the paper refused to report on it
A lot of these companies, especially the pharmaceutical industry runs ads in papers, TV and digital media not for sales of their products but as leverage on the media itself.
If the platform tries to print something they don’t like, they threaten pulling their ads.
Total respect & admiration to Peter Oborne, one of the very few high profile personalities prepared to risk all in spite of the shallow lies & misrepresentation of those psychopaths in power.
I am not a religious person but I respect people who are religious and I oppose Islamophobia.
I KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE HEADS AND MIND OF THOS MUSLIMS OR PEOPLE COMING FROM THOSE AREAS AND MAKING THEIR WAY HERE TO THE WEST ----- BUT DO YOU KNOW - what they are thinking ??????? ---- i am afraid you are ttooooo stupid tooo ignorant ------ I HAVE STUDIED THEM & I HAVE EVIDENCE FOR YOU ---- DON T EVER EVER LIE TO ME AGAIN --- I KNOW WHAT IS IN YOUR UPBRINGING --- WHAT YOU ARE REALLY
NO 10 COMMANDMENTS IN QURAN, MUHAMMAD COULD NOT COPY IT, AND PUT IT IN QURAN, CAUSE HE KNOWS HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO OBEY IT, RULE NUMBER ONE, SLEEPING WITH A CHILD IS A NO NO, IT DOES NOT MATTER IF IT WAS 1400 YEARS AGO, NO EXCUSE, ANY HUMAN WITH A BRAIN WOULD KNOW IT IS COMMON SENSE YOU DO NOT SLEEP WITH A CHILD , ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE THE AGE OF A GRANDFATHER, AND HAVING MANY WIVES ALREADY..Jesus condemed the violation of children and Muhammad in his old age did exactly that in marrying a 6 year old
Those who dishonor children are the AntiChrist
Muhammad violates the Ten commandments and deliberately does not introduce it in the Quran although Moses appears over 160 times and a whole chapter appears in Quran
& once again explicitly and unambiguously confirms the unethical and immoral nature of Muhammad
So legitimate criticism of Islamic theology makes one Islamaphobe? So much for free speech.
@@srbsrb3831where did they say that? You have difficulty sorting reality from what's in your own head
How could one be Islamophobic? Islam says I, as an atheist, should be killed. Therefore, I vehemently oppose Islam out of self preservation if nothing else. I think Muslims are following a bad ideology which has doomed them to poor living standards and a very anti-intellectual culture. Is that Islamophobia? Because they are all 100% valid criticisms, and telling me I need to respect people who want me dead, lets just say I won't be amenable to that solution.
''If you are not very careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, & loving the people who are doing the oppressing.'' Quote- Malcolm X
Or that as soon as a group claims the label "oppressed" they become angels...utter nonsense.
The few voices who still have morals and a conscience
Just bought Oborne's book. Thank you for this great interview 🙏 🙌 👏 ❤
I would be so happy if you would translate this speech. I am from Germany and our government and the AFD made hate speeches against us Muslims. We had this already in 1933 and people have to weak up. Not many people speak English that was probably also a part of the political system, that we can’t understand each other. This report is so important for the Muslims all over the world. Allahumma Barik feek.
You can auto translate into any language on this video through UA-cam auto caption
Thank you for this information!
I will try it!!! Salam Alaikum
We will never accept the Islamization of Europe or other Christian areas.
Never. If you can accept that, we will have peace. If you cannot, you will be thrown out.
😉 good idea to ask, thank you
Superlative interview! Very educational! Thank you and Peter Oborne !
One have to look at who owns most of the msm. It is not to their benefit to give a fair representation of Islam. Devide and rule. This allows the continuing support for the apartheid regime going on in the Holylands.
