@Jay Wilson love your take on it, but this may seem like Crazy ideal, why can't you use the intake to bring water to Sump with a skimmer on top and lower, then use the return pump, would it make sense to use both. Canister filter the prefect filter for such things quietly, then you simple adjust flow back to tank with return pump, maybe I am over simplifying this. If your canister is natrate factory, great that why you send it to your sump and refuge, then bame return pump to tank. You can adjust flow back for level. Next best thing is power failure, no shipon. You could even have auto on and off level controller for safety if your filter gets plugged up. Good example is Fluval surface skimmer intake.
@@Jaywil07Agreed. Bottom sumps are a huge headache to clean out and an eye sore for doorless aquarium stands. All you need is a canister filter with 100- or 50-micron filter felt (which works better than Poly-Fil for removing green water algae by the way), and an Unscripted Aquarium Clarifier (UAC). Tiny device that’s safer than UV sanitizing filters and it won’t break your wallet.😊
I use sumps on my larger tanks because as a 52 year old female, lifting large canisters out to clean them was painful on my back. But I totally see your good points on canisters. I’ve had them. I also love supplementing my sumps with “planted” versions of the Aqua Clear HOB filter. I say all filters have their strengths and weaknesses. In the end, every hobbyist should do what works for them in their situation for sure. Great vid.
I’ve used sump and canisters and honestly I love fluval hang on back so much easier to take care of and my water never changes it’s always the same I do once a week water change and everything is healthy
So I used to have a canister filter and either it never worked right or canisters just sucked 20 years ago. For my tanks to be healthy I need flow through media. The only healthy tank I’ve ever had was with a in tank sump. It has baffles and packed full of live rock. This way all my rock gets used for filtering instead of just having a bag of media on the bottom of a compartment in a sump. I don’t like leaks either so I’m moving to a above aquarium sump with plants and baffles. I don’t have a salt tank any more but I used the same in tank with sump built in for fresh water now and it’s a problem free tank that doesn’t leak or make noise. The over tank will make noise but no where near as much as my large aquaponic system. I liked where you were going with this video but it was a little long for me and I wanted to hear more about the canister filter.
I GOT IT!!! Use the canister filter to feed the sump!!!!! No overflow splash down noise with the best of both worlds!!!! Maybe overly complex, twice the cleaning, more points of failure.... ah crap nevermind....
I have long had the same idea with using the canister to run water back to the aquarium and a herbie for silent overflow. Leave the canister empty and it does not need to be serviced. The advantage (besides a silent and powerful motor) is you can take the return out of the sump and put it in the aquarium and clean and service the sump. This could be done as a water change since you need to drain the sump to clean it.
@@blacksnakegray2552 I didn't mean to drain it or use cleaners. I meant to remove algae and build up from the surfaces plus cleaning or changing the media as needed just like with any filter. Build up needs to be kept to a minimum.
@@Kenney9120 i knew that you didnt use cleaners. I didnt know how how much you cleaned it. I know that over cleaning can kill some bacteria. But you just got the extra off, gotcha.
Right in the feels today, Jay. Stories of my late father are the only thing that chokes me up. You could start a 2nd channel with just motivational stories and I'd be there front and center. You're awesome!
Thanks for the heart felt video, i lost my dad on father's day this year. You helped me realise that its not just me, that tears up talking about thier dad. N thanks for sharing yr life choices. God Bless
Wow! This is the first video i have watched of yours and i am blown away! I wasnt expecting to learn so much about you. I like how real you are and the fact that you teared up was cool and im glad you didnt edit that out. Im a new fan and have to see more! Thank you for the sump vs canister info and the life lesson as well🙏
I am wondering, (and have never read anyone else discussing this) - a sump takes water that is over-flowing from the top surface of the aquarium. A canister filter PULLs water from the CENTER of the water column. Crap & wastes don't float up to the top they sink to the bottom, or get stirred up from fish. Wouldn't then a canister filter be more effective at pulling in the wastes, as the intake pipe is closer to bottom & the wastes moving around?
Greetings from the Uk. I came here as a distraction from sone personal stuff but actually gained an insight away from fishkeeping. Thank you and resoect Jay.
WOW mate what a set up you have. I have just got into the hobby with a fluval roma 125 ltr. I have took off the U3 internal filter and put on fluval 207 canister. My water is crystal and my fish are thriving. I have subbed I like what you have to say.
great video i was thinking about putting in a sump on my 90 gallon discus aquarium, after seeing this video ill stick with my 2-eheim 2217s. navy seabee retired
I'm with you completely! I am fed up with my sump. When I change my system which I will be doing when I go back to freshwater from salt water I will be using 2 canisters on an African Cichlid tank. The only issue I don't have is the noise issue. Mine is silent.
