"KIZARU IS THE WEAKEST ADMIRAL!" ft @B.D.A. Law | One Piece Power-Scaling Discussion
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KOL talking about Onigumo as Kizaru’s summoning has me dying 🤣
“Fujitora’s an old man” younger than Akainu and Kizaru
😂😂
He can't see
@@rigvedsingh6200 "I'm legally blind!"
@Guccius Maximus I r u ok
Kizaru being the weakest Admiral is blasphemy.
Out the all old big three I agree but currently we have no clue whose the weakest.
I guess in personality he is.
But his fruit is dumb powerful, i doubt anything greenbull does will be stronger than what kizaru could do with ease.
@@orbboom6119 agreed
Dude first appearance was riding a fired cannon ain’t nothing sweet about him it is blasphemy
Aramaki > Fujitora > Kizaru
seeing these debates are just hilarious, a breath of fresh air really compared to your usual theory videos.😂😂👌
Favourite videos when they get together and KOL starts trolling and d laughing.
@@Bluejayhunt both of their laughs get me
Yup strongly agree they should keep doing them
Power scaling lol
The kizaru disrespect is insane
Not only Kizaru but the admirals in general, I know people like to power scale and everything but things we know now about Haki and Devils fruits where not in Odas mind until later, u can clearly see for example that Crocodile being the first Shichibukai defeated was a mistake cause by marineford he goes toes to toes with some of the marine heavy hitters.
The reason oda used Green Bull the way he used is to let us know that the next time they battle the admirals will be stronger than ever that includes awakening for the devils fruit users and Haki mastery, so trying to power scale them now kinda irrelevant.
@@glcsander Very interresting take . I disliked how oda used Green bull to hype up shanks.
But there's no doubt that GB was gonna fold yamato and the scabbards and maybe even do a lot of damage to the strawhats , that's why shanks intervened even .
why would he intervene if he knew strawhats could handle him then ?
I think Green is strong af, he only was dettered by the #1 in the verse arguably
@@moonsama395 kid and law crew are there so they beat the scabbards n Yamato only. No damage to any crew if u actually think abt it. Maybe if GB like kidnaps nami? Then I could see hits being taken
I swear during marineford kizaru was the only one not to get touched.
Bc he wasn't touched, ppl are just out here slandering Kizaru.
As in he took no damage? Then yes you are correct 😂
I don't think he has to be touched if he's serious
Kizaru and aokiji were pretty fresh at the end of the war, only admiral that was damaged in the whole story was akainu by an enraged yonko, and even then he got back up and kept fighting everyone till another yonko showed up, ppl disrespecting admirals way too much.
Well technically Marco kicked him into the ground pretty early in. But obviously that did barely anything to him lol
Why is kizaru so slept on
I personally take him over aokiji
Yeah .. I think that the guy doesn't give a fck just wanna troll everybody
Cuz he can
So slept on. We haven't seen kizaru go full beast mode yet! Imagine when he stops trolling. That'll be scary!
Yup. He dogged the supernovas
Me to
@@ScoobaSteveNCearly supernovas? Thats not even impressive considering what other admirals did
KOL was tripping. But Kizari underestimation by Law is blasphemous. lmao
Yeah but He will be the weakest sdmiral in the end of the Story because fujitora will leave and sanji will fight kizaru and zoro greenbull. And we know Oda always let the number 2 fight with zoro and number 3 with sanji
@zohrabeslem9058 you are genuinely crazy if you think people will be viewing greenbull as #2 and kizaru as #3
I personally think Marco is the strongest commander we have seen which is why he held out so well against the admirals. He was also able to pressure 2 commanders
I feel is the most logical thing. He held off king and queen for a good amount of time. He is the first mate of white beard who was on par with roger. He took attacks from admirals and kept going. He and blackbeard were the next yonkou canditates after whitebeards death. I dont think all yonko first mates are equal and so far he is the most impressive. I could be wrong but thats my opinion.
KAT is!
Benn beckman is the strongest commander
@@jaredbowen3527 could be.
@@BlackHand531 could be. At the very least he is the most cool.
Aokiji wasn't paying attention and Jozu got a hit on him, made him bleed. Jozu wasn't paying attention and he was done for in a single attack. The only time we even saw Kizaru bleed was when he had that scuffle with freaking Rayleigh. Akainu is a straight up unstoppable monster that literally tore through multiple white beard division commanders, a shichibukai and a revolutionary commander. Green Bull's just no diffed two of Kaido's strongest men. Whitebeard and Roger's respect for Sengoku cements how much of a monster that guy is. The argument that admirals are somehow significantly weaker doesn't make any sense. They can go one on one with anyone in the story right now.
Yes Admiral can match Yonkou, but still Admiral will lose against Kaido, Shanks, Mihawk and Blackbeard.
@@thehanma2776 and Big Mom !
@@thehanma2776
We don't know anything about shanks , vista was fighting head to head with vista we dunno how can we scale him like this , Blackbeard we also didn't see anything from him in post timeskip either and in pretimeskip he was running away from akainu and shanks so can't powerscale him that way either
Kaido - if we put kaido in whitebeard place in marineford he would just die even less time than whitebeared imo lmao
@@lunaticlars547 you must be reading a different manga lol
@@lunaticlars547 Bruhh Kaido is stronger than Old Whitebeard, and Kaido is 100% sure to beat Akainu.
Blackbeard's Post Timeskip is much stronger than Blackbeard's Pre Timeskip. Never doubt Shanks, because Shanks' Haki is already incredibly strong, and Mihawk only expends 25% of his strength against Vista.
KOL was tripping during this chat.. If the Admirals aren't strong enough to beat commanders than the end game of the story is going to be a cakewalk and the Straw Hat Alliance will stomp the Marines.. The story literally dictates that the Marines have people that can fight Yonko because if not the balance doesn't exist.
