I bought a 1969 Camaro when I was about 16 or 17 years old in 1981 or 1982. It was my second car after my 1974 Dodge Dart Swinger. My '69 Camaro had a 327 in it. It was the 210 horsepower version. My Dad showed me how to rebuild an engine using that 327. It was rebuilt stock originally, but later on we did add some performance to that engine. It was a very fun car to drive! After the car was sold I put that 327 in a 1977 Chevy pick up truck. I put over 100,000 miles on that 327. Once that truck went to the junkyard I eventually sold that engine to another guy that was planning on putting it into another '69 Camaro.
Sounds like some fantastic memories to always have sir. 🤝 When I was 9 years old in 1997 we lived in a travel trailer park with a large dirt circle surrounding it. Our only car was a 1973 dodge dart swinger and my mom would let me drive it around that circle. My first time ever being behind the wheel by myself 😂
@@michaellambert3067 yezzir something I'll never forget lol. Would absolutely love to find/build an 68 69 dart gts with the 440. Unfortunately prices are getting well beyond blue collar folks lol
My older brother owned a '68 SS 350 4 speed Camaro and built his own 302 for it back 1972-73, using the short block and ported fuelie heads he bought from a local round track racer. Headers and he put a large(for a 302) solid cam in it well over 500 lift and initially used 4.88 gears but switched to 4.56s. The round track racers son helped him put it together. There was a not yet complete roadway about 2 miles from our house that guys raced on almost every weekend and in the summer if the house windows were open or if Dad and I were out on the patio listening to the ball game on the radio you could definitely always tell the distinct sound of my brother's Camaro vs anything else running up the road. The thing was scary lethal. Was the first car I ever road in that mashed me hard into the seat when he took off. Would literally take your breath away when he accelerated hard. He ended up selling it and went into the Air Force. Even though it wasn't a Z28 I always fantasized that car would be mine when I got older.
I have owned my 1969 Camaro RS/SS for over 42 years now. Only has the 4 bolt main 350 in it with an automatic. Great cruiser. Never let me down. Nicest part of it is, that it is a numbers matching drivetrain without 1 piece of pollution control from the factory. Well, it has a PCV valve but those are good. Love that 302 solid motor in the 69 Z's.
I have owned a 69 since I was 18, 62 now, bought the car with a 350, sold it back to the guy I bought it from, he blew the motor up, bought it back, put in a 283 I had laying around, built a 350 and ran high 12’s in the quarter. Currently I have a 454 big block in it, did a full restoration and painted it black in my home garage. I just love driving the car and watch people look as I drive by.
I had the opportunity to drive one of these 4" bore 302cid engines at Sebring back in 1999... It was in a 72 camaro though... My buddy built it for vintage racing... Unfortunately, I've lost all my own hotrods(79 Z28, 71 SS camaro, & 81 camaro 8.90 racecar camaro)... I was a junkie...! Addicted to heroin for 22+ years, I'm 72+ months sober now and wanna start getting my hotrod back...! Thanks for sharing...! Keep up your awesomeness...
Oh man I hope you do well today. I lost so much as well because of a workplace accident, it's never too late. I will return to school this year and get back to work. I hope you will be able to do the same. Drugs are awful, especially these. I was able to quit oxycodone. I threw them in my wood stove. It was the worse 10 days of my life but I was free after that. I don't recommend doing that but it was the solution for me. I know what it's like lose everything.
I owned a '70 Mustang Mach I in '74 when I was in H.S. I raced a '69 Z28 that a guy in town owned. We both had headers and traction bars and larger than factory rear tires. My 351 4v Cleveland had an aftermarket aluminum intake and a Holley 850 Double Pumper with mechanical secondaries. Both cars had posi rearends, mine being the Ford 9 inch with 4.10:1 gears and his with Chevy 12 bolt rear end with 4.11:1 gears. My car had the Ford Top Loader 4 speed and the Z28 had the Muncie Rock Crusher. The Z28 came with a similar factory intake and carb, so it was effectively a good match between the Donzie 302 engine and the Cleveland 351 4v, which incidentally were rated at the same 290 BHP.. We raced twice one night and again a few weeks later. I walked him pretty easily ever race.
The DZ 302 was designed for track racing if you weren't aware. Did you Gents race on a road course then or just street light to street light with your bigger engine that had more low end torque?
The Z28 302 the best ant truest hipo engine ( 7 1/2 Grand shifts, easy) GM produced. The Car was simply incredible right off the Showroom Floor. Power to weight ratio. Sidenote, it sounded as incredible as it went! Only thing missing were good Tires. I remember well the very first time I drove one in ‘69. Awesome!
@jamessneed8789 • The small block 302 is a 283 crank in a 327 block The 307 is a 327 crank in a 283 block The 283 has a 3 inch stroke The 327 has a 3 and quarter inch stroke I have a built 327 /600hp that screams to the moon at 11,000rpm before the valves start to float in a 66 Chevelle SS
Some more specs/facts for the first gen Z/28's: In 1967 no Camaro (Z/28,RS, or SS) left the assembly line with spoilers. They were not offered until mid year as accessories from a dealer. They were developed for trans am and then became a regular option in 1968. Also outside of the stripes and 15" wheels nothing else visually marked a Z/28 on the outside. Early 1968 models featured a 302 engine badge. That was changed mid production year to the Z/28 logo. Most 1969 Z/28s did not get a cowl hood (RPO ZL2 - special ducted hood), if fact the hood was not even available until January of 1969 (production starts summer of prior year). The "DZ" moniker refers to the letter code system Chevy employed to designate engine/trans mission combos at the engine assembly line, 67 and 68 engines are code "MO". The cross ram setup was a dealer installed option, parts would come in the trunk if ordered with the car. There was also a long tube header option that was similar. There was also a cowl plenum air cleaner dealer option as well. This air cleaner was 67/68 only, its a special setup that involved cutting a hole in the firewall below the cowl vents and it would draw cool air from the base of the windshield. The cross ram was supposed to be paired with the "140" off road camshaft instead of the stock 30/30. It was not a very streetable setup anywhere. The 302 you show early on was actually a prototype engine where Chevy was toying with a semi-hemi head (think Boss 429) for the Z/28 package, but found it didnt gain anything overall for racing so it was scrapped. Smokey Yunick ended up with the motors and played with them for a bit.
No Crossrams ever came in the trunk and could not be ordered at the time you ordered the car, never an option code for the Crossram, over the counter item only which you could have the dealer install or do it yourself, and yes many Z28s came with cowl hoods as these cars were produced up until Dec of 1969, and as I have over 15000 miles on my Crossram when tuned properly they are very streetable
@@muscleonly1 I know of 1 car that the parts were in the trunk at time of delivery down in Roseburg, Oregon. Was unloaded to the lot with the pieces in it. I know there is no real RPO code for it, but the parts were ordered same time as the car. I know the car did not leave the assembly plant with them. They were added sometime in transit.
@@camaroboy1968ss Then the parts were put there at the dealership, No Crossram packages were avaliable at the factory, never happened, total myth, read Jerry McNeashes book on the subject and that is the facts, parts may have been in the trunk but they wernt put there from the factory
There are actually a lot of errors in this video. The narrator says that the '69 got a different rear spoiler. In fact, it was the same from 1967 to 1969. I also laughed when he implied that Ford had a 302 before Chevy. Chevy had the first 302 in 1967. Ford was using a 289, then went to a 302 tunnel port in 1968.
@@shimshonbendan8730 actually the spoiler is technically different in 69. 69's are wider than a 67/68. Early production 69's kept using the 68 spoiler and can be spotted easily as they leave a little gap on each side and are not flush to the side of the quarter panel. By I believe Dec/Jan of 68/69 Chevy had updated the spoiler and made it wider so it would extended out to be more flush with the quarter panel. Also note that no 67 Camaro left the assembly line with a spoiler, the original decklids dont even have provisional spots on the inner structure to cut the access holes. The spoiler became dealer accessory sometime mid year and then they became a factory option and 68 with the decklid inner structure being updated to make it easier to drill and cut for the spoiler.
Thanks for the memories. I loved my 69, it was a beast with the optional factory race cam. When the crossram was on it, not much jump until about 4000rpm then hang on.
I’ve owned several Z/28’s. While in college I bought a 68 Z28 and a friend of mine is the current owner. In 75 I bought a 71 Z/28, in 77, 78 and 80 I ordered new Z/28’s all being 4 speeds. In 81 I bought a 70 Z/28 4 speed from the original owner and still own it today.
@@rarecars3336Probably the 70 since I still own it then the 68. BUT my 1st new car I ever ordered was the 77 Z28. So that’s kind of special as well. Wish I kept the 77 and 78 but I didn’t have the funds. Too bad UA-cam doesn’t let you know when someone asks a question so they can reply in a decent timeframe. My list of cars I want when I win the lottery. 1969 RS Z/28 1970 Survivor Z/28 1977 Z/28 survivor 1970 L78 Chevelle 1970 440-6 Challenger 1963-67 Corvette Stingray Coupe
Chevelle SS 454 LS6, Cobra 260-289-427, Mustang Mach 1 428 SCJ, GTO Judge Convertible, Corvette 427 tri-power, etc. List goes on and on. I get it though, that's the car you desire the most.
@@justme307just curious? What would be the "best years " 4 the 454 Chevelle? 1969, 1970? And 4 the 427 Corvette? 1967? Good day . How about after market 69 Camaros built by(forgot his name) who dropped 427's into the 69 Camaros & painted them an olive green color....
@@johnj3281 Hey! 1970 for the LS6 (396 was biggest stock engine in 1969). Yenko/COPO Chevelles were available in 1969. Other tuners like Baldwin Motion would drop a 427 in a Chevelle. For the 427 Corvette, IMO, it's a body-style preference whether one likes a C2 or C3. I think top dog is the 1969 aluminum block ZL-1. Now, what's the best Falcon/donk combo?