@@revpadma - No, it isn't a mystery at all. You realize we in the West are quickly becoming majority atheist, ya? We already had cultures which were completely incompatible, but now there will be an even bigger rift between us. You guys still act like its the 7th century, you practice your religion like Europeans from the Middle Ages practiced Christianity. Then we had the Enlightenment and secularization, and the divide has been growing since. You won't ever catch up until you modernize your culture, but I expect you guys to cling to it even tighter until it is completely undeniable that your religion is keeping you weak compared to everyone else. You guys will have a really hard time giving up a myth which makes Arabs front and center, even saying God told people to only read his words in Arabic, hahaha. You guys just don't have a clue, you are proud of all the wrong things, you think your stubbornness in places like Palestine is a show of strength, but to the rest of the world it perfectly encapsulates why you people will always stay underdeveloped. You are hot heads with little logic going into to your thinking. So, no, it is not a mystery why you are portrayed the way you are. It is because it is the truth. The only people who support in the West you have an ideology which is completely incompatible with yours, they just support you because of a brain dead ideology about oppression and needing to be a white savior to minorities. It is all so comical. The truth is, it is only going to get worse until it gets better, because you guys are nowhere near ready to move on from Islam or at least have a movement equivalent to the Enlightenment.
Indeed ! It is the Muslims who cannot abide one Jewish state in the Holy Land ! Israel ! 🇮🇱
I think most of the people watching this video don't get it. They look at the role of "the west", the mistakes of "the west" and "western guilt". Who is "the west?" Well, one might say it's who shapes the values we attribute to "the west."
And I think we know whose actual values, ideas and morals those are, don't we?
@@marcwinfield1541 “it’s who shapes the values we attribute to “the west””, indeed, though it’s more accurately described as “what”, rather than who.
Western values, i.e. modern secular ethics, were based upon the philosophy of the white man, or so it was called- the so-called “white man’s burden”, for instance, when it came to the crusades and colonialism; there’s plenty of literature on this from the enlightenment period, so it seem as you’re the one who seemingly doesn’t get it. Remember, the supposed separation of Church and State, wherein neither informs the other?
@@marcwinfield1541It's the Jews !
Murdoch has a lot to answer for.
The grave awaits for him, and it'll only get worse from there.
And the evil old bastard will die without paying for any of it, like Henry Kissinger. The devil really does look after his own, it seems.
We the public must bycott his papers .
Ain’t that the truth !
Legendary journalist last of a kind best of real honest British values
I heard he sat by while watching Pakistanis introduce thousands of British girls to Islamic "culture".
@@catch22ash I heard he likes mushrooms too
I heard he takes naps on Wednesday..
@@catch22ash This the same Pakistanis that got away with the orphanage ongoings or the ones that fly out to Thailand where it’s a bit easier to get away with it nowadays?
Great interview. Murdoch is a monster but those who allowed themselves to be corrupted by him are equally as bad. So good to hear two intelligent, honest decent human beings engage in an important conversation. Why is there not more men like this?
7:00 George Orwell....what a visionary he was!! Superb interview!
Enjoyed the conversation immensely! 😊
Уже в начале 90-х западные обозреватели, ошалевшие от счастья, что коммунисты в лице СССР побеждены, живо обсуждали вопрос о выборе следующего врага и говорили, что в 21 веке им будет будет ислам.
Actually I remember that.
Peter Oborne epitomises the type of Briton England likes to pretend is the norm in the corridors of power. Unfortunately, he epitomises the exception rather than the rule and that just makes him all the more a treasure! Someone of similar intellect and integrity, who once graced the House of Commons, was Tony Benn.
Peter Oborne is a decent honourable and principled man.
I WOULD not have expected this from you guys, please make more and thank you MEE
It's just that the Peter Obornes of this world are few and far between...
Those who have occupied the positions that he has had in the past are pretty much supporters of the status quo at any cost; while here and there we find rare individuals with principles, integrity, as well as empathy.
That's pretty rare in mainstream media, which is why he has had to migrate to independent media instead.
@@modenadue7690 my sentiments exactly. Thank you for clarifying that. Blessings of Light and Benevolence to All here.