KOL is a huge Yonko guy, I have been around for a while. I am not surprised, but I think you are underselling the possible tension left with other pirates or even the Gorosei. We do not know yet and it is speculation.
Personally think Admirals are close to Yonko level but that is just me.
@@twenty-fifth420 bro the gorosei trash. Idk what happend to them recently
Dragon gonna solo admirals 🤣
No. I believe KOL’s main point was it was 1st com
He's saying that the commanders aren't getting completely folded but of course you guys gotta twist kings words for your own agenda.
Greenbull in the latest chapter literally says, “I’d lose credibility as an admiral if I lost to you guys.” Referring to king and queen when he demolished them. What else do u need? Oda is literally spoon feeding you info that admirals NO diffs or LOW diffs commanders. Anyone that seriously believes that an admiral can get pushed to even a mid diff fight with a commander is delusional
Uh Kizaru mid diffing Marco is pretty believable.
@@tiltzzzz7770 marco needs mid diff to be beaten by any top tier
@@tiltzzzz7770 That is because Marcos has an OP ability that makes his fights battles of endurance. Damage wise Kizaru low diffs Marco but he can regen
@@tiltzzzz7770 that’s still a lil too much credit to the commanders. The admirals have always been characterized as being rivals (In power) to the yonko and the yonko alone. Given that, admirals are being compared as a direct rival in power to yonkos, commanders are scrubs in front of them
And Kizaru thought he could take on big mom and kaido ( he clearly cant) some characters just are overconfident. Greenbull most likely just snuck queen and king when they were offguard drinking. Sabo and the revs commander literally had a multiple day fight. They were most definitely pushed to atleast a mid dif in that fight
I think kizaru is way stronger then anyone thinks. Might be stronger then all of them. He has not for one moment gotten even a tad bit serious. It's a part of his character. We've seen the others do impressive feats on large scales but kizaru is just out here shooting beams of light and moving fast. In theory light ability is way stronger then the other admirable abilities. The only thing you should ask is "is this the extent of his power". If you think yes, you are greatly mistaken. If he does a large scale light attack, your finished. There is no running away from a massive radial light attack.
Exactly! I think he is definitely one of the strongest characters of the series. Definitely on par with the yonko!
Yea I have no doubt if none of the other admirals has future sight he def has it
The 3 OG admirals are all same tier and relactive to each other. I think Akainu is the strongest but barely. I mean he fought Aokiji and BARELY won. Akainu va Kizaru is probably the same thing an EXTREME HIGH DIFF
His ability alone puts him above his fellow Admirals for me. Fighting him means your observation has to always be at its best. The moment it drops, he spams you. Still extreme diff either way though
yeah 100% agree, Kizaru is way underestimated, I think people blow that Ben Beckman scene way out of proportion as if Kizaru wasnt just trolling. If he ever actually takes any situation seriously I think he is gonna be top 5 in the verse at the very least (of course this is all in my opinion.) I dont even think he was taking two yonko seriously he was casually ready to go to Wano and didnt seem shook at all.
here's the main problem with kol argument. big mom vs marco happened. she didnt low diff him no were close. She even said it would take some time to beat him so using marco as a way to discredit the admirals is a false argument
Yea because Marco and Beckman are above the general 1st commander level to me. Even so I think even tho it would take time, it’d still be a low diff for Big Mom.
@@JK_073 the fact that it would take big mom time to beat marco makes it a mid diff
@@commando61961
This dude bugging Sayin it's a low Diff while agreeing it would take time. Some peeps are just dumb I guess.
@@jaymvpkaboss557 they simply dont know what dif means they just say it to sound smart
She still overwhelmed him much faster than any admiral did in marineford and the whole reason marco was able to clash with her was good matchup while he had no problem clashing with akainu on multiple occasions
Isn't Kizaru literally the only admiral we never saw hurt isn't he?
Rayleigh made him bleed in sabaody, but it was just some little scratch on his face
@Karan Veer as i said, when Rayleigh attacked him, just go check the manga or anime dude
@@iudexe3103 only cus kizaru was trying to ignore rayleigh
Yb this guy is hella mad Kizaru was the only character in the whole verse who got the best of Whitebeard in a clash (not even roger achieve that , after he hit whitebeard he said whitebeard you become weak ,inflicting damage in and had 0 damage taken from all marienford war, it was even hinted that he wouldv beat Rayleigh due to Rayleigh huffing at the end saying that if he was at his prime it woudv been different, Kizaru continued to make fun of him
In of story KOL doesn’t know how to power-scale discussion over .
@@mohammedrebh9254 akainu also got the best of whitebeard..
15:45 OOF. I just realized this was 3 weeks ago. I KNOW Brago feels some type of way🤣
Kizaru is definitely the STRONGEST current admiral. Y’all underrate him just because he has no new world feats yet smh
Would say yes and no cause he gets nerfed cause he doesn't take anything seriously
I had Kizaru over Aokiji before the revelation at fishman Island.
Kizaru arguably had the best showing against whitebeard in marineford.
He's the only one that Whitebeard didn't fold.
Immediately Marco attacked him he got back up, as of nothing just happened.
@@mrsyarn9097 Very true
@@mrsyarn9097 Aokiji got the best moment vs wb actually
Not including Akainu yeah definitely can make that argument.
Marineford was a war. The admirals can't just go berserk when they risk wiping their own side as well. The commanders can give them a good fight, but the admirals can wipe them easily if they let their guard down.
That argument for the admirals is old. The admirals were ordinary back in marineford... Ignoring the fact that if they were semi competent with haki they should be able to dominate without causing mass destruction. As kaido vs luffy clearly showed.
@@gaeron1305 The thing is though kaido and luffy were on a free space on the rooftop alone in a 1v1 i doubt they would have been able to do the same thing without worrying about their side if they fought on the main floors like the rest.
