Same here, I think there's a lot of overlap there. It seems like there's always an Fi behind the Ti and Ti behind the Fi. The main difference I've noticed (at least for me) is that I'm aware of Ti in the form of thoughts but am not able to articulate that in a Ti way "extrovertedly". We basically use a different language to describe the same things. Listening to Ti's is like listening to my inner voice
The intro tho 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I appreciate the honesty: welcome to dave's bullshit! It really makes sense for me since I spent a decade to understand relationships from alllll perspectivrs and I ended up with the conclusion that noth is logical or makes sense in relationship... you do your best and leave it between God's hands. The issue is that matters of heart are subject of change and they are affected by external circumstances as well as personal growth.... I appreciate the tips and I believe that all of these things are the right steps to have and maintain a relationship. But it simply needs TWO people who are willing to carry that rock and integrate their shadow it is a lot of work! Good luck for everyone though ❤❤ P.s: btw I have this question concerning females with masculine functions like I am an intj and I was always attraced to guys with feminine functions bcz they give me a sense of security (enfjs precisely) but at the end, like deep inside the female me there is this longing for a more masculine presence even my vulnerable side cannot come out unless my male partner shows me their masculine side. So, according to OPs what energy should I go for cause I feel like I will never be able to settle. I am trying to work more on my feminine energy bcz thats what I can control. Thanks a lot!
Masculine / feminine functions or modalities don't necessarily map on to what is considered masculine or feminine culturally. Could easily have a FF guy or gal that's quite masculine for example. So I think OP or someone's type might not be as much of a factor in that case. Maybe its worth it to keep looking with an open-mind towards type and when it feels right, it feels right. My 2 cents anyway :)
@@daveofallpeople thank you for the reply. It is true thay these functions may differ from a culture to another but there are certain aspects that are universal I suppose. I am talking about these functions In the sense of being more a dominant or active (taking initiatives, taking risks, taking control over matters etc.) Vs being passive and submessive in the relationship. The first impression can be tricky though but I guess you speak about reaching a level of self-awareness and maturity that helps you determine if it's right or not. Thanks again !
@@daveofallpeopleGreat to hear. Will definitely wait on that. Also you have any advice on what exactly works best for an ISTP to better focus on our work? I find myself getting distracted very easily.
@@abhijayjaiprakash Don't know if there would be advice specifically to ISTPs. But I'll tell you what I do. For me to be able to focus (have ADHD so its quite difficult most of the time) I have to keep myself pretty healthy. I need all the dopamine sensitivity I can get in a sense. If I'm not sleeping well or partying too much, I'm screwed basically. Other than health, I don't force myself to focus on tasks for longer than what comes easy. So I let myself be distracted and just come back to the thing when I'm ready. The more willpower I try to use to keep myself on task, the harder it is to actually stay focused and I burn out very quickly. The hardest thing for me is to get started, so I just focus on some really tiny thats super easy and just do that to get my foot in the door. But even then, I dont ever pressure myself to finish or even commit to doing the task. I make an intention in the morning and see what happens. I find the less I pressure myself the easier it is for me to get things done and to be able to focus on things. I think there's an emotional component also involved in staying focused and that's something I'm exploring now. Maybe I'll make a video for that one day if I figure it out. Anyway, hope that helps!
