This STEAM LOCOMOTIVE Has Been at the Franklin Institute for Almost 100 YEARS
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
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“What railroad do you work for”
6000: “Yes”
The Franklin Institute was one of my favorite field trips as a child.
It was one of my favorites also. Growing up in Southwest Philly was great in the 70's! I went to T.G. Morton on Elmwood Ave, Tilden, Patterson, and finally John Bartram High School. Our school trips included the Liberty Bell, Betsy Ross House, and the Academy of Natural Sciences. We also went to Valley Forge once.
Mr. Baldwin contributed to the founding of the Franklin institute!
Interestingly, although it is true that 60000 is one of a kind, the SP would later go on to buy a class of 3 cylinder 4-10-2 locomotives, I believe after they had 60000's trial runs. So, in a way, this unique locomotive did go on to inspire more unique locomotives, though certain features, like the water tube firebox, were changed or removed.
I suppose most of those were to run better on the west coast
Train nerd ;p
Takes men of inspiration to do great things, I'm sure they went on to other great accomplishments
@@therago1456 Oh yeah, the SP locomotives were apparently really well received. One of them is even still around, I believe at the Rail Giants museum, though I could be wrong on that one.
@@robvlob But of course.
I climbed all over this thing many times as a kid. Fun fact: up until 10-15 years ago it actually used to move back and forth on the little piece of track it sits on, but the wheels were starting to wear unevenly because they weren't making a complete revolution and there really isn't an easy way for them to be repaired. So now it's just stationary.
I wondered why they stopped running out! That was always the height of my museum visit as a kid
*running it
I "rode" it as a kid. I don't know if it still moves, but they would run it about 10 feet forward and back with lots of authentic sounds. Kids all piled into the hopper.
I forgot about that and also rode in it, thanks for the memory
I remember that, too. Last I heard they stopped doing it due to maintenance reasons
Impressive that it still exists today and wasn't scrapped
the way its presevred, it sure feels like its scrapped. i feel the same way about 1401.
@@harrimanfox8961agreed, the worst thing you can do absteam engine is run it, second worst is let it sit. Run it for the kids and rail fans to enjoy,
@@malice6081I agree but a restoration of a locomotive this size not to mention 60000 has a water tube boiler might make it difficult to mantin and expensive to restore & operate, at least it still exist
@LongIslandRailfanner It's a water tube 3 cylinder compound? Well, hell! I wonder what 4014 cost to return to service? And that's not even a water tube boiler.
@@Melanie16040It was in the millions. But they won't say the exact number.
I've been to the Franklin Institute many times. That locomotive never fails to impress. The sheer enormity of the thing is incredible
I worked at Baldwin's in the early 70's just before they closed up shop. My grandfather was a crane operator there decades before I worked there. I sometimes machined 24" diameter cast iron pistons that probably weighed more than 500 pounds. They had three ring grooves that were one inch wide. I don't know what they were for but I suspect a big ship.
I see no one replied to you. But this locomotive used 27" x 33" cylinders for both low and high pressure cylinders. The 24" pistons you machined could EASILY have been locomotive. If it were a ship, it was a tiny one...
There's another locomotive that was built for the Pennsylvania Railroad called Reuben Wells, which was named after its creator, Engineer Reuben Wells, aswell as being designed to push train cars up the 5.89% incline on Madison Hill, which is located in Madison Indiana, and is also the steepest section of standard-guage track in the United States.
I am like old steam engines and the power they had. So many moving parts that have to work perfectly together.
I love steam power and would love to see a return to steam with modern materials.
Those old engines put out amazing power.
The main issues with steam are: 1. Much higher maintenance costs than electric or Diesel electric. 2. When more than one locomotive is needed (double heading), each steam locomotive requires a crew of two. I frequently see trains with 10 or more locomotives. I love steam power, be it marine, rail, tractor, whatever, but it's just not economically viable.
"You know what sucks about being a Baldwin? Nothing!" -South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut
I can't believe they made 60,000 of them or 15 million model Ts. They must've really been cranking them out to make that many.
Actually, Bldwin made many more than 60000 engines, large and small. Do some research.
My grandfather worked on the hole in the wall that they made to roll it in there. In the 40’s my mother worked cat the Franklin Institute on the Eniac Computer
Idk, the loco that's cut in half so you can see how everything works at the National Railway Museum in the UK is pretty cool
We have one of those at Steamtown National Park in Scranton, PA by where I live. My favorite display 😊
@michaelfotta5781 What do they have in Scranton that's cut in half? I know they have one parked over an inspection pit with all the running gear labeled. But that's not cut in half
I actually owned the B&O Railroad for a while. Well, until I had to pay rent for a hotel on Marvin Gardens.
I cannnot believe I sat and stared at this comment for a full minute before I got it lmao
Bro I knew it was that train. This train will always be a part of my child hood
Union Pacific: Allow me to introduce myself.
At least they had the forethought not to scrap it! :)
The Americans should have asked Gresley. They needed his V2 master pieces.
