Everyone loves to bring up how zain destroys hbox but people need to talk about how mango is a free win for zain. Mango hasnt beaten zain since ludwigs tournament in 2022 and has lost 11 sets in a row with 5 sets being 3-0s. It looks like a new record of mango not winning a major is on the horizon unless he dodges zain.
There were a couple of key edge guards that Zain missed against Mango’s falco in that tournament. Online latency means falco’s side B actually becomes a very difficult option to cover reliably on reaction.
Well he usually only beats zain with Fox and hasn't played zain with fox since 22 like you said. I think mang0 will get better this year and beat zain a few sets but as soon as he stops grinding it will return to this
7:44 Funny that I happened to catch this, but if you watch, Zain does the exact same 3-move sequence twice in a row. He gets hit out of the startup on utilt the second time though.
dang mang0 had god tier recoveries and edge guards, even better than usual, but despite everything Zain got the 3-0 the sets from these guys are just THE best
@@GUT5SIf he solo mained Falco, he would struggle with some matchups, particularly HBox and aMSa. I think being a dual main suits him better. Additionally, him going Fox against Zain is a much better move, given how his Falco hasn’t beaten Zain in an IRL tournament since December 2021.
Zain makes fox/marth look so free for marth. His Marth vortex is just so well practiced and he knows how to take one hit and take it to a spike or edgeguard. Zain when playing well is just too good to stop.
>Mango gets 3-0'd >commentators spend the entire time hyping up everything mango does Hmw didnt even let himself say mango wasnt in his prime at the beginning Lmao. Melee community leaders have such a weird parasocial relationship with this guy. Its cringe
it's true, but i just came to accept it on commentary years ago. the only player where they discuss how much effort he's bothering to put it, how his mental relationship with the game is doing. what's currently going on in his life outside the game. How much patience or energy he currently has etc etc.
@@GUT5S Not gonna comment on whether he should go falco or fox but online (these days particularly) absolutely doesn’t count. Compared to something like Goml, Mango and Zain are giving maybe 5% as much effort for any online tournament in 2024. The results mean little.
Took them a minute and 40 seconds to acknowledge something the players did and it was "snuck a back air". Not asking for the Charlotte hornets commentators but fucking hell at least pretend youre watching the game of a top 8 major.
@@twot2224 When you overwhelmingly focus on only one of the players no matter who they go up against, it becomes glazing, and glazing is completely irrelevant. HMW is the only one who actually focused a somewhat fair amount on Zain, the other two just need to go. They're worthless.
@@shinji136 glazing = irrelevant does not logically follow at all. if you're just talking about one person in the match. that might be bad commentary but it's not irrelevant. it's one sided, not irrelevant. you're still talking about the match, and the players in it. just with an obvious bias. how is that irrelevant? and vish talked plenty about zain. if anything hmw (with love) is one of the biggest mango glazers on commentary.
Everyone loves to bring up how zain destroys hbox but people need to talk about how mango is a free win for zain. Mango hasnt beaten zain since ludwigs tournament in 2022 and has lost 11 sets in a row with 5 sets being 3-0s. It looks like a new record of mango not winning a major is on the horizon unless he dodges zain.
It was online so it doesn't count for everyone, but Mango beat zain at matcha cup last week
@@millerwrighttmango is an online master
@@millerwrighttonline accomplishments in almost any “esport” mean very little
There were a couple of key edge guards that Zain missed against Mango’s falco in that tournament. Online latency means falco’s side B actually becomes a very difficult option to cover reliably on reaction.
Well he usually only beats zain with Fox and hasn't played zain with fox since 22 like you said. I think mang0 will get better this year and beat zain a few sets but as soon as he stops grinding it will return to this
You can tell by the video length that Mango probably got 3-0'd :(
We need spoiler free gaming videos
Don't worry...from the amount of time the commentators spent talking about him you'd have thought it was a 3-0 for mango
Zain shut mango down at every turn. Even when it looked like it was going game 4. Mango be dancin' at the zain show
mang played well all things considered, few mistakes cost him games
Yea zain is just a monster
Mang0 was playing hot af sad to see him lose. ggs
Y’all remember when Mango was dominant over M2K Marth? Pepperidge Farm remembers
7:44
Funny that I happened to catch this, but if you watch, Zain does the exact same 3-move sequence twice in a row. He gets hit out of the startup on utilt the second time though.