From The River to The Sea……💙🦋💙🦋🙏🏼
Alhamdulilah the more people are against the closer I get to Islam تَكْبِير
You are already corrupted by Islam. Silly
We dont care😂😂😂
@Cross_heart09 u are responding so it means you do😂
@@sisterkhadija8888 true 🤣
الله أكبر
Peter and his brother alex who's pass away the most out spoken and supporting Palestinians people's up front 👏
Richard Nixon:
"As we develop our policies to engage the Muslim world, we must begin with respect and understanding for peoples who feel that they have been misunderstood, discriminated against, and exploited by Western powers. We should not try to impose our values on them. Though the Muslim world lags behind the West in political development -- only two Muslim nations have democratic governments -- our civilization is not inherently superior to theirs. The people of the Muslim world were more resilient against the appeal of communism than those of the West, and their widespread rejection of the materialism and moral permissiveness of Western culture redounds to their credit.
@abuhijjra Thank you for sharing! Nixon knew the Truth…….Bless his Soul. Respect.
From the River to the Sea……💙🦋💙🦋🙏🏼
The Watergate crook? That's some character reference.
@@duibheasaoreilly167that's better than Hitler admiring America for the Native Indian gen*cide 😂
Muslims will be more resilient against any ideology that isn't Islam, of course. Their entire way of life and thought derives from it. There are no other alternatives.
You know there was a certain German leader in the middle of the 20th century who also quite liked Islam for how violent it was compared to Christianity!
Great conversation. Will be getting his book in sha Allah.
So heartening to hear such forthright honesty and challenge to all that is corrupt in the UK govt / media. Much needed. Thank you.
" A Lucrative Career out of making a narrative of Civilizations Clash " No one has said it better.
Free speech is the right to disrespect Islam
But no one can dare have free speech against Israel. Democracy is hypocrisy.
The Islamic notion that they can declare speech as blasphemy and condone murder. The idea that someone should be murdered for damaging or burning a book. These say all we need to. Free speech, personal freedom, can never give way religious sensitivity.
Islamophobia is defined as an irrational fear of Islam. So it would be culturally beneficial to understand the ancient culture and peoples of Islam.
Nobody needs Islam
Don't waste your time you will get the shock of your life nothing like the garbage, Osborne says here
I think it would be helpful, and were are peaceful, democratic Islamic movements and political Islam that Osborne mentions? Are these compatible with separation of state and church?
I used to fear Islam irrationally. Then I read the quran and hadith. Now I realize my fears were rational haha
Nothing wrong in Hating Islam or any religion
Our politicians are all talking about how Christian they are and how they live by Christian values. I didn't think that Christianity was a religion of permanent war. Maybe I missed something.
Why don't Muslims recognize Surah Al-Ma'idah 5 - 20/ 21 which clearly states that Jews have every right to live in the lands of Israel?
@ErnChildofJesus yes, they have a right to live in Israel just as they did, alongside Muslims, Christians and other religions, for centuries before 1948.
The problem now is that the Zionist government want ONLY Jews living in israel and all other religions to be expelled at any cost 😢
Thank you for speaking the truth. 🙏
When moral guidance comes from Society/Gov't, it'll reject Islam in totality. But when moral Guidance is depicted from the Creator, no doubt Islam is the way of life.
"Interaction and entanglement" - serious understatement.
Evidence made him change his mind.. His humanity made him change his mind.. Truth made him change his mind.
All of us are one, but foolishly divided by religion, prejudice, ego and borders .
I totally agree
What a great conversation, sane, truthful and enlightening
At the ten minute mark he claims that the prophet Muhmmed was a great teacher of wisdom and morality. I had to laugh so hard about these STUPID comment. Prophet Mohammed = Rapist and this is NOT a morality I would recommend. What do you think?
Time to turn off these video it is a waste of time.
Excellent analysis everyone peace loving person should hear this.
I'm heartened that not all in the top eschelons of British journalism espouse the dominant narrative that marginalises and demonises a section of our society. Thank you for this interview and thank you Peter Oborne
Thank you Peter Oborne🙏
Samuel Huntington, Bernard Lewis's pupil, has issued a false theory about "Clash of civilizations," which was corrected by Roger Garaudy.
Really interesting interview, agree with some things, think he misses some things but to be expected. Key thing I took from this is the weight words have when used, and believe this lack of understanding causes a lot of reactions that would not otherwise happen.
