I've had a similar situation with a thermostat located very inconveniently, like your downstairs hallway one. I then replaced it with a wireless option and moved the actual thermostat that measures the temperature to a better suited room, which totally solved the problem.
That's actually another Tado feature I forgot to include - you can buy their "Wireless Temperature Sensor" and use that to measure the temperature for a room from a location other than the thermostat or TRV.
Surprised they're still sending out the old kit when Tado X is supposed to be coming to the UK in November. I tried Tado originally but didn't like it's reliance on the cloud. Ended up with Drayton Wiser which has a great Home Assistant integration and can opperate fully without the internet
I actually discussed this with Tado, everything for this video was arranged before Tado X was announced - the plan is to continue selling the V3+ system as a more budget range and then sell Tado X as the more "premium" option.
@@camerongray1515 Gotcha, that makes sense! Hope to see a review of Tado X too 😉Super excited Tado to have Matter and Thread. My biggest gripe with Tado was all the devices needed to be in range of the hub. Be nice to see this resolved with thread. Maybe they'll be able to entice me back!
Greate video! I've been very happy with my Tado install, and recently added more TRVs around the house. Worth noting that if you don't want to pay for the subscription and you have Home Assistant, you can replicate the home / away and open window detection really easily: there are two "preset modes" for home / away which are easy to switch in an automation, and every thermostat / TRV publishes an 'open window' sensor which you can trigger off.
We've had Tado for a good few years (we're grandfathered in to the subscription features for free), it's been very good and this year when we had our boiler replaced I got the last radiators setup with TRV valves so every radiator has a thermostat. Our house also needed the Extension Kit to control the hot water. It also nicely ties in with both Apple HomeKit and Home Assistant. We do notice that the radiator valves will see-saw as the temperature sensor in the valve picks up the sudden change when the radiator comes on and then close the valve, the room will not be warm though and as the radiator cools again the sensor triggers the heating again and it will slowly rise up, to get around this in more important rooms like bedrooms and the lounge we purchased the separate temperature sensors and put them elsewhere in the rooms to get a more accurate reading.
Tado is the absolute dogs bollocks, i love mine. Its a bit dumb they pulled the openthem as standard from the kits in the UK. I know you can get it, but not in the kits.
They now sell the "EU" wireless receiver in the UK as an option so at least you don't need to import one. I think it's because the UK wireless receiver has additional relays for hot water control which is quite common over here. Of course the wired thermostats like the one I have here also support OpenTherm.
I installed this same Thermostat on Viessman Combi, in OpenTherm mode, but I had to purchase the EU version (available on Tado) which differs from GB version
That's a good point! The wired thermostats all support OpenTherm but with the wireless ones you need the EU receiver for OpenTherm or alternatively the UK version if you want hot water control (but without OpenTherm)
I spoke to Tado after they announced X (since this video was already arranged and I had already received the V3+ kit). The plan is to continue selling V3+ for a while as a more budget option and then sell X as a premium option with things such as Matter support. Hopefully they'll put out a detailed feature comparison to help you decide.
How is the home assistant compatibility? I think I saw an integration for tado, but do you have any plans to use that? (It would be delightful if you could use automations to get around that window detecting paid thing) Also this might be a solution for me - my heating seems so overly comicated with 2 heating zones, a hot water tank, underfloor heating zones (part of one of the 2 heating zones) and then a combi boiler. The email support sounds brilliant, and I think I might just see what they would recommend!
I'll probably need to do a separate video to cover it in detail. It either works with the Tado integration which uses the cloud API or can use local control over HomeKit. The HomeKit integration is nice in that it gives much more frequent updates, however any change you make will be seen as a manual change to a thermostat and you'd need to use the app to switch back to using the schedule. So if you wanted to use HomeKit exclusively you'd need to do all the scheduling within Home Assistant and then not use the Tado app. For now I'm using the cloud integration then will probably move the scheduling over to HA and switch to the HomeKit integration when I have time.
recommendation is to keep the wires disconnected in the back. Unless you 100% know they are not connected on the other end .... they could be - and could cause problems (or bang)
In my mind that's a reason to explicitly connect them to the parking terminals (of course with each wire in it's own terminal). The parking terminals are designed to take live wires, they don't connect to anything, nor connect to each other. That way it's completely safe if any wires were to become live. Much safer than having random live wires floating around inside a wall. For example, if you left an old neutral and CPC floating around in the wall - if they ever moved and touched each other your RCD will trip and you'll have a nightmare trying to track down the issue!
