I have a yellow watchman goby but I aquascaped my tank specifically for her - she has tonnes of rocks to burrow under and a properly deep sandbed, and with my future upgrade tank I want to make the sand even deeper for her. And, to open up my wrasse options I will make certain that it is fine sand! But no copperbands for me. I despise having beautiful beings die.
i have a 5 year old copper band with two zebrasoma flavescens and one bristle tooth and it is the king of the reef! he feeds on frozen food! but i understand the point you are making and yes i sadly killt 2 before this one... cheers
I’m pleased your butterfly has found his place in your system. And it seems common enough that this can happen, it’s just that as you mentioned, for every successful copperband, there’s a number of dead predecessors.
For sleeper gobies tho can’t u like maybe hide pellets in the sand so when they sift thru it they eat the pellets? So that way they are getting nutrition from the sand instead of just eating the debris and stuff
Possibly and some sleeper gobies will take food from the sands surface. My intention of the video, was simply to make reefers aware of the extra research, time and effort, and potentially bad outcome , required if they did buy one of these fishes. I just don’t like it when hobbyists go… “oh well” ….. it just disappeared ( ie starved to death, and got eaten by clean up crew). Got to keep thinking and doing the best for our fishes if we want a sustainable hobby, and that may mean species specific tanks
@@australianaquarist yeah I see what you mean and tbh I prefer tanks with sand in them anyway it just looks better and more natural and just overall best for all the animals not sure why “modern” means that they don’t have sand wouldn’t it make sense for a modern aquarium to be suitable for all types of marine animals? Not sure why ppl don’t do sand but to me it dosent make much sense even with all the small cons and im glad u agree too
@@australianaquarist i personally research a lot before purchasing but have been burned many times by not having access to decent info (care sheets are dog shit) but podcasts have been very good for more realistic info. I like your approach though.
Amazing !!! That's exactly my approach since i started 28 years ago... People have no idea what they are doing,and just go with the current trends like its and ipohne,or any other fake item that the society brain wash them .. Please keep up the good work,i always looking forward to learm something new from you. People like you hopefully they do exist out there 😅
this is why i stick to tangs and agelfish, i consider myself a newer reefer with limted experience and a smaller system. Coming from freshwater fish i always researched fish and if they needed special requirements then i did my best to provide that habbitat for them. Coming to reefing side it supprises me that the majority of people go for what helps them in their tank they already have and continue to make bad compromises with these expensive saltwater fish. I completely agree with this video and concern you bring to us. Much love ❤️
Very well said. The hobby does very much focus on utilitarian fish, and that I believe is a problem. It takes the focus away from the needs of the fish and onto the fish being almost “ disposable”. I do believe that the hobby will slowly go more species specific, and follow in the steps of the freshwater side - biotope tanks, species tanks etc
You can keep a copperband if you study its behavior, feeding habits, pair it with fish that are not aggressive, be prepared to buy worms, clams, and various foods to see what it will eat, then train it to eat prepared foods. However, most won’t do this.
Well said. And yes, most won’t do this. It worries me that stores sell them freely, people buy them kidding themselves that their tank will be different. This video is just trying to make people think, and laugh a little. Good work with your tank
I have a copper band currently. He ate up all the aptasia. now I use a copper band feeder everyday to make sure he gets a decent amount of food. I am surprised that a fish like the Moorish idle wasn't on the list. I have a Moorish idle in qt right now that is smashing brine and tdo pellets. hopefully he fattens up real nice and i can add him to my dt
Well done caring for your copperband this way. I did think about the Moorish Idol , but honestly don’t have a lot of experience with them , so decided I’m not the one to talk about them.
Always have had Reef tanks with sand, but my current upgrade I am building is going to be bare bottom. However, NOT dry rock! I ordered live wild aquaculture rock from Florida. Had critters sponges, macro algae and coralline species all over it. Then, I put it in a trash barrel with a heater and to water pumps for three whole months to let it cycle off any die off. This way I will start off the tank with an extremely bio, diverse array of microfauna for the fish to pick from. As well as possible immunity to Dino’s and overall bacterial filtration
Sounds like a plan . I’d of just placed the liverock straight in, but it does depend on the speed you get the rock from the ocean to your tank! Just stay away from sandsifting gobies and those wrasse that need to bury Have fun. Love a new tank build!
