How to Use Grow Lights for Indoor Plants - Complete Guide

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  • @NinjaStroll
    @NinjaStroll Рік тому +21

    Definitely the best video on grow lights

  • @MichaelDeNicola
    @MichaelDeNicola Рік тому +27

    I dig this guy's whole vibe, it's giving informative and friendly 👏

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому +3

      I appreciate that!

    • @janetconnors4591
      @janetconnors4591 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@@plantvibrations loving your content and vibe. Thanks for sharing.

  • @Thepourdeuxchanson
    @Thepourdeuxchanson 6 місяців тому +6

    Right, that's it. All my questions were answered here, no need for me to look anywhere else. Thank you for this thorough presentation.

  • @leelee71
    @leelee71 Рік тому +22

    This is seriously the most thorough and practical video yet. THANK YOU!! Excellent video!

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому +1

      Glad it was helpful! Check out some of my other videos!

  • @tselinsky6452
    @tselinsky6452 11 місяців тому +4

    Probably the most helpful video on plant lighting I've seen. Everyone else out there is testing all these crazy LED combinations. Devin makes it easy and covers a lot of ground all at once. Thanks!

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  11 місяців тому +2

      Glad it was helpful! That means a lot

  • @2126rlm
    @2126rlm Рік тому +1

    Wow! I love your plant collection. My neighbors think I live in a plant store. I could honestly live in a jungle. I love having indoor plants and have over a hundred. My husband told me I need to cut back a little because I'm encroaching on his space. NOT going to happen. Anyway, your video provided many great tips. Thanks a million for this information.

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому

      I love living in a jungle here! My wife also has to restrain me hah

  • @fredamariebrown4727
    @fredamariebrown4727 6 місяців тому +1

    This channel has been the most helpful to me out of all the ones I've viewed. I'm a beginning house plant gardener and am grateful for this video!

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  6 місяців тому +1

      I hope you have a chance to comment on other helpful videos you watch so I can continue to make pertinent planning for future ones!

  • @sheldonmurphy6031
    @sheldonmurphy6031 Рік тому +6

    Clicked on the video to see Freddie from Scooby-Doo talk about grow lights.
    Stayed for the information! 😁
    No matter how much I think I know, it's always great to relearn what you have learned, and there were a few things I had wrong.
    Thank You For Your Video Sir!

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому +3

      Hahaha I love that, great reference! I’m glad you enjoyed the video

    • @sheldonmurphy6031
      @sheldonmurphy6031 Рік тому

      @@plantvibrations
      Yo Most Welcome Sir! Sorry I thought I subscribed!
      Now I Am Sir!
      Iowa 😁

  • @marcospelaez5970
    @marcospelaez5970 Рік тому +4

    Fantastic video! This was very informative and helpful. I think you can take the metal covers from those clamp lights you don’t like and spray paint them. Then you can put them back on and have focused light but lose the industrial look and energy you didn’t like. Thank you for all these tips. Going to help my journey a lot

  • @verdasney
    @verdasney Рік тому +7

    What a nice video! I've been doing research about grow lights and your video literally has everything. Thank you so much for the information

  • @Marcel_Audubon
    @Marcel_Audubon Рік тому +2

    really like the suggestion about using the wasted space under a table for a grow light

  • @canhope1821
    @canhope1821 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for this information! I converted over to Soltech light systems throughout my house and have had a lot of success with them. They sell standalone hanging lights as well as ceiling mount track systems. Pricey but high quality and excellent lights.

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому

      Ooooh I will look into them! Thank you for sharing your experience!!

  • @annamarieklups6499
    @annamarieklups6499 14 днів тому

    Thank you for the information. I’m just learning to grow inside.

  • @ADHDKING
    @ADHDKING 3 місяці тому

    Great video . One way I hid the grow light poles (vertical) and the lamps were to buy some Pothos plants and let them vine around. Made a big difference with cables as well . Great thing is if they get too big you can cut them .