I have always run a canister of some kind or the other. I had a HOB on my 75 gallon though. I wanted to change either to a sump or canister. Never had a sump, so I did a home build and you are correct, the NOISE is outrageous. The noise from the sump was bad, but the setup is next to my wife's computer and desk and the noise that came from her, complaining about the sump noise was OUTRAGEOUS. So, I wound up buying a fx6. I walk buy sometimes and have to feel the hose to make sure it's on, because it is silent.
I have fx6s and fx4s and they are quiet but you can make a sump system just as quiet. You have to build your baffles in a certain way, plumb in a certain way and not buy cheap pumps
It's awesome to see your video.. Totally Agree ..Its a HOBBY and it's how i enjoy doing mine.. Plus your reasoning is absolutely RIGHT about the canister filter 👍
Really loving your content and perspective on the canister vs sump. The hobby almost makes you feel guilty for using them, but sometimes they are more practical. Good for going with what works for you and not being ashamed......
Well done Jay, been following you for a few years and love your videos, but this one is one of "the best"... so glad you made this and thanks for sharing.
How did that work out? In the 13 years I have had fish, sumps are for sure #1 but that's if you know how to build it and plump it correctly and what type of fish you are holding..
@rickywoods3101 worked out perfectly fine. Canisters will always be my favorite and sumps 2nd. No matter how you plumb them, they will always be louder than a canister. 😉
@@Jaywil07 I was asking kpsprofile578, but i use canisters as well but my sump setup is just as quiet. I would have to measure the decibels to know which one is actually more quiet . I'm glad you like the canisters though, canisters for sure are the easiest way to have a quiet setup if you buy the correct canister.
@@Jaywil07 well idk why my comment was deleted, wasn't asking you but I use both in different aquariums but you can get a sump just as quiet or even more quiet. You have to buy good pumps, plumb overflow correctly, and baffle the sump differently. If your interested I can explain later, my wife is on me to finish this other sump for the aro/ray tank, so I get it out of the kitchen lol
I like canisters, but like my sump that came with an existing setup I bought. It was loud at first and drove me nuts, but I was able to modify it and eliminate the noise so I like it. I'm not going to replace any canisters - I like both.
Love your vibe Jay. Sump trolls can be worse than northfin trolls! It took me a long time to figure out, quiet up, and tune up my sump. That is not the best set up, sumps can be WAY simpler than what you got going on. Canisters are easier for sure, but to truly get your fish nerdery on, one should master sumps....
i just switched my entire fish room to a central air system! most of my large tanks are running matte filters and seven of the tall display tanks are switched to undergravel filters! goin back old school! haha
Undergravel filters may be old school but they are damn efficient...not only that but that area of the tank is low flow so you can harvest a lot of nitrate eating anaerobic bacteria there.
I was just snooping for some built in, back of tankwall overflows, and saw your caption pic. All I could think of, was Loverboy cover, from back in the day.. The pink shorts maybe ? Always good info Jay !
I recently bought a 125 gallon tank, my dream tank that came with a HW 5000 filter with it I was wondering if it was enough or run two canisters? I also have two power heads for circulation.
@@Jaywil07 thank you I appreciate that. I've been into this hobby since around 99 started out with a 5 gallon then to a 40 high then a 55 which I have now but brought this 125 going to transfer my gouramis soon and I had a penguin 330 bio wheel for years until I bought my first canister filter a cascade that I think works better. Sorry to talk your ear off.
Question for you. So I have PVC pipes coming out the bottom of the tank that was hooked up to a sump. If I connect a cannister to the PVC pipes and I need to clean the canister, how would I stop the water from the tank coming out once I take off the canister
Jay I've already got the twin cannister setup you mentioned. One cheap canister full of sponges and the other with a big pre filter full of sponges before an Oase biomaster thermo 600 with every available space full of seachem matrix. Had a few issues at home lately so neglected water changes for 3 weeks. My water was still crystal clear and water parameters spot on . Even the nitrate tested at only 15ppm. Not bad in an over stocked cichlid tank. Great video again.
Jay great video. Someone had to say it and you did. Each person needs to do what is best for them and not what the masses say they need to do. Couple of things, 1 is there an estimate on when Northfin will have the flake out? Been waiting awhile for it because the quality will be so much better than what is out there now. And 2 never be sorry for getting emotional, it shows you are human and helps break the stereotype that men can't be emotional. Keep up the great work and look forward to whats to come.