@@justme307 just saw another video (10 most powerful muscle cars of the 60's) & it mentions YENO & 2 others who dropped 427"s in Camaros plus the COPO's. Thanks for your reply. PS: the 69 427 Corvette was one of my favorites. Do U know anything about the 69 Corvette Roadster?
@@johnj3281 I was a teenager when those were on the road. From what I've read the 68 had new-body issues that were resolved for the 69 model year. If it's a 427 you're after then 69 is the last year. I'm no expert though, I do have a 98 convertible in my collection (including a 442, hawkeye Subie and a late-model Charger R/T). May I suggest you check out bring a trailer.
A friend of mine that worked in a parts store. did something similar. He bought a 67 Camaro from a friend that blew the engine racing it. He had a 327 in his garage & took it to work to get it rebuilt. The machinist asked if he wanted it stock. Or wanted more. He told him to wake it up some. What he ended up with was a 327 with a 283 crank. A wild solid lifter cam & he had an in line dual quad manifold in the garage that he put on it. Driving it around town has not so easy. Because of the cam but once it got the revs up it was a blast.
My first car was a 1969 Z/28 Camaro it was black with white stripes and had a vinyl roof. I purchased the car used in 1978 when i was 18 years old and a senior in high school. Many times I would do 500 foot long burnouts right in front of the school and no one else had anything like it. As mentioned it was not primarily a drag racer but more designed for road racing with it's "revy" 302 ci motor that came into it's own at the higher rpms, The factory tachometer had a redline of 6000 unlike most other american v8s which had a redline of 5000. often i would rev it way past the deadline since it was at these moments you could really feel the power of these motors. The motor's ability to have higher rpm capabilities was not only as mentioned it's over square ratio (4" bore 3" stroke) but also the use if solid lifters instead of hydraulic ones that could induce valve float at higher rpms. The solid lifters gave the motor a cool clackity sound that I loved but had to be manually adjusted to keep tuned. It was a motor that without question had more then 290 hp. out of the factory mine had a holley 780 dual feed with vacuum secondaries carb on top of a high rise aluminum manifold, then the legendary "fuelie" 2.02 heads, a hot solid lifter cam, 11 to 1 combustion ratio and 4 bolt main bearings to to keep the bottom from dropping out. top that off with the cowl induction hood that forced air into the motor for more power. This was followed by a muncie m22 "rock crusher" manual transmission controlled by a hurst shifter and finally a 12 bolt rear with 3.73 gears and posi traction. it was all a young man like myself could ask for and was for many years my pride and joy and i miss it to this day! PS: it also won the trans am championship in in 1969 with Mark Donahue driving the blue Penske #6 car! sorry mustang lovers but Chevy rules! FORD is an acronym for, "Failure On Race Day!"
There were a total of four 302 V8's from American manufacturers, all with a 4.00" bore and 3.00" stroke: Ford Windsor 302, Ford Cleveland 302 (for export only), Chevy 302, and the Pontiac 301. Pontiac called theirs "301" so as not to be confused with the Ford Windsor engine, but Pontiac was accurate in calling it the 4.9L - 302 CID is 4942 cc, which rounds down to 4.9L, not up to 5.0L. At Chevy in addition to the 302 made from mix-and-match parts from the 283 and 327, the 307 is a 283 block with 327 crank.
Camaro all day long… I kept thinking what the heck my uncle was talking about…. High winding 302….. had no clue for years and never really had the urge to search for it, and this explains it all 👍🏾
Highschool Girlfriend, her Mom owned, since 71 a 1968 Camaro RS, similar to the Buddy R's Camaro in CHRISTINE, color and accents etc,, I was aloud to drive it, while being Picked up from Knott's Berry Farm,, Rest in Peace Sharon, i could never thank you enough,, i will always want a 1st Gen , just don't tell my 68 Dart
Back then, a friend owned a 69 Mach 1 that came from California and had everything, a 69 Z28 with 302 and 456 gears AND a 71 Hemi Cuda. All at the same time. Wasn't really that big a deal back then. He also owned a couple big block Chevelles, big block 71 Nova and a 440 Six Pack Cuda, but not all at the same time. I drove all of them and that Z28 was a screamer.
One of our close car show friends found a 68 302 block at a scrapyard about 4 years ago, he had it checked out and the block was fine he got it for 50 bucks, so lucky
Depending on the car its going in and if your used to 350s or big blocks, they can be kind of disappointing at first because the cars really lack the grunt at the low end, but once you get that thing above 4500-5000 rpm its unreal. I have a couple 327's that are pretty much 302's minus the crank and rods and they are the same way, just screamers. I would never trade a 327 or 302 for a big block.
Great video, and it brings back memories. I first saw one in R&T and Hot Rod magazines in 1967. In 68, a guy in my class at college, had a 68. Oh my... that was it... I wanted one. In 70, Chevy had extended the model year of the 69 Z to about halfway through the 1970 model year, as they were so popular and I guess the new design was not yet ready. I picked up a Dusk Blue 69 Z/28 which was used. Apparently, the previous owner had it get out of control and had some RF damage, so after it was very expertly repaired (could not tell anything was wrong), I bought it off a lot. Well, this car was all everyone said it was... and then some. I joined a Z/28 club, and we had the use of Dick Lang Chevrolet (he raced them in TransAm) after hours and on the weekends, to use their lifts. A friend also helped me at his uncle's service station and another friend, whose brother was a diesel truck mechanic, helped me. I learned a LOT about working on cars and we were able to find the right clutch setup, install a Lakewood bell housing, Hooker headers, and I was fortunate to find a new 69 cowl induction air hood and filter, which I had painted to match the car. The 780cfm Holley had an issue, so I bought a new one. Then, I knew someone at a speed shop, and they did an incredible valve job on it. Afterward, the car had well over 410 hp and it could rev up to 7k without an issue. The engine was likely the most powerful per liter/ci engine in the US at the time. The 327 block with its 4" bore and the 283 forged crankshaft with 4-bolt mains became a legendary combo. It had forged 11.0:1 pistons, which were highly unusual in an engine from the factory then. With the 3.73:1 positraction rear end, it could go very fast. The 140mph speedo it had could be seen at around, 6600rpms (if I remember it correctly). I had installed adjustable Konis on it and had some of the first radial tires as well. It handled very well. Loved the rally wheels look. It was fun to build (I installed most everything myself except the extensive top end valve job, which encompassed more than I care to type here), I learned a lot about how to work on cars and even contemplated changing my career direction to a race mechanics school (I wasn't that good, so I dropped it to go the academic route). I sold the car while in school and used the money to help me get through my education. The car is still around, but had been slightly modified to use as 1/4 mile machine, which was not my direction with the car... it looked a lot like the Penske car, so that was my goal. If I had kept it, I would have installed the rear disk brake kit (factory, OTC), better anti-sway bars (OTC), maybe the cross-ram manifold (OTC), and a few other minor items. However, as it stands today, that car is worth a lot more than I would ever want to spend on any car. Great car and I'm glad I got to experience owning one in its prime. One additional point... I did street race it twice... once with a Hemi 'Cuda (after the valve job, but still lost, but it was a friendly attempt at a race, although I passed him as his gearing was not for top speed, afterward we met at a burger drive-in and we both popped our hoods & he was amazed as it looked stock with headers, his was mostly stock as well with headers and a 5.13:1 rear end), and once with a Donohue AMC Javelin (no contest here, and I'll never forget the look on the guys face when he finally caught up at a light in the country (4-lane road), as he was shocked as he thought his TransAm car was the best (Hmmmm...). I was foolish for street racing and even though this was in the early 70's, with many fewer cars on the road than nowadays, it was dumb then and almost suicidal now with the traffic we now have on our roads. So, don't do it... use a track with all the safety requirements most have these days.
This video, the title at least, is laughable at best. The Boss 302 had almost identical specs ("underrated" 290hp/290lb-ft, redline in the 6200rpm range, capable of upwards of 8000rpm). Their actual performances were nearly identical across the board. The Boss had zero fear of the DZ. They're both extremely rare cars and pieces of history that will not be forgotten. Let's tip a hat to both of them 👍
I will probably agree the boss had no fear of the DZ302 . I have a old car and driver magazine that pitted a 69 Z/28 vs a boss mustang.. The ford was trailered in and the z/28 was driven there …. Well in this article the Camaro cleaned that fords clock in the drag race and wasted that boss in the road course.. this was only 1 article and doesn’t mean this would happen everywhere and every time but the CAMARO was and still is the King of the road course between the Z/28 and the boss mustang . Mustang seems to like drag racing but different story when it comes to turning… ! 🏁🇺🇸
@tonyeaton3886 Actually if you look back for 67 and 68 Ford did not have a 302 anywhere near close to the Chevy 302 in the Z/28 in terms of performance. The Ford 302 of the time was based on the Windsor engine platform (260/289/302) that grew to the 351W and was much different than the Boss 302 of 89/70. In truth the Boss 302 was the beginning of the Cleveland engine family for Ford with the larger ports and cantend valves that debuted on the 351C later in 1969. Here's a good video of a dyno comparison of the 2 engines. ua-cam.com/video/VkJqw4Zx8M0/v-deo.htmlsi=rGXEZjNC4AhP5aFj
@@carllmack2287 i did know most of this and have watched and commented on the video a while back .. i had a friend that had a boss 302 mustang that must have had those tunnel port heads cuz it was killer.. it sure seemed pretty rare too because i know several hard core Chevy racers that never ever lost to a ford …ever ! What If your accurate in your story how come Penske’s Camaros won the TransAm Championship in 1969 ? Most of my ford buddies point out that ford came back and won the 1970 trans am crown asking me where was the Camaro then ? Everyone knows Chevrolet denied being involved in in factory racing and Penske claimed they offered no real support so he jumped to AMC … Yup the Cleveland with its canted valve layout was pretty awesome until the rest caught up..I still remember the ford brass laughing at GM when they built the LS series ! And the battle continues …!