At the ten minute mark he claims that the prophet Muhmmed was a great teacher of wisdom and morality. I had to laugh so hard about these STUPID comment. Prophet Mohammed = Rapist and this is NOT a morality I would recommend. What do you think?
Time to turn off these video it is a waste of time.
Good to here a balanced view thankyou
I should like to hear Peter in debate with Douglas Murray.
Douglas Murray??? Peter obourne is a real journalist.
Gutless Murray is upgated evil and doesn't deserve to debate the respectifull men like Mr.Obourne
Murray has the knowledge and is well educated, whatever you think of his opinion. 🙄
Please stop disrespecting this great journalist. Douglas Murray is a nobody.
@@paulamarsh1You DO realise Murray works for Israel lobby? Thats not conspiracy, just do some research on Jackson Society. Murray speaks eloquently but that’s as far it goes. Maybe his eyebrow thing too.
Great interview
Islam is the light to guide humanity towards the best in this world and the next.
Only darkness islam give
@@Cross_heart09exactly
@Cross_heart09 your English is horrible.
How?? @@Cross_heart09
@@MrJohnybirchallhave you tried to read our holy Quran?
You're not a kid right? Don't choose to be ignorant 😩
Thank you Peter Oborne. Much respect.
Thanks so much for posting.
Wonderful discussion. Amazing book. Highly recommended. A very humane and principled human being,a true English gentleman.
God bless you Peter 🙏
You should talk about politics in Muslim countries. People who are Muslim suffers more from their own politicians This sounds like bla bla bla to me.
Thier politician do not follow Islam the right way thats why.
As if people in western democracies are not suffering their politicians.
Fascinating.
Im pretty high...so that might be adding a detached interest dimention for me but I am finding this all pretty fascinating right now....
The things going on in this world ....its just un f%^king real
Really interesting conversation!
At the ten minute mark he claims that the prophet Muhmmed was a great teacher of wisdom and morality. I had to laugh so hard about these STUPID comment. Prophet Mohammed = Rapist and this is NOT a morality I would recommend. What do you think?
Time to turn off these video it is a waste of time.
Secular liberalism is the problem , we all need a reformation of our societies towards a more ethical (religious for Muslim countries) society
Secularism is not the problem. Manipulation of the ignorant is the problem.
Securalism is fine. Not everyone wants to live in a religious theocracy.
@@paulheydarian1281 Secularism isn’t fine. It causes more suffering than anything else
@@paulheydarian1281 just listen to Wael Hallaq « beyond secularism and islamism »
@@commontouch1787 desire causes suffering, said the Buddha ! 🤣
I wonder how the school teacher feels up north still in hiding..?...😢
Much respect to the gentleman for really being a truth seeker and truth teller.
Well said peter ❤
Peter explained it well 👌
Thank you Mr. Oborne, always a great pleasure hearing your words.
A question: West or Vatican?
Nothing happens in a vacuum.. People are fed up with people who commit such acts in our name with our money and resources.
Several countries have laws or regulations that restrict or penalize conversion from Islam to other religions, including:
1. Saudi Arabia: Apostasy laws prescribe death penalty for leaving Islam.
2. Afghanistan: Conversion from Islam is considered apostasy, punishable by death or imprisonment.
3. Pakistan: Blasphemy laws, while not specifically targeting conversion, can lead to accusations and violence against those leaving Islam.
4. Somalia: Conversion from Islam is illegal and punishable by death.
5. Yemen: Apostasy laws prescribe death penalty for leaving Islam.
6. Brunei: Sharia law, introduced in 2014, prescribes death by stoning for apostasy.
7. Sudan: Conversion from Islam is punishable by death.
8. Mauritania: Apostasy laws prescribe death penalty for leaving Islam.
9. Qatar: Conversion from Islam is illegal and punishable by imprisonment.
10. United Arab Emirates: Conversion from Islam is illegal and punishable by imprisonment.
11. Malaysia: While not strictly illegal, conversion from Islam is heavily restricted and can lead to state-sanctioned rehabilitation programs.