Even though it was 3-0 a lot of the games were really close.
dang mang0 had god tier recoveries and edge guards, even better than usual, but despite everything Zain got the 3-0
the sets from these guys are just THE best
Mang0 getting 3-0'd by Zain. Name a more iconic duo.
shoulda went falco
And if he lost as falco, you would've said "shoulda went fox".
@@jasmithyantro9680nah bro wrong assumption, I wouldn't have, I fucking hate fox, I WISH he'd solo main falco
@@GUT5S His Falco also gets stomped by Zain. In fact, he has a worse win ratio vs Zain with falco than fox.
@@jasmithyantro9680Exactly. His Falco hasn’t beaten Zain since December 2021. That’s almost 3 years. He made the right choice going Fox.
@@GUT5SIf he solo mained Falco, he would struggle with some matchups, particularly HBox and aMSa. I think being a dual main suits him better. Additionally, him going Fox against Zain is a much better move, given how his Falco hasn’t beaten Zain in an IRL tournament since December 2021.
Zain makes fox/marth look so free for marth. His Marth vortex is just so well practiced and he knows how to take one hit and take it to a spike or edgeguard. Zain when playing well is just too good to stop.
Zain in friéndlies with Mang0:
:)
Zain in Bracket:
:^|
Mango looks sick. I've watched him play and this is definitely not his usual performance. And I'm sure Zain noticed this too.
>Mango gets 3-0'd
>commentators spend the entire time hyping up everything mango does
Hmw didnt even let himself say mango wasnt in his prime at the beginning
Lmao. Melee community leaders have such a weird parasocial relationship with this guy. Its cringe
mango is the scene
@@Pogra exhibit a. Its really freaking weird. He is just a player.
@@_archimedes not to most of the scene.
@@_archimedes Cry.
it's true, but i just came to accept it on commentary years ago. the only player where they discuss how much effort he's bothering to put it, how his mental relationship with the game is doing. what's currently going on in his life outside the game. How much patience or energy he currently has etc etc.
Glad Mango used Fox vs Zain. Way better than using his Falco
he literally 3-0d Zain with falco in Cody's tourney the fuck are you smoking
@@GUT5Sonline
@@GUT5S Not gonna comment on whether he should go falco or fox but online (these days particularly) absolutely doesn’t count. Compared to something like Goml, Mango and Zain are giving maybe 5% as much effort for any online tournament in 2024. The results mean little.
@GUT5S We counting online now? 💀
@@fupalovernot fully bit a lil bit
This is the type of losers run Zain career has been missing.
Agreed but would have been better if it included Cody
@@adrianreyes2318 Yeah. Not completely legit without cody. But still impressive
fete and full bloom were pretty impressive. i think i value fete over this one because it was the first and he had to beat amsa as well
Took them a minute and 40 seconds to acknowledge something the players did and it was "snuck a back air". Not asking for the Charlotte hornets commentators but fucking hell at least pretend youre watching the game of a top 8 major.
why you acting like they talking about something completely irrelevant lmao yall are so mad 😂
@@twot2224 Because they are talking about irrelevant stuff.
@@shinji136 talking about how well the players in the game are doing generally is irrelevant?
@@twot2224 When you overwhelmingly focus on only one of the players no matter who they go up against, it becomes glazing, and glazing is completely irrelevant. HMW is the only one who actually focused a somewhat fair amount on Zain, the other two just need to go. They're worthless.
@@shinji136 glazing = irrelevant does not logically follow at all. if you're just talking about one person in the match. that might be bad commentary but it's not irrelevant. it's one sided, not irrelevant. you're still talking about the match, and the players in it. just with an obvious bias. how is that irrelevant? and vish talked plenty about zain. if anything hmw (with love) is one of the biggest mango glazers on commentary.
"i think mango is the lebron of majors bro"
yea, hes overrated and washed up kekw
try playing against him dawg, then tell us he's washed lmao
Tell me you don’t watch basketball without telling me you don’t watch basketball. Bet you’re just a box score watcher huh?
Marth is lame as shit.
coming from metapod, that stings lol
@@LinearConvolution lmao
Found the Spacie glazer, LMFAO someone's been taking too many L's from Marth huh XD