Thank you. In Baldwin's "statement" he behaved as tho' he bore no responsibility to ensure the weapon was safe. Everyone who puts a hand on it, bears that responsibility!
Exactly! You can never be too safe when handling a gun, but I don't expect 99% of these Hollywood actors to understand this when they practically have people to wipe their asses for them.
Unfortunately, it's SOME of the IRRESPONSIBLE who get their hands on them and cause accidents. I take that back. They cause 'ON PURPOSES' UNTIL they discover they're now in trouble, THEN they call them "accidents", 'cause THIS SHOOTING WAS ABSOLUTELY PREVENTABLE. But IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARD, his eyes were OPENED and he realized how much TROUBLE he is in and the TERROR set into his mind. Perhaps the SAME WAY that Adam and Eve's eyes were opened IMMEDIATELY AFTER they ate the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden and the TERROR set into their minds? Like the old saying goes, "It's all fun and games til somebody gets hurt, or killed!" My heart goes out to her husband and child, family and friends.
Glad you clarified, us reloaders get funny about terminology. Sidenote, a primer alone with no powder in the cartridge has enough power to push a bullet in the barrel, usually gets lodged there. So a dummy round would be deprimed, no primer or a spent primer. Most reloaders keep dummys to reset your bullet seating die when changing bullet types. Sorry for the longevity, I get carried away when it comes to guns., Love your content.
@UCRuWpB9as6FvjMI50vY52ag He already said to make the scene look authentic. To create realism. If you follow the rules,of which there are many wether the gun is real of just capable of shooting blanks should not matter unless there is clear intent and even then there should be checks and balances to prevent that
Live round cartridge = casing + primer + charge (powder = propellant) + bullet (projectile). There is no primer on the back of a bullet. Get the terminology right. It is confusing for the ignorant. The same as: Is it clip or magazine? There is no such thing as a accidental discharge of a firearm. It is unintentional (negligence) 'or' international operator action. An firearm accident occurs with a mechanical or wrong load fault without "operator" fault. Discharge of a firearm requires human kinetic input be it negligent or intentional. Ultimately no matter who handled the firearm, the operator is responsible for what the firearm does. A static firearm, even loaded and hot, can not/will not discharge. Though this is a tragic happening, realize that vehicle drivers unintentionally kill many times more people ever day than firearm operators.
I am an armorer for a large 1850’s theatrical production. I’m oversee close to 100 weapons including knives, swords and a cannon. John, the way you describe things in this video is EXACTLY the way I run my set. EXACTLY. Whenever I have a new actor, they go through my gun safely lecture. I always overview gun safety every day when we use weapons. It ONLY runs my way or it doesn’t run at all. I am appalled at how this happened and discussed in Alec’s behavior.
Why was Alec pointing the gun, even if it was cold, which it wasn't, at anyone period? Especially just to practice a cross draw allegedly? Everything about the official narrative so far is very suspect.
What I read was that he was aiming towards the camera which had the cinematographer and director behind it. But like he said proper protocol would be that no one should have been there.
The cinematographer and director are often right behind the camera. The script called for the actor to shoot someone, but the scene calls for the gun to be aimed right at the camera when it's fired for a dramatic effect, so the audience sees as if they are being shot at. This is a very common scene in just about every TV show or movie drama. Sure they probably could have used a mirror for that view, but depending on the scene, the amount of space on set, weather, etc, may not have been useable.
My father taught me, years ago. It is standard required protocol if handed a gun, you check and see if it's armed or loaded. When you hand the gun back to a person, they would do the same. Never take anyone word on condition of the gun with or without bullets Thanks John, looking forward to your return to Chattanooga soon. .
That's what I was taught also to have the breach open and if it is a revolver have the cylinder swung out and open. I was taught that in my law enforcement class in college.
@Mark. I echo this comment… The first thing my dad taught me was never take a gun and assume it’s empty. Always check and NEVER point it at anyone unless you plan on killing them.
It happens every single time on the range - Every.Single.Time. You clear it, hand it over and they clear it. Why? To stop this negligent bullshit, and accidental killings.
@@JDAfrica the person who has the final grasp, responsible to be sure it is cleared before its fired toward a target. Baldwin should have checked it himself, found the hot bullet(s), disarmed the gun of the bullets and had the people who supposedly checked it and passed on to him immediately fired and possible arrested if it was criminal intent.
@@ChattanoogaLiveMusic agreed. But also remember: - 2 days before, his stunt double fired 2 live rounds, was told it was a prop gun, and no safety briefing or Investigation. - the armourer and crew were taking the prop guns into the desert and shooting cans, or playing with them. - the armourer kept live rounds and blanks in the same place. - the AD (assistant director) was accessing and handing over guns. Which broke the chain of custody. ONLY the armourer should give out and recover the weapons - that’s her job. - the 23 year old armourer was previously kicked off Nicholas Cages movie and set, because she was reckless, and kept firing pistols without warning. - Baldwin clearly ignored proper gun safety, and protocol. He was the last cog in this machine, the fail safe. But, virtually every safety protocol was ignored.
All valid points John. I served in the Army Infantry, We were taught to always verbalize when inspecting, handling or clearing weapons. It is a habit that I use in everyday life. Accidents are rarely caused by a single event, It is usually a daisy chain of safety protocols and procedures that are overlooked,or are not followed due to complacency and overconfidence that precede and finally culminate into disaster.
