Remember when TLOP came out. it was a Tidal exclusive and that lead to TLOP being pirated around 500k cause of that I feel like Vultures 2 will be the same. This idea is really terrible UTOPIA is cheaper than this.
Nah you're missing the point. It's not about that, it ain't about us it's about making a statement & stance against the industry because Kanye is one of the only ones who actually has the ability to do it. plus if 10% of people buy it he'll make more than it would on spotify & make it immediately. he dont care that the rest get it for free cause having it on spotify is effectively free anyway, Im willing to bet the revenue from DSPs wouldn't even be a fraction of what he spent actually making let alone promoting the album. this ain't about the money (although he'll make more this way guarenteed), we all know kanye wants to be special. he wants to be at the front of the inevitable change that's coming to the industry which is good because in the past it's always been the companies that get the jump & that's why artists always get fucked. if the artists lead the charge this time it will be better.
People really acting like buying an album is greedy when that’s how it’s been done for the majority of history. Sure, the 20 dollar price point might be a bit much, but it seems like it’s subject to change which is good. I’d say 5-10 dollars would be a reasonable price considering that it’s digital only, but I’m buying regardless. As a statement, it’s much more powerful for him to sell his music on his own terms instead of relying on the industry to give him play after what it’s done to him. Long term people will understand this as more of a power play than a cash grab. But today Ye is dealing with a generation of entitled zoomers that never bought an album before and want something either for free or at their convenience . The entire premise behind the album is to demonstrate that he is a legendary artist that has no need for the gatekeeping middle-men of the industry trying to control him. No better way to prove that he’s his own man than to own his own music and to profit from its sales directly.
If he releases it on the website I will buy it, I support Ye but if there is a way for him to create a cool platform of his own along with other artists it could be a cool idea. It wouldn't be necessarily easy to achieve but it could still be a cool concept.@@ZALAZA00
I feel that what he is doing is creating a path for small artist to learn how to connect with their fan base. Going back to direct to consumer without getting ripped from labels and streaming platforms. Labels will hold you in contract telling you that you’re music will earn you less than 40% of a split when the revenue comes thru and streaming platforms stream is worth less than half a penny per stream. We are taking what we own back by following in his steps. We as artist need to reconnect with our supporters directly
Exactly. It needs to be normalized for artists to be independent and it needs to be be normalized for a consumer to pay the artist directly. If a smaller artist can sell their album for 3 bucks to 10 000 people for example, that's a win.
Bruh the path already exists its called underground DIY. It's what the majority of artists do but most consumers aren't plugged into any scenes and just consume whatever is mainstream and established. The Ye mentality is massive in underground rock sub genres through bandcamp and the standard, even the soundcloud wave had a DIY direct audience connection. There's a whole world out there aside from major label shit, YE isn't doing anything ground breaking he just wants more money lol
I gotta disagree the independent route is what’s picking up speed right now and the big industry is on hospice. It’s a big shift happening. The artist that have enough pull ( Ye ) to push people in that direction of putting their own music on their device will open the door for sooooo many other artist.
There should be a way to make an album have value again, because right now people see music as free, and it shouldn't be the case because it's a product just like a burger is. I am just not sure a digital album is the way to go. On the other hand streaming brought something really good too: making money from music in perpetuity. When people bought CDs or Vinyls 90% of the revenue was in the first month and then its pretty much gone. Now you have people like Morgan Wallen that sell tens of thousands of units a year after release because of streaming.
Not a bad idea to circumvent piracy by doing cd/ physicals only… but one issue.. As a treat to myself, I ordered JIK cd from ye store.. the only issue is that it took almost 8 months to arrive! I don’t mind waiting a couple weeks.. but a couple months is too long… Especially if it’s the only way to hear the album. So for that reason, I hope there’s a digital download option! I’d support ye! Yeah, he’s a billionaire, but I’d love to see him win again and he’s brought me so much great music 👍
ngl as a music lover, i would pay that 20. ik we all have different lives, problems and ways of living. but im struggling and 20$ ain't shit. im not saying anyone is wrong or right, i don't think this is the best decision for ye but i also see what he's doing fs.
50000 albums at 20 dollars equals 1 million dollars. 3500 streams equal 1 sale. Fuck the consumer. Fans of Ye understand the assignment right now. It's about making a statement. This is not stem player. STOP, it's buying music like on iTunes. Stop .
True but artists fail to think of how many extra fans they get from streaming services due to the fact you can listen to anything. Imagine how many people missed albums back in the day due to not having the funds to buy them all. I've missed out on tons of albums back in the day cause of that.
@marlondavis9450 I don't know what fans your talking about? Maybe the teenage fans. But the fans HIS AGE the MILLENNIALS and Gen X's understand, that's how much albums USED TO COST.