  • @jazzycrescendo9465
    @jazzycrescendo9465 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the video! I just moved apartments and my new place gets about half the sunlight my old place got. This really helps!

  • @dollycaldwell4938
    @dollycaldwell4938 Рік тому +1

    Best explanation ever thx

  • @monarchgarden_420
    @monarchgarden_420 Рік тому

    im a grower too and love indoor is what i luv i use optic led grow lights they are some of the best great channel here hope i can get to your level one day cheers family

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому +1

      Ooooh I need to look into the optic led!

    • @monarchgarden_420
      @monarchgarden_420 Рік тому

      @@plantvibrations yeah my friend the link to optic in my video description check me out my brother luv your channel

  • @pamelaapgar8184
    @pamelaapgar8184 Рік тому +1

    Great video! I just got a grow light so this video definitely helps

  • @myragooden8667
    @myragooden8667 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for all the great information.

  • @pw8312
    @pw8312 10 місяців тому

    Excellent presentation, thank you.

  • @olgalydiavidal1375
    @olgalydiavidal1375 8 місяців тому

    Love that your video didn’t drag on. You were very thorough and so informative! Subscribed and look forward to looking at your videos.😍👍

  • @lizsobeautiful4480
    @lizsobeautiful4480 9 місяців тому

    Love the idea of the DIY grow cart❤

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  9 місяців тому

      It’s so fun! We keep our coffee maker on top and plants underneath!

  • @edithagalang6269
    @edithagalang6269 Рік тому

    Thank you . Learn more from you..Watching from Ottawa Canada.🇨🇦👍

  • @vickykent353
    @vickykent353 Рік тому

    Devin, perfect timing. I've been looking at grow lights but really had no idea what to be looking for except to assume that the full spectrum was probably the best choice. Your interior design tips and tricks to upscale the look of grow lights was excellent too!
    I'm quite excited about my latest acquisition, which is a Moondrop, a dwarf version of the shefflera. The small, white variegation against the dark green leaves with the occasional white leaf is a striking contrast. It grows to about 3', which is perfect for my apartment living.
    Can't thank you enough for your videos. You make them very interesting and concise with no rambling. Perfect. 😊
    BTW, the item you held up and didn't know the name of is called a lampshade. 😂

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому

      Thank you so much for being such a great member of the community :) I’m glad these tips are resonating with you!

  • @GrenadianAmerican
    @GrenadianAmerican 2 місяці тому

    Very informative and explanatory.

  • @charissemara
    @charissemara Рік тому

    Thank you so much. I learned a lot. I just got a sansi 4-gooseneck lights and was wondering how to use it.

  • @anon420anon
    @anon420anon Рік тому

    thank you for sharing your knowledge

  • @jimp4037
    @jimp4037 Рік тому

    Thank you for sharing your knowledge my friend. Great video.

  • @gadegiongadegion6753
    @gadegiongadegion6753 Рік тому

    Amazing! Thank you. Very timely.
    Be well 🕊

  • @zacharyhernandez912
    @zacharyhernandez912 10 місяців тому

    Some of the t5 and t8 bars can be stuck on using double sided adhesive pads that the product comes with. Heavy duty 2x sided mounting tape can be also be used on the plastic parts. Really useful if you cannot or should not drill on the piece of furniture you’re your using. I’ve also heard of people attaching Velcro strips

  • @shischenkredemption8002
    @shischenkredemption8002 11 місяців тому

    I was JUST getting overwhelmed trying to figure out which grow lights i should get for my indoor plants. Thank you for your friendly information at the prefect time.
    I do have a question though, what's the minimum hours to use grow lights a day to be able to still achieve new growth?

  • @ethnyjane3248
    @ethnyjane3248 10 місяців тому

    So much info thank you so much!

  • @shirleygonzalez4112
    @shirleygonzalez4112 Рік тому +1

    Amazing! I was looking for grow light options, and clicked your video, by far the best and clearest on point very explanatory video! Love it thanks! I’m looking for indoor grow light for my pink princess, a few succulents and a variegated Monstera adansonii which hasn’t put any white since I purchased it 😒.

