Ngl jmook played way better in their winners quarters set this one the nerves really really came out. But Zain was able to play well enough to bring that out of him just like mango did to Zain at summit 11. If you go back and watch their winners set tho you can see so clearly jmook played nowhere near as well punish wise in this set.
@@wettuna1769 Yeah I mean that's how it goes when you're in grand finals of a supermajor. Jmook's two major wins were both over a year ago now, he had some kind of "fresh outlook" energy going on at the start of 2023 but he needs to rein his nerves back in now.
I feel like alot of it was kinda luck. They never intended it to be played this way. So many mechanics were added and they didn't account for how they'd overlap. So 20 years later new techniques can be found.
@@bobbykite8705I would argue it has and has subverted into a genre that I call a melee-like, where the movement is similar while having its own unique mechanics they exist but it's just that not enough people are playing them. Rivals of aether, Nickelodeon all stars brawl 2, and combo devils are some games that play just as well as melee with their own twist, The issue is that these games don't have the Nintendo IP to be popular enough to have players that will expand the meta, and the people that would appeal to the most (melee players) have the mentality of "this is fun, but why would I play this when I can just play melee a game that I put thousands of hours into and already enjoy enough without having to play a different game?" you have these really good deep games, but with very small fan bases due to this
@@thesmith201052 Part of it is the MU. Sheik is one of the few characters that is favored against Marth, but no Sheik main has won a major since as far back as I can remember. Furthermore, Zain was considered to have essentially "solved" the Sheik MU years ago now. That is, until Jmook took her to the next level by beating Zain twice in two separate majors, the second time with the final set against Zain, beating him twice on FD, and thus winning the whole thing. So yeah, there's a rivalry here, even if it doesn't have any toxicity to it.
@@grenselooss naw it’s been hells one-sided after summit 11 in Zains favor.Zain and Jmook’s rivalry is way more entertaining to watch. Jmook is one of the few threats Zain actually has to deal with.Both of them are getting better every year and do the most insane combos and punishes ever, thus making their sets are getting more entertaining. They’re pushing the boundaries on a matchup that’s been relatively underdeveloped for decades on both ends while making it the most 2nd interesting matchup to watch along with Fox vs Falco.
It was my first time watching a top 8 live. I will forever remember that major and that FILTHY Whispy ledge cancel combo. The energy levels were off the charts.
Its interesting to think that 10:00 was where J mook lost the tournament. If he takes this Yoshis game there is no reset. Zain even knew that he got lucky there. You can't make mistakes in modern melee.
*Spoilers* Zain's now ahead of Leffen in major wins, and he looks to stay ahead for a while since Leffen's not competing this year. Jmook looked really sharp but Zain had the answers. It's nice to see that Zain has won multiple majors after losers runs. That was the biggest missing piece for him for so long. Of the people who have won multiple majors, Leffen still hasn't won from losers. Has aMSa? Maybe Plup has? (Not counting events like Genesis 5, where Plup lost the first set of grands but won the second.)
Of the active major winners, only five have won from losers: Mango, Hungrybox, Zain, Cody, and Jmook. What's even crazier is that those last three players only joined the club last year, and we've already seen three runs each from Cody and Zain!
Marth - Spacies are usually bangers. Falcon - Puff is oddly entertaining if you appreciate the nuance of melee (esp when Wizzy plays). But yeah I agree with you
Zain really showed his experience and stamina, as the games went on the fatigue appeared to start setting in for Jmook but Zain seemed to continue playing at full capacity, maybe even better as it went on. Super impressive, both players are so damn good. Congratulations 🎊
31:26 I wonder if that was supposed to be a dash attack or if we're really casually doing turn around tilts out of crouch now in grands Crazy standard of play this set
They say "forgot what character you were" when jmook dives off with a dair, but I'm pretty sure going for an insane punish: Zain upB into sheik dair, Marth goes up and sheik gets a wall tech>wall jump fair. That's why jmook was smiling cuz he knows he went for the nuts and it ended up looking stupid. 14:56
I love that people are starting to easily beat zain now that they have a bit more stamina and a sharper eye and ability to get out of his gimps where he relies on tech chase and grab with cc and other mechanisms. Now people with more game sense will start to actually make melee fun again. woot. melee is back baby
SPOILER Kinda insane that Zain had a very real chance of going out at 9th to Wizzy, but once he got into Top 8, it felt like an inevitability that he'd get his rematch with Jmook in grands... what a legendary loser's run 👑
Zain vs Jmook is my new favorite grands, this set was sick! My jaw dropped so many times, the Randall tech was the cherry on top👌 these three commentators are probably my favorite alongside Stude, I usually dislike more than two commentators at a time but they gave each other space and kept it relevant to the match👍
"Hugo Gonzales canceled for beating up thin asian melee commentator" lmao the chessboxing match with toph was rough but idk what on earth you think HugS would be canceled for, he's a great guy and seems pretty feminist
Mount Rushmore is Armada, Mango, for sure, Next two is hard.. I feel like Ken has gotta be there for his reign and what he did for melee. Then it'd be between Zain, and Hungrybox.