He used Vultures 1 as a sampler for people to trust they can buy Vultures 2 -- plus the exclusivity factor of hearing Vultures 2 will make the album still sell . He's not making a mistake for this tactic . It just hasnt been done yet to prove it. The biggest flaw he may experience is that someone will buy and then pirate share the album , but that wont stop the die hard fans from purchasing
It's not very hard to see that it will simply get pirated. It may make him say 2-3 million dollars. If even that. But he will lose 20-30 million to pirated copies. For most people, it's easier and cheaper to just pirate it.
He acts like a victim all the time. Both him and his fanbase do. He’s in the most privileged and prosperous position most people could ever wish for, yet he still acts like he’s this underdog that gets screwed over by the system 😂
Release a CD album with tickets to a concert and host concerts in every major city that only those who bought the album can go to. The concerts would be smaller in size but more intimate with less people.
This isn't a consumer problem, it's a rap consumer problem. If Taylor Swift or Adele would do the same thing, they'd sell 2M first week. Ye premiered JIK film in IMAX and did 1M, Swift premiered Eras Tour in cinemas and made 261M. Ye is trying to fix a culture problem, not make a lousy 2M for himself, he's tried doing so in various ways now
If you package it with a cassette tape id buy it . I stumbled across my dad's cassette tape collection in our garage man ... Eff streaming straight up. 30 years later you just put that in a deck and bam it just plays no subs no internet nonsense and I can leave it behind for my kids
I know everyone hates Tom Macdonald but thats ALL he does , He gets ppl to actually go to his site and sell's both digital & physical copies , BOOM biggest indie artist in the world rn , over strange & psycopathic , I feel Kanye was onto something with the stem player , Just needs to be rethought & something like that could change the whole music industry.
I do agree with your take of releasing an alternative version of the album, seems like a better way to give more die hard fans a lil extra, without depriving everyone of the original body of work.
His songs can still spread on tiktok, Playboi Carti even has unreleased songs that spread on tiktok. He could probably release his song for free on streaming once it goes viral.
You sound silly, yes they can easily just go and download the album like the download anything else. Artists have to start going direct to maximize return for their craft. People have to stop expecting something from nothing. Thats why music and media in general is where it is today.
I thought it was a good idea when you used to buy a cd and u could download a digital version with it although I never used to use it, good idea a bit b4 it's time 🤷♂️
I dont understand how kanye can look at the amazing nunbers that vultures 1 is doing and think to himself that it'd be a great idea to release the second vultures exclusively on his website. If it aint broke don't fix it, simple as that. Spin back with vultures 2 on streaming and dominate the charts again.
@@lylesrevenge Yeah, it's just greed though, that wouldn't of happened, I mean like he would've made a few mill but it's not like he would've charted & had people still hyped like a month after the album came out. Carnival is topping the charts or #1 for like 5 weeks or some shit, that wouldn't have happened if he kept it exclusively on his website. Just another donda 2, stem player situation.
I see your point but some things are bigger than money. Especially to the artists. Especially it being Kanye. He’s more about a message than what revenue it brings in.
I'm fine with spending 20 on the album. People just making a big deal out of this because people have been spoiled by streaming and not having to spend much for music. I'll drop the money on an artist I really mess with. Kanye being one of them.
Downloading tracks and adding them on your device is an 'inconvenience'... 😕 It will always shock me to witness the laziness of western society. Everybody trying to do the bare minimum. _Wall-E_ legit is a prophecy of the next hundred years.
Just like you said last month nicki destroyed her career but she on her tour which is almost sold out and megan free fell from the charts. I dunno if i can believe what you say on this. 😂 just like so many had no expectations for ye new album and it went number one and now has a number one song. The hate for kanye and nicki is funny but the love their fans show them in real life is what makes these video later just hilarious.
Picture yourself putting in a grueling 25 hours at the drive through window for the week and then you boss tells you that instead of paying you your $8/hr pay they will compensate you with a whopper, fries and coke. Let’s see how you’d feel.
With Ye the focus isn’t really about the money. Its about him saying fucc u to the status quo and doing it his way. If 100k people buy that album for $20, thats $2m. No artist are seeing that except a select few maybe. I think he should create an app and blow that up for everything he has going.
This is the best idea. Bro you broke down both sides with common sense. I tried to say the same thing on IG but it goes against community guidelines. I used to wait in line for CDs.i agree he shouldn’t drop V2 for a couple months. Thought I was the only one that thought like that. It’s a three course meal not fast food.
The consumer is the reason why art has lost its value in the modern age. Ye made the album. Ye owns the rights to the album. Ye can sell the album for however much money he wants. This is a business.
Streaming is killing the entertainment businesses..in music,movies, etc. Fuck streaming..pay the artists for their hardwork if yall love em like yall say yall do
I want to remind yall who might be too young to remember buying music digitally always cost $15 for an album That means $20 today is still below the inflation rate of the past decade
I think you have valid and solid ideas. Only releasing some music from the album to streaming services and releasing the whole body of work in the album it's a good selling strategy
If he puts it on streaming after 2 reaches a million I’d be fine. $20 is a hard sell especially when you want everyone to turn away from streaming services.