I can place my hand on my heart and honestly say that I have never lost a marine fish. EVER. Can't lose what you never had! Interesting topic though Adam.
I have only kept one copper band and i had great success before I rehomed it due to a tank break down. I must add I had 0 tangs, the copper band was the biggest fish in the tank. Just had clown fish an Ornate leopard wrasse and a fuzzie dwarf lion fish.
Very good video mate, sustainability is key to the longevity of this hobby. Unfortunately, I feel that with the coral bleaching happening at the moment, we will be looked at even closer with a fine toothed comb with regard to what we are taking from the oceans. The most important thing is caring for our beautiful inhabitants that we care for. Can we turn this hobby in a way that people have species oriented aquariums 🤔. It's always a great day to see a notification with a video from you out. Cheers 🍻
@Vroomy1986 you are very kind ! I need more viewers like you to get engaged. I 100%agree that the day will come when the hobby must rely almost solely on captive production of fish and corals. I feel coral will be first, and fish more slowly follow. It is vitally important that hobbyists respect the fishes for what they are, not what we want them to do in our reef tank. Only by having this approach, will the collective hobby have any say in the way our animals are sourced and traded. It woukd be a massive shame to not even get a chance to work with certain species, because if being blinded into “ this is what a reef tank is “
Nanoreefer, I’m pleased you did well with the copperband. They are beautiful fish. I definitely agree that the lack of large and aggressive tank mates contributed
I think there is a LOT of assumptions being made in this video. So to say don't buy these fish is a pretty big over-statement. It is far more appropriate to say if your lazy and don't want to match the environment, then don't buy these fish. First off, the number of time this guy said 'bare bottom' is a big tell. Modern reef tank is not jsut bare bottom tanks. I have a reef tank and I'm not running a bare bottom setup. My sand bed is crawling with critters like copepods, worms, and amphipods as is the rock work. My goby is happy and healthy. Sure I use a trick of putting a bit of frozen food in the sand bed every now and then as well as some carno diet fine pellets as well. That trick feeds a lot more than the goby. Happy gobys or other fish in this list is all about paying attention to the fish's needs. Good video but it just felt a little bit 'black n white' and technology doesn't mean a lack of biology. I personally feel no fish is going to be happy and healthy very long in a tank that is sterile and relies only on technology to keep water parameters within specific parameters. I think a better 'modern reef tank' defenition, or at least one the will be sucessful and not jsut a fade to the owner, is one that uses technology to make life easier for the owner to do what is needed to keep mini biosphere happy and healthy as a whole.
Very well said. The intent of the video is to make people stop and think about their fish choices, and not just for what the fish may contribute to the running of the tank. I agree that live and reefing is definitely not black and white, but sometimes I feel something needs to be said to make hobbyists think more. Especially when they stand in the LFS, worried about scungy sand, and the store retail assistant recommends a goby!
You've ENTIRELY missed the point. What he's saying is IF you have a modern bare bottom tank don't get these fish, not that these fish cannot be kept in conditions that are suitable for them.
Hi mate well comes down to experience right,, i have 5 copper bands at diff levels of growth in my tank ..some will eat some are picking at rock like they normally do..mix of angels ..with sleeper or sand sifter fish a mature sand bed that is impotent to keep these.. mine does both but is that big he eats a whole frozen cube of what ever i put in there as well,, ..i think there will always be wild caught fish coral, inverts ,,going by the stats on whats collected to whats out there is very sustainable ..but its good your putting it out there for ppl who may get a type of animal that needs the correct habitat ,,saves money and death of these animals
Absolutely. I’m just trying to get hobbyists to think a bit deeper before bringing certain fish home from the LFS. We all have a tendency to think that “we’ll be different….. that my tank will be fine, for that fish”. Not usually the case. But I do believe the reef hobby will slowly turn toward species tanks, biotope tanks and more fish breeding- much like it is in freshwater.
