Disappointing. The kind of people who will manually enable and are willing to work with strict anti-fingerprinting are also the kind who will manually disable telemetry. I'd wager good money that the 0.5% figure is not accurate.
Whilst you are probably right, I can't see it making any difference. Even if it was 10 times that figure (which I'd consider to be highly unlikely), it would still only be 5% of users and most software companies won't devote there resources to the 1 in 20 people who use something at the expense of making things better for the other 19.
@@runQgC People the get fed this type of content are people that are searching for Tech and Privacy. They are trying to learn things. Then people like myself teach family members, so they know. But people that just recommend the Browser, the person will not go into settings.
I personally use strict mode and have seen almost no websites that are broken only only on strict mode, most of the broken websites require you to disable block fingerprinting altogether. I think the reason most people don't use strict mode is because the warning that it may break websites scares off a lot of people who wouldn't have any problems otherwise using it, I think if they reworded the warning it may gain much higher usage. I do agree as well, that most of the users with strict mode enabled probably have telemetry disabled.
I saw some people saying that some websites like Google Maps are broken, but I think that most of the people who are going to have strict mode enabled aren't using Google Maps in the first place.
The only reason I was using Brave was because of that function !!! And of course I disable telemetry on all software ! I now have to announce literally 4000 people to uninstall Brave because I advertised it for the fingerprint protection. What a stupid decision they made. Of course all the people that use fingerprint protection disable telemetry also.
hmm, like the OpenBSD approach: The code stays because it still serve a purpose. But when it isn't or nobody around to maintain it, code is discarded. That's efficiency tbh.
It is never that easy. If there is a feature in the code, the developers of all other features must know about it and check that it does not interfere with what they do. Depending on the nature of features it may take a second or increase the complexity of the whole project as a chain reaction.
Isn't Brave Open Source? Just announce the halt on development and let the community develop strict mode or at least maintain it, if they wanted to. Just to not remove a feature and not take away the option from people.
Bummer, it touched just enough into hard core stuff like fingerprint blocking that it was a no brainer. I guess I can move up the ranks to Tor for some situations. I won't uninstall brave but I might use it less in the future.
I'm starting to come around on telemetry and diagnostics ONLY IF it is anonymized and from a trustworthy source. I really like Fedora so I left diagnostics on to help the project even it it's only a tiny bit. On windows? Hell no.
@@STONE69_ linux just dropped their Russian maintainers as well! they're serious about privacy and the wellbeing of their project vs major corporations who sell data as bulk like its nothing
I know you'll say don't panic and leave brave. But this is just a series of wrong steps they will begin taking. I'm move away from them now. They lost what they stood for.
Needed the answer for a question. Dear friend, I was using brave and mistakenly opened the brave with tor private window. And in the top left window it started connecting me and when it reached 60% I panicked and closed the window. After I read about nodes things like entry nodes who knows your Ip address, I wanted to ask if it is safe ? Or my ip is compromised and prone to hackers? Please answer my friend
Dear friend, Using Brave's private window with Tor for a short duration and then closing it at 60% connection does not compromise your IP or make it prone to hackers. Why? Tor Entry Nodes: When you use Tor, your traffic is routed through a series of nodes, with the entry node knowing your IP address. However, since you closed the connection before it was fully established, the entry node likely did not complete the connection, and no data was transmitted. No Data Transmission: Since the connection didn't reach completion, your IP address was not exposed to the broader Tor network. Entry nodes are designed to protect user privacy and do not inherently compromise your security. IP Safety: Your IP address remains safe in this scenario. Simply connecting to a Tor network doesn't expose you to hackers. Tor's design ensures that user privacy is maintained, and your brief connection attempt does not pose a security risk.
liked the video....very helpful analysis here about brave not having the right data and claiming something stupid solution...I will continue with Vivaldi as my primary browser and Tor as secondary.
Brave totally lost focus... I cannot believe that they think that people who use fingerprint protection keep telemetry. Is this a joke ? It was a nice ride Brave, now I guess we have to move one. I cannot believe how many times I've advertised this app for this exact function. So sad.
yah I am not pleased. I always liked brave. Fast, chromium, convenient. And I can just put the knobs on privacy. I will keep using it I guess. I really don't care about finger printing much. Just don't want to deal with spam, but I might be out of touch. Might I ask why I should care about fingerprinting if you have any words on the matter?