I think kanye should just drop more products or even a physical version like you said. Use the music to market abd build hype around it. Look at yourself as a creator and not just a musician. Mr. Beast creates videos and gets paid from that but also uses his videos to promote and sell his feastables his candy bars. Like you said embrace the tech instead of fighting it
I don’t think it’s a bad idea. It’ll limit the album for sure but if he sells it off his website it’ll for sure get sales. Especially if it comes with a shirt or something. Daylyt said this back in 2018 I believe and his album moved like 100k copies. It’s possible. Streaming sites are unfair to artist and trapped consumers into paying $9.99 for the rest of their lives.
It is too high of a price, but the downfall of Spotify needs to start somehow. Spotify has been getting away with exploiting artists for way too long now. If you live the music, you’d pay for it. Not some greedy middleman who takes most of the money
I like discussion like these What if yeah sold the album but instead only on vinyl? I know it will severely diminishing the reach of the album but if your just about the money selling just 1000 vinyl's for lets say 50 each is 50,000 while getting a million streams on a song is 4000 which is freaking insane! Since Kanye is already a superstar I feel like this is much easier for him then most.
Don’t ignore the GIANT fact that these streaming services don’t give a single fuck about artists except for how much money their art can make for them…
No matter what ye do, people gone buy. Piracy didn’t stop his catalog. Nip dropped a mixtape for $100 and went gold. Ye got a whole 3 generations of fans who will buy poopity scoop.
@@ivyfilms9032 with tax? Idk about that I remember I bought my sister Backstreets boys "Millennium" CD for her bday, that was at least 21 bucks. That was in 1998 when FYE was around
1st, I respect that Ye is putting a value on his craft. He should sell both volumes 2 and 3 as vinyl especially after the rollout issue he had with these streaming platforms. Number 2, Ye is moving just for the controversy atp. Like let’s keep it a stack. He’s pushing back on the music industry wanting more money for his music but just 2 weeks ago he said he wants to mark down clothes and shoes only charging his consumers $20 to make it affordable seemingly pushing back on the high priced luxury retail industry and because it’s not about the money. I’m just trying to see where he’s drawing the line in the sand because he seems to be pouring water on the line and redrawing it every time.
You “respect” that a hard working man wants to be fairly compensated for the work he performed? It has noting to do with that. If you put in your 40 hrs for the week you expect to get paid. These people create sounds that stir emotions and influence generations. It’s not just a toddler in the kitchen banging a spatula on the pots.
You have to look at the demographic of hip hop/rap listeners. Majority are poor and are used to living off the system. Getting everything handed to them for free. The artists put there soul into each project. You don’t just shit out gold in 5 minutes. Their efforts should be compensated. You think Kanye cares about all scum that pirate everything? Taking out the middle man and selling direct to the consumer is huge in terms of profit margin. What he’s doing is business 101.
Albums cost money to make but, then streaming has turned the music into an advert to go sell something else. There's no money primarily in music. The music is an advert for Merch, shows and anything product that you wanna sell.
Kanye could make a retail store in every major city or at least three starting off. That way he could have his own brand of stuff sell everything out of there and every time you puts out a new project all the fans can line up there to go get it.
For $20 it needs to be a vinyl. Release on streaming services and release the vinyl to go out 1st week. No one wants to spend money a gamble, let people hear what the music sounds like then they’ll buy the vinyl. Very few people will be willing to pay that much for the files only, it’s got to be the whole package
6:50 ye already has been doing this. Donda 2 was on stem. He just made it into a product (stem player). Now he is dropping the extra music on his website for $20. He's just tryna communicate the product.
Ye needs an app. And the $20 needs to go for more than just the album like additional unreleased music or additional content. We need to feel like we're getting a deal
Ye and Drake should stop beefing and link up with other artists to create a new platform that is fair for artist. Imagine two of the biggest artists and other artists like Travis and Carti shift and exclusively have their new music on their new streaming platform.
His working backwards. Even if he pull off, won't be on a consistent base. Look what happened to Prince. This reminds me of the south park episode about mp3 I mean yeah he is eating off his legacy apart from that, no new or indie can pull that off.
I think Ye is against the concept of streaming, and wants to go against the idea that music free, he wants to lead and want other artists to see that streaming isnt the way. The problem is that the current infrastructure isnt built for this whole other system that Ye and James Blake might envision. Streaming is tied to capitalism, it will not be easy to force capitalism to have a different shape, you would need political support for that or convince corporations that there is more money to be made with a different system. The thing is that big labels aren't needed that much anymore in the age of the internet, labels have some type of control through streaming services. Hopefully all artist will be independent one day.