In my reef tank I've got 0 tangs or agressive fish but 1 pacific regal angel, 2 leopard wrasses, 2 halichoeres wrasses (canary and cosmetus), 1 black tail tamarin wrasse and a copperband. I've had 0 problems with any of these fish, I think almost every hard to keep fish are made much harder due to how they are collected. For instance the pacific regal angels are treated so much worse then red sea/indian ocean ones and so have normally much worse survival rates. Guess i just got lucky with all my fish, none eat my clams either. From what I hear about wrasses is that they are deep water fish and and aren't used to having the surface so close. I'm shocked I haven't had any fish die also because this is my first saltwater tank. I use lots of wild collected mud and mangroves in my refugium which I think does wonders.
These are just the hard to keep fish, my tank is 180x90x35cm and has bangaii cardinals, genicanthus angels, a sleeper goby and some dispar anthias as well
@@australianaquarist Got a average of 1.5 inches around the tank, in the back there is around 3 inches and there is this raised rockpool area that has mangroves and crocea/maxima clams surrounded by reef rocks that has about 10 inches of sand
I know !! It’s been a few weeks. I’ve finally had the bracing welded up and pick it up on Monday. Then it’s sanding , polishing and sealing. Then freshwater testing time. Hopefully the next video will be a build video!
Very nice video esp for a beginner. I would like to hear your opinion also on the opposite, what are some easy beginner fish you would recommend? heard such different opinions on this
Nice idea. I have scripted a video on three species which don’t live up to popular hype ( still great fish, which I’ll release shortly). Then I’ll have a crack at your idea! Cheers
Nice idea. I have scripted a video on three species which don’t live up to popular hype ( still great fish, which I’ll release shortly). Then I’ll have a crack at your idea! Cheers
Thank you for sharing this valuable knowledge, Good Sir
You are very welcome. See you again Joseph.
Excellent points
I have a yellow watchman goby but I aquascaped my tank specifically for her - she has tonnes of rocks to burrow under and a properly deep sandbed, and with my future upgrade tank I want to make the sand even deeper for her. And, to open up my wrasse options I will make certain that it is fine sand!
But no copperbands for me. I despise having beautiful beings die.
i have a 5 year old copper band with two zebrasoma flavescens and one bristle tooth and it is the king of the reef! he feeds on frozen food! but i understand the point you are making and yes i sadly killt 2 before this one... cheers
I’m pleased your butterfly has found his place in your system. And it seems common enough that this can happen, it’s just that as you mentioned, for every successful copperband, there’s a number of dead predecessors.
For sleeper gobies tho can’t u like maybe hide pellets in the sand so when they sift thru it they eat the pellets? So that way they are getting nutrition from the sand instead of just eating the debris and stuff
Possibly and some sleeper gobies will take food from the sands surface. My intention of the video, was simply to make reefers aware of the extra research, time and effort, and potentially bad outcome , required if they did buy one of these fishes. I just don’t like it when hobbyists go… “oh well” ….. it just disappeared ( ie starved to death, and got eaten by clean up crew). Got to keep thinking and doing the best for our fishes if we want a sustainable hobby, and that may mean species specific tanks
@@australianaquarist yeah I see what you mean and tbh I prefer tanks with sand in them anyway it just looks better and more natural and just overall best for all the animals not sure why “modern” means that they don’t have sand wouldn’t it make sense for a modern aquarium to be suitable for all types of marine animals? Not sure why ppl don’t do sand but to me it dosent make much sense even with all the small cons and im glad u agree too
Very good advice
Thanks. I’m just trying to get people to think a bit more before they buy. I appreciate your support!
@@australianaquarist i personally research a lot before purchasing but have been burned many times by not having access to decent info (care sheets are dog shit) but podcasts have been very good for more realistic info. I like your approach though.
@insanity4224 thanks. Finding an honest retailer can definitely help.
I’m happy to offer my experiences any time. Just reach out.
Amazing !!!
That's exactly my approach since i started 28 years ago...
People have no idea what they are doing,and just go with the current trends like its and ipohne,or any other fake item that the society brain wash them ..