@@platinumsun4632 because its a way much scarier method of tracking than cookies. It doesn`t matter if you use a VPN, sign of a website, delete cookies, wipe out your phone and then give it to someone else that uses another SIM and another internet connection they will still know that this device was yours before and everything you have done with it... That data its also sold to other private entities or govs and it can be used in very dystopian ways.
I don't use Google Earth or Maps. Removing "Strict" mode is a silly move since it requires Brave to expend TIME, EFFORT and MONEY to remove. Just leave it the hell alone, Brave! People can turn it off and on themselves.
@@moenibus I prefer a faster and a smoother experience. Fuck sacrificing speed and smoothness for privacy. It’s 2024 dammit Tor should be as fast as Chrome.
Anyone notice issues with iOS 17.2 update? I watch YT with brave but load times change DRASTICALLY after the update. Maybe a coincidence but it’s seems weird that I didn’t have the issue yesterday
once again they disappoint with their approach. instead of saying hey we want to focus to our protection on fingerprinting etc, fat they find excuses as to not actually say that. Their lack of responsibility is magnificent
For as much as Techlore stands behind Brave, you'd think the Techlore forum would show up in Brave's search engine. instead we get abunch of Redditers 😤
I wish we could donate to Brave because I've tried, and I would love to help fund these more advanced features but they don't have a "donate" button anywhere I can find.
Lesser than 0.5% are using this feature BECAUSE BRAVE RETURN IT TO "STANDARD" when you clear browsing data. It's always set to "Standard" on my device, although I want it to be "Strict". wtf? 😐
Not all Chromium browsers are gonna nuke your privacy: Brave and Vivaldi for example. Although Firefox browsers (Librewolf, Firefox, Mullvad, etc) are generally better for privacy, Chromium also has its own perks (extension support, ease of use, familiarity, to name a few) which, for me personally, sway me to choose Brave.
Google Chrome out of the box on a popular Windows Intel laptop is your best bet if you don't want to be easily tracked. Brave and Firefox and almost all privacy browsers are so rare that they actually help trackers track you. All the anti fingerprint stuff just means you are doing what almost no one else is doing. Not a theory. I know. :)
Disappointing. The kind of people who will manually enable and are willing to work with strict anti-fingerprinting are also the kind who will manually disable telemetry. I'd wager good money that the 0.5% figure is not accurate.
Its bs, most people that use privacy Browsers are in tune with going into settings to make changes to their liking. Brave now has pop up adds.
i disagree. people use brave because they assume it’s private out of the box
Whilst you are probably right, I can't see it making any difference. Even if it was 10 times that figure (which I'd consider to be highly unlikely), it would still only be 5% of users and most software companies won't devote there resources to the 1 in 20 people who use something at the expense of making things better for the other 19.
@@runQgC People the get fed this type of content are people that are searching for Tech and Privacy. They are trying to learn things. Then people like myself teach family members, so they know. But people that just recommend the Browser, the person will not go into settings.
I block brave completely so it never talks to anything at hq
I personally use strict mode and have seen almost no websites that are broken only only on strict mode, most of the broken websites require you to disable block fingerprinting altogether. I think the reason most people don't use strict mode is because the warning that it may break websites scares off a lot of people who wouldn't have any problems otherwise using it, I think if they reworded the warning it may gain much higher usage. I do agree as well, that most of the users with strict mode enabled probably have telemetry disabled.
I saw some people saying that some websites like Google Maps are broken, but I think that most of the people who are going to have strict mode enabled aren't using Google Maps in the first place.
It broke Google Docs for me too.
After watching this video, I decided to turn Strict fingerprinting on. I do not update Brave as I am using Windows 7.
This is the all-or-nothing wrong approach, we should be able to exclude certain sites from fingerprinting.
Which websites break?
The only reason I was using Brave was because of that function !!! And of course I disable telemetry on all software ! I now have to announce literally 4000 people to uninstall Brave because I advertised it for the fingerprint protection. What a stupid decision they made. Of course all the people that use fingerprint protection disable telemetry also.
If you turn this on you turn telemetry off. I guess nobody taught them about how selection bias works
hmm, like the OpenBSD approach: The code stays because it still serve a purpose. But when it isn't or nobody around to maintain it, code is discarded. That's efficiency tbh.
It is never that easy. If there is a feature in the code, the developers of all other features must know about it and check that it does not interfere with what they do. Depending on the nature of features it may take a second or increase the complexity of the whole project as a chain reaction.