@@xtruhumble2917 I don’t think kaido would care tbh lol
@@unknownplayer7667 Yeah i know im just saying in general, the admirals if anything to this date compared to what was shown would probably have been way more dangerous as haki has been advanced for into the story as of now.
So Akainu and Kizaru shoot out Massive Aoe Attacks and you guys are talking about " they can't risk wiping their own side as well" You people are clowns.
Let me stop you right there King Marco does not Ever get blown away by Akainu that is Anime only filler. In the Manga he holds off the attack completely.
In the manga Akainu VS WB is different, so?
Anime is always the final draft.
Marco and Vista did a combined haki attack on Akainu and it did no damage. They can't even injure Akainu and they couldn't stop him from injuring Luffy 🤷♂️
When Neko told Marco that Luffy was going to challenge Kaido, Marco almost pooped his pants from hearing about Kaido lmao he was spooked
Not true. In the Manga he blocks off Akainu and very very shortly after Whitebeard hits Akainu from behind.
Its not like Akainu got time to whoop Marcos ass in the manga. Theres a reason why Akainu didnt get tickled when Marco and Vista blitzed him with haki
I LOVE these power scaling discussions since they remind me so much of me and my friends when we talk about one piece
The strongest first commander we’ve seen is Dark King Rayleigh imo. I know he has been “decommissioned” since Roger passed, but Rayleigh was like Rogers Zoro and I legit don’t think any other Yonko has a “Zoro” except Roger had with Rayleigh.
And kizaru was making this mf sweat after a few moments of clashing, people fucking SLEEP on kizaru and rayleigh.
What about ben beckman? «He's incredibly powerful in terms of physical combat. His card even says that
"Comparable to Red Hair's, this man's existence is feared by even the powerful
warriors of the New World!!". It's unclear if existence refers to power, authority,
or whatever else, so take this with a grain of salt»
Katakuri is pretty farkin strong too, I reckon he beats king.
Also shiryu is going to be ridiculous.
Didn't oda say in an sbs that Beckman is almost as strong as shanks?
@@infamousknight6265 Yes he did. He called the sun and moon. Benn beckmann will be insane powerful when introduced. People make fun of that Kizaru wasent affraid of him and just trolled. But I gurante you Kizaru know that Beckmann is the strongest first mate of any yonko and is the only current first mate that is Admiral level. Shanks has the most balanaced crew and shanks bounty is over 4 bil I think Benn beckman Bounty will be around 3 billion thats how insane I think he is.
Fujitora asked Greenbull to run the fade & he said "I'm NOT tryna catch that." Fujitora just holds back when we see him like Kuzan. Greenbull is more ruthless like Akainu.
No greenbull casually said "I'm not looking for fights"
Oda has also said in SBS that greenbull and fujitora have a relationship
It's not power scaling
@@heroricspiritfreinen38 no admiral can defeat the other without a death battle
@@zoropiratehunter4103 didn't ask and didn't disagree
Greenbull is not more ruthless than akainu lol akainu was about to kill coby who is a fellow marine all for the sake of justice. Akainu was also attempting to kill every pirate on the battlefield even after the war was over.
People mistake Fujitora's kindness for weakness unfortunately. He's the Tiger for a reason
Saying kizaru is the weakest just broke me
idk how any1 could look at Fujitora and not think he is clearly the weakest
@@darkoplax7688 I agree
@@darkoplax7688 What? how do u even know that. Idk y yall think there is a weaker admiral what so ever. What if they r all the same strength just like akainu and aokiji
@@uncomfortabletruths7990 akainu and aokiji aren't same strength, there was a clear winner
and no, not a single organization has "equal" members , the yonko the yonko commanders the warlords and the admirals , there's clear strongest to weakest hierarchy
just think about it when Zoro and Sanji gonna fight admirals they won't be equal opponents just like mr1mr2 kakujabura kingqueen , there's a clear distinction
@@darkoplax7688 Nothing is known how Akainu won but they fought for 10 days. Not to mention has been known to use underhanded tactics to gain an advantage. Their will eventually be a winner regardless of the outcome. That is like saying Luffy beat Luci in the cp9 arc so he was far above him at not his equal at the time. Guess Garp wasn't equal to Rogers despite being said to have almost killed him in multiple occasions.
The thing that confuses me about the debate against admirals being OP is mainly the end game of one piece. Who from the WG is gonna present a threat if their strongest fighters besides one or two are just slightly better than 1st YC's? The way I've always seen the story is whenever we see an admiral fight they for what ever reason never need to try that hard. There have been times like marineford when they have struggled, but nothing even close to being hard pressed. I don't know I think some people are gonna have a real hard time accepting when an admiral goes all out.
Exactly Akainu was shown to fight All commanders by himself Then went on to fight aokiji for 10 DAYS so aokiji logically could do the same thing meaning the commanders could stall at best. In marineford In the manga and anime its stated Its sengoku vs Blackbeard and co. On one side, And akainu vs the commanders on the other so What was kizaru and Aokiji doing???? 🤔 After that they show them attack the submarine but they weren't in the action so they were just standing around
One word. Gorosei. Also maybe IM. My thing is I lose all remaining respect for the admirals if they are serving weak old men and greedy men while they are 1000x stronger each. That would mean akainu is getting chewed out by people he could crush without his df. All he'd have to do is get the admirals on his side, kill the CD and remake the WG in his own image. That is what any yonko with OP coc haki would do. Yet people say he has the best coc in verse. Ha
@- SageAegis - It 1000% does. It makes all of the admirals look bad. Are you going to tell me that it wouldnt make kaido or BM look really bad if they took orders from orochi or strusen?