I’m a GM guy, but on the street it was a drivers race when these two lined up, and who had the best tune, pretty evenly matched. I had a brand new Yenko Camaro in 1969, and watched these two many times. Both were beautiful fast cars.
My late brother bought a 69 Camaro hood at a swap meet back in the day. Oval cutout. Didn't even own one. Years later he built a 69 big block 9.90 drag/bracket car. He sent pick of underside to Camaro magazine. Guy traded him single carb cowel hood and $ enough to roof his home 4 that cross ram hood. RIP DAVID L KIRSCHNER. He earned a Wally in stock eliminations NHRA. 283 ,4 speed chevelle wagon. 😿❤🙏👍
Well I the 68 z dad said you're to young for the horses of a 396 or even 327-350. You can have a 302 I'm sure it's like 283. So he worked down town, he needed to use the my car while his was in the shop. I'll never forget the talk we had that afternoon 😂 great memories 😊
Had a 69 Z with 4.88's, mickey thompson super scavengers,and a holley double pumper, acell ignition and traction bars..Fast as hell out of the hole only beat once. had 4 of my friends in her pulled up to a lite and here was this little English sports car. GREEN as I remember. Reving his engine.light turned I came out at 4000 rpms and the little shit pulled me by a car length. I had a lot of weight in her but still, what was this thing. I pulled 2nd and it got me some more. What? was going to 3rd and couldn't catch the little shit. Then the cops showed up and chased us never saw that car again. I found out what it was though a SUNBEAM TIGER............TRUE STORY. THE OTHER WAS A HEMI CUDA ON THE EXPRESSWAY. NEVER STOOD A CHANCE FROM 60 MPH ON, HE JUST WALKED ME.....
Someone here commented that Car and Driver magazine ran a head to head test of the Z28 vs. the Boss 302 and the Camaro won. That isn't true. They actually compared a 68 Z28 to a 68 Mustang with a Tunnel Port 302. The respective manufacturers built them a pair of cars using all their best factory parts that customers could buy over the counter. The idea was to build cars resembling Trans Am racers but still be suitable and legal for street use. Both cars had dual quad intakes and 4 wheel disc brakes. Mustang weighed 3282 and the Camaro 3480. Mustang ran 13.96@106.13. Camaro 13.77@107.39. The Mustang handled better and lapped Lime Rock faster. However it also had F60-15 tires which were not supposed to be available to the public yet. Both cars were so good they really didn't pick a winner.
In the mid 70's when I was 19, my brother in law was 21, his 1968 camaro got totaled by a drunk driver right after getting painted. We took the insurance money and went shopping. He bought a 1969 ss camaro , 327 4-speed, was awesome when we got done with it. Just before he bought the 69 we looked at a 1968 Z-28, blue with white stripes. When the owner popped the hood to show us the 302 , we saw a crossram 2-4's we had no idea what we were looking at since the 327 or 396 big block were the hot set-up. We both agreed that carb set-up, especially without chokes would be tough to run and keep tuned for our Wisconsin climate. It had as the owner claimed headers from the factory . We thought it was B.S. , never heard of factory headers. It's one of those moments now that I'm in my 60's ,I now know what we were looking at and wish we could go back and buy that rare machine. Word hadn't gotten around about what a strong performer the 302 was and how rare it was with that setup. I have always wondered what happened to that camaro.
I had a '69 302 in my '78 El Camino. It was rebuilt, .020" over, and had forged 10.7:1 aluminum pistons and later GMPP aluminum heads, but it should've run about as well as a stock one (it would just do it on 93 unleaded). It was my only vehicle at the time, so I put Edelbrock Pro-Flo EFI on it for better cold starts and reliability. For its size, than thing would RUN! No problem at all boiling those 275s on the back at will. I gave 3500 for the engine in 2003.
@@rarecars3336 My cousin knew the guy that rebuilt it around the time I was looking for an engine, I thought it was cooler than anything else I was going to find, so I bought it and we put it in. It had a Tremec TKO 5-speed and a Currie 9" with 3.89s. I traded it for a truck when I go into my apprenticeship and needed a reliable all-weather vehicle, but I should've bought a cheap beater to drive to work and kept it. I'll build another one someday, but sure won't have a 302 in it, haha!
Great Video, You are correct about some folks not knowing that Chevy had a 302cu engine, I grew up in the 60s & 70s and a friend of mine had a 1968-Z-28 Camaro, and It was quick, Thanks for posting. subbed. 👊 😎🇺🇸
I had the '69 Camaro LM1 with the 4-speed. More rare than the Z/28, but much less iconic. A buddy had the Z/28, and I loved how that 302 revved... one of my favorite engines for sure.
The ’69 GTO was delivered to Royal Pontiac where Milt Schornack and Dave Warren converted it to Bobcat specs and added headers and a Schiefer clutch. After some local racing, the GTO was shipped to Florida for testing at Miami Dragway. With open headers and 8.50×14 cheater slicks, it ran a best time of 109.52 mph in 12.62-seconds. With closed pipes and street tires, it ran 108.42 mph in 13.42 seconds. Impressive indeed!
As a teen my next door neighbor bought an SS with a 396. That car was the first car ride I went over 140 mph. We were racing his brothers C3 Corvette which was no slouch. 427 with Tri power carburetion.
I owned one of the first 67 Z-28 which was badged as a "302" with cold air box in the trunk. Immediately put in the factory racing cam and autocrossed the car for a couple of years. Zero to red line in first gear happened in the blink of an eye. I encountered the car a year or so after I sold it; the owner had blown the engine, not hard to do with as fast as that think wound up.
When I was 18 I bought a 1968 Camaro that had a 454 vette engine with parts from his wrecked z/28 m22 3.73 12 rear with heavy duty leaf springs. I had a custom dual exhaust bent right off the headers in 2 1/2 then 2 1/4 after the turbo muffers. Man could that car take off!! Especially after i Got a set of M50- 15 rims n tires
Bought a 69z brand new off the show room floor. Yea, I'm an old dude now but I'll give you the truth on this 302 motor. Remember, it was built for trans am racing, not stop light to stop light. So yes, it was a little doggie on the street UNLESS, it was geared correctly. A set of 4.56 rear end gears and it was a total beast in 1969. Everything was there from the factory except the gearing, in most cases. They could be special ordered with street gears but most were not. I should have kept that car but that's the old woulda coulda 😂shoulda
Not sure if anyone mentioned in the comments, but the single 4 barrel version had a 30-30 solid cam. The dual 4 intake had a much more aggressive cam. Solid 140 off road camshaft that pushed the RPM's over 8000.
The 351 Cleveland was a very well designed engine, much like the boss 302 but Ford didn't make many of them and changed platforms so often that those engines have almost no support left. GM only has 3 small block platforms and every platform from GM still has massive support. Most people have never even seen a boss 302 or 351 Cleveland in person.
@@javman6022 It's kinda hard not to trip over a SBC every time you walk out your door. The planet has a solid layer of 350 blocks laying around waiting to be hot tanked. But you better call Jegs and get some decent heads because they didn't make any at GM lol.
I'd take the Z-28 Camaro over the Boss 302....only because I'm a Chevy guy and I built a clone car in my youth. And being the constant tinkerer I was, it eventually got ported bowtie heads(205/160 valves and roller rockers), a GM 140 off road cam, a Holley strip dominator and an 850cfm mechanical secondary Holley. That engine was a beast! It was eventually replaced with a 70 LT-1 short block and a freshened up top end and landed in a Gen 2 Camaro. The most fun to drive cars I ever experienced! With all that said.....I love all the performance cars of the era! We wouldn't have had our favorites without all the rest of them! And the Boss 302 was not only the best looking Mustang ever built....but would be my first choice of any of them.....
I was in my mid teens when the Z28 vs. Boss 302 rivalry originated. I also subscribed to Car Life magazine which was the most down to earth car mag of the time. If you sent a letter to their "Action Line" department you received a letter back. Car Life distilled the essence of the two cars thusly; the Z28 was a passenger car chassis with a racing engine whereas the Boss was a racing chassis with a passenger car engine.
Lmmfao the 302 Boss engine was definitely not a passenger car engine by design, feel more than free to do your actual homework before you speak and stick your foot right in your own mouth
Boss 302 was no slouch of a engine. It had the Cleveland style heads with canted valves 4 bolt mains and extra webbing in the cradle for added strength. Both cars could be walked all over in a straight line by a big block version of them selfs but both these engines were as race car as any zl1, 426 hemi, or boss 429. And for sure more race car than a super cobra jet or 390 version of the car. The camaro did have the 4 wheel disk brake option and the boss did not, but I'd put these 2 up against any car being built anywhere in the world at there price with confidence it would be the fastest around any track. A e type might be faster but it cost twice as much. For the money they might have been the fastest cars being made in the world at that time.
The Z28 engine was racier due to the high overlap cam which resulted in a meaner idle and higher as delivered RPM. The Boss had a milder cam, smoother idle and felt tamer. It was also limited to around 6000 RPM vs. the Z28 which I don't think had a limiter and revved to 7200. The Boss handled better. That's why Car Life said the Camaro felt like a racing engine in a street car whereas the Boss felt like a street engine in a race car. @@jesse75
If you read what I said, that was the impression reported by Car Life mag. The Boss had a fairly mild cam, smooth idle, and a much less peaky torque curve than the Z28 which was the exact opposite. Hence the driving experience was much more sedate in Car Life's opinion. @@gearhead682010
I have seen other Penske camaro videos but I would like to see you do one as you are a bit more informative than others. Check out some of them though so you can add to them in the best way.
My 1st car was a 69 Camaro, which I wrecked, 2nd was a 69 Camaro, and my 3rd was a 69 Z28 which I wish I still had. I sold the Z28 to a friend in 1986 who still has it to this day.