I had a 29g aquarium I turned into a sump for years it worked amazing but YES I got tired of the gargling sound that’s impossible to stop. I instead for an eheim3 and a sun sun and every few months I fully clean one and put it back and it’s worked for me. Overall I really like the canisters more even though I’m possibly sacrificing a bit of filtering capacity. I do 40% water changes every 2 weeks and my overall routine is easy and enjoyable. Canister filters all the way for me. I’m also 6’7 minus a foot or so. 😊
Jay, you need to do a bean animal setup with gate valves that allow you to control flow on the drains...that will silence any noise your getting from the overflow. If your getting splashing over the filter socks, get an acrylic splash plate or just put a long coarse sponge over the socks...the issues your facing are issues everyone faces...I bought the Trigger 39 Emerald sump because they thought out most of the noise issues in their design. That said, absolutely nothing wrong with canister filters.. especially that awesome HW5000 from Sunsun. I would venture to say that folks that don't have a massive bio load or have plants in their tank, don't need a sump. Great video!
I use a gate valve to control water coming into the sump...dead quiet...no bubbles or gurgling noises. It's a vertical drop from the overflow into the sump with a PVC pipe and a coupler...and then the gate valve. I only hear the return pump, two mp40 power heads and the protein skimmer. Very quiet.
I still use the pumps that you hang on the back or the filters or whatever they're called. I think they've been working pretty well for me and I just have to change the cartridge thing every six months or so.
So I was going to pick up chemi pure, but I’m not sure if I should get the elite , or the blue one , I have a 90 gallon African tank , any suggestions. Thanks. Keep up the great videos man
Great video. I had similar problems with echo and high ceilings. Only thing that fixed it was covering a piece of wood in that foam and suspending it a foot or two off the ceiling. Even a small 2ft by 2ft board hanging will change everything
I agree with you. I run 2 fluval 407s on each of my 90 gallon discus tanks. I use pre filters on all the intakes which I customize my self, saves on filter maintenance. I run the biohome ultimate media and 4 inch sand beds in all my tanks, cut way down on nitrates. I like to keep nitrates at zero if I can. always wanted to try a sump but after watching your video im staying canister filters. great video
Hey bro my local fish store said you can use a hang on fluval filter to use as a little sump can you? I’m going to try it I’m putting de nitrate media and chaeto.
I run 2 FX6s on my 120 and they are quiet and always have crystal clean water. It's too quiet...lol. I am actually going to add Tidal 110 just to get a bit of a water fall effect sound, instantly add Purigen or other chem when needed and add additional flow on a overstocked African Cichlid tank. They just won't stop breeding...lol. My whole family love to watch the fry grow among the adults and how they fend for themselves among the Holley Rock. I will have to get some out of that tank in the next few months for sure.
I currently have 2 canister filters on my 125 gallon it works great for me and the fishies I would like to get in the future a 300+ gallon, hence the interest in a sump But still going back-and-forth on which would be better for that size of tank a canister or sump?
I agree that you should always pick what works best for you... If you have a setup that you are not happy with then your enjoyment is down and actually lends for crapper maintenance. I personally do not have a sound/noise issue but my sump is fundamentally different in the design and it’s quieter... but they both work well enough that both are suitable systems. keep up the good videos
Nice video... I've been fish keepin for 40 yrs.. you will alway have " know it alls "out there.. Or those who cant think for themselves.. do what works for you.. i have for 40 yrs & its worked for me.. i aint saying i haven't made mistakes or that i haven't learned anythg new.. just saying dont need to follow the crowd..
A sump with filter socks, fluidized bed and large reservoir is the best. Once a week, just toss the filter socks in the washing machine, drain and refill the reservoir for the water change and you are done. I fill my reservoir with tap water and let the heater warm it up before I turn the pumps back on. A fluidized bed filter powered by air stones needs minimal maintenance, just make sure the air stones are working properly.
Hey Jay. Good video except for the end. I am a 23 yr. retired USMC. I have done alot of things in my career. When u do something worth any praise, take it in. Be proud of who u r. That mean something. When u have to tell the world about what u have done, it loses something. Just saying. Do good deeds for urself. Be proud of what u have done. No one else needs to give u approval.
I prefer hang on back filters. I've had nothing but problems with my marineland c360. Bought a second one to scavenge parts off of. No problems with my 2 aquaclear 110 filters. And a sump is far superior to any other kind of filter.
We find inspiration in some very unlikely places. When I first started watching your video I thought " this dude is a little out there." I did think I was going to find inspiration here I just wanted some others opinions. Man I can't begin to explain how much you actually just helped me. I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. It's been a very tuff year for everyone and I needed your words. Thank you brother! BTW I LOVE SPONGE FILTERS 🤣🤣🤣
Im going to go with a canister on my new 120. Problem is that the tank has two corner overflows. They are plugged but i dont know what to do with that dead space.
Not being an acquarists, or having owned a fancy smancy acquarium, however I did own an old style pump acquarium in the 1970’s, but from your conversation, you probably should use a larger size pump system?
