America's RARE Forgotten Canyon Carver - The 1975-1976 Chevrolet Cosworth Vega
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In this Rare Cars documentary, we go in depth into the misunderstood and largely forgotten Chevrolet Cosworth Vega. This compact canyon carver was build in a very unique partnership between GM and Cosworth to create a compact sports car for Chevrolet to use to compete with the smaller more nimble European cars.
But did it succeed? Watch the video to the end to find out for your self!
*Note, we are not historians. If you see an error in our research then please mention it in the comments!
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EDIT: The Vega's 4 cylinder is NOT based on the QUAD 4 pictured from the Oldsmobile...It is based on the GM 4 cylinder that is also referred to as the "Durabuilt-4", the Quad 4 name came after. I must have gotten the two confused when I spoke on the video so please take the "quad four" and replace that with the 'Durabuilt-4" and all the other facts are the same. Apologies for the misspeak!
I've been mechanic for 30 years and you Still show me cars I haven't heard of. I also know that if you want to correct somebody on their own channel it should be done appropriately without public s*** talking so hopefully that was accomplished.
Glad you corrected this, as I was headed to the comments to post this. The Olds Quad 4 was a newer design from the mid '80s with an iron block and aluminum heads, that from the ground up was intended for dual overhead cams and 4 valves per cylinder. There were a few that were made with a single cam and 4 valves that were called "Quad OHC," and shoved into el cheapo econoboxes, but the vast majority were decently powered modern DOHC.
The Vega engine on the other hand was a SOHC, all aluminum block casting with no cylinder sleeves and cast iron heads. They were notorious for overheating and oil consumption issues, and for eventually blowing head gaskets. This was because of several factors. GM skimped on production costs by not having steel cylinder liner sleeves, which created an issue where the pistons expanded more and faster than the cylinder bores under load. This lead to premature wear and oil burning. The same goes for the iron heads and aluminum case. The heads would expand faster, which put tremendous stress on the gaskets causing high failure rates. Once they over heated they were nearly impossible to repair as warpage was common. Additionally, the way the case was cast made it nearly impossible to bore the cylinders and deck the mating surfaces with the head, so no machine shops would touch them, making rebuilding nearly impossible.
My Dad bought a used low mileage Vega, cheap, sometime around 1980, and it ran flawlessly for several years until it overheated for the first time in scorching hot Miami stop and go traffic. Then it never ran right again. He must have taken it to a dozen mechanics, but either they wouldn't work on it, or their repairs were half-assed. It wasn't long after that first time it over heated when it started burning oil like a pig, and he couldn't drive it further than 20 miles or it was sure to overheat. After a year or so of dealing with those problems he tried trading it in, but dealers wouldn't give him anything for it, even though the exterior and interior were in near showroom perfect condition. He eventually sold it to a family member that had just arrived from Cuba for a couple of hundred bucks.
@@mikecone4049 Yeah but...I wanted to sh*t talk☹
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But after the discontinuation of the Vega Cosworth Twin-Cam model the entire engine's basic design was later built in-house by Oldsmobile as the Quad 4 but larger (2.2 liters and up,) superior horsepower (as high as 200,) but no compatibility or interchangeable parts with the Cosworth-tuned Vega engine.
Glad you covered this. The dohc head was Cosworth's design. The quad 4 was wholly engineered in house at GM (their first) and debuted in1987 or 88.
The Quad4 was designed and developed by Oldsmobile not Cosworth. GM Cosworth engine was designed before the quad4.
WAY before!
I was going to say the quad4 came out in the late 80’s early 90’s. They put it in the aero tech pace car for Indy. I think it was called aero tech. My dad worked for an olds caddy dealer and that aero tech was bad ass looking.
Oldsmobile copied the design concept for the Quad 4.
@@angelperez7891 - Olds had W43 DOHC 4 valves per cylinder 455" V8 way back in 1968... they knew how to do such things... just the thought of it caused NASCAR to ban it...
