The scene in which Professor X is forced to walk up the stairs even though he’s paraplegic was really weird to experience in the theatres. When I was there, there was a big gasp at what we were expecting but we all tried but failed to stop laughing out loud. 😂🤣
That Jake Gyllenhaal reference 🤣🤣 , for all who don't know Jake starred in a movie called Nightcrawler (great movie btw) that had nothing to do with the X-Men
I know about this movie only because EVERY SINGLE TIME I saw something about it I got momentarily excited that Nightcrawler had his own film!! Still bitter.
@@OnMyMindEntertainment "Honest Trailers Commentary | X-Men: Dark Phoenix" ua-cam.com/video/RbDVKsJd5UI/v-deo.html It's a long one, so it might be too much for a reaction, maybe just something for your own personal enjoyment. In it, the team dissects the movie's faults, answers fan questions, and adds their own extemporaneous humor. 😆 SJU does these Commentaries for many of their HTs. This one's pre-COVID, when life was normal. #AhTheGoodOleDays 😩 Enjoy! 👌🏽
@@Ladykyra101 The fact that Marvel is about to make a Deadpool/X-Men movie starring the original X-Men cast...disproves Screen Junkies' claim about this being the last movie from the X-Men universe. That alone invalidates a lot of the criticisms they had against Dark Phoenix.
What makes me mad is that the Director is a big fan of X-men as the aliens are a real species in the comic as they are the aliens that died when Dark Phoenix destroyed their sun in the comics. The bit of the changing the ending seems to be real as I think that the director wanted the Hellfire Club to be the villains of the movie as they were in the comic, and it would have come full circle with them being villains in First Class and being the villains again in the last movie (No I don't count New Mutants as the last movie of X-men movie). Seems like the studio said no and he needed to change the story, which it seems to show with how messy the story was.
What do you mean? This was made to be a Phoenix origin movie, not an adaptation of the whole Dark Phoenix Saga. It was meant to be the start of duology/trilogy. There is a whole section of this on its Wikipedia page with sources cite.
@@agentofchaos7456 there's still no way any of the other trilogy movies will ever come out since this flopped so hard. They "screwed it up" again. That's what the comment was saying.
@@gregmurdoch3809 Yeah, the commenters thinks that movie was adapting the whole saga in a single film like many others did. It was a narrative that was invented online and people ran with it.
@@gregmurdoch3809 No offense, but you're comment didn't age well. Because Marvel Studios is about to make another X-Men movie starring the original X-Men cast.
They were on SUCH a good roll! Days of Futures Past kinda sorted the timeline stuff out and they were on course to just move forward with the 'New Era' and they just couldn't help themselves!
I heard that there might be a professor x cameo in the multiverse of madness, at least that is what was being discussed on some theory channels and I think that would be pretty cool, to have mutants be introduced via another universe through the multiverse
I tell myself they do the decade jumping thing as a way to give it more of that comic feel. In the comics, times change on par with the real world, but the characters barely age at all. I mean, the original X-Men have been around for 60-ish real years, but have only aged about 10 years at most. Also, I keep meaning to say, your intro music consistently gets that 80s song "I'm only human" going in my head every time I watch your videos! 😝😂 I know it's not the song, but there a very similar vibe to it, lol.
What makes you think Jean died? Literally nothing suggested that. In fact, she is explicitly stated and shown to be alive at the end of Dark Phoenix's cliffhanger ending.
As bad as Dark Phoenix was the best parts about the movie for me was Magento Michael Fassbender killed it and Professor X James Macovoy killed it I really do hope they come back to MCU as the characters when Magento said "there's always a speech but nobody cares anymore" I loved that line Cyclops's f bomb and the train scene that's about it
The fact that Marvel Studios is about to make a X-Men movie that stars the original X-Men cast...invalidates many of the criticisms against Dark Phoenix. For example: The Honest Trailers claims that it is the last movie from the X-Men universe and that is objectively incorrect. Seems that reviewers didn't know what they were talking about.