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I was at Seattle international raceway in 69 I was in 8th grade I asked Steve Rossi what car he like he wanted to Ford mustang I wanted a Z28 Camaro 5 years later when we both turned 19 we had our cars and we both still have them today 50 years later
Wow I learned a lot I didn't know about the 302. I had a 64 Impala back in 76. It has many aftermarket items In the engine. That built it to 410 HP. But that the was max you could get in that day. Now with aftermarket you can build 550 HP 327s all day long. I loved the combination with the power glide trans. A B&M shift kit and you were set. I just really remember the power when you jumped into the power band with that power glide kicking in at 55 mph. You head would snap back because it was all there at 6500-7000 rpm. I didn't know the 302 was a beast of a different color.
Taking the Camaro I drove one many times what time Mustang 302 being a close second but I’ve never driven a Mustang one or Road and one sure it’s a fine car. They look great.
I had a ,67corvette with a small block ,,,,300hp automatic after work I changed it to a427 4,speed An drove it home at 1100 with white knuckles.cant beat a big block
Big Blocks and small blocks and 4-speeds where everywhere. If your friend had one you just wait for him to stack it. Buy the parts and put it together. The 70s was a great time to buy cars that were built in th 60s.
My older brother had a 69 Z with the 302 his senior year in high school 1971-72? Black with the white stripe,whenever I see 1 I always look at the interior. It had the black leather/naugahyde? Seats but with a black and white checkered cloth inlay have never seen that paint scheme with the checkered inlay.
Some people don't know this but, There were people Boring 283 Chevys out too 302 way back as soon as 1960. It was also a fact that the early Small Main journal 302 engine made more power. a1970 Boss 302 is my Favorite car.
The reason GM initially thought the Mustang was just a fad was because they were dressed up Falcons with nothing special going on mechanically. All sizzle, no steak. This was the polar opposite of the youth car they came out with that same year, the GTO, which was reletively average looking but mechanically special.
I would say the 290hp rating is actually accurate. The performance of the car in regard to it’s weight is just what I would expect it to be, which incidentally was pretty much identical to the 290hp rated Ford 302. As to a $5000 price for a 302 block, I attribute that to all the engines that got blown up by guys falling for the bs stories told by other guys about how high they routinely revved their engines. That’s the way it was then, I’d be surprised if it’s any different now.
I bought a hugger orange Z/28 in 1973. It ran good for a bone stocker... mine really woke when I did a few mods...the factory distributor couldn't keep up with the rpm...got firing accurate to 7000 then was able to use bigger cam and headers...the 302 turned into a screaming demon
Do a video on the Penske cars. I have a Chevrolet performance book giving all the changes done to the cars, and the specs submitted to SCCA. And if I remember correctly the horsepower submitted was 550. I worked for a Chevrolet dealership in the late 70s, so had a bit of info to tap into.
Found a dz 302 in a wrecked Camero in 1970, put it ina blue 1960 Chevy Biscayne 2dr had the engine rebuilt with trw 12.5 to 1 pistons, had it balanced with milling 505 solid lifter cam and a edlebrock tr1x tunnel ram intake manifold with 2 holly 600 cfm carbs munice close ratio 4spd trans. and a Lakewood scadder shield with a 4:56 posi in the rear. From 1970-72 nothing in Jacksonville Florida could take it on the street, could top end 167mph at 9050 rpms.
in 94 my dad's friend had and was selling a 69 convertible RS, SS paint wasn't 100% but it was fully restored for only 4K my dad wouldn't buy it and said, we'll buy one in a few years when they're 500, I screamed! they were 1000 last year! they're going up not down! what is that worth now? 50-60k min?
No, because they were so far out ahead of you, they posed do danger of throwing rocks on your windshield! I had a new Yenko Camaro in 1969, your 375 hp rating was being generous, they didn’t run worth a damn, needed a lot of work, then they could run with the big boys of the day.
@@johnharris8191 Well my uninformed friend, I am not talking off the top of my head from reading a magazine, in 69 and 70 when they were new, from the factory they were slugs, needed extensive work to run even decently, with work, they really ran well, I had a new Yenko Camaro in 1969, and the Boss 429 was a joke, overpriced and slow, the Boss 302 would annihilate them light to light on the street. But you go ahead and keep believing everything the magazines tell you, they wouldn’t lie! Would they? 😳🤔🤦♂️
@@johnharris8191 If you are talking new in 69 or 70 I’m calling BS on you my friend, they were rated at 375 hp, and that was generous in stock trim, if you weren’t beat by any, it’s because they didn’t want to waste the gas, I’m not going to bother to argue with you, if you’re talking stock, it just didn’t happen, period..
The 295 HP L48 350 would destroy the Z28 in a drag race every single time! I raced dozens of them and none were even close. I don't know why the Z28 is pumped so much. It had the right parts to make a track star out of it, like the 780 Holley, 2.02 big valve heads, etc. but it seriously lacked torque to get a street equipped Camaro moving.
I remember a couple of these around in the 70's. Yes they were strong but had nothing over a decent 327 or 350. Glad this video mentioned where they really shined, and it was not really on the street. And although they could rev they were nosing over about 6500 to 7000 rpm
You say a 302 would make 400HP......I think that's a little "optimistic" a good running 302 with a set of headers is probably around 350-360HP I've built many 302's in my life. My 69 X-ram equipped 302 ran high 13's @ the drag strip in the 1980's with a Crower solid lifter cam bigger than the 30-30 cam but, not quite as large as the "140" Off-Road camshaft package for SCCA TransAm racing....I had a 69 Z/28 with a "crate motor" 370HP LT-1 and with a set of headers and Holley Double Pumper carb it would run low 13's all day long in street trim. Great cars AND! The 302 Chevy made it to the showroom in the 67 model year....The 302 Ford came along in 68....Having also owned a 70 Cougar Eliminator Boss 302 the Z/28 in showroom trim would easily dispatch a Boss Mustang or Cougar....Ford ut a 6500RPM "Rev Limiter" on all their later solid lifter Muscle Cars that kind of made them dogs until you took it off.
U know that cover car looks like mine but mine was modded in the 80s with 78 rims & full blacked grille & I believe it was the 73 350 245 with TH350 speed shift
I’ve got a friend who has a one for many years now and has recently had it restored. He said that he wasn’t going to sell it and that a man offered him $100,000 for it but he turned it down and said that right now, money can’t buy it.
I bought a 1969 Camaro when I was about 16 or 17 years old in 1981 or 1982. It was my second car after my 1974 Dodge Dart Swinger. My '69 Camaro had a 327 in it. It was the 210 horsepower version. My Dad showed me how to rebuild an engine using that 327. It was rebuilt stock originally, but later on we did add some performance to that engine. It was a very fun car to drive! After the car was sold I put that 327 in a 1977 Chevy pick up truck. I put over 100,000 miles on that 327. Once that truck went to the junkyard I eventually sold that engine to another guy that was planning on putting it into another '69 Camaro.
My dad has a worked over 327 in his 69 Camaro from a 63 vette, the 327s are a real fun engine. A much more price effective way to get the DZ302 feel!
Sounds like some fantastic memories to always have sir. 🤝 When I was 9 years old in 1997 we lived in a travel trailer park with a large dirt circle surrounding it. Our only car was a 1973 dodge dart swinger and my mom would let me drive it around that circle. My first time ever being behind the wheel by myself 😂
@@WyattWillis88 Being only nine years old and driving a car must have been a very cool experience for you!
@@michaellambert3067 yezzir something I'll never forget lol. Would absolutely love to find/build an 68 69 dart gts with the 440. Unfortunately prices are getting well beyond blue collar folks lol
@@WyattWillis88 I actually own a 1981 Dodge Midas motorhome with a 440 big block Dodge engine in it. I'm trying to sell it.
My dad had the 302 M22 4:10 gears and it would hit 8k all day long. It was it's happiest after 5k. Man do I miss that car.
That had to have been a missile - Can't get enough of a nice high revving small block!
My older brother owned a '68 SS 350 4 speed Camaro and built his own 302 for it back 1972-73, using the short block and ported fuelie heads he bought from a local round track racer. Headers and he put a large(for a 302) solid cam in it well over 500 lift and initially used 4.88 gears but switched to 4.56s. The round track racers son helped him put it together. There was a not yet complete roadway about 2 miles from our house that guys raced on almost every weekend and in the summer if the house windows were open or if Dad and I were out on the patio listening to the ball game on the radio you could definitely always tell the distinct sound of my brother's Camaro vs anything else running up the road. The thing was scary lethal. Was the first car I ever road in that mashed me hard into the seat when he took off. Would literally take your breath away when he accelerated hard. He ended up selling it and went into the Air Force. Even though it wasn't a Z28 I always fantasized that car would be mine when I got older.
Cool story!
I have owned my 1969 Camaro RS/SS for over 42 years now. Only has the 4 bolt main 350 in it with an automatic. Great cruiser. Never let me down. Nicest part of it is, that it is a numbers matching drivetrain without 1 piece of pollution control from the factory. Well, it has a PCV valve but those are good. Love that 302 solid motor in the 69 Z's.
The 1967 line of Chevrolets is the most beautiful car line ever. Corvair, nova, Camaro, Chevelle, Impala, and Corvette, all classics now.
I have owned a 69 since I was 18, 62 now, bought the car with a 350, sold it back to the guy I bought it from, he blew the motor up, bought it back, put in a 283 I had laying around, built a 350 and ran high 12’s in the quarter. Currently I have a 454 big block in it, did a full restoration and painted it black in my home garage. I just love driving the car and watch people look as I drive by.
The Look. The Big Block Rat soundtrack. Black over top. Timeless. HeartBeat of America!
I had the opportunity to drive one of these 4" bore 302cid engines at Sebring back in 1999... It was in a 72 camaro though... My buddy built it for vintage racing... Unfortunately, I've lost all my own hotrods(79 Z28, 71 SS camaro, & 81 camaro 8.90 racecar camaro)... I was a junkie...! Addicted to heroin for 22+ years, I'm 72+ months sober now and wanna start getting my hotrod back...! Thanks for sharing...! Keep up your awesomeness...