Hey at least the Southern Pacific actually tried the 4-10-2 overland type and it was kinda successful, and one is also preserved SP 5021
5021 is a Southern Pacific, not an Overland, Overland only applies to the UP engines and they were all scrapped in the mid 50s… plus SP built theirs first so we should really be referring to the type as “Southern Pacifics” the same way we call 2-10-2s “Santa Fes” or 4-8-4s “Northerns”
Also yes, it was a moving display in the early 1960s but SP didn't like that. Unfortunately SP #5021 has a crack when it was accidentally dropped from a crane.
Overland's was the name used for the 4-10-2's on the SP, at least in nickname form
This locomotive deserves a chance to be operating again
Unfortunately I think it’s going to remain a permanent display.
@@Bennyboi_ Most likely, the wheel frame is too big. Plus, it will be millions and thousands for this thing to be running.
@@eliyahtherailfanner131 You’re absolutely right. But I’ve seen it in person, and its an absolute beauty. Would love to be a passenger at least once.
I’d love to see her running, but, her watertube boiler and unorthodox cylinder arrangement (for North America) led to early retirement and museum status.
the biggest hurdle woud be getting it out. Its isolated in the middle of a city, and it's in the basement.
I’ve seen some really cool steam engines but this one is probably one of my favorites
That's a big locomotive. It's a 4-10-2 Overland. It's one of the only two 4-10-2s preserved. BLW #60000 stuck on static display at the Franklin Institute
I remember seeing that engine when my folks took me to the Franklin in 1950😅
“Sixty thousandth,” not “sixtieth thousand.”
All it needed was a hinge point on the frame. Like a Big Boy.
Kind of hard when it has a third cylinder
The one feature that stood out is the Double return crank
A few classes of locomotives have his
Luckily enough my country Thailand has Baldwin Pacific class 3 cylinders which have double return crank
Why do you people throw white people off the top of your highrise apartment buildings?
Haven't been to the Franklin Institute in years. I need to go back and check this out.
BEAUTIFUL!
Thank you!!
The reason nobody bought it was the Watertube boiler and those never worked well on the Railroad and they stuck with firetube boilered locomotives
the Franklin institute still keeps this ol girl in good shape even to this day!
They do! I actually just saw it two days ago. Sadly, they removed a lot of the fun levers and components. It was missing the johnson bar.
I thought I recognized it somewhere… I’m a huge fan of the Franklin Institute
I went to see it and BOY was it huge
HOLY TRAIN, that thing could pull the Gustav cannon!!!😱🤯
Definitely could
What a great piece.
It's always so intriguing yet terrifying how enormous these locomotives are. These giant machines, designed to do work without asking questions.
Thanks for this... I'm gratefull, fav locomotive ever.
Absolutely brilliant piece of machinery real shame it never got to full service. Thanks for sharing.
That engine will never get up to 88 mph.
Engines literally rated for 70mph
I swear, some people have absolutely no spark in their lives whatsoever. 🙄
@@johnwayne3904 I don't see the flux capacitor anywhere
That's bc ol pal Tibbers swiped it hoping some spark will rub off on him 😆
@@tibbers3755whoosh!!
I struggle to believe there was even 60,000 steam engine locomotives, built in America never mind the 60,000 produced by one company.
Thank you for the information.
Interesting to think our current day technology will be put in a museum, with everyone thinking about how underdeveloped it all is.
It’s also interesting that this locomotive was put in a museum almost immediately after it was built because it was just too big and complicated for railroads and engineers.
>The Best locomotive
>Area restriction
Buh
Hey what else would you expect from philly
Gorgeous locomotive in person. She’ll never run again but she’s got a great home.
The Edsel was DESIGNED to be the best car ever. How did that work out???
I think there was a 4-12-2 in the States (??)
The last steam loco built in the UK was in a class of 9F 2-10-0s ... it was numbered 92220 and painted in passenger green livery and was named "Evening Star". It was slated for preservation when it was built and is in the National railway Museum in York (UK).
251 of the 92000 class were built.
The 4-12-2 was the UP 9000 class ... a Russian 4-14-4 class AA20 (5'6" Gauge?) was a one off mentioned where I checked the UP 9000.
Am I the only one who's a bit intimated by how big it is?
Okay since apparently I’m the only guy in this comment section who actually knows a thing or two about these locomotives, let me set the record definitively straight.
The 4-10-2 class has no official name, however Southern Pacific number 5000 was the first of the type built, in April of 1925.
Union Pacific built their number 8000 a month later.
Union Pacific called their class the Overlands, however Southern Pacific owned more and they were the first to purchase one, so following railroad traditions the 4-10-2 is called the “Southern Pacific” type, not “overland”
However seeing as only two railroads owned 4-10-2s, it’s more accurate to just call them by whatever their railroad did.
Southern Pacific called them the Southern Pacific class, with preserved 4-10-2 5021 being an SP-2 class, there were also the SP-1s and SP-3s.
Baldwin 60000 did not inspire SP to build the 4-10-2s, in fact it was built a full year later in 1926… not only was it not the first but it was actually one of the last 4-10-2s, if not the very last, as SP had already completed all 3 of their orders for a total of 49 locomotives, and UP would only own 10; number 8000 plus nine sisters delivered 18 months later.