Ooooh. X-week for pitch meetings lol Also, did you do a double upload today because of the bad Honest Trailer voice from Dark Knight? I've never seen a content creator say 'skip this part' in a video lol
@@FireBirdSpinners They thought the movie was based on the Shi’ar arc of the Dark Phoenix Saga, when it was clearly based the Hellfire Club arc of the saga. All it did was replaced the Hellfire Club with aliens as the people to manipulate Jean against the X-Men. In fact, the Hellfire Club were going to be the villains as shown in concept art. They also claim the cosmic energy was controlling Jean, which from the animated series. The original story was about Jean being consumed by her dark side and that was what the movie was advertised to be about.
@@FireBirdSpinners All it did was changed who the villains were. That is the only major difference between the film and the Hellfire Club arc. It seemed like Screen Junkies was just pandering to their audience. They didn’t rewatch Apocalypse because one of them ask if Scott and Jean were couple in movie and the other answered “yes”, when they in fact weren’t (they had just met each other in that film). It’s clear that they were arguing blindly.
The best X-Men related movie is Logan, by a mile. Even my 70-year old Mom loved it. I think Marvel is gonna throw like $10 million at Hugh Jackman to turn up in an end credits scene to launch the X-Men into the MCU and then he'll just disappear. I really don't see how they can re-cast Wolverine at this point -- it's Jackman or no one. Inasmuch as I thought the kid who played young Han Solo did a decent job (it should have been Chris Pratt), I don't think audiences are going to accept a new Wolverine.
What was so extremely disappointing was how the 2 movies handled the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix saga. Those 2 story arcs probably my favorites mini stories in the animation show and comics.
This was a Jean/Phoenix origin story and it was meant to be the first chapter of a Dark Phoenix Saga trilogy. No offense, but how are you not aware of this? This was stated years before the movie came out. Also, there was no "Phoenix Saga" in the comics. That was something the 90s cartoon invented.
@@rogersmith3620 I think you need to do a little more research, in Uncanny X-Men #129-138 it told the story of the phoenix saga. Furthermore, if it was meant to be an origin story, it don't see how, when in xmen apocalypse, it showed that it appeared the power was simply hers all along. I dont see what in dark phoenix appears to be trying to tell an origin story.
@@fsociety7494 Uncanny X-Men #129-138 is called the "Dark Phoenix Saga", not the "Phoenix Saga". In the comics, Jean was manifesting phoenix-like energy YEARS before she actually become Phoenix (same thing with Hope Summers). This was shown in Classic X-Men #42. So the phoenix-like energy in X-Men: Apocalypse wasn't actually Phoenix, that was psychic energy from her mutation.
This movie was not good or bad, it was boring, which is the worst thing a movie can be, in my opinion. I thought the only thing it really had going for it was the action. Kinberg found a way to make the mutants feel like teammates who used their powers in conjunction with each other, rather than a bunch of individuals who happen to be on the same side. And that... was it. That's the only really good thing I can say about it.
@@agentofchaos7456 In theory, I like the concept on paper. But Kinberg botched the execution of that idea TWICE; first in Last Stand, then in Dark Phoenix. Jean's trauma being a way for the Phoenix Force to get a foothold in her mind and exploit her vulnerable state? Good idea. But for the life of me, I can barely remember a thing about it in this movie. And that also comes down to Kinberg as a director. He lacked the skills necessary to get the best performance possible, and while I think Sophie Turner is a capable actress, she needed a better director to get the best out of her strengths and mask her flaws. This is something that James Gunn excels at. The script and direction did not do her any favors. I also like the idea of Charles being a flawed individual who grossly miscalculated how to handle Jean's trauma. But this idea is also something Kinberg failed to execute twice. Xavier being a flawed person is a nice touch, but it's something the First Class generation of movies had already dealt with, and in my opinion, resolved. I think the basic premise of this movie could have worked with someone else directing, and if the script had gotten some more time. Seriously, the big dialogue showdown comes to: "Your emotions make you weak." "No, my emotions make me strong." That's not dialogue. That's placeholder dialogue that got left in until it was too late to do anything about. I know Kinberg can write better than that, but I think the pressures of directing his first film - and that film being a massive blockbuster - got to him. Someone else should have directed this with Kinberg serving as the story supervisor and Executive Producer, so he could still have an active roll in the development, but not been in the director's chair. I think under those circumstances, the concept of Jean's trauma would have played out much better, and made for a better movie overall.
