Both. The reason I say that is because of application just like what he said in the video. I purchased the new Gen 4 Nova to be used on my M4V7SLW. It meshes up very nicely with that platform and I went with Midwest Industries 30mm QD mount and now she’s just effin’ sexy. Just waiting on that JK Arm. piece to come in. Back to PA optics. The Aurora is going onto the new 308 build, but honestly they both have their pros and cons. If it came down to picking one for the Zombie Apocalypse it would definitely be the Aurora. Keep up the awesome work PA cause your optics are definitely in the top 10 and I believe it’s only going to get better. Then again that’s the Houstonian in me rooting for my home team. Hell, I would love to be a PA team member. Great product guys!
The Aurora would be a clear choice if you guys released the values of the subtensions so that it can be applied to all types of firearms/barrel lengths/velocity specs rather than just the small handful yall provide. Getting "its a trade secret" or whatever from yalls CS about a year ago for my 5x was INCREDIBLY frustrating when Trijicon and everyone else with a BDC is so open about it. After ALOT of math, I've been able to solve my problem for my gun in my environment and confirmed I'm good to go at 600....but it's frustrating that it's nothing more than an educated guess.
No arguments there. Griffin is definitely great. But that's not the question. They asked which reticle between these two do people refer ACSS Nova vs Aurora. I imagine they are looking for feedback to help them improve these two.
Can you do an LED acog with your mil reticle? That would be amazing. At that point I’d buy all your high end stuff. I’d like to keep all my stuff the same
NOVA rocks! I have two 1-6x LVPO' s , and very hopeful the NOVA dot in a 4-16x is something com I g soon with MIL reticle and MIL adjustment (hint-hint-hint!)
Nova. A 1-6 power LPVO is the "mathematically perfect" power range for a variable power scope that goes down to 1x. And with the max power being 6x, you really don't have enough magnification for positive target identification at extended ranges, so there is little point in having a reticle with BDC & wind holds for 600 700 / 800 yards & beyond. Having a "red dot bright" dot on a LPVO with near-perfect 1x allows for it to be used just like a red dot, with the luxury of being able to dial up the power for longer distances. A 1-6 power LPVO is perfect for 0-400 yards, which also happens to be the distances that the Nova is also perfect for. The added capabilities of the Aurora are best exploited on a scope with higher magnification capabilities. The PA ACSS Nova 1-6 is the ultimate budget LPVO, and is the scope that I dream someday of putting on a 16" Ruger SFAR that I would name "Thumper". You just need to lighten up the friction of the magnification ring so that a pipe wrench isn't required to quickly / easily change the magnification. (Hopefully a ScopeSwich will make changes to magnification easier.)
is the 1x on the Nova and Aurora not identical? I thought they were the same scope with different reticles, so if anything I thought the nova would just be brighter
@@alexanderb5644, Yes, the 1x is identical on both. Yes, they are the same scope with different reticles. Yes, the Nova's dot is brighter than the illuminated reticle on the Aurora.
I agree for simplicity's sake, the nova would go on my wife's 12.5 and she wouldn't need ranging anything up to 300 yds and she would be good with the red dot nova. Esspecially if I just zeroed the red dot nova at 36 yds.
I think a lot of people overlook the inherent flaws of battery life, I hunt a lot and love MRAD scopes for distance but at 1x if your battery is dead for a plethora of reasons the NOVA would be hard to pick up being a traditional reticle. For 3 gun and other competitions it would be better then the Aurora but for real world/redundant/repeatable the Aurora is the way to go as a thicker and faster chevron on 1x is the way to go. Great video and products!
Is the illumination on Aurora is as bright as Nova? I like the chevron on Aurora but saw some UA-cam video where the illumination on Aurora seems not bright enough on daylight. Is there a video comparing these 2 reticles' illumination?
I went with Nova because it’s going on a 16” barrel LR308 and I want the brightest reticle at 1x for primary use and the Nova is so bright it can hurt your eyes lol. This rifle isn’t going to see much use beyond 300 yards. If I need to go beyond that, my 24” 6mm ARC is up to the challenge with better ballistics and an Apollo reticle.
I have a stigmatism so red dots aren't accurate for me. Was looking to try this lpvo to see if it was gonna work better. Sounds great on 1x. Since it it's bright enough to be used as a dot. I'll buy a nova when it has a 556 bdc. Not interested in a mrad reticle and trying to use it as a bdc. Looking for a no think point and shoot solution. I will be picking up the 3-18x44 Athena for my ar10 though.
most important thing about lpvo is the magnification range and etched reticle, in actual testing the times weren’t much different illuminated vs not, but it’s perceived that way, if that works for you then stick to what works.