Good job! Set your sight on bigger and brighter and more rewarding things! God Bless. 🙂
Congrats and remember... One Day At A Time!
@@OOICU812 yep, thanks a bunch...
@@42lookc thanks a bunch...! Have the greatest of days...!
Oh man I hope you do well today. I lost so much as well because of a workplace accident, it's never too late. I will return to school this year and get back to work. I hope you will be able to do the same. Drugs are awful, especially these. I was able to quit oxycodone. I threw them in my wood stove. It was the worse 10 days of my life but I was free after that. I don't recommend doing that but it was the solution for me. I know what it's like lose everything.
OMG we still have our Original 302 1968 Red and White Stripe Camaro!
Give 500$ cash crispy dollar bills 💸 stacks 😂
Good job !
I owned a '70 Mustang Mach I in '74 when I was in H.S. I raced a '69 Z28 that a guy in town owned. We both had headers and traction bars and larger than factory rear tires. My 351 4v Cleveland had an aftermarket aluminum intake and a Holley 850 Double Pumper with mechanical secondaries. Both cars had posi rearends, mine being the Ford 9 inch with 4.10:1 gears and his with Chevy 12 bolt rear end with 4.11:1 gears. My car had the Ford Top Loader 4 speed and the Z28 had the Muncie Rock Crusher. The Z28 came with a similar factory intake and carb, so it was effectively a good match between the Donzie 302 engine and the Cleveland 351 4v, which incidentally were rated at the same 290 BHP.. We raced twice one night and again a few weeks later. I walked him pretty easily ever race.
Probably the other way around you just wont admit it
@@RicAughinbaugh-lj9nnBS. A 302 against a 352 C .with those awesome heads. NO COMPETITION.
The DZ 302 was designed for track racing if you weren't aware. Did you Gents race on a road course then or just street light to street light with your bigger engine that had more low end torque?
The Z28 302 the best ant truest hipo engine ( 7 1/2 Grand shifts, easy) GM produced. The Car was simply incredible right off the Showroom Floor. Power to weight ratio.
Sidenote, it sounded as incredible as it went!
Only thing missing were good Tires.
I remember well the very first time I drove one in ‘69.
Awesome!
The 302 and 327 is the small blocks that I have respect.
Amen Brother. 👍
Does the 350 just go without saying, or is it like Rodney Dangerfield, and doesn’t get no respect?
Great engines I agree everyone it seems even ford and mopar guys know that when built right those small blocks are lethal
I think you meant to say, "The 302 & 327 cid engines are the Chevy small block engines that I have the most respect for."
@jamessneed8789 •
The small block 302 is a 283 crank in a 327 block
The 307 is a 327 crank in a 283 block
The 283 has a 3 inch stroke
The 327 has a 3 and quarter inch stroke
I have a built 327 /600hp that screams to the moon at 11,000rpm before the valves start to float in a 66 Chevelle SS
Some more specs/facts for the first gen Z/28's: In 1967 no Camaro (Z/28,RS, or SS) left the assembly line with spoilers. They were not offered until mid year as accessories from a dealer. They were developed for trans am and then became a regular option in 1968. Also outside of the stripes and 15" wheels nothing else visually marked a Z/28 on the outside. Early 1968 models featured a 302 engine badge. That was changed mid production year to the Z/28 logo.
Most 1969 Z/28s did not get a cowl hood (RPO ZL2 - special ducted hood), if fact the hood was not even available until January of 1969 (production starts summer of prior year). The "DZ" moniker refers to the letter code system Chevy employed to designate engine/trans mission combos at the engine assembly line, 67 and 68 engines are code "MO". The cross ram setup was a dealer installed option, parts would come in the trunk if ordered with the car. There was also a long tube header option that was similar. There was also a cowl plenum air cleaner dealer option as well. This air cleaner was 67/68 only, its a special setup that involved cutting a hole in the firewall below the cowl vents and it would draw cool air from the base of the windshield. The cross ram was supposed to be paired with the "140" off road camshaft instead of the stock 30/30. It was not a very streetable setup anywhere.
The 302 you show early on was actually a prototype engine where Chevy was toying with a semi-hemi head (think Boss 429) for the Z/28 package, but found it didnt gain anything overall for racing so it was scrapped. Smokey Yunick ended up with the motors and played with them for a bit.
No Crossrams ever came in the trunk and could not be ordered at the time you ordered the car, never an option code for the Crossram, over the counter item only which you could have the dealer install or do it yourself, and yes many Z28s came with cowl hoods as these cars were produced up until Dec of 1969, and as I have over 15000 miles on my Crossram when tuned properly they are very streetable
@@muscleonly1 I know of 1 car that the parts were in the trunk at time of delivery down in Roseburg, Oregon. Was unloaded to the lot with the pieces in it. I know there is no real RPO code for it, but the parts were ordered same time as the car. I know the car did not leave the assembly plant with them. They were added sometime in transit.
@@camaroboy1968ss Then the parts were put there at the dealership, No Crossram packages were avaliable at the factory, never happened, total myth, read Jerry McNeashes book on the subject and that is the facts, parts may have been in the trunk but they wernt put there from the factory
There are actually a lot of errors in this video. The narrator says that the '69 got a different rear spoiler. In fact, it was the same from 1967 to 1969. I also laughed when he implied that Ford had a 302 before Chevy. Chevy had the first 302 in 1967. Ford was using a 289, then went to a 302 tunnel port in 1968.
@@shimshonbendan8730 actually the spoiler is technically different in 69. 69's are wider than a 67/68. Early production 69's kept using the 68 spoiler and can be spotted easily as they leave a little gap on each side and are not flush to the side of the quarter panel. By I believe Dec/Jan of 68/69 Chevy had updated the spoiler and made it wider so it would extended out to be more flush with the quarter panel.
Also note that no 67 Camaro left the assembly line with a spoiler, the original decklids dont even have provisional spots on the inner structure to cut the access holes. The spoiler became dealer accessory sometime mid year and then they became a factory option and 68 with the decklid inner structure being updated to make it easier to drill and cut for the spoiler.
Thanks for the memories. I loved my 69, it was a beast with the optional factory race cam. When the crossram was on it, not much jump until about 4000rpm then hang on.
I’ve owned several Z/28’s. While in college I bought a 68 Z28 and a friend of mine is the current owner. In 75 I bought a 71 Z/28, in 77, 78 and 80 I ordered new Z/28’s all being 4 speeds. In 81 I bought a 70 Z/28 4 speed from the original owner and still own it today.
Thats a lot of Zs, which was your favorite?
@@rarecars3336Probably the 70 since I still own it then the 68. BUT my 1st new car I ever ordered was the 77 Z28. So that’s kind of special as well. Wish I kept the 77 and 78 but I didn’t have the funds. Too bad UA-cam doesn’t let you know when someone asks a question so they can reply in a decent timeframe.
My list of cars I want when I win the lottery.
1969 RS Z/28
1970 Survivor Z/28
1977 Z/28 survivor
1970 L78 Chevelle
1970 440-6 Challenger
1963-67 Corvette Stingray Coupe
For me, there is no more desirable car, than the 69 Z/28
Chevelle SS 454 LS6, Cobra 260-289-427, Mustang Mach 1 428 SCJ, GTO Judge Convertible, Corvette 427 tri-power, etc. List goes on and on. I get it though, that's the car you desire the most.
@@justme307just curious? What would be the "best years " 4 the 454 Chevelle? 1969, 1970? And 4 the 427 Corvette? 1967? Good day . How about after market 69 Camaros built by(forgot his name) who dropped 427's into the 69 Camaros & painted them an olive green color....
@@johnj3281 Hey! 1970 for the LS6 (396 was biggest stock engine in 1969). Yenko/COPO Chevelles were available in 1969. Other tuners like Baldwin Motion would drop a 427 in a Chevelle. For the 427 Corvette, IMO, it's a body-style preference whether one likes a C2 or C3. I think top dog is the 1969 aluminum block ZL-1. Now, what's the best Falcon/donk combo?
@@justme307 just saw another video (10 most powerful muscle cars of the 60's) & it mentions YENO & 2 others who dropped 427"s in Camaros plus the COPO's. Thanks for your reply. PS: the 69 427 Corvette was one of my favorites. Do U know anything about the 69 Corvette Roadster?
@@johnj3281 I was a teenager when those were on the road. From what I've read the 68 had new-body issues that were resolved for the 69 model year. If it's a 427 you're after then 69 is the last year. I'm no expert though, I do have a 98 convertible in my collection (including a 442, hawkeye Subie and a late-model Charger R/T). May I suggest you check out bring a trailer.
I worked at a body shop and painted a 68 z28 with a 302 and 3 or 4 speed in the early 2000’s. Yellow with black racing stripes,it was a sweet car.
A friend of mine that worked in a parts store. did something similar. He bought a 67 Camaro from a friend that blew the engine racing it. He had a 327 in his garage & took it to work to get it rebuilt. The machinist asked if he wanted it stock. Or wanted more. He told him to wake it up some. What he ended up with was a 327 with a 283 crank. A wild solid lifter cam & he had an in line dual quad manifold in the garage that he put on it. Driving it around town has not so easy. Because of the cam but once it got the revs up it was a blast.