I think HMW needs to tone down the random and irrelevant references a bit. It got better as the set went on, but I did find myself thinking at one point, "Can you just shut up for 1 minute?" He even admitted not really have great in depth knowledge on Marth to Vish. That just begs the question, "Why are you getting paid to be on the mic then?"
@@TheRealOmniscient I think it would help if they picked commentators who actually main or know a lot about the matches they are scheduled to watch. For example, Blur and Toph would have probably been more qualified for this match. However, any one of the melee commentators have shown they can really get off topic for long periods of time. I also don't know why they keep adding Hugs. That guy doesn't know anything about anything. lol I'm not even confident he could commentate a top level Samus match with any real insight.
SPOILER SHIELDS!! DEPLOY!!
I love you. I also am a kirby main in smash so I super love you.
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Greattt
Someone please tell youtube to stop suggesting Grand finals after only winners semis. Spoiled half of top 8 for me 😢
always a fun watch :)
Like the old days
I really want to see m2k playing melee again
Both of them just trying to make dad proud 👏 🥲
Would also love to see PPMD and Armada back again.
@@PaulaSolano-ks5ez I would like to watch him too
Incredible grand finals, Zain/Jmook might be my favorite rivalry rn. Shoutouts to the commentary team as well. Always love Vish on the mic!
The string at 29:50 is DISGUSTING
You ever punish your dog for touching something he shouldn’t have touched? COLD
#meleeissick
Came to write the same comment! Up B wispy ledge cancel into needles, instant up B into a multi hit fair finish 🔥
what even the fuck WAS any of that LMAO
That shit will be shown for years
i am a sheik hater and i gotta say that was one of the coolest things i've ever seen in this game
Sakurai fucking SNAPPED when he created this video game long live damn Melee! #GOAT
Unknowingly too
Too bad he didn't want there to be a competitive scene lol
@@wiccanboy301 because of money he didn’t want it to last forever so technically Melee is a mistake…
it's good because of hal labs
The footsies at 21:55 was elite.
Jmook’s smile seals it
set of the year so far. Love to see so much emotion from my two favorite competitors
Same. These are my favorites and they are both so great. This set was amazing.
Ngl jmook played way better in their winners quarters set this one the nerves really really came out. But Zain was able to play well enough to bring that out of him just like mango did to Zain at summit 11. If you go back and watch their winners set tho you can see so clearly jmook played nowhere near as well punish wise in this set.
@@wettuna1769 Yeah I mean that's how it goes when you're in grand finals of a supermajor. Jmook's two major wins were both over a year ago now, he had some kind of "fresh outlook" energy going on at the start of 2023 but he needs to rein his nerves back in now.
how can a game be so greatly made 20+ years ago and nobody has come close to making something better???
Such a stupid comment 🤣🤣
I heard that the main man behind melee hired a live orchestra out of his own pocket for this game. You just don't see that kind of love nowadays.
I feel like alot of it was kinda luck. They never intended it to be played this way. So many mechanics were added and they didn't account for how they'd overlap. So 20 years later new techniques can be found.
@@xtreamdream439 why hasn't it but studied and replicated correctly?
@@bobbykite8705I would argue it has and has subverted into a genre that I call a melee-like, where the movement is similar while having its own unique mechanics they exist but it's just that not enough people are playing them. Rivals of aether, Nickelodeon all stars brawl 2, and combo devils are some games that play just as well as melee with their own twist, The issue is that these games don't have the Nintendo IP to be popular enough to have players that will expand the meta, and the people that would appeal to the most (melee players) have the mentality of "this is fun, but why would I play this when I can just play melee a game that I put thousands of hours into and already enjoy enough without having to play a different game?" you have these really good deep games, but with very small fan bases due to this
35:15 - The fire in Zain's eyes can't be contained.
For real, I could almost hear him yell "You think I'm going to lose composure NOW? Me? 3 stocks to 1 about to win a supermajor?"
What an unbelievably high-quality set.
29:47 that was the coolest combo ive ever seen
Zain vs Jmook is the most interesting rivalry in melee in the last 6 years
Wait what? Was just watching the Melee before this, do they talk about it or something?