@@JohnSchneiderStudios Thank you for explaining how guns work on a set. I knew shenanigans were up when I heard about the incident and had suspicions because these things don't happen normally. All I can say is that, I suspect someone put a real bullet in that chamber because they wanted to kill someone. Even so, Alec Baldwin knew better. He should have been trained better. In my point of view, this is negligence or a degree of manslaughter.
Everything you said is correct and it was also professionally explained. It's always great to hear from someone who works hard to make things right the first time. Thank you, John. God bless
I have to tell you: There is a legion of old military firearm instructors (and a whole passel of regular old infantrymen) who are losing their minds over the failure path of this incident. Thanks for the explanation!
According to reports so far, sadly no cameras were rolling at the time. It was a rehearsal where Baldwin was practicing his quick draw. Sheriff's department found live rounds stored with blanks on set and found out that the crew was taking the firearms to the range when not on set. There are multiple protocols (all) being broken in the management of weapons on this set.
So my next question, why are went looking heavily at the prop master and armorer? These people failed! Just keeping the live rounds near set is an issue. These 2 need to be examined. What Alec did by not checking was stupid, but we still weren't there. What we DO KNOW is there's people who's job it was, is to maintain and keep the weapons, load them, secure them. They are primarily at fault. The live round didn't come from Alec. And thats where we will find our guilty verdict.
@@TheRealMediaMan I don’t care if a gunsmith handed me a brand new gun right out of the box, I WOULD “CHECK”IT! (Simple common sense!)....In other words, the last person,who ever it is,to hold a “potentially”deadly firearm is “IT”,and responsible for the SAFETY status of that gun! (Especially if you’re going to be “slinging” it around like an idiot around other people!)...end of story!
@@JohnDgr81 if you look natural the job responsibilities of the prop master and armorer you'd see they will be held primarily accountable. If we don't go after whoever mixed live rounds, who kept live rounds on set, who loaded live rounds, who left tye weapons unsecured and allowed for live fire.... this will happen again. They need to be rooted out
I only worked on one movie ("Eastwood's Pink Cadillac"). There were LOTS of firearms on that set and I was duly impressed by how they were handled. Eastwood's "armorer" was an old, very German fellow who kept strict control over all things gun. If anything was not in his sightline, it was locked up . He just dripped professionalism. Only him and his assistant had the key. The assistant's key was an emergency one only to be used if the German guy was dead. Ammo was obviously not properly controlled on Baldwin's set.
Police evidence photos and documents state that the box of "dummy rounds"that Hannah Gutierrez read was loading Alec Baldwin's firearm with all day had 13 live rounds and three dummy rounds in it. Two of the actors that had gun belts on unknowingly possessed live rounds in their gun belts. I can't remember his first name so I'll just call him Mr. Kelly from PDQ prop and arms in Santa Fe has a lot to answer for. The first assistant director and Mr Kelly's police interviews are the only ones that have not been fully released by the department so I believe they are working on a case. It is my opinion that during Alec Baldwin's mini Cross draw rehearsals he unknowingly applied enough pressure for the trigger to be depressed therefore bypassing the sear safety notches on the bottom of the hammer once he started manipulating it to the rear lining up the camera angle. While he actively had the trigger squeezed he either accidentally lost control of the hammer or let It slam down on that chambered life round causing it to go off. He may not have consciously pulled that trigger but on a single action army it does not matter which order you cock and pull for it to be operable. You can fan the hammer..
John, that was the most clear explanation of the protocol of how guns are required to be handled on set. As you stated, there should never be live ammo anywhere near a set. A tragic combination of criminality and negligence.
The person who is ultimately responsible is the person holding the weapon. If the armorer and asst director failed in their responsibilities, that doesn't absolve Mr Baldwin from failing in his responsibility. He's just as culpable as the person who handed him the pistol, if not more so.
Exactly right. Just like you or I would be responsible if we "accidentally" shot someone while cleaning our firearms, it's called negligent homicide if I'm not mistaken.
It's never a Single Point of Failure. I learned, when I was Active Duty in the US Navy; a Series of Small Failures will lead to Catastrophe. Like you pointed out, there were at least 3 points of failure.
I worked for 10 years in the logging industry and 30 years in the mining industry. When conditions got dangerous, I never once seen as much as someone get a splinter in their finger. It was when things were routine that injuries happened. When firearms are involved, it should always be considered dangerous because it is.
John, this is a fantastic explanation of what should have happened. I personally didn’t know exactly what was supposed to be done on set but I knew there’s no way this should have slipped through so many hands.
You are absolutely correct. I walked out of a gun store once because the salesman handed me a weapon without clearing it. I cleared it when he handed it to me and he rolled his eyes and said, "it's not loaded dude". Gun safety is not hard, but it does require discipline.