My first car was a 1969 Z/28 Camaro it was black with white stripes and had a vinyl roof. I purchased the car used in 1978 when i was 18 years old and a senior in high school. Many times I would do 500 foot long burnouts right in front of the school and no one else had anything like it. As mentioned it was not primarily a drag racer but more designed for road racing with it's "revy" 302 ci motor that came into it's own at the higher rpms, The factory tachometer had a redline of 6000 unlike most other american v8s which had a redline of 5000. often i would rev it way past the deadline since it was at these moments you could really feel the power of these motors. The motor's ability to have higher rpm capabilities was not only as mentioned it's over square ratio (4" bore 3" stroke) but also the use if solid lifters instead of hydraulic ones that could induce valve float at higher rpms. The solid lifters gave the motor a cool clackity sound that I loved but had to be manually adjusted to keep tuned. It was a motor that without question had more then 290 hp. out of the factory mine had a holley 780 dual feed with vacuum secondaries carb on top of a high rise aluminum manifold, then the legendary "fuelie" 2.02 heads, a hot solid lifter cam, 11 to 1 combustion ratio and 4 bolt main bearings to to keep the bottom from dropping out. top that off with the cowl induction hood that forced air into the motor for more power. This was followed by a muncie m22 "rock crusher" manual transmission controlled by a hurst shifter and finally a 12 bolt rear with 3.73 gears and posi traction. it was all a young man like myself could ask for and was for many years my pride and joy and i miss it to this day! PS: it also won the trans am championship in in 1969 with Mark Donahue driving the blue Penske #6 car! sorry mustang lovers but Chevy rules! FORD is an acronym for, "Failure On Race Day!"
There were a total of four 302 V8's from American manufacturers, all with a 4.00" bore and 3.00" stroke: Ford Windsor 302, Ford Cleveland 302 (for export only), Chevy 302, and the Pontiac 301. Pontiac called theirs "301" so as not to be confused with the Ford Windsor engine, but Pontiac was accurate in calling it the 4.9L - 302 CID is 4942 cc, which rounds down to 4.9L, not up to 5.0L. At Chevy in addition to the 302 made from mix-and-match parts from the 283 and 327, the 307 is a 283 block with 327 crank.
Camaro all day long… I kept thinking what the heck my uncle was talking about…. High winding 302….. had no clue for years and never really had the urge to search for it, and this explains it all 👍🏾
Highschool Girlfriend, her Mom owned, since 71 a 1968 Camaro RS, similar to the Buddy R's Camaro in CHRISTINE, color and accents etc,, I was aloud to drive it, while being Picked up from Knott's Berry Farm,, Rest in Peace Sharon, i could never thank you enough,, i will always want a 1st Gen , just don't tell my 68 Dart
A guy in my town had one of these monsters when I was a kid. I only seen it a couple times on the road but it was a jaw dropper every time.
Back then, a friend owned a 69 Mach 1 that came from California and had everything, a 69 Z28 with 302 and 456 gears AND a 71 Hemi Cuda. All at the same time. Wasn't really that big a deal back then. He also owned a couple big block Chevelles, big block 71 Nova and a 440 Six Pack Cuda, but not all at the same time. I drove all of them and that Z28 was a screamer.
One of our close car show friends found a 68 302 block at a scrapyard about 4 years ago, he had it checked out and the block was fine he got it for 50 bucks, so lucky
This is one of the coolest engines/cars ever made. I’m building a 302 currently and I’m excited to see what it’ll produce
That's actually Awesome.. keep them Alive... Cheers from Huntington Beach CA 🇺🇸
Depending on the car its going in and if your used to 350s or big blocks, they can be kind of disappointing at first because the cars really lack the grunt at the low end, but once you get that thing above 4500-5000 rpm its unreal. I have a couple 327's that are pretty much 302's minus the crank and rods and they are the same way, just screamers. I would never trade a 327 or 302 for a big block.
Modern upper end parts heads you should easily get 450 without going to blowers or turbos.
@@camaroboy1968ss she’s gonna go into my third gen trans am for road course racing!!
@@bobdixon4998 yup it’s getting pretty good heads. A crossram intake manifold a good size solid roller cam.
Great video, and it brings back memories. I first saw one in R&T and Hot Rod magazines in 1967. In 68, a guy in my class at college, had a 68. Oh my... that was it... I wanted one. In 70, Chevy had extended the model year of the 69 Z to about halfway through the 1970 model year, as they were so popular and I guess the new design was not yet ready. I picked up a Dusk Blue 69 Z/28 which was used. Apparently, the previous owner had it get out of control and had some RF damage, so after it was very expertly repaired (could not tell anything was wrong), I bought it off a lot. Well, this car was all everyone said it was... and then some. I joined a Z/28 club, and we had the use of Dick Lang Chevrolet (he raced them in TransAm) after hours and on the weekends, to use their lifts. A friend also helped me at his uncle's service station and another friend, whose brother was a diesel truck mechanic, helped me. I learned a LOT about working on cars and we were able to find the right clutch setup, install a Lakewood bell housing, Hooker headers, and I was fortunate to find a new 69 cowl induction air hood and filter, which I had painted to match the car. The 780cfm Holley had an issue, so I bought a new one. Then, I knew someone at a speed shop, and they did an incredible valve job on it. Afterward, the car had well over 410 hp and it could rev up to 7k without an issue. The engine was likely the most powerful per liter/ci engine in the US at the time. The 327 block with its 4" bore and the 283 forged crankshaft with 4-bolt mains became a legendary combo. It had forged 11.0:1 pistons, which were highly unusual in an engine from the factory then. With the 3.73:1 positraction rear end, it could go very fast. The 140mph speedo it had could be seen at around, 6600rpms (if I remember it correctly). I had installed adjustable Konis on it and had some of the first radial tires as well. It handled very well. Loved the rally wheels look. It was fun to build (I installed most everything myself except the extensive top end valve job, which encompassed more than I care to type here), I learned a lot about how to work on cars and even contemplated changing my career direction to a race mechanics school (I wasn't that good, so I dropped it to go the academic route). I sold the car while in school and used the money to help me get through my education. The car is still around, but had been slightly modified to use as 1/4 mile machine, which was not my direction with the car... it looked a lot like the Penske car, so that was my goal. If I had kept it, I would have installed the rear disk brake kit (factory, OTC), better anti-sway bars (OTC), maybe the cross-ram manifold (OTC), and a few other minor items. However, as it stands today, that car is worth a lot more than I would ever want to spend on any car. Great car and I'm glad I got to experience owning one in its prime. One additional point... I did street race it twice... once with a Hemi 'Cuda (after the valve job, but still lost, but it was a friendly attempt at a race, although I passed him as his gearing was not for top speed, afterward we met at a burger drive-in and we both popped our hoods & he was amazed as it looked stock with headers, his was mostly stock as well with headers and a 5.13:1 rear end), and once with a Donohue AMC Javelin (no contest here, and I'll never forget the look on the guys face when he finally caught up at a light in the country (4-lane road), as he was shocked as he thought his TransAm car was the best (Hmmmm...). I was foolish for street racing and even though this was in the early 70's, with many fewer cars on the road than nowadays, it was dumb then and almost suicidal now with the traffic we now have on our roads. So, don't do it... use a track with all the safety requirements most have these days.
This video, the title at least, is laughable at best. The Boss 302 had almost identical specs ("underrated" 290hp/290lb-ft, redline in the 6200rpm range, capable of upwards of 8000rpm). Their actual performances were nearly identical across the board. The Boss had zero fear of the DZ. They're both extremely rare cars and pieces of history that will not be forgotten. Let's tip a hat to both of them 👍
I will probably agree the boss had no fear of the DZ302 . I have a old car and driver magazine that pitted a 69 Z/28 vs a boss mustang.. The ford was trailered in and the z/28 was driven there …. Well in this article the Camaro cleaned that fords clock in the drag race and wasted that boss in the road course.. this was only 1 article and doesn’t mean this would happen everywhere and every time but the CAMARO was and still is the King of the road course between the Z/28 and the boss mustang . Mustang seems to like drag racing but different story when it comes to turning… ! 🏁🇺🇸
@tonyeaton3886 Actually if you look back for 67 and 68 Ford did not have a 302 anywhere near close to the Chevy 302 in the Z/28 in terms of performance. The Ford 302 of the time was based on the Windsor engine platform (260/289/302) that grew to the 351W and was much different than the Boss 302 of 89/70. In truth the Boss 302 was the beginning of the Cleveland engine family for Ford with the larger ports and cantend valves that debuted on the 351C later in 1969.
Here's a good video of a dyno comparison of the 2 engines.
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@@carllmack2287 i did know most of this and have watched and commented on the video a while back .. i had a friend that had a boss 302 mustang that must have had those tunnel port heads cuz it was killer.. it sure seemed pretty rare too because i know several hard core Chevy racers that never ever lost to a ford …ever ! What If your accurate in your story how come Penske’s Camaros won the TransAm Championship in 1969 ? Most of my ford buddies point out that ford came back and won the 1970 trans am crown asking me where was the Camaro then ? Everyone knows Chevrolet denied being involved in in factory racing and Penske claimed they offered no real support so he jumped to AMC … Yup the Cleveland with its canted valve layout was pretty awesome until the rest caught up..I still remember the ford brass laughing at GM when they built the LS series ! And the battle continues …!
Tip are hat but we all know the GM beet the blue oval
I’m a GM guy, but on the street it was a drivers race when these two lined up, and who had the best tune, pretty evenly matched. I had a brand new Yenko Camaro in 1969, and watched these two many times. Both were beautiful fast cars.
My late brother bought a 69 Camaro hood at a swap meet back in the day. Oval cutout. Didn't even own one. Years later he built a 69 big block 9.90 drag/bracket car. He sent pick of underside to Camaro magazine. Guy traded him single carb cowel hood and $ enough to roof his home 4 that cross ram hood. RIP DAVID L KIRSCHNER. He earned a Wally in stock eliminations NHRA. 283 ,4 speed chevelle wagon. 😿❤🙏👍
Well I the 68 z dad said you're to young for the horses of a 396 or even 327-350. You can have a 302 I'm sure it's like 283. So he worked down town, he needed to use the my car while his was in the shop. I'll never forget the talk we had that afternoon 😂 great memories 😊
funny
All the brands did this way underrated. Love these high reving underdogs
The 302 z28 needed to be geared to run hard on the street. 4.11's or 4.56 rear end and this car was a beast.