Their sets never disappoint and you can never predict the outcome it's so good
@@thesmith201052 Part of it is the MU. Sheik is one of the few characters that is favored against Marth, but no Sheik main has won a major since as far back as I can remember. Furthermore, Zain was considered to have essentially "solved" the Sheik MU years ago now.
That is, until Jmook took her to the next level by beating Zain twice in two separate majors, the second time with the final set against Zain, beating him twice on FD, and thus winning the whole thing. So yeah, there's a rivalry here, even if it doesn't have any toxicity to it.
Mango zain was also lit wym
@@grenselooss naw it’s been hells one-sided after summit 11 in Zains favor.Zain and Jmook’s rivalry is way more entertaining to watch. Jmook is one of the few threats Zain actually has to deal with.Both of them are getting better every year and do the most insane combos and punishes ever, thus making their sets are getting more entertaining. They’re pushing the boundaries on a matchup that’s been relatively underdeveloped for decades on both ends while making it the most 2nd interesting matchup to watch along with Fox vs Falco.
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Spoiler: This set is incredible.
It was my first time watching a top 8 live. I will forever remember that major and that FILTHY Whispy ledge cancel combo. The energy levels were off the charts.
Really cool to see such a fiery grand finals without spacies
No disrespect to anyone else but this may be the most handsome grand finals I have ever seen
29:48 best punish i have ever seen in my life
I have been waiting for a proper Zain/JMook set for a long time. These boys did not disapoint
No fox in grand final 😍
no mang0 grand finals 😥
Its interesting to think that 10:00 was where J mook lost the tournament. If he takes this Yoshis game there is no reset. Zain even knew that he got lucky there. You can't make mistakes in modern melee.
The roy practice showing up
*Spoilers*
Zain's now ahead of Leffen in major wins, and he looks to stay ahead for a while since Leffen's not competing this year. Jmook looked really sharp but Zain had the answers. It's nice to see that Zain has won multiple majors after losers runs. That was the biggest missing piece for him for so long. Of the people who have won multiple majors, Leffen still hasn't won from losers. Has aMSa? Maybe Plup has? (Not counting events like Genesis 5, where Plup lost the first set of grands but won the second.)
Of the active major winners, only five have won from losers: Mango, Hungrybox, Zain, Cody, and Jmook. What's even crazier is that those last three players only joined the club last year, and we've already seen three runs each from Cody and Zain!
29:52 is one of the sickest things i’ve ever seen a Sheik do
Congrats to both Zain and Jmook. Both of these players are so skilled and this set was SO back and forth. 2024 Melee is such a treat to watch.
8:26 I love the little acknowledging smile from Jmook :)
Can we not talk about how crazy 25:26 was?
13:29 Zain blinks in disbelief at the crazy walk up slowly mix.
4:35 magnifying glass dmg on stage, always funny to see
The two best matchups in melee to watch are Fox-Falco and Marth-Shiek and you can’t convince me otherwise
Marth - Spacies are usually bangers. Falcon - Puff is oddly entertaining if you appreciate the nuance of melee (esp when Wizzy plays). But yeah I agree with you
Falcon-Marth is my all-time fav, but this matchup and specific rivalry is one of the best in Melee history
@@Vomer0 I feel insulted toward myself for forgetting that MU. M2K/PPMD vs Armada are some of the most entertaining sets of all time. Good call out.
Zain really showed his experience and stamina, as the games went on the fatigue appeared to start setting in for Jmook but Zain seemed to continue playing at full capacity, maybe even better as it went on. Super impressive, both players are so damn good. Congratulations 🎊
Love the Kendrick diss references 😂 22:09
Lmfao I was dying when Brandon was popping off on that
31:26 I wonder if that was supposed to be a dash attack or if we're really casually doing turn around tilts out of crouch now in grands
Crazy standard of play this set
This set was fucking incredible holy shit
Zain snarling last game tho
No ego from Zain there, 3 stocks up last game of a final. Focuses in, stays cool. Keeps playing hard. Doesn't fuck around. Very cool.
High level melee gameplay is mesmerizing, I just ordered a copy from eBay and I’m downloading slippi right now hoping to get into it
Music sync 6:58
@24:45 when Brandon says, "Man I'm whoopin feet," what is that referring to?
Also, I'm not certain that's exactly what he says lol
Very nice set. Fun to watch 21:55
Kinda late to this but I don’t watch too much Melee. Is there any reason why they switched ports before the second set?
8:55 anyone notice they are in sync?
One of the few sets where I honestly think both players were evenly matched. I would have been perfectly satisfied with either winning this.
I love Zain, but man, Jmook was winning me over with those INSANE comebacks/techs. Great sets.