@@gaeron1305 the police are way stronger amd fit than the old men they serve could kill them easily but we dont see them doing that dont we
@@scarfacexxzzyt50yearsago52 one cop can’t take over the entire government by himself with just his strength
kizaru is being underestimated and underrated just bc he's literally the only admiral that doesn't take anyone serious, only reason he does that is bc he's a sociopath that knows he can take down nearly anyone he wants. Man offered to go to Wano by himself knowing that Kaido, Big Mom, Luffy, Captain Kidd, Law, King, Queen, Sanji, Zoro, Marco and etc. Not saying he can take all these people down but he must think he stands a chance to confidently wanna go to Wano. Like he could probably take down Marco, Sanji, Zoro, Queen, King but he's not going over there for them the bigger threats are Kaido, Big Mom, Luffy(which he probably doesn't Luffy serious yet), you really think he gone go to Wano knowing these major threats are here that can clap him but he was still trying to pull up! Crazy. Wait until Oda unveils Kizaru true abilities when serious.
The admirals have never been serious. They seem to hold back.
yes.... they barely move, it's clear that they hold back......
@@admiralcon.doriano8026 what about akainu
We've seen Akainu get serious but I think that's it
Only one semi serious is Akainu
Akainu's whole thing is him being serious n taking things to the extreme so ye he was definitely serious
Maaaan, il gladly eat the words I’m gonna say if I’m wrong, but I can’t wait too hear the excuses KOL will make when we see the admirals go full throttle and show just how superior they are to 1st division commanders.
I’m just tired to hear the diss Kizaru has gotten for not being able to one shoot Marco when Big mom couldn’t one shoot him.
Comparing marco and kizaru is not a diss
Big mom didn't have Marco with seasoned cuffs?
@@delbanking9940 your point being?
@@Flashstrike4 Big Mom had trouble taking out a Marco with powers. Kizaru couldn't even kill the man weakened by seastone cuffs and no powers. Let's not forget big mom had Marco in her grip in one cut away. But Kizaru failed to get Marco under such a situation the entire arc.
@@delbanking9940 bm was fighting him 1v1 kizaru was going all over the place defending mf if it was just kizaru and marco without his powers do you really think that marco could survive a single Yasakani no Magatama or even a laser beam to the head? Also kizaru was the only person who survived mf without a scratch on him, marco is a glorified heal tank with a cap you just have to make him hit the cap witch lets be honest not a lot of ppl can do to marco’s credit but once you get to the top tier’s it’s really not that hard for them and considering the fact that two of kizaru’s piers went ham for 10 days id say that kizaru could at the very least out last marco with medium difficulty.
Kizaru like one of those hoopers tht dont even be tryin and still drop 30. Kizaru second strongest admiral, with akoji an admiral In my belief.
His green bull take didn’t age too well huh lol
Love the Collab videos with bda you guys funny asf w good insight hope there's more to come
Brago schooling KOL on his own channel is crazy💀
i wasn't surprised brago actually uses logic and stuff from the story to defend his arguement. king would get slaughtered by any of the credible guy's on the bda discord 🤣
Crazy, yet to be expected.
KOL got his emotions involved. Yonko haven’t low diffed anyone of significance and get beat by rookies 💀
You guys are crazy. Brago has zero facts and just says bs half the time
@@23beats28 brago have way more facts
Kaido having future sight doesn’t apply to Katakuri, Kaido himself is able to fight a way stronger Luffy than the one Kaido fought (remember when in Base Luffy started scaling to Kata, has G4 on top of this, then gets one tapped by Kaido😭) and this isn’t even Kaido going all out which we see over the course of the Luffy fight. Also Kizaru doesn’t even take damage from Marco, what are we doing here?
kaido on shotted luffy that was not using future sight so all what u said is false and base luffy was still getting destroyed by katakuri go re watch the fight
@@warwar4596 Right. Kat was vastly superior to Luffy most of their fight until a certain where Luffy got distracted by Flambe. Kat toke offense to that and injured himself. Even with that, Kat still overwhelmed Luffy in Snakeman. If Kat desired it, Kat would had stomped on Luffy after he climbed out of that hole while Kat was waiting.
@@christhechilled um, katakuri also passed out. And why does everyone act like only Kat was affected by flampe?
@@warwar4596 this is a misconception to some degree, if you look at the chapter luffy is fully focused on kaido the time before he gets blitzed, anime makes it look like he’s very heated so it’s easy to play the “he wasn’t paying attention” card but ultimately he was simply blitzed as he didn’t expect that speed to come out of kaido. Whether he used FS or not the attack was simply too much for luffy to handle
@Isidoro T He was talking about Luffy in a general sense not "your base form has surpassed me" the end of the fight both of them literally had almost no energy left like when Goku and frieza took Jiren out the ring, SSJ goku is not Jiren level nor is base luffy as strong as a fresh Katakuri untill udon training
I think Oda will make the Admirals as strong as he needs them to be for the story.
I can understand the logic.
Akainu is the strongest.
Aokiji is probably second strongest for fighting him as an equal.
Ryokugyu has recency bias for creaming 2 commanders easily.
Fujitora is probably weaker than Kizaru but he has gravity and high tier observation Haki, two excellent counters for light.
However I disagree. Kizaru is broken. He may not beat Akainu or Aokiji but he’s not the weakest admiral.
He can beat aokiji he can destroy his ice like👉 this bro
I'd argue Kizaru could fight Akainu the same way. He wasn't picked a candidate because he's not a leader, he's a follower. Stated in his vivre card
@@luffytaro3805 U know Ice isn't the only thing Aokiji has right. He had the elemental disadvantage against Akainu and still fought him for 10 days.
@@rand12389 but he can't freeze light right?
@@luffytaro3805 I’m sure Haki and awakening makes it possible. You shouldn’t be able to hit or kick light either but Marco can because of Haki. You shouldn’t be able to rubbify flesh or rock but Luffy does it because of awakening. Aokiji should be able to freeze anyone including Kizaru.
Admirals being compared to commanders is such as trash take. My god let it go
There are only two commander who can fight properly with admiral ( Rayleigh and Backman) but they are gone loose mid diff or high diff
Not a trash take at all.