Most people pay $120 a year for life to the streaming companies. Mind you, you dont own any of the music. I dont understand why $20 one time is a bad move. You dont have to worry about a song being removed. You own it
But then again you own the *LOCAL ACCESS FILES* to the music as well. This isn’t an issue Kanye can solve alone, like stumping up to a *goliath* like Spotify is a very momentous task. Which would make Kanye the *”david”* in this case.
The problem is that once vultures 2 releases that’s $20 then vultures 3, again $20 then other artists, people aren’t gonna continuously pay money for albums, when there is a cheaper and better alternative, for the consumer, STREAMING!!
Half of the creators on UA-cam wouldn't have anything to talk about if they banned Tik Tok. They would actually have to create content instead of doing response videos.
Cant believe the so called fams domt want to buy the art i.e the album for $20. Why should srtists give away the music on streaming playforms and get paid pennies?
@@FunnyTummyARThe did this with TLOP Made it a tidal exclusive which lead to it being pirated a lot I wouldn't blame people who will do the same for Vultures 2
I'm pretty sure he had another talk with some Italian news handle on Instagram and they were giving him ideas about a yzy app and ye was disagreeing with putting it exclusively so this news is kinda outdated, y'all just gotta wait till Friday, he'll probably release it on streaming some day
Really isn’t bad, fuck streaming services that isn’t the only way, and Kanye is trying to break that and free us from it why can’t u see it. support the right.
I would gladly play $40+ for a viynl but there's absolutely no way I'm spending anything more than $5 for a digital file I could rip in 30 seconds
Because you don't value music.
Remember when TLOP came out. it was a Tidal exclusive
and that lead to TLOP being pirated around 500k cause of that
I feel like Vultures 2 will be the same. This idea is really terrible
UTOPIA is cheaper than this.
Why are people okay to pirate but not support?
@@FunnyTummyART😂😂😂 welcome to earth.
@FunnyTummyART you bring it on yourself with scummy practice. If it's practical I'd be happy to support
Nah you're missing the point. It's not about that, it ain't about us it's about making a statement & stance against the industry because Kanye is one of the only ones who actually has the ability to do it.
plus if 10% of people buy it he'll make more than it would on spotify & make it immediately. he dont care that the rest get it for free cause having it on spotify is effectively free anyway, Im willing to bet the revenue from DSPs wouldn't even be a fraction of what he spent actually making let alone promoting the album. this ain't about the money (although he'll make more this way guarenteed), we all know kanye wants to be special. he wants to be at the front of the inevitable change that's coming to the industry which is good because in the past it's always been the companies that get the jump & that's why artists always get fucked. if the artists lead the charge this time it will be better.
@@darkskinwhiteIm sticking to pirating.
Thank you
Nah $20 and not even a physical CD is insulting and greedy
Just make it 9.99 or 5.99
@KamiAnimeS1 he should of just had a Digital version, cd version and a Viynl and made it all 20 like he did with the clothes and change it later
@@Juline1221if you ran the business, yeezy would go bankrupt after that.
How is $20 an insult he’s selling his art for what he thinks it’s worth, yall don’t see music as art and that’s why music is so trash nowadays
The digital version of Vultures 1 was $5, it's probably be the same for Vultures 2
Ye exiled yesjulz 🤣🤣🤣
Yall need to support artist ideas because this can be a game changer especially if the artist includes incentives
Dog: Hell Nah!!!
Every idea isn't a good one just cause you like what a person creates or created in the past..
Exactly..streaming doesn't get these artists paid
I don't have to support nothing if I want to
What's next?. Vultures 3 is gonna be a PlayStation exclusive
If the technology he's fighting against is paying pennies on the dollar, then that's a fight worth fighting
People really acting like buying an album is greedy when that’s how it’s been done for the majority of history. Sure, the 20 dollar price point might be a bit much, but it seems like it’s subject to change which is good. I’d say 5-10 dollars would be a reasonable price considering that it’s digital only, but I’m buying regardless. As a statement, it’s much more powerful for him to sell his music on his own terms instead of relying on the industry to give him play after what it’s done to him. Long term people will understand this as more of a power play than a cash grab. But today Ye is dealing with a generation of entitled zoomers that never bought an album before and want something either for free or at their convenience . The entire premise behind the album is to demonstrate that he is a legendary artist that has no need for the gatekeeping middle-men of the industry trying to control him. No better way to prove that he’s his own man than to own his own music and to profit from its sales directly.
VERY well said 💯💯💯
5-10 is less then you payed for digital music 10 years ago
If even only 100,000 people buy like you said, that’s 2 million dollars
- commission
- taxes
He will ease around 750k
@@aezakmi047no way! His account staff would not let that happen! Max $250k
@@aezakmi047bros already rich I think it’s more about the impact he gets with out utilizing streaming platforms
i think, new platforms will come up
they are interested to take big piece of pie :)
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I think it would be interesting to see him build a simple streaming app. Especially if he had a catalog of artists or exclusive collaborations.