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому +1

      Hi Shirley! I love hearing that! may I ask what prompted you to watch mine versus some of the others out there?

    • @shirleygonzalez4112
      @shirleygonzalez4112 Рік тому

      @@plantvibrations for me the title “Indoor light” was the catch. As soon as I started watching your video you just drew me in! Your apartment and plant set up is relaxing to watch! I love the Ambient 🥰💯.
      Which lighting do you recommend to help promote more white leaf on my Variegated andasonii monstera and also good for my Pink princess plant as well?

  • @Memphisgirl-jk5tq
    @Memphisgirl-jk5tq Рік тому

    Excellent video. Thank you Sir.

  • @markmanning7882
    @markmanning7882 Рік тому

    Great information and I love your sweater

  • @distancelol123
    @distancelol123 7 днів тому +1

    The sun doesn't burn you more in higher altitudes because you're closer to it. It's because the atmosphere is thinner there

  • @cathyspooner7093
    @cathyspooner7093 Рік тому

    A lot of really good information

  • @micheleerskine456
    @micheleerskine456 Рік тому

    Love the floor lamp idea!

  • @SprinklersInTheRain
    @SprinklersInTheRain Рік тому

    Thank you for this video! I just got a monstera and was wondering if it would be okay under a grow light in an IKEA floor lamp I wanted to put it by. Lo-and-behold, you show a monstera under exactly the same lamp I was planning to put it under! Answered all my questions haha. Used your affiliate link for the smart bulb, I'm excited!

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому +1

      Gotta admit, our monzi looooves it under that lamp! Yours will too

  • @samconfringo
    @samconfringo 17 днів тому

    Good information. ❤ from india

  • @carolstuff
    @carolstuff Рік тому

    Great information! Thanks for sharing.

  • @sylviagutierrez7676
    @sylviagutierrez7676 Рік тому

    Good to see all options! ,love your new planting wall👍Chau,,👋
    💚🌱🌵☘️💚

  • @OutsidethePot
    @OutsidethePot 10 місяців тому +10

    I grow a lot of different plants and trees indoors. I’ve found no difference in growth potential with LEDs whether they’re $15 or $300. Compared wattage 100 to 300.

  • @learnwithlillian8509
    @learnwithlillian8509 2 місяці тому

    Fabulous, thanks

  • @josephmondik740
    @josephmondik740 Рік тому

    Once again you certainly don't disappoint. Very comprehensive and informative video. However, what no Ikea cabinet? Seems that is a prerequisite for all those folks doing plant videos. PS I don't have one either.

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому

      Hahah as much as I love IKEA this cabinets don’t cut the mustard in terms of beauty lol!

  • @hammocktimenapper
    @hammocktimenapper Рік тому +1

    Great video.
    And sorry but I'm going to be that guy...
    You burn more readily at elevation because there is less atmosphere to absorb UV, not because you are closer to the sun.
    Keep up the good work!

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому

      But why is there less atmosphere?

    • @hammocktimenapper
      @hammocktimenapper Рік тому

      @@plantvibrations The first reason is gravity. Earth's gravity pulls air as close to the surface as possible. The second reason is density. As altitude increases, the amount of gas molecules in the air decreases-the air becomes less dense than air nearer to sea level.
      I live in Colorado at about a mile of elevation above sea level. Here, our solar panels produce nearly 20% more energy than a similar solar panel at sea level!

  • @1Kent
    @1Kent Рік тому +2

    I just bought an LED grow light, so this is very Timely.

  • @bobbim1410
    @bobbim1410 27 днів тому

    Very helpful video ! I live in southern Ontario so heading into our cold short dark months 😔
    Would an LED full spectrum grow light be most helpful to my plants on a schedule of something like 830am - 830pm? I also have south facing windows but have the electric baseboard heaters along the window so I move my plants back from that direct dry heat.

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  27 днів тому

      Yes that would be perfect! Make sure you peruse my Amazon page for some of my favorite grow lights!