@@TheMainMan364 worse than trash
Not a bad take
@@luffytaro3805 Admirals gonna lose if they fight ben or ray. they have enough haki power unlike rest commands who play.
KOL "you better pray"
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So refreshing to come back after chapter 1054 and 1055 😂 Sabo and a few good men🤣
Whitebeard was in his 70's fighting old age, his illness, and some heavy hitters and yet he's still considered top 30 post time skip after he died that's crazy
Crazy how Oda still called him the strongest man in the world.
Crazy how he won over Aakinu in two attacks
@@watermelonasu anime filler. In the manga the only two hits he gets off are 1 sneak attack and one counter. Akainu took off half his face, he deff won the exchange.
@@tgfs238 You are delusional? Whitebeard won the exchange with akainu almost falling to his death paralysed , while WB kept on going even after fighting everyone on marineford (the other admirals ect)
@@watermelonasu losing half your face and getting your brain punched out vs being sent flying and getting up literally the next chaper ready to keep fighting. You decide which is worse
No cap, im kinda in the boat of kizaru being akainu level and that he might be the inside agent for the world government as sort of a shadow fleet-admiral.
The dynamic is amazing between these bros man lol.
Kizaru is smiling the whole time he's dealing with Marco, Akainu takes on Marco with an army of powerful fighters next to him, jozu blind sides Kuzan and barely damaged him. Akainu killed ace and guaranteed WB would die with a single attack. Even if commanders have similar speed, their strength and lethality is lacking compared to any of the Admirals.
Exactly .... They have the same logic of someone saying that vista is as strong as mihawk
He just laughs to control the base of the conversation like... Can we have some logic omgggggg
Idk why people hype up Marco in his skirmish with Kizaru. Marco kicked him down and he was back up at light speed, with his hands in his pockets. That is the gist of how an encounter between them goes
Literally 1 kick and man makes a whole agenda over it🥶💀
A character smiling means nothing. Marco is one of the most powerful characters in the verse. Even Big Mom couldn’t low dif him. He fought her from 992-995 off panel
@@eyadtarek6973 Vista was contending with Mihawk and he respected him which further emphasizes how you guys downplay them just like how Marco fought Big Mom equally off panel 992-995
LMAO these admiral debates with KOL and brago have turned into a iconic meme
i see what's going on here. if kol doesn't have any solid canon feats to go off of he has a harder time properly power scaling. which isnt that offensive because Oda goes out of his way to limit how much screen time the admirals get. alot of people have a hard time seeing that oda was just giving us a glimpse of what the marines are capable of at marine ford. kols power scaling is based off canon portrayal and hes seen more of the yonko and 1st commander feats than he has of the admirals so hes having a bit of a difficult time relying on head canon. but the mere fact that oda did not show us what happened on punk hazard between akainu and kuzan should be enough to tell us that oda is saving the best for last.
i hope he doesnt do a Naruto tier ret-con and makes Aka mid diff Shanks or some shlt like that
@@Dan_Kanerva what if he was always this strong and the only time he got hurt was a sneak attack from the worlds strongest man
Nah this is headcanon. Fact is that there’s 0 feats or portrayal that puts the Admirals on the caliber you guys hold them except for the recent Green Bull one which is why it’s so controversial. To take that feat at face value contradicts a million things that came before it. Because he didn’t just win he dominated. Even Kaido and Big Mom didn’t dominate opponents who would be an overall lower threat than King+Queen
I love bda calm logic and replies
Kol ate the dance dance no mi, still can’t show definitively or even close to it, that the Admirals are close to Right lvl. It’s asinine to make the argument. You don’t get claimed as one of the strongest powers in the world next to the Yonkou in your journey to become PK by being close to any commanders lmao. Honestly starting to feel like he’s not that much better than Tyquan at this point 😭
This is why I'm subscribed to both there channel's. I love O.P. and I like the fun and intellectual conversations. It brings to us and the O.P. community. Great job, guy's.
Its so hard trying to compare admirals to 1st commanders when the feats are so inconsistent due to the story. What admiral past or present has Conquerors Haki? Conquerors Coating? Future Sight Observation? In a 1v1 between admiral and 1st commander(which will never happen in the story) this would be a major factor.
We can’t keep using Marineford as a battle reference
The WB pirates weren’t trying to “defeat” all the enemies like Luffy in Wano
They were trying to save Ace and dip, they didn’t need to be as strong as the Marine, just strong enough to stall them
Luffy needed enough people strong enough for the main threats since defeating Kaido was the goal
If saving Momo from execution was the only goal, Luffy wouldn’t have needed all the allies he had
Marineford was a rescue, Wano was a battle to the end
Their aim was to kill one Yonkou.. Marine Ford is the head base of the Navy which is the weapon of the WG. Bit of a discrepancy there lol.
@@Sambochini no their aim was to kill ace wb was just a bonnus
I just want to point out not to underestimate kizaru. When oda drew him as a child we could see that he was studying due to there being many books around him. Also the place where he was at was snowy. Since we know that vegapunk modeled the pacifistas beam after kizarus devil fruit poweres we could speculate that either kizaru and vegapunk are from the same snowy island where Franky also was and both of them might be related in some kind of way. Imagine kizaru acting dumb and lazy while being the most intelligent out of the whole marine.
Very true!
or maybe he is a Pacafista. the most perfect model Vegapunk created. Makes sense how Sentomaru, who is the only person we have seen command the Pacifista, order Kizaru around like like boss...as if Kizaru does not have his own free will, like he is programmed to follow a selected person
@Great Victory black leg made a video on it
These convos are my favorite pieces of one piece content
My one an only argument is this: Until we see the admirals display the Conquerors it takes for Conqueror's Coating, you CANNOT say that their durability is near, on par, or above someone like Kaido, Shanks, or Luffy. Debate if you want, but it's facts.