A app is so much more intuitive and simple to use than a website.
MAKES NO SENSE
y'all will say anything, just support the man, y'all able to buy 20$ socks but not albums ?
@@ZALAZA00$20 socks i can PHYSICALLY wear. Not with a digital album. I bet all your socks have holes in 'em!
If he releases it on the website I will buy it, I support Ye but if there is a way for him to create a cool platform of his own along with other artists it could be a cool idea. It wouldn't be necessarily easy to achieve but it could still be a cool concept.@@ZALAZA00
I feel that what he is doing is creating a path for small artist to learn how to connect with their fan base. Going back to direct to consumer without getting ripped from labels and streaming platforms. Labels will hold you in contract telling you that you’re music will earn you less than 40% of a split when the revenue comes thru and streaming platforms stream is worth less than half a penny per stream. We are taking what we own back by following in his steps. We as artist need to reconnect with our supporters directly
Exactly. It needs to be normalized for artists to be independent and it needs to be be normalized for a consumer to pay the artist directly. If a smaller artist can sell their album for 3 bucks to 10 000 people for example, that's a win.
Bruh the path already exists its called underground DIY. It's what the majority of artists do but most consumers aren't plugged into any scenes and just consume whatever is mainstream and established. The Ye mentality is massive in underground rock sub genres through bandcamp and the standard, even the soundcloud wave had a DIY direct audience connection. There's a whole world out there aside from major label shit, YE isn't doing anything ground breaking he just wants more money lol
I gotta disagree the independent route is what’s picking up speed right now and the big industry is on hospice. It’s a big shift happening.
The artist that have enough pull ( Ye ) to push people in that direction of putting their own music on their device will open the door for sooooo many other artist.
There should be a way to make an album have value again, because right now people see music as free, and it shouldn't be the case because it's a product just like a burger is. I am just not sure a digital album is the way to go.
On the other hand streaming brought something really good too: making money from music in perpetuity. When people bought CDs or Vinyls 90% of the revenue was in the first month and then its pretty much gone. Now you have people like Morgan Wallen that sell tens of thousands of units a year after release because of streaming.
Yall acting like Donda 2 wasnt 100 dollars with his music device that came with it. A Temu music device
100? 200 dollars fam.
Definitely wasn’t a temu device. The stem player is really cool and functional. You can upload any song to It
Not temu 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Another solution may be to not put the full album on streaming services. You could have like 3-5 songs for hype.
Agree
This is an amazing idea
YE standing on Business
😂😂😂 standing on y'all money.
❤bidness is bihness
Hes gonna be standing on nothing bc like 10 people are actually gonna buy the album and everyone else is gonna pirate it
hes not gonna peg you bro
Not a bad idea to circumvent piracy by doing cd/ physicals only… but one issue.. As a treat to myself, I ordered JIK cd from ye store.. the only issue is that it took almost 8 months to arrive! I don’t mind waiting a couple weeks.. but a couple months is too long… Especially if it’s the only way to hear the album. So for that reason, I hope there’s a digital download option! I’d support ye! Yeah, he’s a billionaire, but I’d love to see him win again and he’s brought me so much great music 👍
I’d pay for a $5-10 on iTunes that I can conveniently listen to, but nobody paying $20 to listen to it through some random website
This is one of the dumbest examples from a society of people who expect more for less. “Me buying Ye’s album feels like a donation” bro you bugging.
ngl as a music lover, i would pay that 20. ik we all have different lives, problems and ways of living. but im struggling and 20$ ain't shit.
im not saying anyone is wrong or right, i don't think this is the best decision for ye but i also see what he's doing fs.
50000 albums at 20 dollars equals 1 million dollars. 3500 streams equal 1 sale. Fuck the consumer. Fans of Ye understand the assignment right now. It's about making a statement. This is not stem player. STOP, it's buying music like on iTunes. Stop .
The fans I’ve been seeing don’t like that idea bruh. You’ve probably been talking about those ye zealots
I agree
True but artists fail to think of how many extra fans they get from streaming services due to the fact you can listen to anything. Imagine how many people missed albums back in the day due to not having the funds to buy them all. I've missed out on tons of albums back in the day cause of that.
A consumer saying fuck the consumer, you're a true peon.
@marlondavis9450 I don't know what fans your talking about? Maybe the teenage fans. But the fans HIS AGE the MILLENNIALS and Gen X's understand, that's how much albums USED TO COST.
man someone send this video to ye. yassine spittin rn fr
He used Vultures 1 as a sampler for people to trust they can buy Vultures 2 -- plus the exclusivity factor of hearing Vultures 2 will make the album still sell . He's not making a mistake for this tactic . It just hasnt been done yet to prove it. The biggest flaw he may experience is that someone will buy and then pirate share the album , but that wont stop the die hard fans from purchasing
It’s not a sampler for anything, people streamed vultures 1.