Are trolls really trolls...or are we being so sensitive to another person's opinions? I was taught take what you can use and the rest leave it where it is. I have done sump, hob, and canister. Canister has been the more enjoyable experience. Less work doing maintenance and more time to just enjoy the tank and it's inhabitants. Great video and content. Keep doing it your way.👍🏾
i used to run an fx4 on my 80 gallon, i found that 2 aquaclear 110 were doing much more for me and easier maintenance , i also am not fan of the false advertising when it comes to the pump flow rate, if you see 700 gph on the box you expect to get it
If you had a different sump design it would not be as loud. The only time i hear mine is at night when it is very quiet in the house. As you and others said though its your tank and do what makes you happy, cause nobody on here has to deal with it. Very nice tank design!!
Show me how to properly setup afx6 canister filter . I have a old one and it burbs . The new ones shut off to correct the back pressure then start back up . Appreciate a response and help . Thank you .
👍👍Great video loved it.. he'll I love all your videos. Only been in the hobby a year.. I'm still learning & have a whole lot more to learn.. a whole lot more. Thank you.. you are so informative, transparent, inspiring, & positive . Again thank you Jay.
Hit subscribed a while back, liked and commented lol. I've just added a large canister to my first marine tank....you can imagine how that goes down in the reefing community 😂. I don't see an issue as long as you are willing to put in the maintenance.
Love what you had to say my friend and whatever works for you, that's all that matters. Great presentation and it made me laugh. God bless mate and sorry it took 3 years to find this video 😂
These are stocks i have Lethinops-3 Nyasse yellow peacock-1 Yellow lab -2 Mylandi peacock -1 Yureka red peacock-2 Urnd reef neon blue -2 Red dragon blood -1 Usiya flavescent peacock -3 Flame tail peacock-1 Walteri peacock-1 Taiwan reef -2 They are juvenile at moment how long I can have them 3x2x2 78 gallon
Ran across your channel by accident doing research for my African Cichlid tank. Your channel is SO MUCH MORE!!! Thank you!
Thank you so much
Thank you. I agree. Running an over stocked 250 gallon African Cichlid tank. 2 Fx6 and large sponge filter. Been caring for fish well over 40 years.
@Jay Wilson love your take on it, but this may seem like Crazy ideal, why can't you use the intake to bring water to Sump with a skimmer on top and lower, then use the return pump, would it make sense to use both. Canister filter the prefect filter for such things quietly, then you simple adjust flow back to tank with return pump, maybe I am over simplifying this. If your canister is natrate factory, great that why you send it to your sump and refuge, then bame return pump to tank. You can adjust flow back for level. Next best thing is power failure, no shipon. You could even have auto on and off level controller for safety if your filter gets plugged up. Good example is Fluval surface skimmer intake.
@@Jaywil07Agreed. Bottom sumps are a huge headache to clean out and an eye sore for doorless aquarium stands. All you need is a canister filter with 100- or 50-micron filter felt (which works better than Poly-Fil for removing green water algae by the way), and an Unscripted Aquarium Clarifier (UAC). Tiny device that’s safer than UV sanitizing filters and it won’t break your wallet.😊
I use sumps on my larger tanks because as a 52 year old female, lifting large canisters out to clean them was painful on my back. But I totally see your good points on canisters. I’ve had them. I also love supplementing my sumps with “planted” versions of the Aqua Clear HOB filter. I say all filters have their strengths and weaknesses. In the end, every hobbyist should do what works for them in their situation for sure. Great vid.
I’ve used sump and canisters and honestly I love fluval hang on back so much easier to take care of and my water never changes it’s always the same I do once a week water change and everything is healthy
So I used to have a canister filter and either it never worked right or canisters just sucked 20 years ago. For my tanks to be healthy I need flow through media. The only healthy tank I’ve ever had was with a in tank sump. It has baffles and packed full of live rock. This way all my rock gets used for filtering instead of just having a bag of media on the bottom of a compartment in a sump. I don’t like leaks either so I’m moving to a above aquarium sump with plants and baffles. I don’t have a salt tank any more but I used the same in tank with sump built in for fresh water now and it’s a problem free tank that doesn’t leak or make noise. The over tank will make noise but no where near as much as my large aquaponic system. I liked where you were going with this video but it was a little long for me and I wanted to hear more about the canister filter.
I GOT IT!!! Use the canister filter to feed the sump!!!!! No overflow splash down noise with the best of both worlds!!!! Maybe overly complex, twice the cleaning, more points of failure.... ah crap nevermind....
I have long had the same idea with using the canister to run water back to the aquarium and a herbie for silent overflow. Leave the canister empty and it does not need to be serviced. The advantage (besides a silent and powerful motor) is you can take the return out of the sump and put it in the aquarium and clean and service the sump. This could be done as a water change since you need to drain the sump to clean it.