Shanks the guy who lost his arm to a goldfish? Coating doesn't make you more durable big mom and kaido been two of the most durable in the series since childhood
@@dubbgaminglee3863 shanks just didnt have his haki on lol
@@billalzerouali4436 thats pathetic lmao
@@dubbgaminglee3863 Shanks wasn't even an Emperor when he got his arm bitten off LMFAO. Also yea, CoC coating stacks with armament and increases attack/defense of whatever is being coated. We even see this happen directly when Enma starts letting off Zoro's CoC on top of his armament during the fight with King.
Yup. Even if Akainu gets suckerpunched into Oblivion and eats full power strikes by the most enraged Whitebeard... and gets back up with a mere nosebleed. Thats says nothing cuz we havent seen Conquerors haki yet. Weird logic
You can see Queens arms in the panel when GB stomps on them... And you can clearly see them being held down, choked, and abused
I don't think there's any value in trying to power scale off Marco's fights. Marco's fruit makes him a high diff fight for everyone in the verse. Not because Marco can actually threaten and defeat anyone, far from it, but he's a difficult fight because his fruit's regen makes him absurdly durable and hard to defeat.
So Kizaru vs Marco is worthless imo, since that fight is VERY similar to Big Mom vs Marco. Both fights happen during a war, both fights Marco is a distraction for their enemy, and in both fights they essentially disregard Marco, taking actions to try and subdue him instead while focusing on more important objectives. Big Mom even openly states as much, pointing out how defeating Marco would take too much time and soul energy.
I do think Admirals are weaker than a Yonko, but I think the gap between Admiral and First Commander is significantly larger than the gap between Admiral and Yonko.
Fr Marco vs kinn and queen is literally that statement. Marco is a dog and can hang with like basically anybody, but he can’t just thrash people
It’s not only the fruit you have to give credit to Marco’s physical strength aswell. He has the physical strength to keep up with these guys. Being able to take on a top tier evenly isn’t worthless imo, it shows he can hang with Kizaru and take his attacks even after being seastoned. So at the very least I believe it shows Kizaru isn’t going to have an easy time getting the W
I agree on the whole Yonko>Admiral>commander’s but I think it’s also important to look at the strength of an individual instead of their title. For instance even tho Admirals>commanders I believe some commanders stand out from the rest and can do much better against a top tier. Same goes for Yonko>Admirals, characters like Akainu/Kuzan for example can probably do better against a Yonko than the other Admirals. So there are some exceptions to the rule imo
9:12 "One Piece... Ohh Ohh... Does exist." 🤣
If we’re keeping it real form what we know currently the admiral ranking is (pre and post time skip considered)
1. Akainu
2. Kizaru
3. Aokiji
4. Fujitora
5. Ryokugyu
I hate when ppl just can’t simply say I’m wrong lol
i've been saying for years that the story doesnt make sense unless admirals have a fighting chance 1v1 vs yonko. otherwise the powerscaling just doesn't make sense... it would be ridiculously stupid to have the marines be that much weaker than pirates. my headcanon has always been like, if kizaru were to try to kill kaido 1v1, he would almost certainly lose, but he would put up a great fight, and probably have a few winning chances. It wouldnt make sense for it to be 'oh kaido no diffs kizaru'
I think it’s a high diff for a yonkou; they can only extreme diff another yonkou not an admiral.
"You know why the One Piece is not real?" This is the best fucking thing during this hiatus 😭😭😭
Oda had to literally spell it out throu greenbull that commanders have nothing on admirals , yet kingu still arguing
The ability of optubers to create discord over obvious things is hilarious
Sometimes, it's all about agenda
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Dude was beating on commanders who had just been defeated a week prior and still had bandages. You really shouldn't take everything characters in the story say as gospel because it gets turned around all the time. Even the "narrator" went back on the "Kaido wins" text box for the dramatic effect of it all
Doffy said the same thing, he even said he felt offended that Law and Luffy think they can challenge him.
@@MrKangorilla Do you realize that queen and king are zoan type devil fruit users + 1 week recovery time? I’m SURE they were in good condition given those 2 points above. Plus, the admirals are ONE OF THE 3 GREAT POWERS, if even one of them could be pushed into a mid diff fight with a commander then how tf do the navy have any chance of challenging the yonko. There are requirements to being an admiral and being able to deal with commanders easily is one of them. The navy don’t promote people into being an admiral if they don’t have the requisite strength to be able to challenge the top of the verse, this actually makes SENSE. Stop being delusional
You guys should just start a debate series. Energy is crazy together 😂
Admirals and yonkos are relative they’re the strongest members of the opposing sides of the story I don’t get how Kol thinks the navy’s “strongest force” is getting clapped by commanders😭
he said they are beating the commanders what are you saying ? clapped? yeah you watched the wrong video lol
@@teen2222 he said extreme diff though which is cap
@@lxfj2128 yeah you were saying lol
“Mindset I respect “ that didn’t Age well
Kizaru is on the same lvl of strength as Akainu and Aokiji
not akainu
he has the edge, i mean
Pre-timeskip yeah, but not quite since they dueled
the man is disrespected sooooo much
@@chrisanderson2056 how much power kizaru shown us until now?🤔( In%)
ngl i enjoy watching u both ona podcast.....i clocked just cause i knew it was gonna be funny and an ad is playing before the video starts as i type this comment cause i know this video gonna be 10/10 entertainment
Shanks loses an arm to an East Blue Sea King and is scarred by a Pre Yami and Pre Gura Blackbeard and was confirmed not to be taking it easy during this event, yet is considered the strongest in the series.
Admirals who have never been shown to go all out, and take one hit from commanders are significantly weaker than Yonkos … make it make sense
One Piece fans don't have enough I.Q. to read your comment
All those events are from a long time ago. Shanks wasn't even an emperor when he lost his arm to the sea king; those bandits would not have fucked with shanks if he was a yonko.