Ford owned Cosworth at that time
I think the 70-73 baby Camaro Vega hatchbacks were the nicest looking Vega’s. I had one that I stuffed a Chevy 350 V8 into with a Holley 600 with vacuum secondaries and a Weiand dual plane manifold. Not a very complex power plant but it was very fast and completely dependable. The downside is that it got very rusty in the lower door skins, lower fenders and the area around the hood.
Did you know that GM special trains built so that they could stack Vegas vertically while being transported instead of horizontally like most cars? They could get more Vegas onto a single special transport train car to reduce the costs of selling the vehicles.
This is an awesome piece of input!
I don't remember which channel posted it but, there's an older UA-cam video about the Lordstown, Ohio GM plant that actually shows those train cars in use.
@@MikeBrown-ii3pt I had an aunt that worked at Lordstown for many decades.
@@mutantryeff That's cool. I'm in Northwest Ohio and there are still many automotive industry related jobs around the area, not the least of which is Jeep in Toledo and their various suppliers. I've never worked any of those jobs but I have many friends that have and still do.
Those rail cars were called Vert-A-Pak. The Vegas were loaded into them nose down.
My dad worked at Lordstown for over 40 years.
I had a '75 Cosworth Vega. The air injection system (the tubes you see running over the valve cover) connected directly to each header primary tube. It would suck raw gas into the tubes and pump it into the exhaust system on deceleration and blow 5 foot flames out the exhaust - at will. I yanked the fuel injection system (sold it to a collector in San Luis Obispo) and bolted on a Hutton manifold replete with Weber carburetors. The car would snap oversteer when pushed to the limit. The brakes were shit as was the shift linkage. The mid-seventies to mid-eighties were terrible for car enthusiast choices.
Yep, I put the HME dual Weber setup on my '75.
an honest evaluation. No matter the cylinder head, these cars were JUNK. The head became a beast in USAC Midget racing for a few years.
I was fortunate enough to drive one back around 1977 and it felt stronger than 110 hp. Of course back then everything was so slow that any car capable of putting you back in the seat seemed fast. Fast forward a few more years and I had the opportunity to drive a 1979 Plymouth Fire Arrow 2.6 and it was definitely quick for its day.
I had a 4 speed
In a Monza and it would smoke the rear tire off. Same engine as the Vega
Then I had to Vegas one with a powerglide and one with a turbo hydramatic 3-speed yes they had more power than what it was rated for
I had a 74 Vega GT. Put a Cosworth sleeved block in it. The head was already sold. Me and my father squeezed 190 horse out of it. Quad Webbers, ported head with shortened 327 valves. Popup pistons and cam grind. Miss that car.😢
WOW thanks for sharing that, 190hp in that car in the 4 cylinder had to be a real fun time!
The head was what made the Cossie engines special.
Takes me back to the days of my youth. A guy that had a gameroom in my hometown (in Texas) had one of these. Black w/ gold trim and old-school flames on the front. This was '76. It just as easily could have been parked outside The Emporium gameroom in the movie "Dazed & Confused" (which was set in '76, in Texas). It's a neat car & was an even neater time to be growing up in America.
I came across one while driving on the Oregon coast (twisty road) back in the early '80s. That Cosworth Vega could get with it! I was impressed.
One of my buddies in the USAF in the early 1980s had a 1975 Cosworth Vega.
I knew back then that it was something rare and unique and so very cool!
Probably the only cosworth on base!
@@rarecars3336 Probably the only Cosworth in
New Mexico! LOL
My father-in-law had one in 1975 and we used it in 1979 to go to Canada for a honeymoon I couldn’t keep tires on it I believe it was a 500 fire stones I think I bought six tires for that car for two weeks up in Canada but we had fun with that we brought it back and he had the motor redone two years later and sold the car by then I was driving A 1970 Torino twister 351 boss top loader 325 gears never mind the Vega
I think the real problem was Vega motors in general had serious durability problems and I remember starting to hear about them as early as 1974 long before home computers, the Internet and social media. The good thing was it made used Vegas in need of an engine very cheap and gave birth to the “ V-8 Vega “ aftermarket phenomenon.