@@Kenney9120 ive never heard of anyone cleaning their sump tho. Wont you kill good bacteria?
@@blacksnakegray2552 I didn't mean to drain it or use cleaners. I meant to remove algae and build up from the surfaces plus cleaning or changing the media as needed just like with any filter. Build up needs to be kept to a minimum.
@@Kenney9120 i knew that you didnt use cleaners. I didnt know how how much you cleaned it. I know that over cleaning can kill some bacteria. But you just got the extra off, gotcha.
Right in the feels today, Jay. Stories of my late father are the only thing that chokes me up. You could start a 2nd channel with just motivational stories and I'd be there front and center. You're awesome!
This means so much
Thanks for the heart felt video, i lost my dad on father's day this year. You helped me realise that its not just me, that tears up talking about thier dad. N thanks for sharing yr life choices. God Bless
Wow! This is the first video i have watched of yours and i am blown away! I wasnt expecting to learn so much about you. I like how real you are and the fact that you teared up was cool and im glad you didnt edit that out. Im a new fan and have to see more! Thank you for the sump vs canister info and the life lesson as well🙏
I am wondering, (and have never read anyone else discussing this) - a sump takes water that is over-flowing from the top surface of the aquarium. A canister filter PULLs water from the CENTER of the water column. Crap & wastes don't float up to the top they sink to the bottom, or get stirred up from fish. Wouldn't then a canister filter be more effective at pulling in the wastes, as the intake pipe is closer to bottom & the wastes moving around?
In fact sumps are meant for marine tanks usually, or at least they were made for that, then lots of ppls started adapting them on stillwater
Greetings from the Uk. I came here as a distraction from sone personal stuff but actually gained an insight away from fishkeeping. Thank you and resoect Jay.
WOW mate what a set up you have. I have just got into the hobby with a fluval roma 125 ltr. I have took off the U3 internal filter and put on fluval 207 canister. My water is crystal and my fish are thriving. I have subbed I like what you have to say.
I agree.. took my sump off yesterday and replaced it with a fx4.. so much nicer and quiter..
great video i was thinking about putting in a sump on my 90 gallon discus aquarium, after seeing this video ill stick with my 2-eheim 2217s. navy seabee retired
I'm with you completely! I am fed up with my sump. When I change my system which I will be doing when I go back to freshwater from salt water I will be using 2 canisters on an African Cichlid tank. The only issue I don't have is the noise issue. Mine is silent.
Stumbled over this. Came for aquarium tips, leaving with life lessons. Good job man. You have another fan for life.
jay i love canister filters.and yes for the most part they are quiet,i hate dripping water sounds.love the video
I have always run a canister of some kind or the other. I had a HOB on my 75 gallon though. I wanted to change either to a sump or canister. Never had a sump, so I did a home build and you are correct, the NOISE is outrageous. The noise from the sump was bad, but the setup is next to my wife's computer and desk and the noise that came from her, complaining about the sump noise was OUTRAGEOUS. So, I wound up buying a fx6. I walk buy sometimes and have to feel the hose to make sure it's on, because it is silent.
LOL
I have fx6s and fx4s and they are quiet but you can make a sump system just as quiet. You have to build your baffles in a certain way, plumb in a certain way and not buy cheap pumps
This was my first video of your that I watched. Thanks for the insperation, and I will be back. Subscribed!!!
Thank you
Wet dry user here. Love it. You do you. Maybe consider sponge filters. They are easier to clean than canisters
Disgusting and ugly plus air pumps are loud.
as long as ur happy after u clean ur canister or sump and ur fish are happy keep on keepen on
It's awesome to see your video..
Totally Agree ..Its a HOBBY and it's how i enjoy doing mine..
Plus your reasoning is absolutely RIGHT about the canister filter 👍
Really loving your content and perspective on the canister vs sump. The hobby almost makes you feel guilty for using them, but sometimes they are more practical. Good for going with what works for you and not being ashamed......
Hey Jay, can I run just two FX6 on a 125 saltwater tank? Would i still need a skimmer?
No skimmer
Shouldni still run the media that they came with? Or just bio spheres, maybe? Thanks again.
Well done Jay, been following you for a few years and love your videos, but this one is one of "the best"... so glad you made this and thanks for sharing.
Thank you so much
I am about to get a 220 Gallon tank and I plan on using two canister filters vs the sump
How did that work out? In the 13 years I have had fish, sumps are for sure #1 but that's if you know how to build it and plump it correctly and what type of fish you are holding..
@rickywoods3101 worked out perfectly fine. Canisters will always be my favorite and sumps 2nd. No matter how you plumb them, they will always be louder than a canister. 😉
@@Jaywil07 I was asking kpsprofile578, but i use canisters as well but my sump setup is just as quiet. I would have to measure the decibels to know which one is actually more quiet .