SP must’ve been laughing their asses off when Baldwin sent them a “new prototype” that was literally just a clone of their latest locomotive but with a bunch of extra pipes added on 😂
If I remember correctly from my field trips 10+ years ago, you could actually go inside this locomotive. I'm not positive about that, though, because I was a kid, and the local school system ended up taking us there 3 different times
You can, they changed the train exhibit a lot, they took out the mystery aspect which was you had to find why an engine crashed. That area got made into a kids area but the poster is still up.
@@malice6081Now it is no longer the train factory and they are turning it into something entirely new. (They are keeping the train, though.)
Miniature railway will cry after this
For what it is, this locomotive deserved better. For being probably one of the most cutting edge American steam locomotives ever made, being a 3 cylinder compound (simular to many European, mainly french, locomotives and having an expeeimental watertube firebox. Because it was retired so early in life, a brand new science museum was about the only place it could go for preservation, as railroad museums were not a thing yet. This locomotive is basically as good as scrap considering its isolated in the basement of a large building in the middle of a city. What doesn't help is the constant rolling back and forth that this thing has done for the past 80 years, as well as the fact the museum likes to display this locomotive as "The Old-Timey Choo-Coo Steam Train Express to Destination Imagination Station!" or something stupid like that.
Very cool. Very big. It's not as big as the union pacific big boy which could do speeds up to 80mph but still a very cool piece of history
She’s beautiful
When confronted about their choice in wheel arrangement, Baldwin’s comment was “We thought it looked cool.”
I'm from Europe but you Americans have alot of cool locomotives :)
Coolest steam locomotive was built in York, Pennsylvania 1825. Founding father was Leonard Baumgardner 1755 1839 and was the richest person.
What is your fav railroad that you work on? 60000:yes
I was there and I saw the train! It was beautiful! I wish I was there again.
As a Baldwin, I can confirm that I feel *P R I D E*
Nice
Wish it still moved like it used to at FI
Yea
That is amazing that they're moving in on that temporary rail
That’s a good loop
What a monster! It must've been a sight to see running!
I think the UP Big Boys are up there with the coolest locomotive too, the largest and arguably strongest engines, a recent display of that was given by UP 4014 when it helped a stuck freighter in Blaire, NE.
Love that style of tender
Vanderbilts are really something special
my grandpa worked on the pennsylvania railroad
At least they had the sense enough to preserve this one
Love going to see it every now and again
I dont know alot about trains, but are those white wall train wheels? If so thats the greatest thing ive ever seen
Yep, even the little engines I operate have white walls lol
The Class 158 Sprinter is the best train and no one can change my mind on that! Edit: Class 170 turbo star is also cool
It was a demonstrator that resulted in zero sales anywhere. Therefore, it's the coolest locomotive ever built.
350 tonnes?
Holy moly.
Thats the same as a boeing 747...
Almost twice as much!
Idk personally I think the streamlined coronation class locos are the coolest
This is wonderful!
Yes and Baldwin locomotive had shops, foundries, repair yards and manufacturing employing 10,000 people in Philadelphia! Times change, industries change, technologies change.
To add to the coolest ... how about thr SAR 16E pacific ... 6' drivers on 3'6" gauge ... cast steel bed frames, all roller bearings and rotary cam valve gear.
There were 3(??) streamlined (Börsig?) Deutsche Reichsbahn 4-6-4s on 7'6" drivers ... which was pretty cool from the picture I saw many years ago. I cannot find any now.
Other cool locomotives were the Yellowstones (2-8-8-4 Mallets) ... especially those on the coolest named Railway (??) ... Duluth Missabe and Iron Range 😊
Pretty cool.
most beutiful engine ive ever seen is a castle of a terrier coinsidently my icons a castle
Man that was so cool no company wanted it because it was unusable.
What a lovely steam engine was manufactured best locomotive everseen loves 💘 much,young generation must have look and enjoy our generation locomotive 🚂 ♥
hi, mallard here, wtf you on? 😂
Riding on two little steel rails
No, the S1 was the coolest steam loco ever built.
Quite interesting indeed. From what I read, #60000 could only handle the straightest and sturdiest track, which is why it eventually ended up in the Franklin Institute, and as the story goes, the top of her smokestack just barely grazed the ceiling as she was being rolled in.
It wouldn't push the DeLorean to 88 mph.
Hey you! Yeah, you- you know what kinda train this is?
Such a clever segway.
60th thousand? Sixty-ith thousand?!
Sixty thousandth. 60,000th
steam locomotives and phonk go hard
We can get some of those special logs from doc brown and we can get her speed up to at least 88 miles per hour
I'll never understand why Americans and British locomotives are so different
Saw it and it was a beauty
Beautiful
Thank you!
the Spruce Goose of it's day
I've been on it many times!
Love the content have you ever seen the movie rails to the Catskills?
Only a few 4-10-2’s survive today, that’s a rare wheel arrangement
I thought I recognized it from the academy of natural sciences museum. I liked the planes too