  • @Lanipooh1
    @Lanipooh1 9 місяців тому

    Very helpful!

  • @kimberlyferreira8522
    @kimberlyferreira8522 Рік тому

    great video!!!

  • @onarprimitivo7136
    @onarprimitivo7136 Рік тому

    Great video and info

  • @tracyhouser
    @tracyhouser Місяць тому

    Thanks dude!

  • @mohamednajy3662
    @mohamednajy3662 Рік тому

    Thank you for the beneficial video, do you recommend specific watt ?

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому

      Leds measure light intensity with lumens rather than watts, but a 200 watt equivalent is about rigjt

  • @msveevee07
    @msveevee07 13 днів тому

    Excellent vid! Very well done; informative and comprehensive 🪴💡

  • @LilPinkPoodle7
    @LilPinkPoodle7 Рік тому

    Choosing a style light is pretty hard. There are too many options. I'm looking for something to be used on the top of my bookshelf. Its pretty dark up there but I'd love to have a row of plants. I'm not sure what to do. Maybe mount a strip light to the ceiling or the back wall behind the plants? Or get clip ons for each individual plant? Then there's the issue of needing a long cord since its all the way on the top shelf 😂 itm overwhelmed.

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому

      I have plants on top of my bookshelf and I use the architecture lights I showed. They’re easy to clamp on and rotate able

  • @GetsugaTensho33
    @GetsugaTensho33 Рік тому

    Pretty thorough. I have a few questions though.
    I'm mainly focused more on vegetables. One of the grow lights I bought was a hanging red/blue light.
    I was thinking 12 hours of the red, with 2 hours at the beginning being with blue. What are your thoughts on using the red/blue led for vegetables?

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому +1

      Hey Caleb, thanks for your questions. I don’t personally have a ton of experience growing veg under grow lights.

    • @GetsugaTensho33
      @GetsugaTensho33 Рік тому

      @@plantvibrations Thank you for your quick response.

  • @deleqtronica8733
    @deleqtronica8733 Місяць тому

    The tan you get from sitting outside is from the UV light, why that doesnt happen in doors is because the UV is filtered out by your glass. Its not because of the light intensity.

  • @lorithompson9166
    @lorithompson9166 Рік тому +1

    I use the large command strips to mount strip lights..no drilling..

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому +1

      How do you like the strip lights? ive not used them before

    • @lorithompson9166
      @lorithompson9166 Рік тому +1

      @@plantvibrations I meant, the long bar lights that you featured in your video can be mounted using command strips directly to the underside of your shelves. I use two 20 pound rated Velcro command strips on each end of the light bar. It makes for easy replacement and allows more space between shelves.

  • @barbarajustice9499
    @barbarajustice9499 Рік тому

    Thank you for the info I have a three shelf gro cart had it since the 1990s loli bought new bulbs 5 years ago I think they are LED thanks

  • @fredaroberts1521
    @fredaroberts1521 Рік тому

    Would love to have Mothers grow lights, but I just get the full spectrum stand & spider lookin lights!!!

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому

      Nice! Those are great. The mother light has been essential for my succulents

  • @kalashrestha3251
    @kalashrestha3251 7 місяців тому

    I’m trying to grow rosemary please give me suggestions what kind of light should I use

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  7 місяців тому

      Rosemary: Growing Indoors, Pruning Techniques, Root Pruning
      ua-cam.com/video/b8Rx7l1momA/v-deo.html

  • @Mikeppodcast
    @Mikeppodcast Рік тому

    Thanks for the video! Where in pa are you? I’m in York

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому +1

      Chester county!

    • @Mikeppodcast
      @Mikeppodcast Рік тому

      @@plantvibrations sweet. Thanks for the videos, I’m learning a lot, I’m in love with plants!

  • @Johnny-i9e
    @Johnny-i9e Рік тому

    Hey I live in a basement apartment w no windows. I have Anthurium Clarinervium,trandescantia nanouk, peace lily, zz, monstera adasonni,and philodendron white knight. What would my most efficient light setup be for these. Right now I got two ge lights and some Amazon clip on ones but I have no idea if it’s too much or too little. They are all on one table.