I'm glad you like the canisters though, canisters for sure are the easiest way to have a quiet setup if you buy the correct canister.
@@Jaywil07 well idk why my comment was deleted, wasn't asking you but I use both in different aquariums but you can get a sump just as quiet or even more quiet.
You have to buy good pumps, plumb overflow correctly, and baffle the sump differently.
If your interested I can explain later, my wife is on me to finish this other sump for the aro/ray tank, so I get it out of the kitchen lol
Hi jay i just wondering how u did the connection from the overflow to the canister
Bulkhead - fx hose to bulk head - metal clamp - attach fix hose to canister and power
Jay Wilson I took your advice and I remove my sump and I replaced for a Fx6
Glad I clicked on your video today man hadn't seen any before and didn't know it'd take that twist but it was an amazing uplifting for me. Thank you
I like canisters, but like my sump that came with an existing setup I bought. It was loud at first and drove me nuts, but I was able to modify it and eliminate the noise so I like it. I'm not going to replace any canisters - I like both.
I’m glad you found a solution. Makes me super happy for you.
Dang I need to be on what you on lol boi geeked
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Love your vibe Jay. Sump trolls can be worse than northfin trolls! It took me a long time to figure out, quiet up, and tune up my sump. That is not the best set up, sumps can be WAY simpler than what you got going on. Canisters are easier for sure, but to truly get your fish nerdery on, one should master sumps....
i just switched my entire fish room to a central air system! most of my large tanks are running matte filters and seven of the tall display tanks are switched to undergravel filters! goin back old school! haha
Undergravel filters may be old school but they are damn efficient...not only that but that area of the tank is low flow so you can harvest a lot of nitrate eating anaerobic bacteria there.
I was just snooping for some built in, back of tankwall overflows, and saw your caption pic. All I could think of, was Loverboy cover, from back in the day.. The pink shorts maybe ? Always good info Jay !
I recently bought a 125 gallon tank, my dream tank that came with a HW 5000 filter with it I was wondering if it was enough or run two canisters? I also have two power heads for circulation.
I prefer 2 canister at all times but that is me
@@Jaywil07 thank you I appreciate that. I've been into this hobby since around 99 started out with a 5 gallon then to a 40 high then a 55 which I have now but brought this 125 going to transfer my gouramis soon and I had a penguin 330 bio wheel for years until I bought my first canister filter a cascade that I think works better. Sorry to talk your ear off.
Great job brother keep doing what you do and I'll keep watching. oh ya where can I get one of those hw5000s
I came to learn about filters and got an inspirational speech! Awesome!
Question for you. So I have PVC pipes coming out the bottom of the tank that was hooked up to a sump. If I connect a cannister to the PVC pipes and I need to clean the canister, how would I stop the water from the tank coming out once I take off the canister
draining the overflow box and getting the water below the weirs
Jay I've already got the twin cannister setup you mentioned. One cheap canister full of sponges and the other with a big pre filter full of sponges before an Oase biomaster thermo 600 with every available space full of seachem matrix. Had a few issues at home lately so neglected water changes for 3 weeks. My water was still crystal clear and water parameters spot on . Even the nitrate tested at only 15ppm. Not bad in an over stocked cichlid tank.
Great video again.
This Guy’s really full of life 😂 loved it thoroughly … good lord bless you and keep you happy like always
Great video man👍🏽
Jay great video. Someone had to say it and you did. Each person needs to do what is best for them and not what the masses say they need to do. Couple of things, 1 is there an estimate on when Northfin will have the flake out? Been waiting awhile for it because the quality will be so much better than what is out there now. And 2 never be sorry for getting emotional, it shows you are human and helps break the stereotype that men can't be emotional. Keep up the great work and look forward to whats to come.
Thanks John hopefully in about 2 weeks retailers will have it.
I had a 29g aquarium I turned into a sump for years it worked amazing but YES I got tired of the gargling sound that’s impossible to stop. I instead for an eheim3 and a sun sun and every few months I fully clean one and put it back and it’s worked for me. Overall I really like the canisters more even though I’m possibly sacrificing a bit of filtering capacity. I do 40% water changes every 2 weeks and my overall routine is easy and enjoyable. Canister filters all the way for me. I’m also 6’7 minus a foot or so. 😊
Hey brother just saw your video it was fantastic thank you for the inspiration.
Anytime
Jay, you need to do a bean animal setup with gate valves that allow you to control flow on the drains...that will silence any noise your getting from the overflow.
If your getting splashing over the filter socks, get an acrylic splash plate or just put a long coarse sponge over the socks...the issues your facing are issues everyone faces...I bought the Trigger 39 Emerald sump because they thought out most of the noise issues in their design.