Similarly, he already had the scar from the first episdoe and he had been in luffy's village for about a year before he left. Meaning that scar had to have been at least a year older than even the first episode of one piece.
The sea king was 12 years before the current point in the story and the scar from blackbeard had to at least be 13 years before the story, because otherwise luffy would have been around to see shanks get the scar. Shanks had over a decade to develop since those events.
@@davidburke4101cope more
I can’t believe I’m hearing this conversation right now.
The problem with marco is the extreme regen/defense he has.
He can withstand any person except BB with easy. Cuz he will not die or get dmg easily.
But tanking atacks dont win fights,he lacks on dmg, what proves my point is zoro and sanji wins the combat against queen and king and marco do no damage on them. Yes he stall but ultimately he will not win many battles against many many players.
Marco had no real 1v1 fight neither in Marineford or Wano.
He's not the main character, dude. The story required Zoro and Sanji to take down King and Queen.
He lost too much stamina healing the samurai. He was there as support.
We've never seen him 1v1 anyone till the end. He's always clashing with multiple opponents back and forth, providing support. That doesn't mean he can't do damage.
Marco mid diffs King in a 1v1, both fresh. Zoro came fatigued from the rooftop to defeat King.
You telling me Marco who was clashing with admirals pre timeskip (when Zoro was a rookie) and survived Kizaru even though he was handcuffed with seastone can't do damage? That's bs.
King and Queen got clapped by an admiral. Ace got rekt. Jozu lost an arm.
Marco is the only commander we've seen clash with admirals, coming unscathed.
He did damage them tho go look at the manga. It’s also important to note Marco’s entire role was just to hold them back and support the live floor, not try and defeat them like Zoro/Sanji. He only showed a couple named attacks and still managed to make King/Queen (2 ancient Zoans) bleed. We don’t even know what kind of final attack Marco has or if he can awaken so saying he can’t do much damage isn’t that fair imo. Oda still hasn’t explored the full potential of his abilities yet
Your guys colabs are legendary, pls pls do more
i personally think kizaru is the strongest admiral
Now we need to see the new top 30
Marco was able to make king bleed in his flame form so. He can definetly hurt an admiral
Marco and Vista did a combined haki attack on Akainu and it did no damage. They say it did nothing and Akainu calls them annoying. Marco and all them Commanders couldn't stop him from injuring Luffy
Green bull Nodiffed King & Queen where Marco was gassing out trying to hold them busy.
Huge difference
@@timorbalimore4011 Marco ran out of stamina cause he was healing a couple hundred dudes with his flames which takes a lot concentration even if he focuses. But he def looses to an admiral.
But he was already shown fighting Kizaru. And he didn't scratch him or Akainu once. Akainu said his haki was too weak to even hurt him
@@rand12389 No, no, no, Marco explained that the healing only works if the person it's healing has stamina. NOT if Marco has stamina
''Onigumo was Borsalino's summoning'' 😂😂
Idk how KoL could talk so confidently without using any factual context to back it up 🤣
There’s barely anything factual because they are power scaling admirals. Oda left too much room. This debate can go either way until Oda gives us actual strength feats post time skip lol
@@ahmedj1254 Greenbull in the latest chapter literally says, “I’d lose credibility as an admiral if I lost to you guys.” Referring to king and queen when he demolished them. What else do u need? Oda is literally spoon feeding you info that admirals NO DIFF or LOW diffs commanders. Anyone that seriously believes that an admiral can get pushed to even a mid diff fight with a commander is delusional
But I’m with KOL on this one. I think Brago is not as willing to be open to discussion that are against his beliefs.
@@ahmedj1254 KOL’s only arguments are cheap shots that commanders got on admirals when they weren’t even paying attention. His head cannon is unreal. How is Brago suppose to reason with KOL, given his unreal head cannon
@@ahmedj1254 Theirs literal dialogue and context the is pretty heavy handed. If you or KoL wish to misinterpret what the story is telling you that's your prerogative.
KoL is literally doing making gymnastics to prove his points whenever hes trying to argue his Admiral agenda. Everyone else uses the story, KoL likes to use what ifs. Such as the translation telling us that Greenbull gave king and queen and warning before beating them and goes only defense was "what if it's a mistranslation?" Lol
KOL, did you see "Legend" the fan movie based on Dragonball? You should. That animation is CLEAN!
stop underestimating kizaru i really think he has the upper hand and a better match up vs aokiji,Greenbull,fujitora all of them are below him when it comes to devil fruit,strength,speed
Here goes KoL again with his judge top 5 lmaooo
can we please collect bold statements from KOL here?
"Robin is overrated". KOL stated that she will never get a bounty higher than 500 millions. few chapters later robin one shots 480 million pirate black maria.
"the most wortless haki technique" being full body haki. one chapter later jinbei sucessfully uses full body haki against whoswho.
I don't usually comment but I love when you guys link up, this really how I be arguing with my friends about one piece 🤣
BRago cant keep tryna argue that all the admirals have future site and then keep saying Jozu caught Aokiji off-guard. Tryna have his cake and eat it too smh. If Jozu can catch you offguard, then Katakuri is definetely going to be an Extreme Diff!
what make you think mochi boy beat jozu ??
The title is hella facts
Still... STILL my favorite admiral
I love how Brago really doesn't wanna agree with KoL that he was struggling to say yes when asked if Katakuri will defeat King.
maybe greenbulls attack, bc he seem to be sucking life is extra effective against zoans.. just saying.. and against akainu its basically charizard vs venasaur.. which is super uneven
It's now confirmed Greenbull is.
please BDA read the vivre card that say marco faced the admirals as equals
none of the admirals went all out and marco can only match them defensively for a short period of time due to his rapid regeneration from the fruit. offensively he stands NO CHANCE to hurt an admiral and defensively he will eventually crumble to ANY admiral. But sure, he was able to hold them back for a short period of time during the war. use your brain
The king slander continues while kol slurps on that pink fuzz mochi
I’ve seen KOL argue that regardless if you’re injured, you can still output 100% attack power
Why doesn’t he hold the same viewpoint for king&queen?