I'll probably need to do a separate video to cover it in detail. It either works with the Tado integration which uses the cloud API or can use local control over HomeKit. The HomeKit integration is nice in that it gives much more frequent updates, however any change you make will be seen as a manual change to a thermostat and you'd need to use the app to switch back to using the schedule. So if you wanted to use HomeKit exclusively you'd need to do all the scheduling within Home Assistant and then not use the Tado app. For now I'm using the cloud integration then will probably move the scheduling over to HA and switch to the HomeKit integration when I have time.
@@camerongray1515 Yeh i dont like it ether but as you say you plug it in once and you are done. Its the same with my octopus home mini , its annoying but as you will only plug it in once its not the end of the world.
Forced air heating is unheard of in the UK, personally I've never really seen the appeal, especially when it's not combined with AC which also is rare in the UK. If anything, high end properties are moving more towards underfloor water based heating, not forced air. UK houses are also smaller than in the US so the space taken up by ducts and forced air furnaces is not ideal. On the other hand, all I have is a gas boiler mounted half way up my garage wall (many houses have them inside kitchen cupboards instead)
@@camerongray1515 I live in Southern Ontario Canada. Have gas forced air with AC. It's pretty much a necessity. Winter will get to -40 C and summer will be over 30 C for months on end. Basements are in almost every home here so the furnace/blower lives in the basement, as does the water heater, either tankless or otherwise. A lot of North American homes are moving to heat pump systems, especially in places where Natural Gas isn't an option.
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I've had a similar situation with a thermostat located very inconveniently, like your downstairs hallway one. I then replaced it with a wireless option and moved the actual thermostat that measures the temperature to a better suited room, which totally solved the problem.
That's actually another Tado feature I forgot to include - you can buy their "Wireless Temperature Sensor" and use that to measure the temperature for a room from a location other than the thermostat or TRV.
Surprised they're still sending out the old kit when Tado X is supposed to be coming to the UK in November. I tried Tado originally but didn't like it's reliance on the cloud. Ended up with Drayton Wiser which has a great Home Assistant integration and can opperate fully without the internet
I actually discussed this with Tado, everything for this video was arranged before Tado X was announced - the plan is to continue selling the V3+ system as a more budget range and then sell Tado X as the more "premium" option.
@@camerongray1515 Gotcha, that makes sense! Hope to see a review of Tado X too 😉Super excited Tado to have Matter and Thread. My biggest gripe with Tado was all the devices needed to be in range of the hub. Be nice to see this resolved with thread. Maybe they'll be able to entice me back!
I use Wiser with home assistant for the last few years and absolutely love it too
Greate video! I've been very happy with my Tado install, and recently added more TRVs around the house. Worth noting that if you don't want to pay for the subscription and you have Home Assistant, you can replicate the home / away and open window detection really easily: there are two "preset modes" for home / away which are easy to switch in an automation, and every thermostat / TRV publishes an 'open window' sensor which you can trigger off.
We've had Tado for a good few years (we're grandfathered in to the subscription features for free), it's been very good and this year when we had our boiler replaced I got the last radiators setup with TRV valves so every radiator has a thermostat. Our house also needed the Extension Kit to control the hot water. It also nicely ties in with both Apple HomeKit and Home Assistant.
We do notice that the radiator valves will see-saw as the temperature sensor in the valve picks up the sudden change when the radiator comes on and then close the valve, the room will not be warm though and as the radiator cools again the sensor triggers the heating again and it will slowly rise up, to get around this in more important rooms like bedrooms and the lounge we purchased the separate temperature sensors and put them elsewhere in the rooms to get a more accurate reading.
I also have Tado, it's really good and easy to use!
Awesome as always mate 👍🏼
Tado is the absolute dogs bollocks, i love mine. Its a bit dumb they pulled the openthem as standard from the kits in the UK. I know you can get it, but not in the kits.
They now sell the "EU" wireless receiver in the UK as an option so at least you don't need to import one. I think it's because the UK wireless receiver has additional relays for hot water control which is quite common over here. Of course the wired thermostats like the one I have here also support OpenTherm.