Had a 69 Z with 4.88's, mickey thompson super scavengers,and a holley double pumper, acell ignition and traction bars..Fast as hell out of the hole only beat once. had 4 of my friends in her pulled up to a lite and here was this little English sports car. GREEN as I remember. Reving his engine.light turned I came out at 4000 rpms and the little shit pulled me by a car length. I had a lot of weight in her but still, what was this thing. I pulled 2nd and it got me some more. What? was going to 3rd and couldn't catch the little shit. Then the cops showed up and chased us never saw that car again. I found out what it was though a SUNBEAM TIGER............TRUE STORY. THE OTHER WAS A HEMI CUDA ON THE EXPRESSWAY. NEVER STOOD A CHANCE FROM 60 MPH ON, HE JUST WALKED ME.....
Sunbeams were pretty badass . 289 i think ???
The 1969 Z/28 Camaro is my absolute dream car. To me it is pure automotive perfection...
1st gen Camaros are the best looking pony/muscle cars..They look good as factory cars but make amazing restmod car..
Someone here commented that Car and Driver magazine ran a head to head test of the Z28 vs. the Boss 302 and the Camaro won. That isn't true. They actually compared a 68 Z28 to a 68 Mustang with a Tunnel Port 302. The respective manufacturers built them a pair of cars using all their best factory parts that customers could buy over the counter. The idea was to build cars resembling Trans Am racers but still be suitable and legal for street use. Both cars had dual quad intakes and 4 wheel disc brakes. Mustang weighed 3282 and the Camaro 3480. Mustang ran 13.96@106.13. Camaro 13.77@107.39. The Mustang handled better and lapped Lime Rock faster. However it also had F60-15 tires which were not supposed to be available to the public yet. Both cars were so good they really didn't pick a winner.
I’m a Chev guy and love the Z/28, but the Boss 302 had massive canted valve heads that Chevs would never compete with!
In the mid 70's when I was 19, my brother in law was 21, his 1968 camaro got totaled by a drunk driver right after getting painted. We took the insurance money and went shopping. He bought a 1969 ss camaro , 327 4-speed, was awesome when we got done with it. Just before he bought the 69 we looked at a 1968 Z-28, blue with white stripes. When the owner popped the hood to show us the 302 , we saw a crossram 2-4's we had no idea what we were looking at since the 327 or 396 big block were the hot set-up. We both agreed that carb set-up, especially without chokes would be tough to run and keep tuned for our Wisconsin climate. It had as the owner claimed headers from the factory . We thought it was B.S. , never heard of factory headers. It's one of those moments now that I'm in my 60's ,I now know what we were looking at and wish we could go back and buy that rare machine. Word hadn't gotten around about what a strong performer the 302 was and how rare it was with that setup. I have always wondered what happened to that camaro.
I had a '69 302 in my '78 El Camino. It was rebuilt, .020" over, and had forged 10.7:1 aluminum pistons and later GMPP aluminum heads, but it should've run about as well as a stock one (it would just do it on 93 unleaded). It was my only vehicle at the time, so I put Edelbrock Pro-Flo EFI on it for better cold starts and reliability. For its size, than thing would RUN! No problem at all boiling those 275s on the back at will. I gave 3500 for the engine in 2003.
Sounds like a sick elco, definitively the first 302 powered one I have heard of!
@@rarecars3336 My cousin knew the guy that rebuilt it around the time I was looking for an engine, I thought it was cooler than anything else I was going to find, so I bought it and we put it in. It had a Tremec TKO 5-speed and a Currie 9" with 3.89s. I traded it for a truck when I go into my apprenticeship and needed a reliable all-weather vehicle, but I should've bought a cheap beater to drive to work and kept it. I'll build another one someday, but sure won't have a 302 in it, haha!
Great Video, You are correct about some folks not knowing that Chevy had a 302cu engine, I grew up in the 60s & 70s and a friend of mine had a 1968-Z-28 Camaro, and It was quick, Thanks for posting. subbed. 👊 😎🇺🇸
I had the '69 Camaro LM1 with the 4-speed. More rare than the Z/28, but much less iconic. A buddy had the Z/28, and I loved how that 302 revved... one of my favorite engines for sure.
The ’69 GTO was delivered to Royal Pontiac where Milt Schornack and Dave Warren converted it to Bobcat specs and added headers and a Schiefer clutch. After some local racing, the GTO was shipped to Florida for testing at Miami Dragway. With open headers and 8.50×14 cheater slicks, it ran a best time of 109.52 mph in 12.62-seconds. With closed pipes and street tires, it ran 108.42 mph in 13.42 seconds. Impressive indeed!
As a teen my next door neighbor bought an SS with a 396. That car was the first car ride I went over 140 mph. We were racing his brothers C3 Corvette which was no slouch. 427 with Tri power carburetion.
My buddy still has his original dark green/black interior '68 dual quad that he got for graduation, I have always envied him ✌💖☮
Wow that is a killer graduation gift!
@@rarecars3336 I know & to still have it after 54 yrs
@@rarecars3336 Quite possibly literal. Can't imagine parents going that route for a youngster. I know what I was like at that age.
the Chevelles and Novas are frigging works of art
Back in the day. Bought a 68 Chevelle stock Car. In my class, could only have small blocks. Found a 69 302. Had a Very Good season. Chevrolet 🇺🇸🏁.
Thats awesome, thanks for sharing!
My Dad had a white 1969 Z/28 when he was my age (mid 20s). And when I was a kid he had a Blue 1967 SS 350. Man I miss those cars.
The Camaro is my favorite choice over the mustang hand's down ❤
I definitely have a soft spot for the 69 camaros my self
An older brother had a '70cuda 440supercommando 4speed with 3:73 rear, the only car 🚗 to beat it in the 1/4 mile was a '69 Z28 with a 302!!
That's because chevys ruled the street, strip,and track
Great vid!!!! 👍👍
Thank you!!!!
@@rarecars3336 👍
The Trans Am races between the Camaro and Mustang in this era were great. Factory pride on the line.
They still are. Every year I go to the Historic Races at Laguna Seca and there are dozens of the original cars racing.
@@65sohc Oh come on , those guys don't race at the same level as back then when factories where involved . I've been to histrionic races .
I owned one of the first 67 Z-28 which was badged as a "302" with cold air box in the trunk. Immediately put in the factory racing cam and autocrossed the car for a couple of years. Zero to red line in first gear happened in the blink of an eye. I encountered the car a year or so after I sold it; the owner had blown the engine, not hard to do with as fast as that think wound up.
cool story probably bs
When I was 18 I bought a 1968 Camaro that had a 454 vette engine with parts from his wrecked z/28
m22 3.73 12 rear with heavy duty leaf springs. I had a custom dual exhaust bent right off the headers in 2 1/2 then 2 1/4 after the turbo muffers.
Man could that car take off!! Especially after i Got a set of M50- 15 rims n tires
A 400 horsepower factory small block?! WOW! I wouldn't have thought that was even possible.
Not stock of course. But maybe race prepped.
Bought a 69z brand new off the show room floor. Yea, I'm an old dude now but I'll give you the truth on this 302 motor. Remember, it was built for trans am racing, not stop light to stop light. So yes, it was a little doggie on the street UNLESS, it was geared correctly. A set of 4.56 rear end gears and it was a total beast in 1969. Everything was there from the factory except the gearing, in most cases. They could be special ordered with street gears but most were not. I should have kept that car but that's the old woulda coulda 😂shoulda
A story about trans am would be great
Not sure if anyone mentioned in the comments, but the single 4 barrel version had a 30-30 solid cam. The dual 4 intake had a much more aggressive cam. Solid 140 off road camshaft that pushed the RPM's over 8000.
The Boss 302 and Boss 351 weren't just contenders, they're 🏆 champions.
Indeed. Cleveland heads are good stuff stock. No need to buy AFR or Brodix heads.
The 351 Cleveland was a very well designed engine, much like the boss 302 but Ford didn't make many of them and changed platforms so often that those engines have almost no support left. GM only has 3 small block platforms and every platform from GM still has massive support. Most people have never even seen a boss 302 or 351 Cleveland in person.
@@javman6022 It's kinda hard not to trip over a SBC every time you walk out your door. The planet has a solid layer of 350 blocks laying around waiting to be hot tanked. But you better call Jegs and get some decent heads because they didn't make any at GM lol.
My dad had one in his 72 Ranchero. Solid engine@@javman6022
@FrostyBob99 in the mid 70's no Ford Mustang with 302 or 351 could run with 327 4speed Chevy2 on street or strip.Not even close.
They also had RS/SS models.
My dad has one
@@Youralwayswhining4367 me too 68 matching numbers 350, 4 speed Muncie 110k miles
I own a 1970 Boss 302 a real champian itself.
I'd take the Z-28 Camaro over the Boss 302....only because I'm a Chevy guy and I built a clone car in my youth. And being the constant tinkerer I was, it eventually got ported bowtie heads(205/160 valves and roller rockers), a GM 140 off road cam, a Holley strip dominator and an 850cfm mechanical secondary Holley. That engine was a beast! It was eventually replaced with a 70 LT-1 short block and a freshened up top end and landed in a Gen 2 Camaro. The most fun to drive cars I ever experienced!
With all that said.....I love all the performance cars of the era! We wouldn't have had our favorites without all the rest of them! And the Boss 302 was not only the best looking Mustang ever built....but would be my first choice of any of them.....
Yes please on the Sunoco video.
I was in my mid teens when the Z28 vs. Boss 302 rivalry originated. I also subscribed to Car Life magazine which was the most down to earth car mag of the time. If you sent a letter to their "Action Line" department you received a letter back. Car Life distilled the essence of the two cars thusly; the Z28 was a passenger car chassis with a racing engine whereas the Boss was a racing chassis with a passenger car engine.
Lmmfao the 302 Boss engine was definitely not a passenger car engine by design, feel more than free to do your actual homework before you speak and stick your foot right in your own mouth
Boss 302 was no slouch of a engine. It had the Cleveland style heads with canted valves 4 bolt mains and extra webbing in the cradle for added strength. Both cars could be walked all over in a straight line by a big block version of them selfs but both these engines were as race car as any zl1, 426 hemi, or boss 429. And for sure more race car than a super cobra jet or 390 version of the car. The camaro did have the 4 wheel disk brake option and the boss did not, but I'd put these 2 up against any car being built anywhere in the world at there price with confidence it would be the fastest around any track. A e type might be faster but it cost twice as much. For the money they might have been the fastest cars being made in the world at that time.