Those aluminum block Vega 4s couldn't withstand the slightest overheating... plus a timing belt for the OHC meant it wouldn't be long before the engine failed from a broken timing belt... and aluminum block vs iron head had high risk of head gasket failures from different heat expansion ratios...
The Pontiac Iron Duke 4 eliminated all those problems...
I had 2. The block was made of an alloy that the iron rings scored, and you got massive oil burning. They should have warrantied it but didn't. Don't know why I ever bought the second one after owning the first, but I swapped an old's v6 into it and it was great.
@@janofb
Your not kidding. I owned many and worked on many more. The cylinders looked like termites eat them.
A cloud smoke coming out the back of a Vega was very common to see in the mid to late '70's.
If I remember right one of the problems also was that they ran an extra hot 190 or $195° thermostat in them to help meet emissions which helped lead to engines wearing out early, my friend Ted's Vega wagon burned so much oil that we drove around with a 5 gallon container full of used oil, one day while driving down I-5 the engine gave up the ghost suddenly and exhausted all five quarts of oil through the exhaust in about a second flat it made such a fog Bank on the freeway that we couldn't see cars until they popped out of the smoke cloud.
A friend of mine had the Vega Wagon back at the end of the 70's and that thing burned more oil than gas. It was like a concert with heavy dry ice smoke shooting out the back. Ah the good ole dayz.
A friend of mines Uncle had one. It sat and literally rusted to the ground. He did have a 73 Trans Am SD 455 that was in perfect condition so i guess that made up for letting the Vega rot.
I fondly remember, everyone with a Vega or Monza in high school strapped a 327 or 350 into it... fun times.
I bought one new in 75, good and fun car. Thanks for the memories.
Glad you enjoyed! These are super cool - I feel like they don't get enough credit!
@@rarecars3336 I agree. The Corvette in 1975, base motor only had 165 hp and the only optional engine had 205 hp and the car didn't handle very well. The Cosworth, on the other hand, handled great. Granted it didn't have much low end power until you have the rpms up, then it went pretty good. In 1983,i bought a Shelby Charger, which was the best handling front wheel drive car in the same class size as the Cosworth and it was rated at 107 hp. I would have liked to see both cars on a road course, to see which one would win in the handling dept. Fun Times.
Great video. I increase my car knowledge with every one that you make. Keep up the outstanding work and we will keep watching.
I'm from Wales UK and i discovered the cosworth Vega a couple of years ago and I have been really intrigued by them, they look great and the engine is interesting too, to be honest I'd like to own one as I like niche car's like this. Thanks for your videos, I'm really enjoying them.
The twin cam Vega was damn good looking cars.
I agree with you I think these are handsome looking cars!
I loved my '72 Vega fastback and it had a very rare vinyl roof on it. Wish I had never let it go. My engine lasted through 100k miles before needing rebuild and it ran even better afterwards.
Those early Vegas were really good looking!
The Cosworth has a distinctive sound
GM had a hot rodded Vega at the Mesa proving grounds for high speed tire test. The engine was based on the base Vega SOHC engine. I was surprised that they didn't use this engine. It was built on a pre 74 Vega so this engine probably wasn't available when they built this car.
When my 60,000 mile warranty finally ran out, I installed a Blackjack header, put on a 2-1/2 in exhaust to a turbocharged Corvair muffler with 2-1/2 outlet. Through a friend of a friend, I acquired some of the peanut jets for the little two-barrel Holley to rejet to match the header. These jets were unavailable at the time due to emissions laws. With that, I could run mid 17s on the quarter mile. A friend did purchase a 1975 Cosworth new. My GT could beat his every time in a stoplight race or down a section we measured to be a quarter mile. He paid about $6300 out the door with options where I paid about $4100 out the door with options. At the time he bought his, a left over new blue 1974 Corvette coupe was on the dealer floor for $6500.
This is why Cosworth failed. The price of a Corvette but a warmed over Vega GT could beat it.