They say "forgot what character you were" when jmook dives off with a dair, but I'm pretty sure going for an insane punish:
Zain upB into sheik dair, Marth goes up and sheik gets a wall tech>wall jump fair. That's why jmook was smiling cuz he knows he went for the nuts and it ended up looking stupid.
14:56
29:50 was an insane stock
This Marth - Sheik matchup is really giving me late 2000's vibes
Why jmook look like he a British guard with that big ass hat on
These 2 have some sick games for sure but this one was a real treat to watch
4:42 is wild
Zain is just clearly more skilled, if Zain played sheik, he'd beat his own Marth
First set was my favorite set ever tbh
I love that people are starting to easily beat zain now that they have a bit more stamina and a sharper eye and ability to get out of his gimps where he relies on tech chase and grab with cc and other mechanisms. Now people with more game sense will start to actually make melee fun again. woot. melee is back baby
Petition to have bracket reset court changes like this be the norm
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Kinda insane that Zain had a very real chance of going out at 9th to Wizzy, but once he got into Top 8, it felt like an inevitability that he'd get his rematch with Jmook in grands... what a legendary loser's run 👑
Zain was unbelievably locked in
Back here after jmook rematch at nounsvitational. These 2 have the sickest sets
if the dreamland game went different, J could have won the whole tournament. Still, fantastic melee all around
Jmook played that second match seamlessly
Not watching the full vid as live viewers might know? This is hella rough for jmook 💙
That game at Dreamland was insaneee
Damn, not even a melee watcher but this was awesome...
What happened to jmook's forehead?
MF Doom on commentary?!
Zain vs Jmook is my new favorite grands, this set was sick! My jaw dropped so many times, the Randall tech was the cherry on top👌 these three commentators are probably my favorite alongside Stude, I usually dislike more than two commentators at a time but they gave each other space and kept it relevant to the match👍
8:20 ZANE WHAT WAS THAT
Zain and JMook are sooo good
That´s a champion right there.
What a fucking set omg
Melee is sick
JMook with the Hudson haircut
jmook is some type of rare exotic birb
The kendrick lamar bars had me crying 😂😂
3:17 a human matchup
28:06 Nike vs adidas
I thought Hugs86 was cancelled?
Nope
For what lol?
"Hugo Gonzales canceled for beating up thin asian melee commentator"
lmao the chessboxing match with toph was rough but idk what on earth you think HugS would be canceled for, he's a great guy and seems pretty feminist
Zain knew how big that third game was
jmook out here with the papakha. Go comrade jmook
Nice set
Spoilers be warned
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U think Zain threw Cody the match so he could get #1 again?
Whatever, Jmook did a wispy slide-off reverse needle land instant run off poof to start a kill combo. He's the victor in our hearts
Mount Rushmore is Armada, Mango, for sure, Next two is hard.. I feel like Ken has gotta be there for his reign and what he did for melee. Then it'd be between Zain, and Hungrybox.
if every sheik played like jmook I'd love the character...however that is just not the case
all timer set
thats my goat bro
Another tournament mango said he was gonna win and grinded for 🤣
the chess calories thing has been debunked
mega sad :(
holy shit
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO spoiler block deez nutz LETS GO ZAIN
Zain is the goat
Jmook cursed himself when he popped off on Mang0 3-0. Was that last year? Hasn’t been the same since
Bro his dad died in a tragic way I think it has had way more to do with that than him popping off on mango lmao….
Hey zain, I heart you them needles
Tututu
Spacing matchup
Spoiler shield Activated
The fuck is up with jmook's hair?
sweaty melee
Do you think harming animals is wrong?
If so, meat, dairy, and eggs cause animals to suffer.
I think HMW needs to tone down the random and irrelevant references a bit. It got better as the set went on, but I did find myself thinking at one point, "Can you just shut up for 1 minute?" He even admitted not really have great in depth knowledge on Marth to Vish. That just begs the question, "Why are you getting paid to be on the mic then?"
Because Melee is grassroots and all about popularity. The commentary is notorious for being dogshit but the gameplay is sick so it makes up for it
Waffles is a great commentator especially paired with Vish. Idk what you are saying really
@@andressalvat All melee commentators are dogshit tbh. Be objective. Love these guys but their commentary sucks compared to the FGC
@@TheRealOmniscient Ha that is pretty true.
@@TheRealOmniscient I think it would help if they picked commentators who actually main or know a lot about the matches they are scheduled to watch. For example, Blur and Toph would have probably been more qualified for this match. However, any one of the melee commentators have shown they can really get off topic for long periods of time. I also don't know why they keep adding Hugs. That guy doesn't know anything about anything. lol I'm not even confident he could commentate a top level Samus match with any real insight.
zain won 😊