Please keep up the good work,i always looking forward to learm something new from you. People like you hopefully they do exist out there 😅
Very kind words. Mate this hobby is for us, not others, so it’s been a long run , but I’ve finally learned to reef my way.
this is why i stick to tangs and agelfish, i consider myself a newer reefer with limted experience and a smaller system. Coming from freshwater fish i always researched fish and if they needed special requirements then i did my best to provide that habbitat for them. Coming to reefing side it supprises me that the majority of people go for what helps them in their tank they already have and continue to make bad compromises with these expensive saltwater fish. I completely agree with this video and concern you bring to us. Much love ❤️
Very well said. The hobby does very much focus on utilitarian fish, and that I believe is a problem. It takes the focus away from the needs of the fish and onto the fish being almost “ disposable”. I do believe that the hobby will slowly go more species specific, and follow in the steps of the freshwater side - biotope tanks, species tanks etc
You can keep a copperband if you study its behavior, feeding habits, pair it with fish that are not aggressive, be prepared to buy worms, clams, and various foods to see what it will eat, then train it to eat prepared foods. However, most won’t do this.
Well said.
And yes, most won’t do this. It worries me that stores sell them freely, people buy them kidding themselves that their tank will be different. This video is just trying to make people think, and laugh a little. Good work with your tank
I have a copper band currently. He ate up all the aptasia. now I use a copper band feeder everyday to make sure he gets a decent amount of food. I am surprised that a fish like the Moorish idle wasn't on the list. I have a Moorish idle in qt right now that is smashing brine and tdo pellets. hopefully he fattens up real nice and i can add him to my dt
Well done caring for your copperband this way. I did think about the Moorish Idol , but honestly don’t have a lot of experience with them , so decided I’m not the one to talk about them.
Just traded my sleeper goby yesterday it was covering my torch corals with sand
They’ll do that! The bluelined are the worst for it.
Always have had Reef tanks with sand, but my current upgrade I am building is going to be bare bottom. However, NOT dry rock! I ordered live wild aquaculture rock from Florida. Had critters sponges, macro algae and coralline species all over it. Then, I put it in a trash barrel with a heater and to water pumps for three whole months to let it cycle off any die off. This way I will start off the tank with an extremely bio, diverse array of microfauna for the fish to pick from. As well as possible immunity to Dino’s and overall bacterial filtration
Sounds like a plan . I’d of just placed the liverock straight in, but it does depend on the speed you get the rock from the ocean to your tank! Just stay away from sandsifting gobies and those wrasse that need to bury
Have fun. Love a new tank build!
I can place my hand on my heart and honestly say that I have never lost a marine fish. EVER. Can't lose what you never had! Interesting topic though Adam.
You’re a good man Gil! Well done
I have only kept one copper band and i had great success before I rehomed it due to a tank break down. I must add I had 0 tangs, the copper band was the biggest fish in the tank. Just had clown fish an Ornate leopard wrasse and a fuzzie dwarf lion fish.
Very good video mate, sustainability is key to the longevity of this hobby. Unfortunately, I feel that with the coral bleaching happening at the moment, we will be looked at even closer with a fine toothed comb with regard to what we are taking from the oceans. The most important thing is caring for our beautiful inhabitants that we care for. Can we turn this hobby in a way that people have species oriented aquariums 🤔. It's always a great day to see a notification with a video from you out. Cheers 🍻
@Vroomy1986 you are very kind ! I need more viewers like you to get engaged. I 100%agree that the day will come when the hobby must rely almost solely on captive production of fish and corals. I feel coral will be first, and fish more slowly follow. It is vitally important that hobbyists respect the fishes for what they are, not what we want them to do in our reef tank. Only by having this approach, will the collective hobby have any say in the way our animals are sourced and traded. It woukd be a massive shame to not even get a chance to work with certain species, because if being blinded into “ this is what a reef tank is “
Nanoreefer, I’m pleased you did well with the copperband. They are beautiful fish. I definitely agree that the lack of large and aggressive tank mates contributed
I think there is a LOT of assumptions being made in this video. So to say don't buy these fish is a pretty big over-statement. It is far more appropriate to say if your lazy and don't want to match the environment, then don't buy these fish. First off, the number of time this guy said 'bare bottom' is a big tell. Modern reef tank is not jsut bare bottom tanks. I have a reef tank and I'm not running a bare bottom setup. My sand bed is crawling with critters like copepods, worms, and amphipods as is the rock work. My goby is happy and healthy. Sure I use a trick of putting a bit of frozen food in the sand bed every now and then as well as some carno diet fine pellets as well. That trick feeds a lot more than the goby. Happy gobys or other fish in this list is all about paying attention to the fish's needs. Good video but it just felt a little bit 'black n white' and technology doesn't mean a lack of biology. I personally feel no fish is going to be happy and healthy very long in a tank that is sterile and relies only on technology to keep water parameters within specific parameters. I think a better 'modern reef tank' defenition, or at least one the will be sucessful and not jsut a fade to the owner, is one that uses technology to make life easier for the owner to do what is needed to keep mini biosphere happy and healthy as a whole.