@@daveofallpeoplelooking forward to next ISTP videos as a fellow ISTP! You are the most relatable ISTP on YT along with Mara. I stumbled upon you on Joyce Meng's interview :)
I was belly laughing when you tried saying that idiom again a little before 25:00. I hope I can interact with an ISTP like you one day, you’re very entertaining and I love the rambling, very endearing. Everything you said makes tons of sense and was very interesting. With love, ENFJ fan :)
Okay, so I honestly never would have thought of aligning my Di with others (even in my friendships). This probably explains a lot of conflicts and misalignments I (publicly) experience 🤡 Thank you for helping this SF last 🙏🏾
What people mistake about picking a partner that you feel attracted to looks wise is that looks apart from health also indicate personality. Most people in the world are not aware of it, but there is some correlation between looks and personality. I'm glad that OPS (although I do not agree with all of it) also noticed there are correlations between looks and personality. So if you go after hte looks you specify you _personally, somehow_ find attractive (which indicate personality) more than objective beauty standards (As they say less about personality) then by letting your attraction guide you, it's going to help you in the long run to not go against it, just as your instincts will tell you that eating sand is not as healthy for you as eating an apple. Ever since I was young I've found certain _particular_ looks attractive and others not and I do not mean super stereotypical ones. I quite quickly realized it was a pattern when I was younger, cause I tend to see everything humans as patterns almost by default. (I guess FE+NE). However, after knowing about typology, I also found out that it's most often the types I'm into (Fe doms) that often have these particular specific physical characteristics that I'm interested in. For example, I find that Fe types more often seem to be dark haired, somewhat darker skinned with dark with dark eyes, whereas Ti's tend to be pale, often lighter eyes, kind dead tired eyes. You might think this relates purely to race then, but at least in theory it's not. Especially in mixed race couples you can see that if for example one parent is black and one white, the kids will have varying degrees of of shades although in theory they are all literally half black in race. However it's likely the Fe dominant one is gonna be darker than the Ti dominant one, in both skin, eyes and such (although not a certainty). Also, even if some races have higher degrees of certain types than others, it would not at all surprising since we all evolved on different locations where different survival strategies worked better. The idea that this should be the same is more ideological thinking rather then realistic thinking. Extraverts typically gonna be darker than introverts and tend to be somewhat more wide in build and face than introverts. Sensors on the other hand tend to have have more naturally athletic bodies more often even though they do not work out or even try to do anything physical. People's skills and interests often are overlapping too for a reason, just as as if a hammer had a personality it would likely want to ' hammer' things and it would likely be good at it too. About the numbers game I absolutely agree. The best match can be found using a higher number. It's absolutely logical. I feel though if you have enough or maybe a lot of experience chatting with people online in text, that this over time helps you read them without even having to meet them. However, if you hardly talk to unfamiliar people online, then I do not think you can likely read them that well..I use to be on some chat sites ever since i was like 15 year old, so that helped to over time read between the lines more when it comes to unfamiliar people and figuring out the personality based on just plain text. Now just a few generic lines already give me an impression. Its certainly not better than meeting in real life, but you can simply go through more numbers if you also talk to people in chat in my view. Another important one is that , the more you _need_ to ' work' on your relationship, the less naturally they fit you and it only implies you made the wrong choice. This does not mean yo should now immediately divorce them after maybe 10 years of marriage, but it would be better if you picked a more compatible person in the first place. The thing is that life is eventually going to throw big problems at you. You will get older, you will get health complaints or whatever, people will die, you may have money issues. Who knows what's coming. It's sure that you will also face issues like that in your life and if you already need help to just make a relationship work withhout actual problems, then how are you going to face actual problems together when you actually get them?
Love the calm double observing here man, really chill. Also, don't disagree with what you're saying, but my partners often do :D I wonder if that means it only works for us :D
ok I'm only 7 minutes in but THANK ALL THAT's HOLY for saying attraction is necessary! I feel that's a given but I come across a lot of people who think that being attracted to someone is automatically going to turn out wrong or is a recipe for shallow disaster.
Yep istp and enfp may have a great chemistry if both are mature enough. For now I have tons of shits to deal with by myself and I'm not full grown yet, so maybe that's why all istps around me (especially in work places. AND boy, they're really extra capable of what they do) tend to be more like… mentors? Embarrassing, I know.
I don't even date never gone on an app date either... Lol no wonder I'm single 😂🤣🤣 yeah I also don't understand resentment... In relationship communicating needs and all regularly is important and also letting things go easily and not holding a grudge, not allowing the resentment and grudge to get out of control... I think resentment build up is just bunch of old unmet needs... Things that weren't properly addressed... Just waiting to explode. Everybody's needs are important... Couples need to learn how to spar a little 😊
Makes me realize how similar Fi and Ti actually are when it comes to relationships. I resonated with almost everything as savior Fi
Same here, I think there's a lot of overlap there. It seems like there's always an Fi behind the Ti and Ti behind the Fi. The main difference I've noticed (at least for me) is that I'm aware of Ti in the form of thoughts but am not able to articulate that in a Ti way "extrovertedly". We basically use a different language to describe the same things. Listening to Ti's is like listening to my inner voice
@@noragert4623 Beautifully put!