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому

      I would get a couple of the Haus Bright Lights, they’re reasonably priced and very effective. And optionality to change color is great

  • @Thinkforyourselves64
    @Thinkforyourselves64 Рік тому

    I have to hang all my plants from the ceiling because of my pets. Any lighting suggestion for that? Would like to find DECENT looking ceiling grow lights. P.S. I have 10 hanging plants and one room where they need to be all winter. Low light. Thanks for any suggestions!

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому

      Ohhh hmm that’s a good challenge. Well I forsure would recommend the smart bulbs I show in the video for their ability to change tones from cool to hot. Regarding an actual apparatus, I’ll have to think on that

  • @mariepatterson7804
    @mariepatterson7804 Рік тому

    Thanks

  • @michaelbaldivia2740
    @michaelbaldivia2740 Рік тому

    Hi, thanks for the video. Did I understand right that a normal LED bulb (not a grow light LED) is better than nothing? Thanks

  • @thiennguyen9747
    @thiennguyen9747 10 місяців тому

    Can i have the info of the first clamp that clamped the smart bulb onto the window

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  10 місяців тому

      Check the description for a link to my Amazon page. To find it there!

  • @deegrows7589
    @deegrows7589 Рік тому

    Think I saw a Clivia behind your ficus teneke. If so, do you know how to force it to bloom?

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому

      Yes it is! When it blooms again I’ll film a video about caring for them

  • @bringit3164
    @bringit3164 Рік тому

    Recommend lights for when I bring my pineapple plants inside for the winter here in FL?

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому

      The haus bright grow light would be great, check my description

    • @bringit3164
      @bringit3164 Рік тому

      @@plantvibrations Thanks!

  • @edwardboland879
    @edwardboland879 5 днів тому

    They def growing weed in that indoor chamber too. Great video tho thank you!

  • @Techiespot21
    @Techiespot21 Місяць тому

    How many hours should the grow light be on every day?

  • @TCgirl
    @TCgirl 2 місяці тому

    But what about lumens and wattage? What wattage or lumens are best for growing house plants?

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  2 місяці тому

      20-40 watt equivalent is typically sufficient, thanks for asking

  • @shamaunjiwanmall1987
    @shamaunjiwanmall1987 Місяць тому

    Can I use regular LED bulbs for this? Or does it really have to be a “grow light”?

  • @blackwellsmobilenotary8310
    @blackwellsmobilenotary8310 Рік тому

    ❤️👍🏾👍🏾😀☀️THANK YOU

  • @windyacresway
    @windyacresway Рік тому

    Distance of lights depend on the plants used.If i put my sansi 12 inches from my pothos they would bleach but my rubber tree would be ok.

  • @firearmssanctuary2448
    @firearmssanctuary2448 Рік тому

    LED do in fact get hot but are almost always built into a heat dissipation system to compensate for that. hell my LED grow light literally has heat sinks and 2 good sized fans and you can feel the hot air coming out of the air out vents. LED actually generate a lot of heat depending on how much light they are pushing out. my little flashlight that its 1,200 lumens will melt its lens and give 2nd degree burns if left on max turbo for too long hence why it has built in feature to force it down to lower settings after a set time.

  • @69dogodon
    @69dogodon Рік тому

    What part of Eastern PA?
    I'm in Allentown

  • @taz6122
    @taz6122 Рік тому

    led's will not burn foliage, nor will normally powered fluorescents unless left in contact with foliage for days and fluorescents should be closer than 3 inches.. btw the word "grow" when added to "lights" generally increases price more than efficiency.

  • @bhazleton
    @bhazleton 10 місяців тому

    I guess you don't need fans to prevent mold? Microgreen growers need them, but it may just be exclusive to them.