Hi John! In my opinion there’s no need to apologize for a long video when you have taken the time to explain everything so well. Thank you for taking that time! Thank you for your service to the Vets out there! 🇺🇸 God Bless and Take Care! 🙂
I have carried at least one firearm daily for almost 35 years and everything you said is correct. (Although, some of the terminology might have been a little off; not faulting you at all.) Dry fire is a big part of a lot of the training for many who carry a firearm. The safety procedures one goes through before a dry fire exercise is similar. No rounds anywhere in the room. Check, re-check, and check again to make sure the weapon is clear before beginning exercises. At other times, when we handle firearms, we make clear and double check. Everyone who subsequently has possession of that same firearm checks for clear. There are advantages to being raised around firearms in that the likelihood is high of being familiar with function, safety rules, and potentially dire consequences of ignoring safety rules. I have instructed countless people and children on firearms (and self-defense) over the decades. I am saddened by how many I encounter today that have no basic knowledge of firearms and firearm safety. When I was a child, it was common knowledge and much of it was considered common sense. Perhaps elective classes on firearms could be offered in public schools, colleges, and universities. That might go a long way for firearm safety and for strengthening support for the individual right to keep and bear arms.
I just saw an interview with you talking about Roscoe. John, I know I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You've been one of my heros since I was a little kid, and you are still one of my heros today. I appreciate everything you do. Keep up the good work!
Thank you John for stating this. I very much enjoy listening to your perspective on things. This is by far the best channel I’ve subscribed to and knowing what a good and real person you are is very refreshing.
John, I'm glad I looked up to you as a kid, because you are a Stand Up Soul in this age of insanity. Sure enough, this situation wreaks, and it's only the beginning. Gets more interesting by the day.......
John I clearly understood your interview on the earlier news station. Like I said, in my statement: that interview could be used in a courtroom testimony. I’ve always looked at a weapon as fully loaded and treated as so.
Thank you John for posting this. I was brought up to first treat every gun like it is loaded and secondly never point a gun at anyone. I know it's different with movies, but we were told as kids this. Great explanation.
Yes I would love to know how it went through 2-3 hands that were suppose to be checking it and no one caught that there were live rounds in it. And why was it pointed at the 2 people that got shot “by accident”. Can’t wait for your next video on this John. Thank you for taking time out of your day to make these videos, I appreciate it.
John, I love your posts. It's a tragedy that should have never happened. I own firearms and safety is ALWAYS my top priority. I will not be around anyone who treats firearms like toys and "assumes" they aren't loaded. My deepest sympathy goes out to the family who lost their loved one. Your video is crystal clear and raises some important issues. Keep up the great videos. I have always enjoyed your work !!
I don't even like it when supposed gun guys or gals say "I got a new toy today" and they proceed to show the firearm they just purchased. That's a bad habit because if you think of them as toys you'll generally treat them as toys. I look at my firearms as tools. I have many tools and most of them are for a specific purpose or job.
Very well said, John. I've been a firearm advocate for a very long time and have carried a live weapon for personal protection for many years. You are correct in your safety methods. Always treat ANY gun as if it were live.
I'm a new sub and this was my first video to watch. Sir, you've summed up what everyone is expected to do when handling firearms, not just film makers. I heard the George Clooney interview where he said "it is the responsibility of the armorer or the prop master to ensure the gun is safe, period". Sounds ridiculous that anyone believes that, but "birds of a feather...". Ultimately it is the sole burden of whoever is holding the weapon. I'm glad to be a new member of this YT channel.
Well said and solid video John. Thanks for your insightful words. I am retired military (21 years) and was a weapons courier and inspector later in my career. From what I have seen, too much negligence and cascading safety protocol failures/lack of proper procedures in this case.
I've never been on a movie set, closest I've been is about 2 miles from "The Renegade" series was being filmed in San Diego. But I've been around guns my entire life (I'm 53) had full unfettered access to every gun in the house at 6 years old. I knew most of what you said, heard about the rest when Brandon Lee, Jon Erick-Hexum was killed, and now this again. Baldwin is ultimately responsible, he's the producer, hired the inexperienced armorer, and he was the last one to handle the gun. I've seen reports that the gun was used for target practice the night before, and live rounds stored close to the blanks. There was no lexan in front of the camera people either.
That's what I don't understand. Why would anyone stand behind the camera with someone pointing a gun at it even if that's part of the movie? They wouldn't stand behind the camera if a speeding truck was coming at it would they? It makes no sense.
@@Brett235 because this is Hollywood, this is Alec Baldwin, well known actor & producer, and she was a rising star who probably didn't want to rattle the cage too much, although according to some reports, true or not we don't know, she was aware and agreeing with complaints of lack of safety in the set. So it may seem she shut up & put up, the film was probably sold as an unmissable opportunity
@@Brett235 also Hollywood safety standards there's supposed to be bulletproof lexan in front of the camera, kinda like the mythbusters or Hollywood weapons use.
Thank you. First thing I was taught when going through firearms training during Basic Training at Ft. McClellan, Alabama many years ago was to always point your weapon up and down range. I've never forgotten those words as the Drill Sergeants yelled it out often. You never point a gun loaded or unloaded at a person. When handling my own gun I won't even point it in my dog's directions (loaded or unloaded).
EXCELLENT information with simple, understandable terms discussing gun safety on set and real life! Thanks John - this is a great review for both gun owners & people with "no clue" about the handling of guns!
John I totally agree with you. When I was 10 over 30 years ago & I noticed my Dad had a 22 he instantly took me out side to teach me gun safety & how to fire it & the one thing he told me never ever point a empty or loaded gun at anyone regardless & to always treat a gun as if it is loaded & that has always stuck with me. So I do not understand why Alex would ever point it at anyone regardless & why were live rounds on the set in the first place is my question. And one other thing Dad told me never trust anyone's word for it that a gun is empty.