@@PrimaryArmsOptics sure but not everyone needs etched reticles that take them out to 600 yards on a 1-6. I'm willing to bet most people never even shoot past 200 yards. I bought a nova and ended up selling it as it's still a budget scope at the end of the day. I'd be excited to see a higher tier nova-like scope with the same bright dot, a few holds, and higher quality components.
I would go with neither as perhaps PA can address some of the short comings presented by C_Does on his review of the SLx 1-6x24 Nova. Perhaps a GLx version could get us better glass. While you are at it, I would like to see windage dots on the Nova version. Willing to pay more to get better glass, but not at the PLx prices.
@@codyscorner4337 I have been saving up to get the Trijicon Credo HX 1-6x24 after I saw a review of it on UA-cam by C_Does. Most recently I saw that Arken released a new LPVO, the EP8 1-8x28 with the KL Box reticle. Lots of people hate the reticle (without trying it), but it makes sense to me. Arken claims it will come with Japanese glass, which sounds very promising. I may wait for a review or at the 25% discount they are offering now I may take the plunge.
You need to keep in mind that C-Does was comparing the PA Nova to the Vortex Viper PST Gen. 2 which is about $250 more expensive than the Nova putting it in the next higher class of LPVO's and the PST is at the top of that higher class!
what would you use instead of the chevron? I have seen other companies use segmented shapes and all they do is bleed over targets obstructing everything out to 300 and in low or noods completely obstructing medium range targets.
@@PrimaryArmsOptics I think practically the chevron is a fantastic aiming system. But I’m competitive shooter, bracketing 8” targets at say 265 with the outer Edges of the chevron is just too course. I think the razor dot that is see through is perhaps the best center aiming point. But I’ve looked through the PLX, it’s a phenomenal optic. Just wish it had 1-10 and a dot
advantage is yes acts like a dot but also has magnification including etched reticle in case of battery failure, the advantage a dot has is unlimited eye box and eye relief including a much longer battery life
@@nynoah No, the Nova doesn’t have the shake and wake function. Don’t get me wrong I enjoy shake and wake on all optics but for the Nova I think it’s better they don’t have that capability. Makes the shooter less, ummm, complacent and more engaged with the task at hand. I apologize going off into left field like that when a simple Yes or No would’ve been sufficient. No, the Nova doesn’t have that capability. Sorry bro, hopefully PA will think of something more cool than shake and wake. We’ll see
@@PrimaryArmsOptics I was able to get out to 500 yards comfortably using Winchester 64 grain RA556B ammo 2 weeks ago. So, to answer Greg’s question yes it’ll reach out and ping 400 & beyond. I really want to throw some M855A1 down range. Maybe one day
@@thephantomzoneboxing Well when you’re in a place where the wind doesn’t blow very often and is very hot with a lot of humidity the slug will travel out to 500 yards.
@@PrimaryArmsOptics I was more looking for a do it all lpvo and I liked the aurora the best but I’m concerned the reticle won’t be bright enough in the AZ sun. The Nova doesn’t seem to care much about sunlight though seeing as it’s so bright. Would I be better off with the brighter reticle being from AZ where the sun is intense?
The Aurora will be "day light visible" meaning it will appear red in bright, sunny conditions. If you are looking for true "red dot" bright then the ACSS Nova is the ticket.
I just wish I could afford one. I would Hope that Primary Arms would design a reticle system for us low income poors to afford. like the less than $150. mark especially in the 1-6xlpvo and prism optics category. no company ever looks out for us poors, when it comes to optics, and what y'all consider budget in the industry, is in fact top dollar to us low income poor's
There's trash scopes out there for you. There's a handful of okay ones. Get the made in Korea Bushnell Banner Low Light 1.5-4. It's $90. Want better? This isn't 1993, prices have gone up.
Neither. SLx eye box is way too tight, fishbowl and off center is fuzzy. With better glass and larger eye box it would be Nova for 1-6 and Aurora for 1-8. p.s. Usable optics are about image resolution and observable field of view, not magnification. Clean 8X beats mediocre 12X in recognition and eye strain. It always was this way and always will be.
Chevron all the things. So, Aurora.
Came to say the same
Yes
This
Chevron, nothing else suffices , never going back
Especially for us fucks with astigmatisms, you can see chevrons all day but red dots look like stars exploding.
Aurora all day every day, both are cool, but the Aurora just does everything.
Aurora is the best. Have the Gen 4 and the Acog from you guys. Love them the most.
In testing its one of the top performers
I got the Nova and it is Great.
indeed
I've been shooting with your chevron for several years now, fell in love early on, and still in love today!!!