@@TheBoondocksaint117 The issue with X3 wasn’t the script, it was the direction and rushed production. Kinberg was only one of three co-writers on that film alongside Zak Penn and Matthew Vaughn. Matthew Vaughn was director of X-Men: First Class and he was going to be director of X3 after Bryan Singer left, but dropped out because didn't give him enough to make the movie he wanted to make. Then Brett Ratner was hired as director and shot it quickly with major things left out in the script or flat out changed. That said, Jean wasn’t really traumatized in X3. It was stated that Xavier suppressing Jean’s powers lead to her developing a split personality and she automatically had became evil. It was basically another poor depiction of dissociative identity disorder and that wasn’t in the script. Dark Phoenix is closer to what was written in X3’s script. I don’t blame you for not remembering much about the film. That’s the result of rushed storytelling due to the short runtime. Lindsay Ellis has a video on the Transformers films being forgettable due to rushed storytelling (“Why is it So Hard to Remember What Happens in Transformers?”). The movie had to be re-edited to be a standalone film after the studio was bought by Disney, under the assumption that Marvel would discontinue the series. An assumption that proved to be false it seems. As for the line about emotions: that was a callback to Days of Future Past. Where the older Xavier tells the younger that his pain will make him stronger if he has hope. Xavier also gives a hope speech in this movie.
@@rogersmith3620 yes I do. But since both stories span 20 issues or so... I don't see them ever successfully doing a phoenix story in one movie. I would be happy to be wrong though
There is a reason why even Iman Vellani avoids this film and it got Razzie and its not even the lowest score Marvel film getting higher than Morbius , Howard the Duck and Fant4stic-On the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, 9% of 263 critics' reviews are positive, with an average rating of 3.6/10. The website's consensus reads: "Dull and downbeat, this Fantastic Four proves a woefully misguided attempt to translate a classic comic series without the humor, joy, or colorful thrills that made it great."[1] As of 2023, it the lowest-rated film on Rotten Tomatoes out of all theatrical films based on Marvel Comics properties.
I didnt watch the movie because I didnt care about jean at all. The only reason I even played attention to her before was because wolverine liked her but now that hes dead I just dont really care about anyone except Charles, magneto, and quicksilver
Not great. Not even as good as X-MEN: THE LAST STAND, in my opinion, But this is a decent film. I especially like the opening space rescue and the climax on the train. Seeing the mutants work together with their unique abilities. I want more of that come the MCU.
The honest trailer claims that it's the last movie in the X-Men universe. Yet Marvel Studios is making a Deadpool/Wolverine crossover movie starring the original X-Men cast. It's safe to say that honest trailer isn't really honest.
Honest Trailer had no idea at the time that there was going to be a Deadpool/Wolverine crossover movie with the original X-Men when this Honest Trailer was made.
@@dsfddsgh No idea? Back in early 2018, Sebastian Stan (the actor who plays Bucky Barnes in the MCU) revealed that it was possible for Hugh Jackman to return as Wolverine. Disney also confirmed that the Deadpool series was going to continue. Both of these were pretty big news at the time and was over year before Dark Phoenix was released in theaters. So it just seems like they were being intelligently dishonest.
I watched Batman and Robin because I thought “how bad could it really be” and I’m trying to not get suckered in by that attitude again but I liked the trailer of this one
@@matthew7306 The Last Stand did NOT have a better portrayal of mental illness. The Dark Phoenix in the Last Stand is an ableist caricature. The people saying it is a better portrayal clearly never studied mental illness.