Exactly! Never ever point a gun towards someone. I have buddies who own gun shops and I'm shocked how many people bring in their gun for repairs or inspection etc and they have a live round in the chamber! Clip out of the gun and the gun owner says it's been cleared only to find out it's not completely cleared. I own several firearms and served in the military and there should never be any "accidents" like the bumbling idiot Baldwin did. No excuses and zero tolerance IMO for this!
@@nashvillelewis-jones5666 There's quite a few UA-cam videos of Momo's like that going into gun stores and discharging "cleared" weapons. I'll never understand how some people are so nonchalant when it comes to weapons. I've always been extremely anal when it comes to safety & I think you have to be.
@@TaraConti I agree with you 100% when it comes to gun safety and common sense! Like I taught my kids growing up, it's simple, don't touch a burner on the stove and never presume a firearm is empty.
Has anyone seen the latest on who was in charge of the firearms on set? A fresh 24 yr old girl who recalled shooting pop cans on the site! Dear Lord what the hell is wrong with people! No brains or common sense.
I remember when you first came out with your videos and explanations. Now that the trial's going on, I'm watching them again to review. THANK you for all this clear, concise information. Very helpful, very point on descriptions. Thank you!
Well done, John. You have a really good UA-cam channel and I'm glad to see you continue to create relevant content. Of course I've been a fan all the way back to Dukes and I admire your ongoing commitment to addressing interesting topics, whether political, social, or just plain fun. Thanks and keep up the good work buddy.
Quite interesting John. As a want to be actor, it was a great educational discussion. I am a gun owner and I respect non gun owners wish to be without guns. As a Veteran of the Vietnam War Era, I know full well, something went terribly wrong and in my mind, I'm questioning it all as you are. God bless you for sharing your insights with us. I would say, most people know when handed a gun, before anything else you inspect that gun yourself in what ever situation you receive a weapon from another. ALWAYS
Thank you for your service in Vietnam. I agree totally with your comment. Treat any weapon as if it is loaded. Treat every range as if it is hot, until proven otherwise. Whoever has the weapon is totally responsible for the handling or mishandling of that weapon. The burden of responsibility falls DIRECTLY on Alec Baldwin. There could have been someone else involved in a criminal action, but, had he followed proper gun safety and protocol for sets, this would have never happened.
Informing the public on what the protocols and standards of the film industry on firearms and how they are used is something that most of the media seems willing to ignore simply to have the headline of “another gun shooting”. I thank you for the honesty of your craft and how you also work to protect the truth on firearms and the rights we all have.
Even my little grandson knows he is NEVER to point his toy guns at anyone! John is so genuine, personable and logical it's a breath of fresh air to watch this channel. I'm a new subscriber!
Alec was responsible to hire the "proper" people and the way it sounds, he was negligent in doing so. No matter how or what exactly happened, he is also responsible and should NOT be walking free. If I used my firearm in actual defense, I'd be in jail while the investigation was o going.
@@12secta81 you think not, try again, only way you are not arrested is if you have bail money and a judge grants bail be allowed. You have alot to learn. Obviously your oblivious to real life, just watching a self defense insurance video will tell you that much. Myself and entire family have been in law enforcement, and until it is evident you are not a threat or flight and were in the right, you will be under arrest.
@@TTiger86268 Not sure how you can be in law enforcement AND be wrong about this, unless you don't live in the United States. And forgive me if I don't take legal advice from someone who doesn't know how to spell.
@@12secta81 lol to funny, live in the US and always have, it's standard protocol which obviously you know nothing about. BTW, either you don't know how to spell or read, not 1 word was misspelled. Unless you also think spell check is wrong as well.
@@TTiger86268 "A lot" is two words. "Your" is possessive, you meant "you're". Above you said "to", you should have used "Too". Spell check does exactly that, not grammar. Sure, there are cases where someone can be arrested after a self defense shooting, but it is not automatic.
As a former Canadian Solider when i first heard the news FIRST Thing that hit my brain, the safety on that set was HORRID, and Alec should have checked ANY and ALL weapons placed into his hands, as we are trained in the military... Sad for the DP, anger at all who were negligent, including Alec
That's quite an assumption on your part. You have no idea what was going on. What if they asked him to pull the trigger so he knew what the action was like? What if they thought they had put a snap cap in it and wanted him to simulate firing it. You have no idea what was going on.
I appreciate the insight into how things work on a set. This aspect of how things work behind the scenes isn't something most of us outside of film and TV have any knowledge of.
Really appreciate your honesty and insight. This video reminded me of a song by Aaron Tippin. "You've got to stand for something". Keep up the great work and God bless.
From what I've heard and read they were setting up / rehearsing a shot (no pun intended) of Alec's character unholstering his gun, aiming, cocking the hammer and firing. The cinematographer was behind the camera with the director standing behind her. She was hit in the chest while the director was hit in the shoulder.
Supposedly she as a journalist had info on the Clintons. The Clintons list of associates or investigators who died of suicide is over 100. Alec is freemason. And Hutchins grew up in Russia. Her father was in the Russian navy.