Both. The reason I say that is because of application just like what he said in the video. I purchased the new Gen 4 Nova to be used on my M4V7SLW. It meshes up very nicely with that platform and I went with Midwest Industries 30mm QD mount and now she’s just effin’ sexy. Just waiting on that JK Arm. piece to come in. Back to PA optics. The Aurora is going onto the new 308 build, but honestly they both have their pros and cons. If it came down to picking one for the Zombie Apocalypse it would definitely be the Aurora. Keep up the awesome work PA cause your optics are definitely in the top 10 and I believe it’s only going to get better. Then again that’s the Houstonian in me rooting for my home team. Hell, I would love to be a PA team member. Great product guys!
Aurora for me and I would also like green as illumination option.
Good vid - useful nformation for a new guy like myself.
Man, I like them both!
With NTOA validation and some windholds, this is the perfect scope!
Even without the current windholds its damn near perfect.
Aurora for me! Always a chevron or a triangle! Thats why I switched all of my rmr's and lpvo's to your products!
Amen, Chevron is da bomb, infinite aiming precision. FTW
The Aurora would be a clear choice if you guys released the values of the subtensions so that it can be applied to all types of firearms/barrel lengths/velocity specs rather than just the small handful yall provide.
Getting "its a trade secret" or whatever from yalls CS about a year ago for my 5x was INCREDIBLY frustrating when Trijicon and everyone else with a BDC is so open about it.
After ALOT of math, I've been able to solve my problem for my gun in my environment and confirmed I'm good to go at 600....but it's frustrating that it's nothing more than an educated guess.
Aurora, although if you made a super bright center dot like the Nova (in FFP though) with the BDC of the Aurora I wouldn't complain.
we can’t and remain at this price point the Nova is wire reticle so we can’t add wind holds and so on
@@PrimaryArmsOptics I didn't necessarily mean at the same price point but thanks for the response!
Second this. A FFP Nova reticle in the PLx lineup would be perfect
@@PrimaryArmsOpticsif you guys can make it we will buy it. even at a high price point
@@PrimaryArmsOptics FFP, Red dot bright, Aurora BDC, and good glass? Shut up and take my money!!
I like both but the key is true daylight bright. Both can be accomplished but rarely at a low price point.
Aurora for me. But the Nova is really nice, as well.
Griffin is favorite. Chevron + circle + grid plus ranging. Perfect in my opinion
No arguments there. Griffin is definitely great. But that's not the question. They asked which reticle between these two do people refer ACSS Nova vs Aurora. I imagine they are looking for feedback to help them improve these two.
Please make a 1-8 PLxC in SFP with the Nova fiberwire reticle!
Got 2 Aurora’s on a 5.56 and .308 it’s the best for modern real world situations I.e. the moving vehicle leads.
Can you do an LED acog with your mil reticle? That would be amazing. At that point I’d buy all your high end stuff. I’d like to keep all my stuff the same
NOVA rocks! I have two 1-6x LVPO' s , and very hopeful the NOVA dot in a 4-16x is something com I g soon with MIL reticle and MIL adjustment (hint-hint-hint!)
Nova. A 1-6 power LPVO is the "mathematically perfect" power range for a variable power scope that goes down to 1x. And with the max power being 6x, you really don't have enough magnification for positive target identification at extended ranges, so there is little point in having a reticle with BDC & wind holds for 600 700 / 800 yards & beyond. Having a "red dot bright" dot on a LPVO with near-perfect 1x allows for it to be used just like a red dot, with the luxury of being able to dial up the power for longer distances. A 1-6 power LPVO is perfect for 0-400 yards, which also happens to be the distances that the Nova is also perfect for. The added capabilities of the Aurora are best exploited on a scope with higher magnification capabilities. The PA ACSS Nova 1-6 is the ultimate budget LPVO, and is the scope that I dream someday of putting on a 16" Ruger SFAR that I would name "Thumper". You just need to lighten up the friction of the magnification ring so that a pipe wrench isn't required to quickly / easily change the magnification. (Hopefully a ScopeSwich will make changes to magnification easier.)
is the 1x on the Nova and Aurora not identical? I thought they were the same scope with different reticles, so if anything I thought the nova would just be brighter
@@alexanderb5644,
Yes, the 1x is identical on both. Yes, they are the same scope with different reticles. Yes, the Nova's dot is brighter than the illuminated reticle on the Aurora.
I agree for simplicity's sake, the nova would go on my wife's 12.5 and she wouldn't need ranging anything up to 300 yds and she would be good with the red dot nova. Esspecially if I just zeroed the red dot nova at 36 yds.