I have had almost 0 websites break using strict mode within the last few years
Isn't Brave Open Source? Just announce the halt on development and let the community develop strict mode or at least maintain it, if they wanted to. Just to not remove a feature and not take away the option from people.
Seems like they kinda lost focus removing features and not working on real need ones for users
Probably could've just left it in as an experimental feature withouth any further updates. Not that big of a deal though
SO more people need to just use the feature
No more Chromium browsers for me. What really pains me is seeing this affect mobile too.
Bummer, it touched just enough into hard core stuff like fingerprint blocking that it was a no brainer. I guess I can move up the ranks to Tor for some situations. I won't uninstall brave but I might use it less in the future.
After watching this video, I decided to turn Strict fingerprinting on. I do not update Brave as I am using Windows 7.
i use strict mode, telemetry off, never had any sites break.....
In the Nightly version of Brave, it is already implemented and the truth is horrible.
I did a fingerprint test and now Firefox has better performance.
Why noone seems to think of just adding the ability to add exceptions (excluding certain sites from fingerprinting protection)?
I have set it to strict and no problems at all and I have analytics disabled.
After watching this video, I decided to turn Strict fingerprinting on. I do not update Brave as I am using Windows 7.
Just be aware of the limitations of not receiving security updates.
I'm starting to come around on telemetry and diagnostics ONLY IF it is anonymized and from a trustworthy source. I really like Fedora so I left diagnostics on to help the project even it it's only a tiny bit. On windows? Hell no.
You are gullible, Fedora is a Redhat project, you are using a Corporate distro, which defeats the purpose of using Linux in the first place.
Don't break their reality bro
@@STONE69_ linux just dropped their Russian maintainers as well! they're serious about privacy and the wellbeing of their project vs major corporations who sell data as bulk like its nothing
they remove my favorite settings in brave the " dont Allowed to use third-party cookies " sad now all the cookies is saved in my browser
I know you'll say don't panic and leave brave. But this is just a series of wrong steps they will begin taking. I'm move away from them now. They lost what they stood for.
I did meet some issues dealing with my Internet Bank. Did not let me finish tranfers. But I use it for the rest of my things.
I'll tell you this: no matter how much they say a browser is private, if it's based on Chromium, it ain't really private, you know?
ungoogled chromium exists
Ten month later, uh haven't noticed anything. still no ads showing up or anything. so....uh what?
Needed the answer for a question. Dear friend,
I was using brave and mistakenly opened the brave with tor private window. And in the top left window it started connecting me and when it reached 60% I panicked and closed the window. After I read about nodes things like entry nodes who knows your Ip address, I wanted to ask if it is safe ? Or my ip is compromised and prone to hackers?
Please answer my friend
Dear friend,
Using Brave's private window with Tor for a short duration and then closing it at 60% connection does not compromise your IP or make it prone to hackers. Why?
Tor Entry Nodes: When you use Tor, your traffic is routed through a series of nodes, with the entry node knowing your IP address. However, since you closed the connection before it was fully established, the entry node likely did not complete the connection, and no data was transmitted.
No Data Transmission: Since the connection didn't reach completion, your IP address was not exposed to the broader Tor network. Entry nodes are designed to protect user privacy and do not inherently compromise your security.
IP Safety: Your IP address remains safe in this scenario. Simply connecting to a Tor network doesn't expose you to hackers. Tor's design ensures that user privacy is maintained, and your brief connection attempt does not pose a security risk.
liked the video....very helpful analysis here about brave not having the right data and claiming something stupid solution...I will continue with Vivaldi as my primary browser and Tor as secondary.
Dang didnt even know they did that
Brave totally lost focus... I cannot believe that they think that people who use fingerprint protection keep telemetry. Is this a joke ? It was a nice ride Brave, now I guess we have to move one. I cannot believe how many times I've advertised this app for this exact function. So sad.
Brave has became crap nowadays. A privacy focused browser with tons of bloat. I moved on after they installed brave VPN without my permission.
yah I am not pleased. I always liked brave. Fast, chromium, convenient. And I can just put the knobs on privacy. I will keep using it I guess. I really don't care about finger printing much. Just don't want to deal with spam, but I might be out of touch.
Might I ask why I should care about fingerprinting if you have any words on the matter?
@@platinumsun4632 because its a way much scarier method of tracking than cookies. It doesn`t matter if you use a VPN, sign of a website, delete cookies, wipe out your phone and then give it to someone else that uses another SIM and another internet connection they will still know that this device was yours before and everything you have done with it... That data its also sold to other private entities or govs and it can be used in very dystopian ways.