Had a 75 Gt. Loved that little car. always wanted a Cosworth, even now.
My father sold cars in Pontiac Michigan, a Chevy dealer that is no longer there. They had a new one of these on the showroom floor... I fell in love with what was under the hood, it was simply incredibly cool back then. The car was a metallic green with gold pin striping if I remember correctly, maybe it was black. My buddy had a Vega, we went everywhere in that car, manual transmission. Out on the trails, the woods, it went everywhere. My neighbor bought one, and stuffed a 350 chevy 4 bolt under the hood with a manual transmission. And yes, they rusted. Fun times.
Loved the lines of this car back in the day . Thanks
Great looking car!
I used to see one in my local area now and then, in the early 2000s.
Great timing! I was just thinking about this car a few days ago. Thanks for this! 👍
My father had one. These were the original "4 cyl that pissed everyone off" car.
These cars are sweet, I wish more people liked them! I think they are rad!
I'm a new and very happy subscriber. This channel is fantastic!
I had a '75 Cosworth Vega, sold it because it was a dog around town until the revs were high. By that point you were breaking the law with the 55 MPH speed limit. The headers were a work of art, but I was turned off by the harmonic weight added to the rear of the transmission. Happily an enthusiastic father and son bought the car.
I was..... am, a Vega lover. I only love the 1971-1973 body style, though. They were kinda fashioned like the Camaro of the same years.
I actually had a 72 GT hatchback, and a 72 GT wagon. The hatchback was the dark orange with a black stripe, and the wagon was metallic silver with the black stripe. The hatchback, I rebuilt the engine, steel sleeves were pressed in for better piston ring sealment. The pistons were changed out to be 10 to 1 compression. The block and head were milled to also bump up the compression. It ended up to be
10½ to 1 comp. I installed a nice little bumpy camshaft too.
A larger capacity radiator, changed the intake to a 4 barrel and installed a 550 Holley carb. A good style header for the exhaust, a new dual exhaust system, a stock 4 speed manual transmission, a posi unit in the rear axle, a set of Lakewood slapper traction bars, and some wider tires on all 4 corners made it a pretty quick little car. I drove it everywhere, here in Arizona. The cornering was great, the horsepower gain was awesome, and it was a perfect sleeper.
Now the wagon.... I bought this from a friend. He had already installed a 6 point roll cage, subframe connected together, also a narrowed 12 bolt Chevy rear axle with 5:13 gears, hand made 36 inch long traction bars that bolted up to the subframe right under the front seats. They really transferred the weight and the little wagon could hop the front tires off the ground when you got on it. It had a BorgWarner 4 speed and a Hurst Super Shifter. The engine that I put into it was a 65 Corvette 327. I did quite a few changes to it, and turned out to be a ground pounding, loud thumping, wheel pulling, fast little bitty street station wagon, perfect to drive to the grocery store anytime at all, ha ha 😅.
Fun times at
Central Cruise night.
Thanks for sharing your video.
Y'all take care now, ya hear? 👋🙂👍 ✌️😊👌
Thank you for sharing your story that was awesome to read and see how you enjoyed and drive the cr*p out of that car!
I was a high school kid at the time and our school was about 20 minutes from the Tonawanda Engine Plant. We did a tour for Auto Tech class and they had a special temperature and humidity controlled spot in the plant where they put the Cosworth motors together. It made me wonder why whey built all the other motors in the big dusty drafty factory and didn't think twice about it.
Cosworth are true professionals in the engine space
The Torana hatchbacks coupe had very similar lines.
I was thinking the same thing
Wow you are right!
It was so long ago, I almost forgot about my Vega. I owned a 1971 GT 4spd. hatchback, with the L11 engine, which is the factory two barrel option. Traded my 1968 400 Firebird to my brother-in-law, in 1974. As long as I kept all the bolts tight, it was fast and smooth... at Fremont dragstrip.