Aurora. I don't particularly love the chevron but I do love the auto-ranging and wind holds!
Is it better than the Nova?
I think a lot of people overlook the inherent flaws of battery life, I hunt a lot and love MRAD scopes for distance but at 1x if your battery is dead for a plethora of reasons the NOVA would be hard to pick up being a traditional reticle. For 3 gun and other competitions it would be better then the Aurora but for real world/redundant/repeatable the Aurora is the way to go as a thicker and faster chevron on 1x is the way to go. Great video and products!
Thank you!!! That is the reason that the ACSS is so vast... with so many use cases and different setups we have options to cover just about any need.
Is the illumination on Aurora is as bright as Nova?
I like the chevron on Aurora but saw some UA-cam video where the illumination on Aurora seems not bright enough on daylight. Is there a video comparing these 2 reticles' illumination?
How does the brightness on the Aurora compare to the Nova?
Aroura of the two. But I was wondering if you had any Hera MOA reticle optics gathering dust in the back of the warehouse???? 👀
Aurora
Did y’all ever make a gen3 1-8x SFP with the aurora reticle?
Any plan for the nova fiber dot, but still have the rest of it be the Aurora set up below the dot.
yes in the works but will be part of our PLX line and a ways out
@@PrimaryArmsOptics cool man, thanks for responding.
what the optics industry considers budget prices, is in fact high dollar to us low income poors.
Between these two, Aurora FTW.
I went with Nova because it’s going on a 16” barrel LR308 and I want the brightest reticle at 1x for primary use and the Nova is so bright it can hurt your eyes lol. This rifle isn’t going to see much use beyond 300 yards. If I need to go beyond that, my 24” 6mm ARC is up to the challenge with better ballistics and an Apollo reticle.
How about the aurora in a 1-8 sfp?
Any plans on bringing the nova reticle to hunting style scopes in 3x-9, 3x-12, 3x-18 or 4x-16 similar to Trijicon accupoint?
personally, I would find a Glx, sfp, Nova chevron to be the epitome of PA LPVO evolution. 1x optimized with 6x for 300m PID
Plans on making a 1-8 / 1-10 in the Aurora?
I have a stigmatism so red dots aren't accurate for me. Was looking to try this lpvo to see if it was gonna work better. Sounds great on 1x. Since it it's bright enough to be used as a dot.
I'll buy a nova when it has a 556 bdc. Not interested in a mrad reticle and trying to use it as a bdc. Looking for a no think point and shoot solution.
I will be picking up the 3-18x44 Athena for my ar10 though.
Why don’t you guys put the nova wire in the new 5x prism? Or at least give that option.
If the aurora isn’t daytime bright how bright is it?
is the Aurora daylight bright?
Awesome info!
thank you
Is the Aurora daylight bright?
Nova simply because a daylight bright dot is the most important thing about most lpvo's.
most important thing about lpvo is the magnification range and etched reticle, in actual testing the times weren’t much different illuminated vs not, but it’s perceived that way, if that works for you then stick to what works.
@@PrimaryArmsOptics sure but not everyone needs etched reticles that take them out to 600 yards on a 1-6. I'm willing to bet most people never even shoot past 200 yards. I bought a nova and ended up selling it as it's still a budget scope at the end of the day. I'd be excited to see a higher tier nova-like scope with the same bright dot, a few holds, and higher quality components.
@@lumis.True some people only shoot up close
ACSS Aurora.
Any Aurora 308. Reticle in meters for 2024??
I would go with neither as perhaps PA can address some of the short comings presented by C_Does on his review of the SLx 1-6x24 Nova. Perhaps a GLx version could get us better glass. While you are at it, I would like to see windage dots on the Nova version. Willing to pay more to get better glass, but not at the PLx prices.
Exactly. That's why I past on the Nova. With eye box that tight and off center image deterioration it's a bench scope, not a run scope.
@@codyscorner4337 I have been saving up to get the Trijicon Credo HX 1-6x24 after I saw a review of it on UA-cam by C_Does. Most recently I saw that Arken released a new LPVO, the EP8 1-8x28 with the KL Box reticle. Lots of people hate the reticle (without trying it), but it makes sense to me. Arken claims it will come with Japanese glass, which sounds very promising. I may wait for a review or at the 25% discount they are offering now I may take the plunge.
Okay.
That will be $950.
@@BigSmartArmed What did you go with over the PA?
You need to keep in mind that C-Does was comparing the PA Nova to the Vortex Viper PST Gen. 2 which is about $250 more expensive than the Nova putting it in the next higher class of LPVO's and the PST is at the top of that higher class!