@@HYextrasometimes you give clone vibes lol
It's not very hard to see that it will simply get pirated. It may make him say 2-3 million dollars. If even that. But he will lose 20-30 million to pirated copies. For most people, it's easier and cheaper to just pirate it.
THIS is the biggest issue Ye will face, and a point Yassine should have stuck with. Very good point@@okokokokokokokokokokokokokok00
@@ehlohimwhil5762😂😂😂 Ye? You meant Kanye. Only tools call him ye.
Kanye west saying he's raped by music services when he's no1 it's utter disrespect for me as a fan.
He acts like a victim all the time. Both him and his fanbase do. He’s in the most privileged and prosperous position most people could ever wish for, yet he still acts like he’s this underdog that gets screwed over by the system 😂
@@smaaron_j_46and ppl cant stop consooming this poopoo to try and fit in
I think of it as the same was as "I am donating to this person because I like what they do and the money is going mostly to them"
Release a CD album with tickets to a concert and host concerts in every major city that only those who bought the album can go to. The concerts would be smaller in size but more intimate with less people.
Anyone wanting music for free or for fraction of price of the physical versions is part of the problem Ye fights agains.
He got vultures 3 coming out next month too!
This isn't a consumer problem, it's a rap consumer problem. If Taylor Swift or Adele would do the same thing, they'd sell 2M first week. Ye premiered JIK film in IMAX and did 1M, Swift premiered Eras Tour in cinemas and made 261M. Ye is trying to fix a culture problem, not make a lousy 2M for himself, he's tried doing so in various ways now
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Vultures 1 was $5, and only recently changed to $20. If its $5 again I dont see how thats too big of a price.
If you package it with a cassette tape id buy it . I stumbled across my dad's cassette tape collection in our garage man ... Eff streaming straight up. 30 years later you just put that in a deck and bam it just plays no subs no internet nonsense and I can leave it behind for my kids
I know everyone hates Tom Macdonald but thats ALL he does , He gets ppl to actually go to his site and sell's both digital & physical copies , BOOM biggest indie artist in the world rn , over strange & psycopathic , I feel Kanye was onto something with the stem player , Just needs to be rethought & something like that could change the whole music industry.
All ye need to do is put it on cd format. Package it with autographs and memorabilia. They can burn the cd and download the cd.
I agree with you. Fans will still buy the vinyl and CD even if it's on all streaming platforms
I don’t think he really cares about anything but proving a point and keeping his word
he should price it for 4,99 and thats a rep, people are paying an OF 5$ subscription and thats only from weirdos
Hé doesn’t realize we’re past the point of buying music it’s gonna get pirated😂
It lowkey worked for donda 2 but it was trash
I do agree with your take of releasing an alternative version of the album, seems like a better way to give more die hard fans a lil extra, without depriving everyone of the original body of work.
His songs can still spread on tiktok, Playboi Carti even has unreleased songs that spread on tiktok. He could probably release his song for free on streaming once it goes viral.
YASSINE is right I would def pay for an album with extras 💿💯💯💯
You sound silly, yes they can easily just go and download the album like the download anything else. Artists have to start going direct to maximize return for their craft. People have to stop expecting something from nothing. Thats why music and media in general is where it is today.
NIPSEY SOLD A ALBUM FOR $100
^^how soon people forget! And sold out too
I thought it was a good idea when you used to buy a cd and u could download a digital version with it although I never used to use it, good idea a bit b4 it's time 🤷♂️
I dont understand how kanye can look at the amazing nunbers that vultures 1 is doing and think to himself that it'd be a great idea to release the second vultures exclusively on his website.
If it aint broke don't fix it, simple as that.
Spin back with vultures 2 on streaming and dominate the charts again.
On the flip side he probably saw the amazing numbers and pondered how much he could’ve made had it all been exclusive to himself
@@lylesrevenge Yeah, it's just greed though, that wouldn't of happened, I mean like he would've made a few mill but it's not like he would've charted & had people still hyped like a month after the album came out.
Carnival is topping the charts or #1 for like 5 weeks or some shit, that wouldn't have happened if he kept it exclusively on his website.
Just another donda 2, stem player situation.
I see your point but some things are bigger than money. Especially to the artists. Especially it being Kanye. He’s more about a message than what revenue it brings in.
I'm fine with spending 20 on the album. People just making a big deal out of this because people have been spoiled by streaming and not having to spend much for music. I'll drop the money on an artist I really mess with. Kanye being one of them.
Respect the process, kanye knows what he's doing....
Downloading tracks and adding them on your device is an 'inconvenience'... 😕
It will always shock me to witness the laziness of western society. Everybody trying to do the bare minimum.
_Wall-E_ legit is a prophecy of the next hundred years.
Just like you said last month nicki destroyed her career but she on her tour which is almost sold out and megan free fell from the charts. I dunno if i can believe what you say on this. 😂 just like so many had no expectations for ye new album and it went number one and now has a number one song. The hate for kanye and nicki is funny but the love their fans show them in real life is what makes these video later just hilarious.