I had a 1976 Cosworth Vega. Pretty cool car. There was a plaque on the dashboard with the production number. I believe mine was between 2800-2900. It was the black and gold with white seats. I ended up spinning a main bearing and sold it to a guy that fixed it. The problem back then was that aluminum quality was horrible. The solid lifters were the coolest thing about it. Tap, tap, tap, 😝
must've had a mopar sound to it
Eyy a real owner, thanks for sharing your story!
Very well done
Thank you, glad you enjoyed!
I had a 72 Vega GT..stuffed a 350 w/ aluminum heads underhood..4 sp and narrowed rear end came out of a 70 chevelle ss..custom drive shaft and suspension....a REAL HOOT!...wish I still had it!
I am sure that thing FLEW
@@rarecars3336 well...blew of a Hemi Cuda...that was good enough for ME!
So many comments, so I will add one more: I am an original owner of 1976 Cosworth Vega #3517, seems to be the next to last made. I recall spending all of my savings to buy it at ~$5300. The electronic fuel injection was blamed for rough idling, unstable idle speeds, etc. Dealer changed the "computer" twice. I changed to Webers while still in warranty and never looked back. A sure way to get attention is to take it out for short ride - guys want to tell their personal story about Vegas wherever I go. Funny, in the late 1970's, back in the day when the car was my daily, nobody paid any attention. When I autocross the car today, no other car sounds the same on course - loud noise under the hood (Webers) and another unusual noise at the tail pipe. Turning 5,000 to 7,000 RPM while on course. Young guys would argue as to who made the car - Cosworth of England or Chevy. The Chevy bow tie emblems settle the argument. Yes, a strange car indeed.
Drove my 1st car/77 vega hatch up and down east coast 1300 mile stints. Never gave a single problem. Cold ac
Auto with weak performer tho. Bought a cheap 77 vega station wagon.... My 1st swap: buick V6/Monza 5speed
Totally different animal - smooth, torquey. Then built a 4.1L, as per the free GM Ruggles Buick V6 guide
Left V8s in the dust. Sounded like one too. Every rider commented how it effortlessly stuck you in the seat
Even girls!
Light car + nice v6 = FUN
My first car was a 75 Opel 1900 sport wagon built in Germany. It certainly was a good handling little wagon. The best part wss in 1975 they put a Bosch full multi port fuel injection system in the 1900. Definitely a better engine than the rest of the Vega offings plenty of torque and a bit of horse power at the top. A "Vega " that was also fun to drive...it's ultimate demise was Wisconsin Winters . It had 175,000 miles which wasn't to bad for the time since the engine was still running perfectly.... that engine now lives in an Opel GT replacing the 1.1 liter. I have a set of front shocks that never made it into the wagon left yet.
My brother and I owned four of these. My dad brought two home, gave them to us, and then told us we had to pay for them. These first two were 1976 models with 5-speeds. Mine was green and my brother's was beige. The MSRP on mine was $7k. An interesting car and my friends thought I was nuts, they all had Trans AM's etc. and comparatively much faster. These engines had the Si coated cylinders like M-Benz uses, sodium filled exhaust vales, tuned headers, 410 rear ends, dog-leg 5 speeds and electronic fuel injection. Put a Monza exhaust on it; wow! All that and simply anemic hp. Thanks uncle Sam for killing what could have been a great car.
Definitely, these had a ton of potential, with high 100hpish in one of these I imagine it would be very fun
I had a '76 Olds starfire , black , cosworth rims , louvers. 231 Buick v6 and 4-speed manual . I wish I had it back .
I've always liked these, saw a dead mint black one at a show a few years ago and the want was palpable.
I remember they used to advertise it as one Vega for the price two! It cost as much as a Corvette.
Yeah, not good for mass marketing...
One Vega for the price of two?
I can't see that as being an advertising slogan, explain to me exactly how that's supposed to attract buyer's cause I'm just not getting what the allure of spending twice as much for a car is supposed to be.
Just can't see that slogan being approved by management at GM.
I remember that ad!
@@dukecraig2402 - All sellers know there is a certain group of people who wouldn't be caught dead paying the low price that ordinary people pay for stuff...