12. Egypt: While not illegal, conversion from Islam can lead to social ostracism, family rejection, and legal challenges.
Please note that laws and regulations can change, and enforcement may vary. Additionally, social and cultural attitudes toward conversion can be just as influential as legal frameworks. This list is not exhaustive, and other countries may have similar laws or restrictions.
Indeed ignorance about Islam persists, as does the denial of the problems Islam poses.
I'm halfway through this interview, and it's shocking that neither host nor guest seems to attach any significance to the centuries-old imperialist quest to control West Asia for its natural resources, its cheap labor, and its markets for goods produced by the industrialed nations. Around the world the Europeans, including the US, have promoted justifications for their inhumane colonial behavior by stereotyping and demonizing the indigenous as subhuman. That stereotyping of the exploited is a classic way of oppressor groups to rationalize their inhumane behavior. Control of West Asia has huge geopolitical significance as it permits access to Africa, Eastern Europe, etc, and it yields great resources in oil as Halliburton recognized in the aughts.
Yes, and we have very often empowered the most extreme groups. So we can use them as proxies for our power games. As the peaceful groups tend to be less interested in dying for the empire.
Yes, but the vast majority of us know this and so know that this is part of the context of what they're discussing
I was very much on board with the conversation, until it veered into the usual righteous cliches about immigration - i.e. that any opposition to the policies that have created an explosion of migration into Europe in recent years is based purely on fear and bigotry, especially towards Islam, and that these challenges eminate entirely from the far right. The more this attitude persists, the more the very real problems of unchecked immigration and forced multiculturalism on European societies continue to grow.
Europe is facing the consequences of its invasions and colonisations; don't expect no return fee policy.
Why is questioning the Holocaust industry not free speech
It is in the US. Go off. It will make you look extremely simple minded and anyone with a modicum of success will disassociate themselves form you, but you are 100% fine to do it legally!
Love how you take comments down , because they speak the truth .
UA-cam's algorithims are fascinating!
Where is the like button, UA-cam?
Craig Murray asa guest?
17:22 Yeah maybe it is so powerfull because is truth.
"ON THE ROAD TO TRUTH... The Baton of truth lies on the path before you. The Trim Tab. That tiny little rudder that changes the direction of Everything else it is connected to. By doing a little something, - that particular something will end up completely changing the whole world in an unimaginable way. Time is the Currency of this physical life. Use it Wisely. " (Feargus O'Connor Greenwood).
From the river to the sea Palestine will be free
Because western don’t want there people know the truth. And in this case they can do there business well
We do know the truth that's the problem it's Islam that is stuck in the past
@user-ib8hi3om3m find out who was named after algebra algorithms chemistry.
The dark ages of western world was when islamic civilization was the light of the world but that is mot taught in class
@@user-ib8hi3om3m look we Muslim pray for you and your parents and your all other non Muslims foes you do for Muslims accept hatred killing genocide?
Is that why Islamic world backwards 😂
Everyone born as a Muslim who are talking against Islam they choose to be with saytan it’s there choice.
In next life will be all clear .
Samuel Huntington was right
Richard Nixon was not so Much Anti Islam but he was of course very pro democracy.
Richard was tricksy. 😅 He had good help.
Yeah tricked the public by sending Cambodia back to the Stone Age.
They do!
Douglas Murray is TOXIC! Rarely heard an individual so full of vitriol.
He's a frustrated pillow biter.😏
What about how the Muslim religious leaders talk about Islam ?
Who complained? Who shouted on the streets, promoting lunacy?
Who kept on murmuring? Who taught children to kill Israel?
Now you know. Study the KJV Holy Bible. Know the creator. Isaiah 41:8-13 NKJV
"But you, Israel, are My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, The descendants of Abraham My friend. [9] You whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, And called from its farthest regions, And said to you, 'You are My servant, I have chosen you and have not cast you away: [10] Fear not, for I am with you; Be not dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you, Yes, I will help you, I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.' [11] "Behold, all those who were incensed against you Shall be ashamed and disgraced; They shall be as nothing, And those who strive with you shall perish. [12] You shall seek them and not find them- Those who contended with you. Those who war against you Shall be as nothing, As a nonexistent thing. [13] For I, the LORD your God, will hold your right hand, Saying to you, 'Fear not, I will help you.'.,.
Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
God also says in the holy Quran that nobody has any superiority over each other.
Comedy gold!
Brainwashed and completely indoctrinated.
I think it dosn't account for a lot of very real problems. What about sexual violance, what about male power trips like baning woman from universities? What about freedom of speach re critics of religion? What about LGBT+ civil rights? What about etc.
You may need to re-watch this video to understand where your "whatabouts" came from.
@@AnyaMuslimah how so? Because they are real. There have been real problems with the killing of Samuel Party for example.
Western societies had to undergo a very long process to reach this consensus and muslims come from another cultrue and another religion, the point is will they truly adapt in? I am not saying that's not possible! I think it is. But there absuluty are muslims who do and those who don't want that.
First female university was built by muslims.
You expect Muslims to actually criticize themselves? They woulnd't be so underdeveloped if they could honestly criticize themselves and improve! What they are going to do is blame the West and anyone else who isn't themselves, so they will feel great while they stay backwards!
@catsaresocute650 All those things you mentioned happened or continue to happen in ALL societies for one reason or another. You would find that it's culture before anything else (especially if they are conservative).
I don't know if you meant you wish to see those topics discussed in general or with the view of the religion in mind. I can only comment on the religious perspective.
These are all things Europe and Christianity had gone through until a few decades ago. It was only until the later 1900s that Europeans women were allowed to go to university (or even go to war). Muslim women had been going to universities well over a thousand years before European women were able to do so-mostly of Christian backgrounds. The first institutionalised universities and hospital were founded by Muslims in Muslim countries. To this day Muslim women go to universities if they want to - anyone preventing them would be doing so from their own standpoint whether it may be cultural or personal as there is nothing in the faith that generally prevents them from doing so.
Remember how European women used to dress in say the 1950s compared to now? It would be obscene if the women then dressed like many of those now (i.e. you can't force change to norms of societies).
As far as I know from research, the most sexual violence cases reported by region or continent was Europe and North America, especially East Europe. And this was both during and after their religious periods, which would be Christian? However, I'm not going to saying it is because I'm not going to overgeneralise entire populations. Other larger regions/continents have less reports, maybe because they aren't as secular and are grounded in their principles or faith that don't allow the escalation of domestic violence. Reasons aren't as clear.
LGBTQ+ rights are still contested amongst many practising Christians, Jews, etc. to this day and is even mentioned to go against their Scriptures - so this cannot be pinned on faith/another faith for properly practising what they preach. I doubt Jesus would just change the message to suit the modern society. It's only as the western countries became more secular and less religious, that they started opening up to these ideas and rights which is mostly the past 15 years really, especially after Obama.
Critics of religions exist in Muslim countries. However, criticising any faith will receive backlash from adherents of thar faith regardless. There is a difference in criticism, hatred/defamation and outright blasphemy. Some countries treat blasphemy harsher.
In India, Hindus lynch the religious minorities (mostly Muslims) to this day and the government don't care. The same happened in Burma/Myanmar. Remember the Rohingya or the Uighurs in China? In America, they used to treat people of other backgrounds as subhuman and often kill them (outside of slavery) - those sentiments still last to many supremacists to this day. Hitler, in his book Mein Kampf states he is a Christian - and what did he do? Because of that many Germans have a similar ideology. In France, they are basically trying to remove Muslims and stop them from practising their religion. The same in China and even Korea. There is no white supremacy equivalent in the Middle East, only national pride or a supremacist view of that standpoint but not regionally or racially
Many eastern countries of non-Abrahamic faith, whether religious or secular, do not accept LGBTQ+. They may go as far as the G part but nothing more, the rest is generally banned in most Asian countries. Why? Because they are accustomed to their traditions where this is not the normality. Even the G relationships have to be done discreetly in a lot of cases - whilst it may be becomimg accepted to see, it's not accepted fully in the scale of reality (i.e. interviews and polls in those countries show many parents don't want their children to be in such groups AND that's not just the LGBT community but religious and other communities which are not practised as the norms there). Gay people have existed in communities for many centuries but everything else the LGBTQ+ community represents, not really.