I never said that, you just totally made that up. Obviously Nicki would tour better than Meg lol.
Picture yourself putting in a grueling 25 hours at the drive through window for the week and then you boss tells you that instead of paying you your $8/hr pay they will compensate you with a whopper, fries and coke. Let’s see how you’d feel.
My only push back is I wish there was a cd coming with the digital download. Other than that, artists charge what you want!
It’ll be in his website for like week then hit streaming watch at the end it’ll be good marketing
Ikr. I just make music for free. I don't need money.
With Ye the focus isn’t really about the money. Its about him saying fucc u to the status quo and doing it his way. If 100k people buy that album for $20, thats $2m. No artist are seeing that except a select few maybe. I think he should create an app and blow that up for everything he has going.
This is the best idea. Bro you broke down both sides with common sense. I tried to say the same thing on IG but it goes against community guidelines. I used to wait in line for CDs.i agree he shouldn’t drop V2 for a couple months. Thought I was the only one that thought like that. It’s a three course meal not fast food.
The consumer is the reason why art has lost its value in the modern age.
Ye made the album. Ye owns the rights to the album. Ye can sell the album for however much money he wants. This is a business.
Streaming is killing the entertainment businesses..in music,movies, etc. Fuck streaming..pay the artists for their hardwork if yall love em like yall say yall do
I want to remind yall who might be too young to remember buying music digitally always cost $15 for an album
That means $20 today is still below the inflation rate of the past decade
I think you have valid and solid ideas. Only releasing some music from the album to streaming services and releasing the whole body of work in the album it's a good selling strategy
If he puts it on streaming after 2 reaches a million I’d be fine. $20 is a hard sell especially when you want everyone to turn away from streaming services.
Only way I pay for a 20 dollar album is if it's a cd.
I think kanye should just drop more products or even a physical version like you said. Use the music to market abd build hype around it. Look at yourself as a creator and not just a musician. Mr. Beast creates videos and gets paid from that but also uses his videos to promote and sell his feastables his candy bars. Like you said embrace the tech instead of fighting it
I agree with Kanye . $20 bucks isn’t bad anyone saying otherwise is wrong and just don’t buy it.
He’s made a million mistakes. Yet he seems unstoppable
I don’t think it’s a bad idea. It’ll limit the album for sure but if he sells it off his website it’ll for sure get sales. Especially if it comes with a shirt or something. Daylyt said this back in 2018 I believe and his album moved like 100k copies. It’s possible. Streaming sites are unfair to artist and trapped consumers into paying $9.99 for the rest of their lives.
It is too high of a price, but the downfall of Spotify needs to start somehow. Spotify has been getting away with exploiting artists for way too long now. If you live the music, you’d pay for it. Not some greedy middleman who takes most of the money
I like discussion like these What if yeah sold the album but instead only on vinyl? I know it will severely diminishing the reach of the album but if your just about the money selling just 1000 vinyl's for lets say 50 each is 50,000 while getting a million streams on a song is 4000 which is freaking insane! Since Kanye is already a superstar I feel like this is much easier for him then most.
Don’t ignore the GIANT fact that these streaming services don’t give a single fuck about artists except for how much money their art can make for them…
No matter what ye do, people gone buy. Piracy didn’t stop his catalog. Nip dropped a mixtape for $100 and went gold. Ye got a whole 3 generations of fans who will buy poopity scoop.
Wasnt 20 dollars like the norm, for paying for an album anyway? The deluxe CD's were at least 30-50 bucks somtimes more depending on the artist/band
Try $12-$16
@@ivyfilms9032 with tax? Idk about that I remember I bought my sister Backstreets boys "Millennium" CD for her bday, that was at least 21 bucks. That was in 1998 when FYE was around
remember when people just worried about making the best music they could.
Great ideas bro, Ye needs to hear these man!
IM COPPING THE ALBUM!!!!
Just like with Donda 2, it will be a bad move again
Sell it digitally 2 weeks before you put it on streaming, that's what Roc Marciano does and it has worked for him as an underground artist
1st, I respect that Ye is putting a value on his craft. He should sell both volumes 2 and 3 as vinyl especially after the rollout issue he had with these streaming platforms. Number 2, Ye is moving just for the controversy atp. Like let’s keep it a stack. He’s pushing back on the music industry wanting more money for his music but just 2 weeks ago he said he wants to mark down clothes and shoes only charging his consumers $20 to make it affordable seemingly pushing back on the high priced luxury retail industry and because it’s not about the money. I’m just trying to see where he’s drawing the line in the sand because he seems to be pouring water on the line and redrawing it every time.
You “respect” that a hard working man wants to be fairly compensated for the work he performed? It has noting to do with that. If you put in your 40 hrs for the week you expect to get paid. These people create sounds that stir emotions and influence generations. It’s not just a toddler in the kitchen banging a spatula on the pots.