Great Story!! I had never heard of this Special Vega. Remember guys dropping V8s in them back in the day.
The V8 Vegas were some serious drag strip weapons! Thanks for watching!
I can tell you I have heard so many stories of guys dropping the little 283 into these cars it's staggering. How fast and scary they were. Best I can recall, most of the stories ended with winning by a lot or bad wrecks. Some of the fellas said that they were able to go so fast that it scared them bad enough that they got rid of their cars. Now that is scared.
I bought a new one. It was a 75 and we enjoyed it for awhile. Traded it for an Avanti II. Then kids came.
I saw a Cosworth Vega in the Pick N Pull in Little Rock once. used to go there in ~15 years ago to look for weird cars and that was probably the strangest..
Yeah a hopped up american inline 4 is definitely out of the ordinary
Back in the eighties I built a V8 Vega. I used a 400 horsepower LT1 350. The car was so fast, I drove it one time and sold it the next Day
I had one of these in the early 80's, ended up having the block sleeved and Venolia pistons added, also ditched the fuel injection for webber side drafts. 8000rpm redline.
Have you done a video on the Monza yet? That was kind of a mature Vega, and one version had a little V8 similar story.
One of my cousins bought one several decades ago and kept it. He passed away early this year and I am guessing that his son has it. An interesting car, but still a Vega.
Sorry to hear about his passing. Hopefully that car stays in the family!
My buddy had a white vega with some performance goodies on it...👍
I had a 1970 gt vega and loved it
When I lived in Orlando, a Corvette shop had 2 Cosworth Vega's in their agozillary lot. Off of 17/92 and Howlbranch rd.
I wonder if they ran?
Stopped at a stoplight pulled up next to a Camaro with the biggest home made air scoop I have ever seen. They never looked over at me until the light turned green and I took the Cosworth Vega to redline on each throw. I thought they were going to break their necks gawking as the Cosworth stayed even with them at launch and pulled away !!
My first car was a hand me down1976 2.3 3 speed automatic transmission that would accelerate 0 to 60 in 13 sec. no wonder I never got a speeding ticket in that car. I lived in Fla. and can say the air conditioner worked great and never failed.
Unfortunately, the Cosworth Vega suffered from what was often referred to as " the Arrow Syndrome" -- they went like stink in a straight line, but had serious oiling problems when going around corners. When raced, they had a tendency towards oil starvation on hard corners, an unfortunate condition in a car intended for road racing. It was a great concept and could probably have been resolved with a little bit of development effort, but by the time it was discovered, Chevrolet was already planning to drop the Vega. What could have been...
I was at an auction and came across a Oldsmobile Achieva with a Quad 4 . I had heard about this engine and was going to bid on it but after thinking about it I got scared off , I would not be able to maintain it over the long haul and finding parts would be hard…… when it drove up to the auction block it sounded like a V8. I was tempted to bid but the price went up quick and beyond me. Turns out others knew about this engine as well. I believe this young guy who looked like a farm boy got it. This is the first time Iheard anybody say Quad 4 in a long time.
The engine blocks were a horrible mistake. Every once in a while, you had to fill it up with oil and check the gas. The cylinder walls were aluminum and couldn't endure the ring wear. My little brother had a 1976 Vega and it left visual evidence of it's passing. But, he purchased a factory remanufactured engine at a Chevrolet dealership. These engines had steel sleeves installed in the cylinders. Afterwards, he had a nice car that wasn't an embarrassment to drive.
My cousin had a 76 one with a 327cid in it ... and Ford 9 inch it was scary fast and top out around 160 mph..
That sounds like a RIOT
I put a 305 in a Vega wagon one weekend with my buddy. Drive shaft was a bit wonky but it was drivable.
Did you know that the crash tests between Pinto and Vega were rigged? Vega was rear ended at 35mph, and the Pinto at 55mph. I was young, but I read the fine print during commercials.
I actually did not know that so thank you for sharing!