Because it doesn’t benefit his argument lol he is just very biased
that applies to plot relevant fights that the hero grits through their damage to deliver their finisher e.g. Hajrudin, and Luffy and Zoro multiple times.
not off screened scuffles against former antagonists to hype the current antagonist, basic portrayal.
Personally, I think that King held back since his crew members were there and we see no lava and etc.
@@MrMidnight007 what? why would he care about his crew mates the only person he cares about is kaido
@@mohammadshahalam5763 How else would you explain it? King can use magma attacks but we see no of it in the prison background. Other explanation would be that he was too hurt to use it who knows?
“The One Piece is not real” -BDA Law (One Piece contentcreator”
1. Akainu was an admiral
2. Akainu after fighting an entire war btw, took on a combination of New World captains/WB commanders/former Warlords *all by himself.*
There's no question Admirals are >> 1st commanders. Quick small skirmishes mean very little, if they did, Yonko have their share of showings against weak competition as well.
Akainu showed up to meet the entire bb crew and they ran…..leavening the catch …. And beat ice man …..most feats in the story
@@mikephilllips7542 he legit have the best feat in the show so far
I finally agree with KoL, the Kizaru shade is coldddd
King of lightning and his terrible takes and takes everything out of context
Ayo here we go again 🤣😂 ran it back for round 2
Kizaru stood on WB's bisento, turned his back, and shot Luffy's key while WB could do nothing to stop him.
Excactly
An old Sickbeard 😂😂😂
@@dariuswilliams7509 Doesn't Matter He low diff him tho
@@dariuswilliams7509 That same WB caved Akainu's ribs in.
@@The_Doctor_K did he really or akainu blew his head off with one attack lmfao? You sound an anime only for mf
Love the video and keep up the great work KOL
Marco loses but to say he gets folded ? I can’t subscribe to that. He gonna put in some work. I still have Kizaru over GreenBull and Fuji
I’m with having kizaru over green bull Fuji though? Ehh maybe
@@lennarthomas yah of course his DF is ridiculous he can shoot beam to meteor and destroy them in the air and he can destroy plants
Both of you guys dont know anything about Green bull so thats downplaying the admirals based on nothing again :)
@@lennarthomas gravity might be a bad match up for light but so far mainly based on portrayal I give Kizaru the light edge also I just think the OG 3 admirals are stronger than the new ones not that they can’t get a W in a fight but overall I think it makes sense for the new guys to be just a tad weaker.
Greenbull low diffs a 1st and 2nd Commander at the same time but people think Marco can take him 1v1 lmao nah Marco gets low diffed too 🤣
Injured or not, the fact that there were 2 of them and the statements Green Bull made, Oda is sending a clear message about Admiral vs Comander.
The fact that they were injured ABSOLUTELY matters
@@novsmith4547 injured, sure. But there are 2 of them. This is pretty intentional by Oda. It's like he's responding to the back and forth between fans. He even makes Green Bull say the words. That aside, I'm not sure why people are so against this, the story gets significantly less interesting if the admirals aren't absolute monsters.
Kizaru gets nerfed bc of his personality. If aikainu had kizaru fruit he’d easily be top 2 . Give kizaru some Initiative and he’s dangerous
That’s bs, kizaru had no problems with pulling up to wano
Umm....he could be top 2 ?? He is literally top 2 right now 😭😭 all these yonkos have are stupid blunt attacks.....Kaido couldn't even kill Kinemon with his multiple attavks from a mace that is bigger than an admiral. Give akainu one good hit on Kinemon....and he and his whole bunch loonies is dead. Just one hit 😭
@@BLACKMANBLACKMEN and he definitely would have if green bull wasn’t pulling up himself already. Oda wanted to him green bull the spotlight for his reveal.
@@zoropiratehunter4103 that’s just odas writing In not killing characters. You read the excuse it gave .
Akainu is already top 2
King is always Capping, Commander are all getting folded by Admirals
Brago kinda losing the debate a little bit, could’ve used better arguments, like Kizaru can’t put down Marco in a short amount of time, should’ve brought up Marco also showed resistance to BM and Kaido, especially BM who “needed” perospero to step in, even called him, that’s a real summon, not onigumo.
Also ask KOL if WB “needed” Jozu to help him fight aokiji.
No need to downplay Kizaru, I think Kizaru is at least as strong as Aokiji, only below Akainu. Marco’s ability has shown to be difficult for any top tier to deal with in a short amount of time, but he stops there, MF Marco shows less offensive feat than Jozu, Brago should’ve pointed that out.
And in term of short on panel feats, ask KoL Kizaru’s ridiculous feat vs WB himself, and if that indicates Admiral > Yonko, also who’s stronger, WB or Marco.
Yeah. I like Brago, but there's so much material that he can easily use against KOL that he never brings up.
Aokiji and Akainu are portrayed equal though
@Ty Hayes Akainu slightly stronger, they are portrayed like Kaido and BM, close but not the same.
BdaLaw x KingofLightning never disappoints
Hot take: Kizaru is the strongest Admiral but he's never had an opportunity to go all out like Akainu has. The only reason people think Akainu is the strongest is because he's the only one with extended combat feats.
He's just lowkey, has Kizaru even taken damage? Bled? It's almost like Kizaru is a character that makes sure it's a definite win with little to no loses. Let's others fight while he sizes up the opponent
@@supasage8131 I really like the analysis of Kizaru that he's a sociopath. Always playing with his food, getting the most enjoyment out of watching his targets squirm around in fear.
@@azrael5493 it makes even more sense that he takes his time cause he's literally the fast being in the verse.
akainu is no longer an admiral
the prisoners were shouting king sama behind the prison bars that means that king and qeen are captured and weakened