That said, absolutely nothing wrong with canister filters.. especially that awesome HW5000 from Sunsun. I would venture to say that folks that don't have a massive bio load or have plants in their tank, don't need a sump. Great video!
Thank you so much for your post good stuff!
@@Jaywil07 Your gonna be in Fish Hut of NJ tomorrow after hours?
I love the video i to am a vet who loves aquariums. I love the fact you have your own opinions and of which make sence. Keep up the great vids.
Nothing more relaxing and reassuring than the trickle of a sump! To each his own.
I use a gate valve to control water coming into the sump...dead quiet...no bubbles or gurgling noises. It's a vertical drop from the overflow into the sump with a PVC pipe and a coupler...and then the gate valve. I only hear the return pump, two mp40 power heads and the protein skimmer. Very quiet.
on a 45 gallon with live rock is a canister filter ok instead of a sump? I am not a plummer LOL
Yes it is
I like your attitude & totally agree with your opinion !!
I still use the pumps that you hang on the back or the filters or whatever they're called. I think they've been working pretty well for me and I just have to change the cartridge thing every six months or so.
Awesome!
What's the best canister filter would you recommend Jay??
So I was going to pick up chemi pure, but I’m not sure if I should get the elite , or the blue one , I have a 90 gallon African tank , any suggestions. Thanks. Keep up the great videos man
Blue
Great video. I had similar problems with echo and high ceilings. Only thing that fixed it was covering a piece of wood in that foam and suspending it a foot or two off the ceiling. Even a small 2ft by 2ft board hanging will change everything
Maybe one of your best videos. Love the authentic emotion you portrayed towards the end. Thank you! Keep it real brother! Only way to live!
Love your videos! You are a inspiration to the hobby! I have learned so much from you and your content. So thank you for all that you do!
Great video, I think there is pros and cons to any kind of filtration. It’s all about what works for you.
I agree with you. I run 2 fluval 407s on each of my 90 gallon discus tanks. I use pre filters on all the intakes which I customize my self, saves on filter maintenance. I run the biohome ultimate media and 4 inch sand beds in all my tanks, cut way down on nitrates. I like to keep nitrates at zero if I can. always wanted to try a sump but after watching your video im staying canister filters. great video
Hey bro my local fish store said you can use a hang on fluval filter to use as a little sump can you? I’m going to try it I’m putting de nitrate media and chaeto.
Yes
Jay Wilson thanks bro I was questioning it... by the way I subscribed!
This is the video I needed. I was contemplating getting a sump.
Thank you.
I run 2 FX6s on my 120 and they are quiet and always have crystal clean water. It's too quiet...lol. I am actually going to add Tidal 110 just to get a bit of a water fall effect sound, instantly add Purigen or other chem when needed and add additional flow on a overstocked African Cichlid tank. They just won't stop breeding...lol. My whole family love to watch the fry grow among the adults and how they fend for themselves among the Holley Rock. I will have to get some out of that tank in the next few months for sure.
Subbed. I’m not even running the same kind of tanks but excellent video. I’m coming back for more.
I currently have 2 canister filters on my 125 gallon it works great for me and the fishies
I would like to get in the future a 300+ gallon, hence the interest in a sump
But still going back-and-forth on which would be better for that size of tank a canister or sump?
I agree that you should always pick what works best for you... If you have a setup that you are not happy with then your enjoyment is down and actually lends for crapper maintenance. I personally do not have a sound/noise issue but my sump is fundamentally different in the design and it’s quieter... but they both work well enough that both are suitable systems. keep up the good videos
Nice video... I've been fish keepin for 40 yrs.. you will alway have " know it alls "out there..
Or those who cant think for themselves.. do what works for you.. i have for 40 yrs & its worked for me.. i aint saying i haven't made mistakes or that i haven't learned anythg new.. just saying dont need to follow the crowd..
How much do want for that sump?
And what are the diemitions
A sump with filter socks, fluidized bed and large reservoir is the best. Once a week, just toss the filter socks in the washing machine, drain and refill the reservoir for the water change and you are done. I fill my reservoir with tap water and let the heater warm it up before I turn the pumps back on.
A fluidized bed filter powered by air stones needs minimal maintenance, just make sure the air stones are working properly.
Hey Jay. Good video except for the end. I am a 23 yr. retired USMC. I have done alot of things in my career. When u do something worth any praise, take it in. Be proud of who u r. That mean something. When u have to tell the world about what u have done, it loses something. Just saying. Do good deeds for urself. Be proud of what u have done. No one else needs to give u approval.
This isn’t for approval. But thank you
I prefer hang on back filters. I've had nothing but problems with my marineland c360. Bought a second one to scavenge parts off of. No problems with my 2 aquaclear 110 filters. And a sump is far superior to any other kind of filter.