It wasn't a single story. It was a series. Hence why it was called the Dark Phoenix "Saga". I mean no offense, but have you've ever read the Dark Phoenix Saga yourself? Or have you just simply heard about it?
How did she absorb the power after the last movie? There things are sometimes unclear. How did nikki minaj get considered a musical artist instead of an annoying homeless girl? Honestly, she should be used in horror movies when they want to save on makeup.
My only question is (and, don't get me wrong this movie is a piece of shit but) how you gon' complain the characters never age as if they're not based on a medium famous for characters never aging?
10:40 "But you had fun?"
"I DID YEAH!"
"Well that's all that matters then."
"Thanks!" 😁
Lmao the way he smiled and said thanks always gets me!
Straight up! Lol!!
Yeah the exaggerated pride 😂😂😂
@@someonefromcanada2668 😂🤣😂
He’s 42 at this point, but 42 is 60 if you round it up a couple times. 😂😂
Round up a couple of times!! LOL!!! The whole decade change thing was pretty ridiculous.
Ooooh! Using make believe instead of make up is TIGHT! 😂
6:47 it's the 90's
It's the 90's and I'm here with our time traveling reporter
I understood that reference
The scene in which Professor X is forced to walk up the stairs even though he’s paraplegic was really weird to experience in the theatres.
When I was there, there was a big gasp at what we were expecting but we all tried but failed to stop laughing out loud. 😂🤣
He's not paraplegic dude, but I totally know what you're saying.
@@steverogers3919
What? Do you know what “paraplegic” means?
@@kratosGOW yeah it means you can't move anything below your neck which is not Professor X. He's only paralyzed in his legs
@@kratosGOW sorry, I was thinking of quadriplegic. My fault
@@steverogers3919
No. That’s quadriplegic. I said paraplegic, which means being paralyzed from the waist down.
That Jake Gyllenhaal reference 🤣🤣 , for all who don't know Jake starred in a movie called Nightcrawler (great movie btw) that had nothing to do with the X-Men
It's an amazing movie! Watched it again a couple weeks ago.
Thank you that totally went over my head because I didn't know that
@@steverogers3919 You gotta watch it!
I know about this movie only because EVERY SINGLE TIME I saw something about it I got momentarily excited that Nightcrawler had his own film!!
Still bitter.
@@chrisleneil Nightcrawler totally deserves his own film
Finally! I knew you hadn’t done Dark Phoenix yet.
Lol he had to write Quicksilver out "very quickly"
I see what you did there
The SJU's Commentary of this Honest Trailer was absolutely hilarious. I still refer to it just for laughs. 🤣🤣
I need to check it out!!
@@OnMyMindEntertainment
"Honest Trailers Commentary | X-Men: Dark Phoenix"
ua-cam.com/video/RbDVKsJd5UI/v-deo.html
It's a long one, so it might be too much for a reaction, maybe just something for your own personal enjoyment. In it, the team dissects the movie's faults, answers fan questions, and adds their own extemporaneous humor. 😆
SJU does these Commentaries for many of their HTs. This one's pre-COVID, when life was normal. #AhTheGoodOleDays 😩
Enjoy! 👌🏽
@@Ladykyra101 The fact that Marvel is about to make a Deadpool/X-Men movie starring the original X-Men cast...disproves Screen Junkies' claim about this being the last movie from the X-Men universe. That alone invalidates a lot of the criticisms they had against Dark Phoenix.
What makes me mad is that the Director is a big fan of X-men as the aliens are a real species in the comic as they are the aliens that died when Dark Phoenix destroyed their sun in the comics. The bit of the changing the ending seems to be real as I think that the director wanted the Hellfire Club to be the villains of the movie as they were in the comic, and it would have come full circle with them being villains in First Class and being the villains again in the last movie (No I don't count New Mutants as the last movie of X-men movie). Seems like the studio said no and he needed to change the story, which it seems to show with how messy the story was.