Majority conservative Christians and Jews don't agree with LGBTQ+ rights. Because it goes against their faith. Likewise with Islam, there won't really be much traction. It's more of a you can do what you want with your children but don't go pushing the LGBTQ+ agenda to the Middle East-practically the most conservative countries in the world by culture irrespective of religions (you can see many Christians of the region take the same stance).
In other words, the discussion wouldn't have gotten very far because there are counter examples, whereas the topic of the video is long-rooted in the history of Europe from the middle ages to this day.
I agree with Osborne. But without addressing the biological roots of human fear and survival instincts, these cultural and historical ideas have you chasing your own tail. The problem cannot be solved until it is accurately understood and defined.
In his book titled “Islam at the Crossroads” on page 49 published in 1934, Muhammad Asad said that “many of Western civilizations historical experiences are deeply tinged by a strange animosity towards Islam.
To some extent, this also is an inheritance from Europe's antiquity. The Greeks and the Romans regarded only themselves as "civilized", while everything foreign, and particularly everything living to the east of the Mediterranean, bore the label "barbarian". Since that time the Occidentals have believed that their racial superiority over the rest of mankind is a matter of fact, and the more or less pronounced contempt for non-European races and nations is one of the standing features of Western civilization.
This alone, however, is not enough to explain its feeling as regards Islam. Here, and here alone, the Western attitude is not one of mere indifference, as in the case of other "foreign" religions and cultures: it is one of deep-rooted and almost fanatical aversion, and it is not only intellectual but bears an intensely emotional tint. The West may not accept the doctrines of Buddhist or Hindu philosophy, but it will always preserve a balanced, reflective attitude of mind with regard to those systems. As soon, however, as it turns towards Islam, the balance is disturbed and an emotional bias creeps in” (Islam at the Crossroads, p. 49).
The reason for that is quite simple: follow the money. IT is the Middle East, the Muslim countries, that have the oil which creates the energy that the West needs, wants and craves and without that their people would turn against them & as elected leaders, they want to keep the masses happy so they can continue in their cushy job of oppressing everybody.
The Muslims have defeated European military forces more than once, they have raw materials like oil coveted by Christian imperialism, they command a crucial position in terms of geopolitical strategy in their access to Africa, Central and southern Europe, Russian lands, the Indian ocean, the European countries deep down know how reliant their scientific, mathematical, cultural, philosophical, etc., development has been on West Asian achievements, and Islam has successfully competed with Christianity as a faith, outstripping the latter's growth in recent times.
Yes, now you can't even defeat dysgenic half breed Jews in the heart of the Levant.@@starrbowie8649
I should have added to the reasons for the tenacity of the bigotry against Islam, Iranians, and Arabs that the anti-semitism against Jews that has either hibernated, percolated, or erupted over centuries in Europe (and hence in its former colonies like the US) has striking parallels with stereotypes of Muslims, Arabs, and Iranians, so that when western imperialist powers want to arouse public support for incursions, financial/economic pressure like sanctions, or other coercive measures to gain control of West Asian lands, they can easily press buttons already in place. Ironically and in stupefying oblivion as to the danger for Jews of keeping such stereotypes alive in the west, since the foundation of Israel Zionists of all faiths (Zionism is a political belief in the right of Jews to form and maintain a nation in the historic Palestinian homeland) have sought to publicize these repellent stereotypes: 1) the rich, ruthless Arab sheik parallels the rich, greedy Jewish banker or merchant, 2) the ubiquitous cartoon depiction of the fat, super-hairy, beady-eyed, giant-nosed Arab or Iranian closely echoes Nazi caricatures of Jews, 3) the Arab oil cartel, and, to some extent, the alleged terrorist networks bent on world domination parallel the cabal referenced in the Protocols of Zion, 4) the oppression of women and access to harems parallel alleged Jewish lust for gentile women, the younger and more virginal the better, 5) aggression towards infidels based in an exclusionary belief in Allah as the one true god parallels Jewish belief in their chosenness for rule and influence by the one true god, and 6) the disposition to cruelty and general savagery parallels the blood libel whereby Jews ceremonially drink the blood of gentile babies.