I can really see that as well. For me Fi is often an inner monologue, filled with thoughts
You used your Fe in teaching the tribe how to navigate feelings in relationships! 😊💓
The intro tho 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I appreciate the honesty: welcome to dave's bullshit! It really makes sense for me since I spent a decade to understand relationships from alllll perspectivrs and I ended up with the conclusion that noth is logical or makes sense in relationship... you do your best and leave it between God's hands. The issue is that matters of heart are subject of change and they are affected by external circumstances as well as personal growth.... I appreciate the tips and I believe that all of these things are the right steps to have and maintain a relationship. But it simply needs TWO people who are willing to carry that rock and integrate their shadow it is a lot of work! Good luck for everyone though ❤❤
P.s: btw I have this question concerning females with masculine functions like I am an intj and I was always attraced to guys with feminine functions bcz they give me a sense of security (enfjs precisely) but at the end, like deep inside the female me there is this longing for a more masculine presence even my vulnerable side cannot come out unless my male partner shows me their masculine side. So, according to OPs what energy should I go for cause I feel like I will never be able to settle. I am trying to work more on my feminine energy bcz thats what I can control. Thanks a lot!
Masculine / feminine functions or modalities don't necessarily map on to what is considered masculine or feminine culturally. Could easily have a FF guy or gal that's quite masculine for example. So I think OP or someone's type might not be as much of a factor in that case.
Maybe its worth it to keep looking with an open-mind towards type and when it feels right, it feels right. My 2 cents anyway :)
@@daveofallpeople thank you for the reply. It is true thay these functions may differ from a culture to another but there are certain aspects that are universal I suppose. I am talking about these functions In the sense of being more a dominant or active (taking initiatives, taking risks, taking control over matters etc.) Vs being passive and submessive in the relationship. The first impression can be tricky though but I guess you speak about reaching a level of self-awareness and maturity that helps you determine if it's right or not. Thanks again !
insightful video, glad I found it.
Hey dude. Why'd you stop uploading?
Eh honestly, just laziness. Have like two more growth talk episodes to do and then im gonna look to make more of these :)
@@daveofallpeopleGreat to hear. Will definitely wait on that. Also you have any advice on what exactly works best for an ISTP to better focus on our work? I find myself getting distracted very easily.
@@abhijayjaiprakash Don't know if there would be advice specifically to ISTPs. But I'll tell you what I do.
For me to be able to focus (have ADHD so its quite difficult most of the time) I have to keep myself pretty healthy. I need all the dopamine sensitivity I can get in a sense. If I'm not sleeping well or partying too much, I'm screwed basically.
Other than health, I don't force myself to focus on tasks for longer than what comes easy. So I let myself be distracted and just come back to the thing when I'm ready. The more willpower I try to use to keep myself on task, the harder it is to actually stay focused and I burn out very quickly.
The hardest thing for me is to get started, so I just focus on some really tiny thats super easy and just do that to get my foot in the door. But even then, I dont ever pressure myself to finish or even commit to doing the task. I make an intention in the morning and see what happens.
I find the less I pressure myself the easier it is for me to get things done and to be able to focus on things. I think there's an emotional component also involved in staying focused and that's something I'm exploring now. Maybe I'll make a video for that one day if I figure it out. Anyway, hope that helps!
@@daveofallpeopleThanks a lot Dave! And I totally agree, correlation is not causation.
@@daveofallpeoplelooking forward to next ISTP videos as a fellow ISTP! You are the most relatable ISTP on YT along with Mara. I stumbled upon you on Joyce Meng's interview :)
This video is really interesting and helpful! I love when people share their Ti
GOOD EPISODE especially this part 15:00
I was belly laughing when you tried saying that idiom again a little before 25:00. I hope I can interact with an ISTP like you one day, you’re very entertaining and I love the rambling, very endearing. Everything you said makes tons of sense and was very interesting.
With love,
ENFJ fan :)
Thanks Eden! Your comment made my day :)
Okay, so I honestly never would have thought of aligning my Di with others (even in my friendships). This probably explains a lot of conflicts and misalignments I (publicly) experience 🤡
Thank you for helping this SF last 🙏🏾
Nice! Its always cool to hear what people are able to take away from what you say. Glad it was helpful man. Thanks again for the idea
Good video .. God bless you 🙏 ❤
What people mistake about picking a partner that you feel attracted to looks wise is that looks apart from health also indicate personality. Most people in the world are not aware of it, but there is some correlation between looks and personality. I'm glad that OPS (although I do not agree with all of it) also noticed there are correlations between looks and personality. So if you go after hte looks you specify you _personally, somehow_ find attractive (which indicate personality) more than objective beauty standards (As they say less about personality) then by letting your attraction guide you, it's going to help you in the long run to not go against it, just as your instincts will tell you that eating sand is not as healthy for you as eating an apple.