I completely agree with everything you are saying here John. This information I am sharing here now is about 2 months after your video was posted. It is my understanding that the Armorer prepared 3 guns for that scene, 1. was a all rubber/plastic replica, 2. was a modified Colt long 45 that was most likely to be used for close up work and would only fire blanks but prevent anything from being discharged from the barrel. 3. an actual gun that was most likely to be used in scenes that the actor was far enough away from anyone or anything that using blanks would pose no danger if all the protocols were followed. After the Armorer prepared the guns and placed them on the prop cart she left them in the prop truck with the prop master while Hanna Reed the Armorer went to lunch. After lunch Hanna was on her way back to the prop truck when she was called away to another part of the set Sometime during Hanna's lunch break the prop master moved the cart off of the truck and over to the set where the gun was to be used. The prop master went back to the truck and left the cart unattended for approximately 15 to 20 minutes before the 1st AD came over to get one of the guns off the cart and took it to Alec Baldwin. Lots of protocols broken here and all need to be investigated thoroughly to the exclusion of all else. None of this excuses Alec Baldwin or relieves him of any of the responsibility. It still begs the question of "how did a live round get on the set and into that gun in the first place and why wasn't the gun checked by each person who was part of the chain of custody for that gun?
What you describe, sounds rather similar to aviation "I have control"..."you have control" dialogue between captain and copilot to avoid ambiguity. There are numerous examples of preventable accidents caused by incorrect communication. Air France flight 447 had the captain pulling up whilst the copilot was pushing down, actions which led the airbus to plunge into the Atlantic.
I don’t think you have any reason to apologize for the long video, John. As someone who knows nothing about guns or movie making I’ve had a lot of questions about this whole situation, and I’ve learned an awful lot because of these videos you’ve posted. I appreciate the information and the demonstrations and the explanations. The problem is that now that I have a better understanding of how things are supposed to work I’m even more livid than I was because it sounds like multiple people must have deliberately chosen not to do their jobs properly in order for this to have happened. But thank you for explaining everything so thoroughly and answering so many of my questions.
Uh oh! My "Prop Cannon" went off ... and Alec Baldwin's trailer went away. I have heard his first response to shooting his crew was....Who handed me a hot gun? Unforgivable. Love you John.
Well done John, you saying exactly what people are thinking who have used firearms, thanks for the extra insight from behind the scenes in "film world", it isn't a whole lot different to how we do it in the military either, seems impossible we could be here after the Brandon Lee incident, but here we are :( Corporate manslaughter at a minimum or worse.
Thank you John, for this explanation of gun handling and safety on set. You are 100 percent correct; there is no way that a live round could have been fired if multiple safety protocols along the way hadn't been neglected. This tragedy was completely preventable. Very sad.
John I grew up watching you thinking D of H was a documentary for how to drive. .ha! As a licensed and certified instructor and court certified expert on the subject I applaud you for these two videos. Thank you so much for interjecting some common sense into this discussion. The rest of us are screaming it from the tops of our lungs but you sir have the platform to get people to listen. If Baldwin had hired you as EP in charge of firearms this could not have happened on his set.
The 4 universal rules of gun safety are: 1 Treat all guns as if they are always loaded. FAIL 2 Never let the muzzle point at anything that you are not willing to destroy. FAIL 3 Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you have made the decision to shoot. PROBABLE FAIL 4 Be sure of your target and what is behind it. FAIL If it is a real firearm, you follow these rules NO MATTER WHAT. Never, ever, not on a bus, or on a train, or with a giraffe, or on a raft... NEVER. Not even the elite movie makers. He straight up killed that lady, at a minimum it should be man slaughter. If he wasn't a liberal diva, he'd be in trouble.
Thank you for such a detailed explanation on what should’ve happened and what obviously didn’t happen. I appreciate you taking the time to make this video. All those responsible for this tragic loss should be held accountable.
I think the length was perfect! That was very informative. There are lots of things those of who are not involved in the industry don't know. I greatly appreciate your thorough explanation. Let's hope they are able to find the answer to those two questions.
John, Thank you for coming on your channel explaining between a real ammo vs dummy rounds. I used to watch dukes of Hazzard when I was growing up because of you John you were very good looking.
I am going to raise the point that during a filming break, they took that gun out for "target practice"... That's one of the stories going around at this point.. But it still in NO WAY negates the safety protocols that should be in place to protect everyone on set.. Well said John.. Much respect from South Carolina..👋😃
Gun laws about car carry vary state to state and have changed over time. In Louisiana, where you live, you can have bullets anywhere you want, gun hidden in the car or openly carried on your person. If you have a conceal permit you can wear it concealed.
John I love that you made this post, and your right safety first! That's the first thing I learned when I took my gun safety course! Thank you for reaching out and explaining everything. What a horrible tragedy! Prayers to all!
Most states have what's called castle law and you are allowed to carry a loaded gun in your car as long as it is visible. I know that is true for here in Tennessee. But you are correct sir! Keep up the good work!
@@HIMOTHYCOMMENTS in my ccw class they said it had it be visible. If it is out of sight or hidden it was considered concealed and owner had to have a permit. Visible to who was left kinda gray.
I think Tennessee made it legal to carry without a permit anymore. Wasn't that law signed effective in July? Honestly I don't own a gun but support the right to own and carry.
Thank you, John. I saw your presentation on the news...not enough time. This is so important, needs the thorough explanation that you're providing. So again, thank you. Such a tragedy, my heart goes out to all involved. Going to get messy....