Very well said. The intent of the video is to make people stop and think about their fish choices, and not just for what the fish may contribute to the running of the tank. I agree that live and reefing is definitely not black and white, but sometimes I feel something needs to be said to make hobbyists think more. Especially when they stand in the LFS, worried about scungy sand, and the store retail assistant recommends a goby!
This is good advice for new aquarists.
You've ENTIRELY missed the point. What he's saying is IF you have a modern bare bottom tank don't get these fish, not that these fish cannot be kept in conditions that are suitable for them.
Man you have cool narration skills 🎉
Thanks, I appreciate you watching and commenting. I hope you got some value out of the video!
Hi mate well comes down to experience right,, i have 5 copper bands at diff levels of growth in my tank ..some will eat some are picking at rock like they normally do..mix of angels ..with sleeper or sand sifter fish a mature sand bed that is impotent to keep these.. mine does both but is that big he eats a whole frozen cube of what ever i put in there as well,, ..i think there will always be wild caught fish coral, inverts ,,going by the stats on whats collected to whats out there is very sustainable ..but its good your putting it out there for ppl who may get a type of animal that needs the correct habitat ,,saves money and death of these animals
Absolutely. I’m just trying to get hobbyists to think a bit deeper before bringing certain fish home from the LFS. We all have a tendency to think that “we’ll be different….. that my tank will be fine, for that fish”. Not usually the case. But I do believe the reef hobby will slowly turn toward species tanks, biotope tanks and more fish breeding- much like it is in freshwater.
Couldn’t agree more mate!
In my reef tank I've got 0 tangs or agressive fish but 1 pacific regal angel, 2 leopard wrasses, 2 halichoeres wrasses (canary and cosmetus), 1 black tail tamarin wrasse and a copperband. I've had 0 problems with any of these fish, I think almost every hard to keep fish are made much harder due to how they are collected. For instance the pacific regal angels are treated so much worse then red sea/indian ocean ones and so have normally much worse survival rates. Guess i just got lucky with all my fish, none eat my clams either. From what I hear about wrasses is that they are deep water fish and and aren't used to having the surface so close. I'm shocked I haven't had any fish die also because this is my first saltwater tank. I use lots of wild collected mud and mangroves in my refugium which I think does wonders.
These are just the hard to keep fish, my tank is 180x90x35cm and has bangaii cardinals, genicanthus angels, a sleeper goby and some dispar anthias as well
Great collection of wrasse. I assume you’ve got a good deep sand bed? I definitely reckon the mud would contribute some biodiversity for sure
@@australianaquarist Got a average of 1.5 inches around the tank, in the back there is around 3 inches and there is this raised rockpool area that has mangroves and crocea/maxima clams surrounded by reef rocks that has about 10 inches of sand
@glub9075 mate the wrasse would be loving that!!
Goodonya Mate! Great vid!
Cheers,
Chris
Cheers!!
Plywood update pls:)
I know !! It’s been a few weeks. I’ve finally had the bracing welded up and pick it up on Monday. Then it’s sanding , polishing and sealing. Then freshwater testing time. Hopefully the next video will be a build video!
Very nice video esp for a beginner. I would like to hear your opinion also on the opposite, what are some easy beginner fish you would recommend? heard such different opinions on this
Nice idea. I have scripted a video on three species which don’t live up to popular hype ( still great fish, which I’ll release shortly). Then I’ll have a crack at your idea! Cheers
Nice idea. I have scripted a video on three species which don’t live up to popular hype ( still great fish, which I’ll release shortly). Then I’ll have a crack at your idea! Cheers
@@australianaquarist Just watched the new video, keep it up loving these videos. Direct and simple
@DustyKnifes thanks mate. Appreciate it. Can you help to get more people watching it?!!
ur parrots in the background makes my parrots scream xD
It’s a pain! The little buggers never stop, and it’s worse when they hear me getting all “UA-camy” !