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  10 місяців тому

      You shouldn’t need one to prevent mold bc indoor plants shouldn’t stay moist enough to encourage mold. But fans are great for circulation which plants appreciate

  • @pink.meadow1
    @pink.meadow1 Рік тому

    I need some serious help. I was just gifted a monstera and I need a floor lamp set up like how you have, and I am having trouble.
    I know I want a floor lamp and a warmer toned grow light LED. Can someone tell me what to look for? It's kinda confusing! 😅

  • @Jacksirrom
    @Jacksirrom Рік тому

    More powerful mountain sun is due to the light passing through less of the atmosphere, not being closer to the sun.

  • @ishichan1864
    @ishichan1864 6 місяців тому

    hi should i turn off my light at night?? i have indoor plants

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  6 місяців тому

      Yes you should

    • @ishichan1864
      @ishichan1864 6 місяців тому

      @@plantvibrations so it will be complete darkness though、and i have succulent

  • @concretecullen
    @concretecullen Рік тому

    sub'd & Lik'd easy decision. thank you

  • @bettymontgomery7606
    @bettymontgomery7606 4 місяці тому

    How close to begonias

  • @colleenmcdonnell5713
    @colleenmcdonnell5713 Рік тому

    They’re called lamp shades.

  • @luckycarebear9406
    @luckycarebear9406 Рік тому

    Wait what about succulents!? They say that
    Fluorescent Lights are best but they are not

  • @-ServantofYeshua
    @-ServantofYeshua 2 місяці тому

    You're cute it's called a light shade.

  • @kalashrestha3251
    @kalashrestha3251 7 місяців тому +1

    I’m so confuse

  • @RancidRobott
    @RancidRobott 6 місяців тому +1

    How rude they couldn’t wait 5 mins to do there dishes while your doing a video smh 😂

  • @Ws-wr6xt
    @Ws-wr6xt 10 місяців тому

    Omg Is that your house or greenhouse?😂😂

  • @kalashrestha3251
    @kalashrestha3251 7 місяців тому

    I use sunny lookalike lights

  • @modernfiddler5475
    @modernfiddler5475 10 місяців тому

    These LED lights shown here are some of the most inefficient options available. Over priced too.

  • @frederickbowdler8169
    @frederickbowdler8169 2 місяці тому

    The plants have spoken........... We don't like LEDS !!!!!!!!!!

  • @Gallium0031
    @Gallium0031 Рік тому

    the bit about being closer to the sun in the mountains as an explanation for higher intensity light is a bit cringeworthy..

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому

      Why?

    • @davidhatch7603
      @davidhatch7603 Рік тому

      I think cringeworthy is too strong of a word but I don't think it's scientifically correct. 2000 feet is an incredibly small increase in closeness relative to the sun.

  • @oolum
    @oolum Рік тому

    LED, Light Emitting Diodes, good for plants, BAD FOR HUMANS. Do some research.

  • @4ll4ll
    @4ll4ll Рік тому

    stop scamming yourself and just buy cheap LED bulbs and remove the light diffuser you will love it :)

    • @4ll4ll
      @4ll4ll Рік тому

      3000k is good balance don't even need lower or higher kelvin for house plants and the 3000k looks nice to the eyes

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому

      Very interesting! I’ll look into it, thanks for sharing :)

  • @Byrod1
    @Byrod1 Рік тому

    Good video, one correction though,in the mountains the difference is in air density not closeness to the Sun, do not be silly, check your ideas first.

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому

      I wonder why the air density is less with higher elevation

    • @plantvibrations
      @plantvibrations  Рік тому

      I wonder why the air density is less with higher elevation…

    • @Byrod1
      @Byrod1 Рік тому

      @@plantvibrations l bet you graduated from All American Highschool, ( with awesome looking diploma ).

    • @misserinoiakarma
      @misserinoiakarma 8 місяців тому

      gravity is weaker farther away from earth, higher up less air pushing down, you know so in fact.....(closer to the sun) nm
      I'm offended that Minnesota did not have fancy awesome diplomas someone's getting a letter in super fancy awesome glitter pen ink over this topic.