@@LARSENBISQUITS I’m sorry… what was your point?
You have to look at the demographic of hip hop/rap listeners. Majority are poor and are used to living off the system. Getting everything handed to them for free. The artists put there soul into each project. You don’t just shit out gold in 5 minutes. Their efforts should be compensated. You think Kanye cares about all scum that pirate everything? Taking out the middle man and selling direct to the consumer is huge in terms of profit margin. What he’s doing is business 101.
$1/song would be more fair, and even then, you'd have to throw in a physical bonus of some sort. HY threw out a lot of great ideas here
Albums cost money to make but, then streaming has turned the music into an advert to go sell something else. There's no money primarily in music. The music is an advert for Merch, shows and anything product that you wanna sell.
Kanye could make a retail store in every major city or at least three starting off. That way he could have his own brand of stuff sell everything out of there and every time you puts out a new project all the fans can line up there to go get it.
Uh...we're here.
May not be a physical copy, but these utube streets allow for..nuff said
For $20 it needs to be a vinyl. Release on streaming services and release the vinyl to go out 1st week. No one wants to spend money a gamble, let people hear what the music sounds like then they’ll buy the vinyl. Very few people will be willing to pay that much for the files only, it’s got to be the whole package
to be fair he is exploring better options
6:50 ye already has been doing this. Donda 2 was on stem. He just made it into a product (stem player). Now he is dropping the extra music on his website for $20. He's just tryna communicate the product.
cause look at gaga
The real 1s will popout YE COOKING!
Ye needs an app. And the $20 needs to go for more than just the album like additional unreleased music or additional content. We need to feel like we're getting a deal
He can sell it for whatever he wants 😂
Bro these Kanye fans are so pathetic 😂
Ye and Drake should stop beefing and link up with other artists to create a new platform that is fair for artist. Imagine two of the biggest artists and other artists like Travis and Carti shift and exclusively have their new music on their new streaming platform.
That thumbnail…
His working backwards. Even if he pull off, won't be on a consistent base. Look what happened to Prince. This reminds me of the south park episode about mp3 I mean yeah he is eating off his legacy apart from that, no new or indie can pull that off.
I think Ye is against the concept of streaming, and wants to go against the idea that music free, he wants to lead and want other artists to see that streaming isnt the way. The problem is that the current infrastructure isnt built for this whole other system that Ye and James Blake might envision. Streaming is tied to capitalism, it will not be easy to force capitalism to have a different shape, you would need political support for that or convince corporations that there is more money to be made with a different system. The thing is that big labels aren't needed that much anymore in the age of the internet, labels have some type of control through streaming services. Hopefully all artist will be independent one day.
Y’all always wanna tell Kanye how to be Kanye and it blows me
No he not. We the fans gone buy it
Most people pay $120 a year for life to the streaming companies. Mind you, you dont own any of the music. I dont understand why $20 one time is a bad move. You dont have to worry about a song being removed. You own it
But then again you own the *LOCAL ACCESS FILES* to the music as well. This isn’t an issue Kanye can solve alone, like stumping up to a *goliath* like Spotify is a very momentous task. Which would make Kanye the *”david”* in this case.
I bought vol1 for 5 but 20 is too much.
The problem is that once vultures 2 releases that’s $20 then vultures 3, again $20 then other artists, people aren’t gonna continuously pay money for albums, when there is a cheaper and better alternative, for the consumer, STREAMING!!
Streaming isn't better tho. Worse quality, and you don't own the music you only rent it.
“Several months” 👎
Hopefully they ban tiktok
please thatd be so good for us
Same here
@@blxxdbvrn it’s actually making kids dumb.
@@ADHD_Lothario Legit, just the fact that attention spans went down to the low is horrible for society.
Half of the creators on UA-cam wouldn't have anything to talk about if they banned Tik Tok. They would actually have to create content instead of doing response videos.
Cant believe the so called fams domt want to buy the art i.e the album for $20. Why should srtists give away the music on streaming playforms and get paid pennies?
He is not getting paid pennies, he is making a lot, especially since he is independent.
@@HYextra he is still getting paid pennies for every play. Why should he have to get paid pennies for his hard work?
@@FunnyTummyARThe did this with TLOP
Made it a tidal exclusive which lead to it being pirated a lot
I wouldn't blame people who will do the same for Vultures 2
I was typing a comment but You ended up saying what I was typing in the 2nd half of the Video.
I'm pretty sure he had another talk with some Italian news handle on Instagram and they were giving him ideas about a yzy app and ye was disagreeing with putting it exclusively so this news is kinda outdated, y'all just gotta wait till Friday, he'll probably release it on streaming some day
He said he is "digesting every idea"
Really isn’t bad, fuck streaming services that isn’t the only way, and Kanye is trying to break that and free us from it why can’t u see it. support the right.