It's amazing how they kinda almost got everything right but inadvertently screwed up everything
There is concept art and storyboards of the Hellfire Club for this movie.
@@agentofchaos7456 sounds cool
Hey! Producer guy said “It’s the nineties”.
It’s all connected!
- Wow wow wow!.. wow
Ryan George X-Men shared Universe confirmed!
It takes a special special kind of talent to screw up the most famous story in the X-Men franchise twice!
😆😂😆
What do you mean? This was made to be a Phoenix origin movie, not an adaptation of the whole Dark Phoenix Saga. It was meant to be the start of duology/trilogy. There is a whole section of this on its Wikipedia page with sources cite.
@@agentofchaos7456 there's still no way any of the other trilogy movies will ever come out since this flopped so hard. They "screwed it up" again. That's what the comment was saying.
@@gregmurdoch3809 Yeah, the commenters thinks that movie was adapting the whole saga in a single film like many others did. It was a narrative that was invented online and people ran with it.
@@gregmurdoch3809 No offense, but you're comment didn't age well. Because Marvel Studios is about to make another X-Men movie starring the original X-Men cast.
They were on SUCH a good roll! Days of Futures Past kinda sorted the timeline stuff out and they were on course to just move forward with the 'New Era' and they just couldn't help themselves!
They really couldn't. LOL!!!
I love when Ryan does the (not sure, maybe), it's funny each time he does it 🤣
I heard that there might be a professor x cameo in the multiverse of madness, at least that is what was being discussed on some theory channels and I think that would be pretty cool, to have mutants be introduced via another universe through the multiverse
I've heard the same rumblings.
It's a supporting role rather than a cameo.
"It's the 90's" - time travelling reporter crossover
Haha! [00:06:47]
LOL!!!!
CONGRATS ON 6K🎉
Thanks Joseph!!
I love how pitch meeting guy and producer guy always have this s$&it-eating grin on their heads! And his mannerism is just great!🤣🤣🙃
I tell myself they do the decade jumping thing as a way to give it more of that comic feel. In the comics, times change on par with the real world, but the characters barely age at all.
I mean, the original X-Men have been around for 60-ish real years, but have only aged about 10 years at most.
Also, I keep meaning to say, your intro music consistently gets that 80s song "I'm only human" going in my head every time I watch your videos! 😝😂
I know it's not the song, but there a very similar vibe to it, lol.
The woman who can control the weather - letting it rain at a funeral.
I'm not sure why I didn't pick up on that.
Right!! I definitely didn't think about it while watching! LOL!
"Charlie and the child soldier factory" 😳😬 he ain't entirely wrong 🤣
Hilarious! Loved both!
Here we go!
I did watch Age of Apocalypse twice, this one, this one I don't feel the need to ever watch a second time.
😂🤣😂🤣
I'm actually surprised I've only seen Apocalypse once. May watch it again with my kids.
Did the writers themselves forget Jean was alive and well in the new ending timeline of DOFP? And that Xavier was still in charge of the school??
She didn’t die. She transformed into the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix and flew to eat stars.
What makes you think Jean died? Literally nothing suggested that. In fact, she is explicitly stated and shown to be alive at the end of Dark Phoenix's cliffhanger ending.
I hate how Quicksilver and Storm were continually sidelined in this.
As bad as Dark Phoenix was the best parts about the movie for me was Magento Michael Fassbender killed it and Professor X James Macovoy killed it I really do hope they come back to MCU as the characters when Magento said "there's always a speech but nobody cares anymore" I loved that line Cyclops's f bomb and the train scene that's about it
I would be perfectly fine if they came back and played their parts in the MCU, but only the 2 of them, lol!
The fact that Marvel Studios is about to make a X-Men movie that stars the original X-Men cast...invalidates many of the criticisms against Dark Phoenix. For example: The Honest Trailers claims that it is the last movie from the X-Men universe and that is objectively incorrect. Seems that reviewers didn't know what they were talking about.
Yes dude!
This will make up for the dark knight honest trailer
It really did!! LOL!