Google Maps, Google Earth and many other websites break on strict mode.
for me this is a feature
I don't use Google Earth or Maps. Removing "Strict" mode is a silly move since it requires Brave to expend TIME, EFFORT and MONEY to remove. Just leave it the hell alone, Brave! People can turn it off and on themselves.
@@xijulian I'm certain many other websites break too but I can't remember which ones off the top of my head.
precisely. and that's the reason you should use strict mode.
@@moenibus I prefer a faster and a smoother experience. Fuck sacrificing speed and smoothness for privacy. It’s 2024 dammit Tor should be as fast as Chrome.
Yes, I've sites breaking on regular basis because of strict mode. So I've switched to standard. I'm one of those people who disable telemetry btw :D
what sites? as i have never had any site break lol
By that logic why javascript toggle still exists because that breaks websites too
Is the fingerprinting random? How can it be used to track you then?
I always try to disable telemetry and all other spying trash on every app and browser that have such things
Brave is open source right? The 0.5% out there maintain a plugin for it, boom problem solved, the code is already there (for the most part)
now THAT will make users more uniquely identifiable... ffs Brave
Pls reply if u find one 😮
Anyone notice issues with iOS 17.2 update? I watch YT with brave but load times change DRASTICALLY after the update. Maybe a coincidence but it’s seems weird that I didn’t have the issue yesterday
UA-cam's going scorched earth right now.
its adblocik switch to ublock
@@hadeoxdc4312 I did but now they're throttling, where I get pauses all the time.
I’m glad I use librewolf and not brave. I never understood the appeal of brave
I still have in in Oct 24
very well said henry, love the video
Do you know why Brave doesn't recognize the microphone on some websites like google translate?
And just like that, I’m switching to Librewolf 😅
once again they disappoint with their approach.
instead of saying hey we want to focus to our protection on fingerprinting etc, fat they find excuses as to not actually say that.
Their lack of responsibility is magnificent
For as much as Techlore stands behind Brave, you'd think the Techlore forum would show up in Brave's search engine. instead we get abunch of Redditers 😤
gonna stick to librewolf
welp... Brave DID A POTENTIAL OOF
I now use FF with UBO ANYWAY
Good video.
So which is a safe browser now?
I recommend librewolf. I’ve been liking it
Engagement
Time to Go back to Firefox..?
should check the dark web they could inform you how prevelent it is given how the actors using the darkweb haven been caught like that.
what?
Librefox it is
Firefox hasn't...
Mullvad browser VS I2P
Who wuns?
Switch to Firefox!
Excellent video 👍 Thank you 💜
Yeah if this applies for mobile too, that means ios is 0 privacy garbage now.
hi
I wish we could donate to Brave because I've tried, and I would love to help fund these more advanced features but they don't have a "donate" button anywhere I can find.
they are already making millions off of their crypto. they are by no means struggling.
I only use brave as a chromium browser to run some progressive web apps, so I don't really care
Solution: Floorp
Librewolf
Very brave of them xD
That is some BS. What the heck that is not cool at all.
Lesser than 0.5% are using this feature BECAUSE BRAVE RETURN IT TO "STANDARD" when you clear browsing data. It's always set to "Standard" on my device, although I want it to be "Strict". wtf? 😐
I never used Brave, and most definitely won’t be going forward
👍
First!!!!
Brave was always crap
Why would you use a chromium browser at all if you want privacy
Not all Chromium browsers are gonna nuke your privacy: Brave and Vivaldi for example. Although Firefox browsers (Librewolf, Firefox, Mullvad, etc) are generally better for privacy, Chromium also has its own perks (extension support, ease of use, familiarity, to name a few) which, for me personally, sway me to choose Brave.
Google Chrome out of the box on a popular Windows Intel laptop is your best bet if you don't want to be easily tracked. Brave and Firefox and almost all privacy browsers are so rare that they actually help trackers track you. All the anti fingerprint stuff just means you are doing what almost no one else is doing. Not a theory. I know. :)
@@trappedcat3615brave is very popular
@@roileytdon't talk about Vivaldi and privacy when Vivaldi isn't even open source
Better security and, on Brave, better fingerprinting protections.
Your scared of Tom Spark's Reviews
This just means I'm deleting brave. Honestly it doesn't vibe with me since they added that crypto stuff so... :/
I dont care about fingertracking 🥸💀