Very informational and inspirational! Keep it up man!
We find inspiration in some very unlikely places. When I first started watching your video I thought " this dude is a little out there." I did think I was going to find inspiration here I just wanted some others opinions. Man I can't begin to explain how much you actually just helped me. I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. It's been a very tuff year for everyone and I needed your words. Thank you brother! BTW I LOVE SPONGE FILTERS 🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for this. I’m glad this is why I do what I do. ☺️
Im going to go with a canister on my new 120. Problem is that the tank has two corner overflows. They are plugged but i dont know what to do with that dead space.
All noise and complaints aside. That is a pretty cool set up for a sump.
Great video Jay, ive been tossing back on forth on the same issue. Sump or Canister. Just do what "you"-"i" want to do.
Not being an acquarists, or having owned a fancy smancy acquarium, however I did own an old style pump acquarium in the 1970’s, but from your conversation, you probably should use a larger size pump system?
I hate my sump too. And I'm thinking about going to a canister. That dang on overflow just doesn't cut it for me
Are trolls really trolls...or are we being so sensitive to another person's opinions? I was taught take what you can use and the rest leave it where it is. I have done sump, hob, and canister. Canister has been the more enjoyable experience. Less work doing maintenance and more time to just enjoy the tank and it's inhabitants. Great video and content. Keep doing it your way.👍🏾
First time viewer, and got more than I was expecting. I really enjoyed your video & I think you just got a new subscriber!
Yep I did this with my 180 running 2 fx6 and they are silent.
I watch all your videos Jay. This is easily one of my favs
I appreciate it 100%
i used to run an fx4 on my 80 gallon, i found that 2 aquaclear 110 were doing much more for me and easier maintenance , i also am not fan of the false advertising when it comes to the pump flow rate, if you see 700 gph on the box you expect to get it
Thats based on an empty filter. With no media in it. I know what youre saying tho. It would be good to get those numbers with the kedia included tho.
My god man, you're a trip!! Love your attitude .. Keep on keeping on ..
If you had a different sump design it would not be as loud. The only time i hear mine is at night when it is very quiet in the house. As you and others said though its your tank and do what makes you happy, cause nobody on here has to deal with it. Very nice tank design!!
Show me how to properly setup afx6 canister filter . I have a old one and it burbs . The new ones shut off to correct the back pressure then start back up . Appreciate a response and help . Thank you .
Is the HW 5000 pretty quiet?
When I saw you in those shorts all I could think of was Bert Reynolds Play boy center fold in 1979. Keep up the great work, I enjoy your video.
Hahahahaha
New sub here!
I run canisters as well they served me well less hassle in my opinion.
Thank you for your military service!
👍👍Great video loved it.. he'll I love all your videos. Only been in the hobby a year.. I'm still learning & have a whole lot more to learn.. a whole lot more. Thank you.. you are so informative, transparent, inspiring, & positive . Again thank you Jay.
I plan on setting a 55 reef and using a fluval fx6
dude..... great video Subbed!!!
Hit subscribed a while back, liked and commented lol. I've just added a large canister to my first marine tank....you can imagine how that goes down in the reefing community 😂. I don't see an issue as long as you are willing to put in the maintenance.
Hahahahaha thanks buddy
Are you still running a canister for youre reef? Im thinking about doing that.
Love what you had to say my friend and whatever works for you, that's all that matters. Great presentation and it made me laugh. God bless mate and sorry it took 3 years to find this video 😂
These are stocks i have
Lethinops-3
Nyasse yellow peacock-1
Yellow lab -2
Mylandi peacock -1
Yureka red peacock-2
Urnd reef neon blue -2
Red dragon blood -1
Usiya flavescent peacock -3
Flame tail peacock-1
Walteri peacock-1
Taiwan reef -2
They are juvenile at moment how long I can have them 3x2x2 78 gallon
How much do you want for the sump Jay?
Amen brother! Excellent video. Like you I believe in canisters for freshwater tanks. And no you don't to clean them every week!
Killing the pink shorts!!! Love it!!
I can watch your video... impressive. Other sump vids are sooooo boringggg 😴 😂 thanks for the great vid!!
Dude!!!! Sweet Shorts!!!!! Mahalo and Aloha from Maui, Hawaii!!!
What size canister should I use for a salt water 30G ? Thanks
3x the size rated. So one that is rated for a 90 gallon aquarium or 6x the GPH of 30G
How much are you going to sell the sump set up for? I need one for my 150 that is larger then the one I have
Great video 👍👍
This hobby is about doing what works for YOU! Canisters work for YOU! That's all that needs to be said. Well done Jay.
You gotta clean the canisters too.
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Spoken like a sump fanboy!
People just hate when you give and opinion about something lol awesome video bro