3 videos in 1 day
I don't like that Mystique doesn't have a healing factor anymore. The comics say that she has the same healing factor as Logan.
I remember that! Not sure why they took that out on the movies.
Taserface. hahahahhahahahaha
😂😆
Ooooh. X-week for pitch meetings lol
Also, did you do a double upload today because of the bad Honest Trailer voice from Dark Knight?
I've never seen a content creator say 'skip this part' in a video lol
LOL! Nah, I had already planned on doing both. Glad I did though. That Dark Knight honest trailer was really bad.
You should watch the honest trailer commentary for dark Phoenix....one of the funniest ones.
I’ve watched that it seems like they’ve watched the cartoon version and never actually read the comics.
@@agentofchaos7456 when they mention Chris Claremont, Harry's hideaway and softball games - how can u say that? That is all from the comics
@@FireBirdSpinners They thought the movie was based on the Shi’ar arc of the Dark Phoenix Saga, when it was clearly based the Hellfire Club arc of the saga. All it did was replaced the Hellfire Club with aliens as the people to manipulate Jean against the X-Men. In fact, the Hellfire Club were going to be the villains as shown in concept art.
They also claim the cosmic energy was controlling Jean, which from the animated series. The original story was about Jean being consumed by her dark side and that was what the movie was advertised to be about.
@@agentofchaos7456 they dropped the ball on the hellfire club arc as well 😅
@@FireBirdSpinners All it did was changed who the villains were. That is the only major difference between the film and the Hellfire Club arc. It seemed like Screen Junkies was just pandering to their audience. They didn’t rewatch Apocalypse because one of them ask if Scott and Jean were couple in movie and the other answered “yes”, when they in fact weren’t (they had just met each other in that film). It’s clear that they were arguing blindly.
The best X-Men related movie is Logan, by a mile. Even my 70-year old Mom loved it. I think Marvel is gonna throw like $10 million at Hugh Jackman to turn up in an end credits scene to launch the X-Men into the MCU and then he'll just disappear. I really don't see how they can re-cast Wolverine at this point -- it's Jackman or no one. Inasmuch as I thought the kid who played young Han Solo did a decent job (it should have been Chris Pratt), I don't think audiences are going to accept a new Wolverine.
Oh yeah, that's not even debatable 😁
I like first class more. I think when I'm older I'll think logans the best but as a 13 year old it's not my kind of movie
@@littledude6669 first class is one of the better ones for sure
@@steverogers3919 it just beats out dofp for me
@@littledude6669 I've always liked dofp better but now I'm going to have to re-watch them both to make sure LOL
It's the 90s,you should watch the 90s videos of Ryan george
I think he reacted to those already. Check out his Ryan George’s compilations reaction :)
Yeah, I've watched most of those
Why did what I wrote down disappear?
Not sure! Try to post the comment again.
What was so extremely disappointing was how the 2 movies handled the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix saga. Those 2 story arcs probably my favorites mini stories in the animation show and comics.
This was a Jean/Phoenix origin story and it was meant to be the first chapter of a Dark Phoenix Saga trilogy. No offense, but how are you not aware of this? This was stated years before the movie came out.
Also, there was no "Phoenix Saga" in the comics. That was something the 90s cartoon invented.
@@rogersmith3620 I think you need to do a little more research, in Uncanny X-Men #129-138 it told the story of the phoenix saga. Furthermore, if it was meant to be an origin story, it don't see how, when in xmen apocalypse, it showed that it appeared the power was simply hers all along. I dont see what in dark phoenix appears to be trying to tell an origin story.
@@fsociety7494 Uncanny X-Men #129-138 is called the "Dark Phoenix Saga", not the "Phoenix Saga". In the comics, Jean was manifesting phoenix-like energy YEARS before she actually become Phoenix (same thing with Hope Summers). This was shown in Classic X-Men #42. So the phoenix-like energy in X-Men: Apocalypse wasn't actually Phoenix, that was psychic energy from her mutation.