Ever since I was young I've found certain _particular_ looks attractive and others not and I do not mean super stereotypical ones. I quite quickly realized it was a pattern when I was younger, cause I tend to see everything humans as patterns almost by default. (I guess FE+NE). However, after knowing about typology, I also found out that it's most often the types I'm into (Fe doms) that often have these particular specific physical characteristics that I'm interested in. For example, I find that Fe types more often seem to be dark haired, somewhat darker skinned with dark with dark eyes, whereas Ti's tend to be pale, often lighter eyes, kind dead tired eyes. You might think this relates purely to race then, but at least in theory it's not. Especially in mixed race couples you can see that if for example one parent is black and one white, the kids will have varying degrees of of shades although in theory they are all literally half black in race. However it's likely the Fe dominant one is gonna be darker than the Ti dominant one, in both skin, eyes and such (although not a certainty). Also, even if some races have higher degrees of certain types than others, it would not at all surprising since we all evolved on different locations where different survival strategies worked better. The idea that this should be the same is more ideological thinking rather then realistic thinking.
Extraverts typically gonna be darker than introverts and tend to be somewhat more wide in build and face than introverts. Sensors on the other hand tend to have have more naturally athletic bodies more often even though they do not work out or even try to do anything physical. People's skills and interests often are overlapping too for a reason, just as as if a hammer had a personality it would likely want to ' hammer' things and it would likely be good at it too.
About the numbers game I absolutely agree. The best match can be found using a higher number. It's absolutely logical. I feel though if you have enough or maybe a lot of experience chatting with people online in text, that this over time helps you read them without even having to meet them. However, if you hardly talk to unfamiliar people online, then I do not think you can likely read them that well..I use to be on some chat sites ever since i was like 15 year old, so that helped to over time read between the lines more when it comes to unfamiliar people and figuring out the personality based on just plain text. Now just a few generic lines already give me an impression. Its certainly not better than meeting in real life, but you can simply go through more numbers if you also talk to people in chat in my view.
Another important one is that , the more you _need_ to ' work' on your relationship, the less naturally they fit you and it only implies you made the wrong choice. This does not mean yo should now immediately divorce them after maybe 10 years of marriage, but it would be better if you picked a more compatible person in the first place. The thing is that life is eventually going to throw big problems at you. You will get older, you will get health complaints or whatever, people will die, you may have money issues. Who knows what's coming. It's sure that you will also face issues like that in your life and if you already need help to just make a relationship work withhout actual problems, then how are you going to face actual problems together when you actually get them?
I've seen you around a bit! And maybe have interacted a few times. Cool to see you on here :)
Love the calm double observing here man, really chill.
Also, don't disagree with what you're saying, but my partners often do :D
I wonder if that means it only works for us :D
Thanks bud! Strange that people would disagree with this but I could be biased :P
I'm a entp somewhat attracted to intjs , it's the te vs ti, fe vs fi is my issue on miscommunication.
Damn you look so good Dave.
My heart went like this: ↘️↘️↘️↘️⬇️↗️➡️↗️↘️↗️↘️↗️↘️➡️☑️
Damn the mic is sounds sick!
ok I'm only 7 minutes in but THANK ALL THAT's HOLY for saying attraction is necessary! I feel that's a given but I come across a lot of people who think that being attracted to someone is automatically going to turn out wrong or is a recipe for shallow disaster.
Right??? I would think that's a given too. Nothing shallow about it!
It's so fascinating seeing M Se and F Fe in another man. What is your own perception of how masculine you are or feel you are?
I generally feel more feminine than how people see me. But I'd say it's a mix. 50-50 , 60-40?
Yep istp and enfp may have a great chemistry if both are mature enough.
For now I have tons of shits to deal with by myself and I'm not full grown yet, so maybe that's why all istps around me (especially in work places. AND boy, they're really extra capable of what they do) tend to be more like… mentors?
Embarrassing, I know.
Stubbled across this video because I’m an INFJ BSP/C did I 😅
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I don't even date never gone on an app date either... Lol no wonder I'm single 😂🤣🤣 yeah I also don't understand resentment... In relationship communicating needs and all regularly is important and also letting things go easily and not holding a grudge, not allowing the resentment and grudge to get out of control... I think resentment build up is just bunch of old unmet needs... Things that weren't properly addressed... Just waiting to explode. Everybody's needs are important... Couples need to learn how to spar a little 😊