What makes it challenging to get a “daylight bright” chevron? Asking for a friend 😅
It is the illumination tech. used to illuminate etched reticles. it just isn't as efficient as our Fiber wire illumination.
I’m thinking the Nova for coyote hunting
Does the Aurora have the new glass finish that some of the reviewers are talking about on the Nova?
yes
It is crystal clear glass. I knew it would be, but once you put your eye up to the scope then you’ll see what all the hype is about.
Bro if you could bring us a
1-10 PLX compact
With the griffin mill but without the chevron and with the daylight bright dot that would take over 3-gun
what would you use instead of the chevron? I have seen other companies use segmented shapes and all they do is bleed over targets obstructing everything out to 300 and in low or noods completely obstructing medium range targets.
@@PrimaryArmsOptics I think practically the chevron is a fantastic aiming system. But I’m competitive shooter, bracketing 8” targets at say 265 with the outer Edges of the chevron is just too course. I think the razor dot that is see through is perhaps the best center aiming point. But I’ve looked through the PLX, it’s a phenomenal optic. Just wish it had 1-10 and a dot
@@tonsofgunsoffun8516 I want that too
So is the NOVA a good red dot substitute?
advantage is yes acts like a dot but also has magnification including etched reticle in case of battery failure, the advantage a dot has is unlimited eye box and eye relief including a much longer battery life
@@PrimaryArmsOptics does this have shake awake?
@@nynoah No, the Nova doesn’t have the shake and wake function. Don’t get me wrong I enjoy shake and wake on all optics but for the Nova I think it’s better they don’t have that capability. Makes the shooter less, ummm, complacent and more engaged with the task at hand. I apologize going off into left field like that when a simple Yes or No would’ve been sufficient. No, the Nova doesn’t have that capability. Sorry bro, hopefully PA will think of something more cool than shake and wake. We’ll see
Would it be
Red dot = 100 yard zero
Half mil below is 200 yards
1mil is 300 yards
2mil is 400 yards
3mil is 500
4mil is 600
5mil is 700?
Does the Nova work ok beyond 400 or is that effectively the limit of the reticle?
its got 5 mils so should get you past 600 yards with most 5.56
@@PrimaryArmsOptics I was able to get out to 500 yards comfortably using Winchester 64 grain RA556B ammo 2 weeks ago. So, to answer Greg’s question yes it’ll reach out and ping 400 & beyond. I really want to throw some M855A1 down range. Maybe one day
@@TexPhillyPhow is the wind not blowin the bullet all over the place at that range? what length barrel you using,
@@thephantomzoneboxing Well when you’re in a place where the wind doesn’t blow very often and is very hot with a lot of humidity the slug will travel out to 500 yards.
Any plans to bring the Nova to an MOA offering?
lol
U wut mate?
I live in AZ am I gonna be able to see the aurora in the day time or should I go with the nova?
We would recommend the Nova if you are looking for "Red dot bright".
@@PrimaryArmsOptics I was more looking for a do it all lpvo and I liked the aurora the best but I’m concerned the reticle won’t be bright enough in the AZ sun. The Nova doesn’t seem to care much about sunlight though seeing as it’s so bright. Would I be better off with the brighter reticle being from AZ where the sun is intense?
The Aurora will be "day light visible" meaning it will appear red in bright, sunny conditions. If you are looking for true "red dot" bright then the ACSS Nova is the ticket.
Put the wind dots on the nova and it would be perfect
Unfortunately, with the fiber wire reticle we can not use floating elements.
Even not illuminated? Does it block the light used for the fiber?
@@DarthGengarusbruh 💀
@@DarthGengarus I think it would reflect the light and cause image aberrations, so you have to have a simpler reticle.
Nova
I just wish I could afford one. I would Hope that Primary Arms would design a reticle system for us low income poors to afford. like the less than $150. mark especially in the 1-6xlpvo and prism optics category. no company ever looks out for us poors, when it comes to optics, and what y'all consider budget in the industry, is in fact top dollar to us low income poor's
cry me a river sheesh
There's trash scopes out there for you.
There's a handful of okay ones.
Get the made in Korea Bushnell Banner Low Light 1.5-4.
It's $90.
Want better?
This isn't 1993, prices have gone up.
Neither. SLx eye box is way too tight, fishbowl and off center is fuzzy. With better glass and larger eye box it would be Nova for 1-6 and Aurora for 1-8.
p.s. Usable optics are about image resolution and observable field of view, not magnification. Clean 8X beats mediocre 12X in recognition and eye strain. It always was this way and always will be.
Aurora ..... But I bought the HUD dmr
excellent choice, I have two of those. 4-14X,, FFP, best scope for your money
Aurora
Aurora