Ahhh, X-Men, the franchise with 4 1/2 GOOD movies, LOL! Good luck Disney! PLEASE keep Fassbender as Magneto tho!!!! And Ryan Reynolds!!!!
4 and 1/2, LOL!!!
Neve saw this one
You're not missing anything, lol!
This movie was not good or bad, it was boring, which is the worst thing a movie can be, in my opinion. I thought the only thing it really had going for it was the action. Kinberg found a way to make the mutants feel like teammates who used their powers in conjunction with each other, rather than a bunch of individuals who happen to be on the same side. And that... was it. That's the only really good thing I can say about it.
What did you think about the psychological aspects and how Jean's trauma was depicted.
@@agentofchaos7456 In theory, I like the concept on paper. But Kinberg botched the execution of that idea TWICE; first in Last Stand, then in Dark Phoenix. Jean's trauma being a way for the Phoenix Force to get a foothold in her mind and exploit her vulnerable state? Good idea. But for the life of me, I can barely remember a thing about it in this movie. And that also comes down to Kinberg as a director.
He lacked the skills necessary to get the best performance possible, and while I think Sophie Turner is a capable actress, she needed a better director to get the best out of her strengths and mask her flaws. This is something that James Gunn excels at. The script and direction did not do her any favors.
I also like the idea of Charles being a flawed individual who grossly miscalculated how to handle Jean's trauma. But this idea is also something Kinberg failed to execute twice. Xavier being a flawed person is a nice touch, but it's something the First Class generation of movies had already dealt with, and in my opinion, resolved.
I think the basic premise of this movie could have worked with someone else directing, and if the script had gotten some more time. Seriously, the big dialogue showdown comes to: "Your emotions make you weak."
"No, my emotions make me strong."
That's not dialogue. That's placeholder dialogue that got left in until it was too late to do anything about. I know Kinberg can write better than that, but I think the pressures of directing his first film - and that film being a massive blockbuster - got to him. Someone else should have directed this with Kinberg serving as the story supervisor and Executive Producer, so he could still have an active roll in the development, but not been in the director's chair. I think under those circumstances, the concept of Jean's trauma would have played out much better, and made for a better movie overall.
@@TheBoondocksaint117 The issue with X3 wasn’t the script, it was the direction and rushed production. Kinberg was only one of three co-writers on that film alongside Zak Penn and Matthew Vaughn. Matthew Vaughn was director of X-Men: First Class and he was going to be director of X3 after Bryan Singer left, but dropped out because didn't give him enough to make the movie he wanted to make. Then Brett Ratner was hired as director and shot it quickly with major things left out in the script or flat out changed.
That said, Jean wasn’t really traumatized in X3. It was stated that Xavier suppressing Jean’s powers lead to her developing a split personality and she automatically had became evil. It was basically another poor depiction of dissociative identity disorder and that wasn’t in the script. Dark Phoenix is closer to what was written in X3’s script.
I don’t blame you for not remembering much about the film. That’s the result of rushed storytelling due to the short runtime. Lindsay Ellis has a video on the Transformers films being forgettable due to rushed storytelling (“Why is it So Hard to Remember What Happens in Transformers?”). The movie had to be re-edited to be a standalone film after the studio was bought by Disney, under the assumption that Marvel would discontinue the series. An assumption that proved to be false it seems.
As for the line about emotions: that was a callback to Days of Future Past. Where the older Xavier tells the younger that his pain will make him stronger if he has hope. Xavier also gives a hope speech in this movie.
The score from this movie was so good it felt kinda wasted. Like you get Hans Zimmer and this is the movie you get him for??
He forgot to point out that the comic book story is much better
Have you read it yourself?
@@rogersmith3620 of course
@@steverogers3919 Then you should know that the movie is an adaptation of Jean/Phoenix's origin story. Not the Dark Phoenix Saga.
@@rogersmith3620 yes I do. But since both stories span 20 issues or so... I don't see them ever successfully doing a phoenix story in one movie. I would be happy to be wrong though
@@rogersmith3620 that's funny. The name of the movie is Dark Phoenix
"its the 90s" the future is dumb reference???