These kinds of "accidents" (I put that in quotes because perhaps it was no accident at all) make cinematography going forward seem more dangerous and makes the art of making movies more difficult, and may even have a cooling effect on the will to make action movies at all. It's bad for the industry.
As a producer, director and actor and having a many years experience of being on a set one would think Alec Baldwin would be familiar with this procedure before he would just grab a gun and start messing with it. I have by now heard so many versions of what took place before the gun was fired I could write a book. It seems everybody has their own version of it. This is the latest: Souza spoke to investigators Friday, according to the affidavit released by the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office on Sunday. Souza told them Baldwin was "sitting in a pew in a church building setting, and he was practicing a cross draw," the affidavit said. A cross draw is when a shooter pulls the weapon from a holster on the opposite side of the body from the draw hand.
He is a liberal and a non thinker. Being around liberals is like driving a car. No matter how safe you drive you still have to watch out for the other guy because there are some real idiots on the road
Definitely interesting to hear what the protocols have been, and should have been in this case from someone like John with the experience he has. Very interesting and appreciate the video John!
What happens next? Will Alec go on an anti-gun rampage now, where he urges everyone to surrender their Weopons so it won't happen to YOUR loved ones? What was the (other) movie project that the target..I mean cinematographer was working on? This was no accident.
He will probably tell you you are killing grandma if you don't turn your firearm in. And how it's really our fault this accident happened. If it were not for all of us gun lovers he would not be making a movie with guns.
This was an accident. According to OSHA all accidents are preventable. No matter how gross then confidence is you still have to show intent. At best they could get them for negligence but we all damn well know liberals don't get prosecuted... especially since everyone knows he did not do it on purpose. A conservative would probably already be in jail. But your common liberal especially a friend of Obama and the clintons will definitely get a free pass. If for no other reason because he has been to Epstein Island
I already used your Newsmax interview against some, "We need to stop gun violence." ignorance. Thanks for this longer explanation of how it SHOULD go on a movie/tv set.
I have been following your clear and concise feedback on this, more than the so-called credible news sources. My limited set knowledge will totally agree with you Sir. A very tragic but clearly negligent event. Someone is absolutely at 'fault' here putting a live round anywhere near this set! Madness.
Thank you for this John! I have been on stage many times and directed plays where we had real and fake guns. The rule always is that, real or fake, it was always treated as a loaded gun and NEVER pointed at a person. Period.
Your never too long or boring. We like hearing you talk and explaining things. Obviously, as I`m commenting you have 83,184 views 2,123 comments and over 10K in likes. Not bad! So no need to apologize. Carry on...
Does anyone know the make and model of the gun used? I've seen reports that it was a Colt Navy revolver, which would be period accurate. But that is a cap and ball revolver, unless it's a conversion. Cap and ball weapons do not fire modern self-contained brass cartridges, you have to load the powder (which is in paper and looks almost like a stubby joint) and the projectile in the front of the cylinder (the Navy even has a lever under the barrel to tamp it in), then on the back of cylinder you put percussion caps which the hammer then ignites. Modern cartridges put all of that stuff in a single package. The point is, a gun like that wouldn't even fire regular blanks, unless it was a conversion modified to do so. You could just put the powder in by itself without the ball. I'd be really interested to know exactly what it was, and if those reports are accurate
Excellent point I thought of that too. I don't think Baldwin would be smart enough to have them actually use a gun like that one that is actually historically correct. And in that case all you have to do is leave the primer off. And it would be pretty damn obvious if there was a primer on it and you were pointing and shooting it. But as we all know Alec Baldwin wouldn't even know anything about a black powder weapon. Other than smoking marijuana out of the barrel
Even if it was a Colt 1851 Navy, it would most likely be converted for cartridge blanks... like Clint Eastwood's in "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly"... that movie is suppose to be during the Civil War. Cartridge Conversations didn't come out until after the Civil War. But there are scenes in "The Outlaw Josey Wales" where you can see there was no caps on the nipples of Josey's Colt Walkers, in other scenes they are cartridge conversations to fire blanks
Great info, John. Seems the focus is on Dave Hall as the scapegoat, he handed the gun to Baldwin. But everyone involved is responsible, every step of the way. Baldwin had a real gun pointed at ppl & fired, a gun that he didn’t check. The armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, is the daughter of an armorer Thell Reed. I keep reading about the lack of safety & training, ppl quit, newbies hired; a rushed production; guns used for off-time target practice; ammo & blanks stored together. This tragedy could have been avoided. Drastic changes should be made to avoid this from happening again.
There's an episode of Psych with almost this exact scenario except with a "prop" knife. Very bizarre to see it happen in real life as an "accident." Thank you for all the information, it was helpful. I kept wondering why people were calling it a "prop" gun if it was capable of shooting real bullets. I agree, no one with a healthy respect and knowledge of firearms would make that mistake.
A "prop" is an item belonging to the properties department. It can be anything placed on the set or used by the talent. To have a fully functional gun on set or used by talent may be the exception but it is still a prop. The word "prop" does not convey imitation or non-functional.
Awesome belt buckle!!! Thank you for explaining this! My 17 yr old Aspie son’s hobby is period weapons and explained a lot of this to me, but a lot of folks don’t know that there are very strict protocols in place on film sets.