I had a 73 Vega GT. Local dealer had a 75 Cosworth in showroom but wouldn't let me test drive. (I was still in high school) My bro in law was an engineer for Saginaw Steering Gear and a major backyard gear head. He got to drive/test one a few times. He said the acceleration was great!
That is awesome thanks for sharing that!
The 74-77 Chevrolet Vega is a car for collectors restores and anything between
I loved this video, I always had an interest in these cars because of another odd car I used to have. It would be cool to see a video on the Merkur XR4Ti!
Merkur, now that's a blast from the past that I haven't thought about in quite a long time.
Here I thought my dad's Cortina Lotus was cool. It still is, there weren't many in North America. I saw one other, at Mosport.
I had a 1974 hatchback with a 350 V8 and loved it !
Sweet!
Like the video. most definitely need to change some of the history. thanks for adding my brown COV that was on the dynamometer. that was not me in the car though.
How much power did it make on the dyno?
@@andyharman3022 125 hp
I had a friend that had a Cosworth Vega. Her ex-husband sabotaged her by loosening the wheel nuts. The wheel came off while she was driving down the freeway. She saw it and somehow she managed to drive the car across 3 lanes and bring it to a stop before the car went down on the strut.
What do mean by down on the strut?
for me I've always liked the Chevy Vegas.i had a 72 Chevy Vega .gold on gold.it was an hatch back.my motor had no engine problems.just the dealer would not replace my front fenders.so I traded it off.
A lot of fun to drive 👍🏻🇺🇸
Never was my dad like, "that there was one hellava canyon carver".
I had the opportunity to scoop a 75 example that was clean af 9 years back. I've been regretting not buying it since.
A friend of mine bought a complete rot box of a Cosworth Vega back in the mid 1990s. The only salvageable parts were the engine, transmission and rear axle. He swapped the engine and trans, a 5 speed in this case, into a very nice Vega wagon with a blown engine. He still has it and it's a very fun, nice weather driver.
Darn that would have been a sweet ride!
@rarecars3336 yeah the example I had looked at had been decatted and un-smogged, so it was a little bit faster than factory. The only thing was I didn't like the price the guy was asking "mind you 12k at the time" now I see them going for way more.
Dropping a Cosworth engine into a Vega was like drinking vintage Chateau Mouton Rothschild '55 from a Flintstone's jelly glass. I actually saw a Cosworth Vega in a Chevrolet Showroom in 1975. The Sticker price was higher than the loaded Chevrolet Caprice Classic Convertible standing on the other side of the room. No surprise it didn't sell.
I’ve never forgotten them, I worked at a Chevy dealership in 1976.
I heard these were slow sellers, would you agree with that being someone who has first hand experience with them at the time?
One my favorite cars was my '71 Vega. Completely stock, but drove it places some people wouldn't take their Jeeps. Was finally stolen in Oakland, CA.
I learned to drive stick on my friend's vega. The car was called "The Blue Cloud" because of how it burned oil like a mother.
I always really liked the Vega, and, mini-Camaro describes it well. With todays high h,p, 4 bangers, you don't need a V8 conversion anymore - but it's still very cool. Wish there were more...
Agreed it is SO hard to find a clean vega today
The cutlass supreme was the best selling car in the mid seventies
Sue me, but I think the Vega hatchback is one of the nicest looking American cars of the 70s. It had beautiful lines. Too bad GM had no idea how to properly equip, build, market, or rustproof their products.
We had an Astre (Pontiac version of the Vega) when I was a kid. I always had a soft spot for it. The only Astres/Vegas I ever see anymore are tubbed-out funny cars.
Agree it is very rare these days to see a clean vega that isn't tubbed
Now that's a good one
I thought you would like it!
That wagon looks sick
Those wagons go look cool!
thats a cool looking engine
I saw one of these Cosworth Vegas on the road about 4 years ago on I-96 and it couldn't even go 55mph. I was actually concerned for the drivers safety.
My dad was on a wait list for this car, but production was pushed back to 1975. He regrets not waiting to this day.