There is a reason why even Iman Vellani avoids this film and it got Razzie and its not even the lowest score Marvel film getting higher than Morbius , Howard the Duck and Fant4stic-On the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, 9% of 263 critics' reviews are positive, with an average rating of 3.6/10. The website's consensus reads: "Dull and downbeat, this Fantastic Four proves a woefully misguided attempt to translate a classic comic series without the humor, joy, or colorful thrills that made it great."[1] As of 2023, it the lowest-rated film on Rotten Tomatoes out of all theatrical films based on Marvel Comics properties.
I didnt watch the movie because I didnt care about jean at all. The only reason I even played attention to her before was because wolverine liked her but now that hes dead I just dont really care about anyone except Charles, magneto, and quicksilver
I only went to see this movie for the quicksilver sequence and they couldn't even deliver on that...oh wow he unbuckles some seat belts really fast 😐
LOL!!!
Not great. Not even as good as X-MEN: THE LAST STAND, in my opinion, But this is a decent film. I especially like the opening space rescue and the climax on the train. Seeing the mutants work together with their unique abilities. I want more of that come the MCU.
This is definitely a better psychodrama than The Last Stand.
The honest trailer claims that it's the last movie in the X-Men universe. Yet Marvel Studios is making a Deadpool/Wolverine crossover movie starring the original X-Men cast. It's safe to say that honest trailer isn't really honest.
Honest Trailer had no idea at the time that there was going to be a Deadpool/Wolverine crossover movie with the original X-Men when this Honest Trailer was made.
@@dsfddsgh No idea? Back in early 2018, Sebastian Stan (the actor who plays Bucky Barnes in the MCU) revealed that it was possible for Hugh Jackman to return as Wolverine. Disney also confirmed that the Deadpool series was going to continue.
Both of these were pretty big news at the time and was over year before Dark Phoenix was released in theaters. So it just seems like they were being intelligently dishonest.
I watched Batman and Robin because I thought “how bad could it really be” and I’m trying to not get suckered in by that attitude again but I liked the trailer of this one
LOL!!!!! This isn't Batman and Robin bad in the campy sense, but it's not something I would suggest anyone needs to see either.
@@OnMyMindEntertainment I’ve heard even the last stand is a better portrayal of the dark phoenix
@@matthew7306 The Last Stand did NOT have a better portrayal of mental illness. The Dark Phoenix in the Last Stand is an ableist caricature. The people saying it is a better portrayal clearly never studied mental illness.
Last stand was better than this.
I agree! It's more fun!
In terms of storytelling, characterization, and mental health portrayal? Not really.
I hated this movie so much. It blows my mind that they were able to make a movie this bad with this set of characters
It isn't bad. The teaser trailer promoted it to be a somber story about Jean's trauma and had delivered on that premise at least.
@@agentofchaos7456 imo it absolutely is
@@littledude6669 Do you think it bad as a psychodrama or are you just saying you do not personally like it?
@@agentofchaos7456 I think its a bad movie
@@littledude6669 I’m just asking why is all. Do you think failed at delivering what its premise is promising its audience?
They never got this epic story right. It was a hot mess.
X-Men (the 90s animated series) did a good version.
Live action… not yet, no.
Yes, that's the best version outside of the comics.
It wasn't a single story. It was a series. Hence why it was called the Dark Phoenix "Saga". I mean no offense, but have you've ever read the Dark Phoenix Saga yourself? Or have you just simply heard about it?
How did she absorb the power after the last movie? There things are sometimes unclear. How did nikki minaj get considered a musical artist instead of an annoying homeless girl? Honestly, she should be used in horror movies when they want to save on makeup.
What do you by “the power”?
My only question is (and, don't get me wrong this movie is a piece of shit but) how you gon' complain the characters never age as if they're not based on a medium famous for characters never aging?
You have a point!! LOL!!!