It must be all those bombs
Because France 🇫🇷 the French colonization was harsh and brutal. So, there is no wonder why France is most harsh against Muslims these days.
The frogs 🐸 badly needed to spread their cheese eating surrender culture.
The wonder is how they even allowed Muslims to take over whole areas ! Ditto Denmark and Sweden...we don't see Parisians packing up to live in Baghdad or Kabul, I wonder why ..? 🤣
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Not bad.. A few incorrect points but overall good.
At the ten minute mark he claims that the prophet Muhmmed was a great teacher of wisdom and morality. I had to laugh so hard about these STUPID comment. Prophet Mohammed = Rapist and this is NOT a morality I would recommend. What do you think?
Time to turn off these video it is a waste of time.
14:10 - Yemen, Iran, Islamic State etc.?
20mins in and the lies peddled here is astonishing
Lee Rigby would have enjoyed this interview with kuffar Oborne were he to still have a head on his shoulders. Sura 47 the Holy Book says quote . ' When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast the fetters.'. Nothing wrong with that is there ?
25:14 Yeah in a secular democracy it is extremist or what you want a totalitarian Muslim Theocracy? Would you also be ok with Christians bringing their religion into politics?
The truth will out.
Poor Peter. He might actually believe half of what he’s saying. If I didn’t know better I might even believe him.
This guy is the British Oliver Stone
You should interview Jahangir Akbar, the only teacher banned in Trojan Horse.
Genital mutilations are disgusting.
Not Islamic, just another lie told to make people like you feel and spread hatred. Your only hurting yourself by believing it.
It's not disgusting if you use your teeth. 😬
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It's not an Islamic act.The enemies of Islam who operate in Muslim countries in Africa are responsible with this atrocious practice.
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A talking animal , in this channel huh..!?
@@haticeergun7618 not true there are hadiths about fgm. Also when I wrote about genital mutilations I mean girls and boys.
I agree that there is a prejudice against Muslims in the West, but this almost hour long conversation said nothing about what Islam is really like. It just bashed Western writers who bash Muslims. Big disappointment.
Then ask away! Plenty of people would love to help you out.
But you can’t expect an hour Long discussion to cover *every* relevant matter there is, for which there’s ample material online- it’s a mere discussion, not a 4 hour long lecture.
At the ten minute mark he claims that the prophet Muhmmed was a great teacher of wisdom and morality. I had to laugh so hard about these STUPID comment. Prophet Mohammed = Rapist and this is NOT a morality I would recommend. What do you think?
Time to turn off these video it is a waste of time.
What is Islam really like? & why - if you already know which is why you know the interview left it out - do you need the interview to discuss what it is really like? Pray, do tell?
@@HitchcockTheSnail The title is misleading. And I know I don't know much about it and I don't have time to do research so I was disappointed.That's all. No big deal.
Great conversation. Important topic AND missing a few facts. Islam by the Ottoman Turks DID occupy half of Europe from Hungary to Istambul, for some nations right up until a 100 tears ago.
The difficulty is that people in the so called West tend to exchange West -colonizing- Europe with the Whole of Europe when talking about Europe. Secondly, islam occupied in a 100 tears time with arabic background from India to Marocco and Iberia. So there IS a memory. For modern day islam. Yes the West did intervene many times. But mostly due to oil and gas and world economic power, rather than the elevating ideology of democracy. Which I endorse fully but also know how its sacred appeal is undermined by the hypocrosy of using it as a cover for hidden non democratic use
Why don't Muslims recognize Surah Al-Ma'idah 5 - 20/ 21 which clearly states that Jews have every right to live in the lands of Israel?
I listen to c p debate and learned that ur alla has two hands at the write side
Rupert murdock only out of public eye but still in the background I bet.
Another thought: He should talk with Robert Spencer and would learn the real truth what is in the Quran. That would be a great t surprise to him.