I installed this same Thermostat on Viessman Combi, in OpenTherm mode, but I had to purchase the EU version (available on Tado) which differs from GB version
That's a good point! The wired thermostats all support OpenTherm but with the wireless ones you need the EU receiver for OpenTherm or alternatively the UK version if you want hot water control (but without OpenTherm)
Been looking forward for this one, think we’ll be getting these too, instead of the X
I spoke to Tado after they announced X (since this video was already arranged and I had already received the V3+ kit). The plan is to continue selling V3+ for a while as a more budget option and then sell X as a premium option with things such as Matter support. Hopefully they'll put out a detailed feature comparison to help you decide.
How is the home assistant compatibility? I think I saw an integration for tado, but do you have any plans to use that? (It would be delightful if you could use automations to get around that window detecting paid thing)
Also this might be a solution for me - my heating seems so overly comicated with 2 heating zones, a hot water tank, underfloor heating zones (part of one of the 2 heating zones) and then a combi boiler. The email support sounds brilliant, and I think I might just see what they would recommend!
I'll probably need to do a separate video to cover it in detail. It either works with the Tado integration which uses the cloud API or can use local control over HomeKit. The HomeKit integration is nice in that it gives much more frequent updates, however any change you make will be seen as a manual change to a thermostat and you'd need to use the app to switch back to using the schedule. So if you wanted to use HomeKit exclusively you'd need to do all the scheduling within Home Assistant and then not use the Tado app. For now I'm using the cloud integration then will probably move the scheduling over to HA and switch to the HomeKit integration when I have time.
52:42 Looks like they didn't even tell the app developers about the limit given the uncaught error message
recommendation is to keep the wires disconnected in the back.
Unless you 100% know they are not connected on the other end .... they could be - and could cause problems (or bang)
In my mind that's a reason to explicitly connect them to the parking terminals (of course with each wire in it's own terminal). The parking terminals are designed to take live wires, they don't connect to anything, nor connect to each other. That way it's completely safe if any wires were to become live. Much safer than having random live wires floating around inside a wall. For example, if you left an old neutral and CPC floating around in the wall - if they ever moved and touched each other your RCD will trip and you'll have a nightmare trying to track down the issue!
Home assistant support?
I'll probably need to do a separate video to cover it in detail. It either works with the Tado integration which uses the cloud API or can use local control over HomeKit. The HomeKit integration is nice in that it gives much more frequent updates, however any change you make will be seen as a manual change to a thermostat and you'd need to use the app to switch back to using the schedule. So if you wanted to use HomeKit exclusively you'd need to do all the scheduling within Home Assistant and then not use the Tado app. For now I'm using the cloud integration then will probably move the scheduling over to HA and switch to the HomeKit integration when I have time.
Micro USB 😒
I didn’t even bother watching the video after seeing ‘micro USB’ 😅
Of course USB-C would be nice, but it's a hub that you'll plug in once and probably never touch again, it's really not a big deal.
@@camerongray1515their newest product line (Tado X) has USB-C now
@@camerongray1515 Yeh i dont like it ether but as you say you plug it in once and you are done. Its the same with my octopus home mini , its annoying but as you will only plug it in once its not the end of the world.
I was today years old when I learned the UK still doesn't use forced air in new builds.
Forced air heating is unheard of in the UK, personally I've never really seen the appeal, especially when it's not combined with AC which also is rare in the UK. If anything, high end properties are moving more towards underfloor water based heating, not forced air. UK houses are also smaller than in the US so the space taken up by ducts and forced air furnaces is not ideal. On the other hand, all I have is a gas boiler mounted half way up my garage wall (many houses have them inside kitchen cupboards instead)
@@camerongray1515 I live in Southern Ontario Canada. Have gas forced air with AC. It's pretty much a necessity. Winter will get to -40 C and summer will be over 30 C for months on end. Basements are in almost every home here so the furnace/blower lives in the basement, as does the water heater, either tankless or otherwise.
A lot of North American homes are moving to heat pump systems, especially in places where Natural Gas isn't an option.
Forced air is only worth it if you cool as well , not common in the UK.
Basic system can't measure or control stored tank hot water. Go sonoff
The wired thermostats can't as they are designed for combi boilers. The UK wireless kit supports hot water control.