Thank you. In Baldwin's "statement" he behaved as tho' he bore no responsibility to ensure the weapon was safe. Everyone who puts a hand on it, bears that responsibility!
Totally agree with you!
Certainly agree!! Interesting to see how the police, and prosecutor look at it, but absolute negligence on all counts!!
Lawyer approved post. Even saying “I’m sorry” is nowadays considered an admission of guilt.
Of course not he is a pompous ass. I'll be surprised if Joe Biden doesn't give him some kind of metal out of this for raising gun safety awareness
Right?! I’m reading posts where people are letting him off because it’s not his job, he’s just the actor…
I love that you are the one explaining how this works. Guns are tools, loaded or not, they are always loaded.
Exactly! You can never be too safe when handling a gun, but I don't expect 99% of these Hollywood actors to understand this when they practically have people to wipe their asses for them.
... until verified otherwise. Best way to transfer a firearm person to person, is with the chamber exposed or parade rest.
Unfortunately, it's SOME of the IRRESPONSIBLE who get their hands on them and cause accidents. I take that back. They cause 'ON PURPOSES' UNTIL they discover they're now in trouble, THEN they call them "accidents", 'cause THIS SHOOTING WAS ABSOLUTELY PREVENTABLE. But IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARD, his eyes were OPENED and he realized how much TROUBLE he is in and the TERROR set into his mind. Perhaps the SAME WAY that Adam and Eve's eyes were opened IMMEDIATELY AFTER they ate the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden and the TERROR set into their minds? Like the old saying goes, "It's all fun and games til somebody gets hurt, or killed!"
My heart goes out to her husband and child, family and friends.
@@glenturney4750 "Absolutely preventable" sums up every negligent firearm discharge ever!
6:23 there's a point on the edge of the "hammer" not "trigger". But still John well explains the overall process and workings to the viewers
“Hammer and primer” are the correct terms. I said “Trigger and cap” in the video. I stand corrected. Thanks for the info.
Some folks can't extrapolate. You are fine using the near correct language.
Glad you clarified, us reloaders get funny about terminology. Sidenote, a primer alone with no powder in the cartridge has enough power to push a bullet in the barrel, usually gets lodged there. So a dummy round would be deprimed, no primer or a spent primer. Most reloaders keep dummys to reset your bullet seating die when changing bullet types. Sorry for the longevity, I get carried away when it comes to guns., Love your content.
Hammer has a firing pin. For those into padantics
@UCRuWpB9as6FvjMI50vY52ag He already said to make the scene look authentic. To create realism. If you follow the rules,of which there are many wether the gun is real of just capable of shooting blanks should not matter unless there is clear intent and even then there should be checks and balances to prevent that
Live round cartridge = casing + primer + charge (powder = propellant) + bullet (projectile). There is no primer on the back of a bullet. Get the terminology right. It is confusing for the ignorant. The same as: Is it clip or magazine? There is no such thing as a accidental discharge of a firearm. It is unintentional (negligence) 'or' international operator action. An firearm accident occurs with a mechanical or wrong load fault without "operator" fault. Discharge of a firearm requires human kinetic input be it negligent or intentional. Ultimately no matter who handled the firearm, the operator is responsible for what the firearm does. A static firearm, even loaded and hot, can not/will not discharge. Though this is a tragic happening, realize that vehicle drivers unintentionally kill many times more people ever day than firearm operators.
I am an armorer for a large 1850’s theatrical production. I’m oversee close to 100 weapons including knives, swords and a cannon.
John, the way you describe things in this video is EXACTLY the way I run my set. EXACTLY. Whenever I have a new actor, they go through my gun safely lecture. I always overview gun safety every day when we use weapons. It ONLY runs my way or it doesn’t run at all. I am appalled at how this happened and discussed in Alec’s behavior.
I would not take on your responsibility today. I grew up around guns and we always had to check it even if you just saw some one unload it.
I wouldn't be surprised if he loaded it himself with a few rounds in his pocket and did it on purpose.
@@Kriswixx geez
Why was Alec pointing the gun, even if it was cold, which it wasn't, at anyone period? Especially just to practice a cross draw allegedly? Everything about the official narrative so far is very suspect.
Exactly
What I read was that he was aiming towards the camera which had the cinematographer and director behind it. But like he said proper protocol would be that no one should have been there.
The cinematographer and director are often right behind the camera. The script called for the actor to shoot someone, but the scene calls for the gun to be aimed right at the camera when it's fired for a dramatic effect, so the audience sees as if they are being shot at. This is a very common scene in just about every TV show or movie drama. Sure they probably could have used a mirror for that view, but depending on the scene, the amount of space on set, weather, etc, may not have been useable.
@ Matthew Handley Exactly!
Thanks Mr Schneider! That's what I want to know; why Alec aimed at her!?
My father taught me, years ago. It is standard required protocol if handed a gun, you check and see if it's armed or loaded. When you hand the gun back to a person, they would do the same. Never take anyone word on condition of the gun with or without bullets Thanks John, looking forward to your return to Chattanooga soon. .
That's what I was taught also to have the breach open and if it is a revolver have the cylinder swung out and open. I was taught that in my law enforcement class in college.
@Mark. I echo this comment…
The first thing my dad taught me was never take a gun and assume it’s empty. Always check and NEVER point it at anyone unless you plan on killing them.