I was looking at some abandoned farm property about 25 years ago. On the back of the property was a Cosworth. It had honeysuckle all over it and the hood was open. A sapling was growing through it. It was not just a Vega. I know the difference. You doubt this story? The property is on Peach Orchard Rd. , Clinton, TN. Go get it!
I caught the Mopar Bug and had a Charger just out of high school in 1977. A friend's brother had one of these and there was always a "Gee Whiz" factor, and it sounded cool. I still have a '71 Charger Super Bee clone with a 440. I just refuse to grow up.✌
Hey thats a sweet car you have, never grow up!
A friend use to have a cosworth, but his had 4 1 barrel carburetors ,his was black with gold accents
1 minute later....
Im learning how to dance on a tictalk videomercial.
Yep..cars and dancing are related.
The Vega got a bad rap due to the early ones. I bought a 74 Camaro new and it was so bad with all the emissions crap they put on that small block, it was terrible to drive. I got so disgusted with it I traded it in with 9K miles and got a 75 Vega GT which I drove for about 200K miles! I loved that car. I sold it to a friend who put a rebuilt engine in it and drove it for another couple of years. It was sporty and economical for its day. GM almost got it right. Too bad it had so many early issues. I think I just might look to find a restored one someday.
They are soo hard to find it seems. So many Vegas were either junked or cut up into drag cars. So few nice ones left
I once took a ride in a Cosworth that I was considering buying. But it would have been impractical. They would not probably be a daily driver, and I did not have the luxury of a garage and a second car for playtime. But it did slam me back in my seat riding along!
Yeah I would definitely see this as a more of a weekend car!
My cousin had a vega in the late 70s, fastest car around, but he had swapped in a 327
That was probably a really fun car!
The story i've heard is that the Vega was supposed to have a Rotary Engine but GM being GM couldn't get it ready in time so they put out that junk base Aluminum motor.
I haven't heard this but a Rotary powered Vega would have been sick. This was around the time when everyone thought for a second the rotary was going to take over
I owned a 1 1/2 brown 74 Vega. Had to put a Pontiac Astre motor in it.😆
My neighbor had a black and gold one, with twin weber DCOEs it was a very cool car. For every Cosworth however there was a dozen with a small block transplant or the occasional aluminum block Buick V8. Because so many of the aluminum block, cast iron head 4 cylinder engines had failed with very few miles a nice car with a blown engine could be had for next to nothing, a competent gearhead could have themselves a screaming machine for a fraction the price of a Cosworth.
An aluminum block buick vega would actually have been a sweet ride that makes so much sense. Get that light engine, more torque and just enough power to hurt some other cars on the street!
@@rarecars3336 I had my eyes on a 63 215 Buick Special in the junkyard, it was the 200hp version with 4 barrel carb, 11:1 compression and the coolest looking cast aluminum valve covers with Buick script. Damn guy wanted waaaay more than I was willing to pay for it, I was lacking a poker face and I guess my enthusiasm gave away what he was holding, I have to this day never seen another. At the time early chrome bumper Vegas were a dime a dozen, definitely would have been a very sweet ride
Back in the day the Cosworth Vega was used in Usac Midgets. My dad drove a car with one. They were decently fast in their day.
There is a near mint '76 Yenko tuned Cosworth Vega in the late Bruce Crower's garage. And it is not for sale, sadly.
Just shows how strangled American cars were at the time, Fiat 2.0 twin cam’s made more power as standard with a small twin choke carb in Euroland.
Cool 😎
I have #1880 all original still with less than 15k on the odometer. Grandfather was original owner. Love this car despite it not really holding up to the Cosworth pedigree.
So cool that you have one! Wish I saw these cars talked about more or even out in public more, have yet to see one in person
My Dad's '75 Vega rusted the rear end clean through the frame by 1984, with only 80,000 miles on it.
GM decided to use a block that had aluminum cylinders, not even steel lined cylinders. The Vega always had problems with the cylinders rapidly wearing out and burned oil very famously.