You mean the boss had a racing suspension and a racing engine.
The Z28 engine was racier due to the high overlap cam which resulted in a meaner idle and higher as delivered RPM. The Boss had a milder cam, smoother idle and felt tamer. It was also limited to around 6000 RPM vs. the Z28 which I don't think had a limiter and revved to 7200. The Boss handled better. That's why Car Life said the Camaro felt like a racing engine in a street car whereas the Boss felt like a street engine in a race car. @@jesse75
If you read what I said, that was the impression reported by Car Life mag. The Boss had a fairly mild cam, smooth idle, and a much less peaky torque curve than the Z28 which was the exact opposite. Hence the driving experience was much more sedate in Car Life's opinion. @@gearhead682010
By far the best looking Camaro's 67-69.
I have seen other Penske camaro videos but I would like to see you do one as you are a bit more informative than others. Check out some of them though so you can add to them in the best way.
My 1st car was a 69 Camaro, which I wrecked, 2nd was a 69 Camaro, and my 3rd was a 69 Z28 which I wish I still had. I sold the Z28 to a friend in 1986 who still has it to this day.
302 z28 the beast
I had a 69 Z28 I miss it dearly yes that was the one I should have never let it slip out of my hands !
those picks of the 302 Hemi, were really nice.
What a fantastic channel. I'm so glad I found it two days ago. Job well done. So I have subscribed, liked and here is my comment for you Mr. or Mrs. Algorithm… Whoever you are!!!! 😂
Ahhh the 4.9 liter 302 v8. Camaro and Mustang. The Z was a bit of a dog at low rpm. She wanted to rev!!! Iconic cars.
I was at Seattle international raceway in 69 I was in 8th grade I asked Steve Rossi what car he like he wanted to Ford mustang I wanted a Z28 Camaro 5 years later when we both turned 19 we had our cars and we both still have them today 50 years later
Camaro all day!!!
Got a 327 now , might run a 283 crank in it
Love the 327, my dad has a mildly built one in his Camaro and it moves!
@@rarecars3336 I also got .040 pistons, I'm going to pop in it
Funny they were talking about chokes when dude tweeked out when shifting to second gear.
Wow I learned a lot I didn't know about the 302. I had a 64 Impala back in 76. It has many aftermarket items In the engine. That built it to 410 HP. But that the was max you could get in that day. Now with aftermarket you can build 550 HP 327s all day long. I loved the combination with the power glide trans. A B&M shift kit and you were set. I just really remember the power when you jumped into the power band with that power glide kicking in at 55 mph. You head would snap back because it was all there at 6500-7000 rpm. I didn't know the 302 was a beast of a different color.
Powerglide no
@@cosmicHalArizona yes power glide with B&M shift kit.
Taking the Camaro I drove one many times what time Mustang 302 being a close second but I’ve never driven a Mustang one or Road and one sure it’s a fine car. They look great.
I had a ,67corvette with a small block ,,,,300hp automatic after work I changed it to a427 4,speed An drove it home at 1100 with white knuckles.cant beat a big block
Big Blocks and small blocks and 4-speeds where everywhere. If your friend had one you just wait for him to stack it.
Buy the parts and put it together. The 70s was a great time to buy cars that were built in th 60s.
My older brother had a 69 Z with the 302 his senior year in high school 1971-72? Black with the white stripe,whenever I see 1 I always look at the interior. It had the black leather/naugahyde? Seats but with a black and white checkered cloth inlay have never seen that paint scheme with the checkered inlay.
Those seats are called houndstooth and they were the upgrade from standard vinyl.
Some people don't know this but, There were people Boring 283 Chevys out too 302 way back as soon as 1960. It was also a fact that the early Small Main journal 302 engine made more power. a1970 Boss 302 is my Favorite car.
I have one,, I shifted into second gear at 7200 rpm and broke the rear tires loose--music to my ears
My 68 MUSTANG never Feared them, it ate them!
The reason GM initially thought the Mustang was just a fad was because they were dressed up Falcons with nothing special going on mechanically. All sizzle, no steak. This was the polar opposite of the youth car they came out with that same year, the GTO, which was reletively average looking but mechanically special.
I would say the 290hp rating is actually accurate. The performance of the car in regard to it’s weight is just what I would expect it to be, which incidentally was pretty much identical to the 290hp rated Ford 302. As to a $5000 price for a 302 block, I attribute that to all the engines that got blown up by guys falling for the bs stories told by other guys about how high they routinely revved their engines. That’s the way it was then, I’d be surprised if it’s any different now.
You sound butt-hurt.....🤣
I bought a hugger orange Z/28 in 1973. It ran good for a bone stocker... mine really woke when I did a few mods...the factory distributor couldn't keep up with the rpm...got firing accurate to 7000 then was able to use bigger cam and headers...the 302 turned into a screaming demon
@@michaellankford835872 would have been 350 not 302
I've read & seen on Dyno... Depending on single 4 barell 350hp.... The crossram was around 380 HP.... Just info I've came across in the past
Also in this vid he says close to 400hp
Do a video on the Penske cars. I have a Chevrolet performance book giving all the changes done to the cars, and the specs submitted to SCCA. And if I remember correctly the horsepower submitted was 550. I worked for a Chevrolet dealership in the late 70s, so had a bit of info to tap into.
Camaro all day long.....
Found a dz 302 in a wrecked Camero in 1970, put it ina blue 1960 Chevy Biscayne 2dr had the engine rebuilt with trw 12.5 to 1 pistons, had it balanced with milling 505 solid lifter cam and a edlebrock tr1x tunnel ram intake manifold with 2 holly 600 cfm carbs munice close ratio 4spd trans. and a Lakewood scadder shield with a 4:56 posi in the rear. From 1970-72 nothing in Jacksonville Florida could take it on the street, could top end 167mph at 9050 rpms.
Love them CENTERLINES
The factory rating was correct, it was not meant to be max hp , it was 290hp at 5300
this is very good stuff. thank you
in 94 my dad's friend had and was selling a 69 convertible RS, SS paint wasn't 100% but it was fully restored for only 4K my dad wouldn't buy it and said, we'll buy one in a few years when they're 500, I screamed! they were 1000 last year! they're going up not down! what is that worth now? 50-60k min?
No one ever mentions that hotrod enthusiest were building the 301 in the late 60' s,4 inch bore 283's
Had a green 69 Camaro back in the early 70s. 6cyl, 3sd. stick. Fun but how I wanted the Z28...
Nice job!!
Thanks Mike, and thank you for always watching!
I had a Boss 429 that did not fear any Camaro.
No, because they were so far out ahead of you, they posed do danger of throwing rocks on your windshield! I had a new Yenko Camaro in 1969, your 375 hp rating was being generous, they didn’t run worth a damn, needed a lot of work, then they could run with the big boys of the day.
@@Musclecar1972 Only in your dreams.
@@johnharris8191 Well my uninformed friend, I am not talking off the top of my head from reading a magazine, in 69 and 70 when they were new, from the factory they were slugs, needed extensive work to run even decently, with work, they really ran well, I had a new Yenko Camaro in 1969, and the Boss 429 was a joke, overpriced and slow, the Boss 302 would annihilate them light to light on the street. But you go ahead and keep believing everything the magazines tell you, they wouldn’t lie! Would they? 😳🤔🤦♂️
@@Musclecar1972 Magazines Hell. Mine was never beat on Riverside Drive in Danville, Va. by a Camaro.
@@johnharris8191 If you are talking new in 69 or 70 I’m calling BS on you my friend, they were rated at 375 hp, and that was generous in stock trim, if you weren’t beat by any, it’s because they didn’t want to waste the gas, I’m not going to bother to argue with you, if you’re talking stock, it just didn’t happen, period..
The 295 HP L48 350 would destroy the Z28 in a drag race every single time! I raced dozens of them and none were even close. I don't know why the Z28 is pumped so much. It had the right parts to make a track star out of it, like the 780 Holley, 2.02 big valve heads, etc. but it seriously lacked torque to get a street equipped Camaro moving.
I remember a couple of these around in the 70's. Yes they were strong but had nothing over a decent 327 or 350. Glad this video mentioned where they really shined, and it was not really on the street. And although they could rev they were nosing over about 6500 to 7000 rpm
You say a 302 would make 400HP......I think that's a little "optimistic" a good running 302 with a set of headers is probably around 350-360HP I've built many 302's in my life. My 69 X-ram equipped 302 ran high 13's @ the drag strip in the 1980's with a Crower solid lifter cam bigger than the 30-30 cam but, not quite as large as the "140" Off-Road camshaft package for SCCA TransAm racing....I had a 69 Z/28 with a "crate motor" 370HP LT-1 and with a set of headers and Holley Double Pumper carb it would run low 13's all day long in street trim. Great cars AND! The 302 Chevy made it to the showroom in the 67 model year....The 302 Ford came along in 68....Having also owned a 70 Cougar Eliminator Boss 302 the Z/28 in showroom trim would easily dispatch a Boss Mustang or Cougar....Ford ut a 6500RPM "Rev Limiter" on all their later solid lifter Muscle Cars that kind of made them dogs until you took it off.
Great video!!!!
Give me the 69 DZ 302, and the 71 Boss 351. Best of both worlds 😎
Well done
11:55, yes, tell us more... I love the Boss, but I was a Chevy kid growing up.
U know that cover car looks like mine but mine was modded in the 80s with 78 rims & full blacked grille & I believe it was the 73 350 245 with TH350 speed shift
I’ve got a friend who has a one for many years now and has recently had it restored. He said that he wasn’t going to sell it and that a man offered him $100,000 for it but he turned it down and said that right now, money can’t buy it.