It happens every single time on the range - Every.Single.Time. You clear it, hand it over and they clear it. Why?
To stop this negligent bullshit, and accidental killings.
@@JDAfrica the person who has the final grasp, responsible to be sure it is cleared before its fired toward a target. Baldwin should have checked it himself, found the hot bullet(s), disarmed the gun of the bullets and had the people who supposedly checked it and passed on to him immediately fired and possible arrested if it was criminal intent.
@@ChattanoogaLiveMusic agreed.
But also remember:
- 2 days before, his stunt double fired 2 live rounds, was told it was a prop gun, and no safety briefing or Investigation.
- the armourer and crew were taking the prop guns into the desert and shooting cans, or playing with them.
- the armourer kept live rounds and blanks in the same place.
- the AD (assistant director) was accessing and handing over guns. Which broke the chain of custody. ONLY the armourer should give out and recover the weapons - that’s her job.
- the 23 year old armourer was previously kicked off Nicholas Cages movie and set, because she was reckless, and kept firing pistols without warning.
- Baldwin clearly ignored proper gun safety, and protocol. He was the last cog in this machine, the fail safe. But, virtually every safety protocol was ignored.
All valid points John. I served in the Army Infantry, We were taught to always verbalize when inspecting, handling or clearing weapons. It is a habit that I use in everyday life. Accidents are rarely caused by a single event, It is usually a daisy chain of safety protocols and procedures that are overlooked,or are not followed due to complacency and overconfidence that precede and finally culminate into disaster.
Exactly!!
So wonderfully put. Thank you for that. I hope a lot of people read your comment!
Well put. Baldwin is 100% responsible
Thank you for your service 💞
@@JohnSchneiderStudios Thank you for explaining how guns work on a set. I knew shenanigans were up when I heard about the incident and had suspicions because these things don't happen normally. All I can say is that, I suspect someone put a real bullet in that chamber because they wanted to kill someone. Even so, Alec Baldwin knew better. He should have been trained better.
In my point of view, this is negligence or a degree of manslaughter.
Everything you said is correct and it was also professionally explained. It's always great to hear from someone who works hard to make things right the first time. Thank you, John. God bless
You are absolutely right ✔️💯
Thank you John! Keep talking...We need the explanation. Some of us grew up watching the Baldwin Brothers.
I have to tell you: There is a legion of old military firearm instructors (and a whole passel of regular old infantrymen) who are losing their minds over the failure path of this incident. Thanks for the explanation!
Took the words right out of my mouth. 100% fact on everything he said.
He was wrong about assuming a primer with a dent is safe.A light strike makes a dent but does fire.It will fire a second time it is hit.
According to reports so far, sadly no cameras were rolling at the time. It was a rehearsal where Baldwin was practicing his quick draw. Sheriff's department found live rounds stored with blanks on set and found out that the crew was taking the firearms to the range when not on set. There are multiple protocols (all) being broken in the management of weapons on this set.
No cameras/ cell phone vids?...how convenient, and rare! (nowadays!)
So my next question, why are went looking heavily at the prop master and armorer?
These people failed! Just keeping the live rounds near set is an issue.
These 2 need to be examined.
What Alec did by not checking was stupid, but we still weren't there.
What we DO KNOW is there's people who's job it was, is to maintain and keep the weapons, load them, secure them. They are primarily at fault.
The live round didn't come from Alec.
And thats where we will find our guilty verdict.
@@TheRealMediaMan I don’t care if a gunsmith handed me a brand new gun right out of the box, I WOULD “CHECK”IT! (Simple common sense!)....In other words, the last person,who ever it is,to hold a “potentially”deadly firearm is “IT”,and responsible for the SAFETY status of that gun! (Especially if you’re going to be “slinging” it around like an idiot around other people!)...end of story!
@@TheRealMediaMan exactly!
@@JohnDgr81 if you look natural the job responsibilities of the prop master and armorer you'd see they will be held primarily accountable.
If we don't go after whoever mixed live rounds, who kept live rounds on set, who loaded live rounds, who left tye weapons unsecured and allowed for live fire.... this will happen again.
They need to be rooted out
I only worked on one movie ("Eastwood's Pink Cadillac"). There were LOTS of firearms on that set and I was duly impressed by how they were handled. Eastwood's "armorer" was an old, very German fellow who kept strict control over all things gun. If anything was not in his sightline, it was locked up . He just dripped professionalism. Only him and his assistant had the key. The assistant's key was an emergency one only to be used if the German guy was dead. Ammo was obviously not properly controlled on Baldwin's set.
Police evidence photos and documents state that the box of "dummy rounds"that Hannah Gutierrez read was loading Alec Baldwin's firearm with all day had 13 live rounds and three dummy rounds in it.
Two of the actors that had gun belts on unknowingly possessed live rounds in their gun belts.
I can't remember his first name so I'll just call him Mr. Kelly from PDQ prop and arms in Santa Fe has a lot to answer for.
The first assistant director and Mr Kelly's police interviews are the only ones that have not been fully released by the department so I believe they are working on a case.
It is my opinion that during Alec Baldwin's mini Cross draw rehearsals he unknowingly applied enough pressure for the trigger to be depressed therefore bypassing the sear safety notches on the bottom of the hammer once he started manipulating it to the rear lining up the camera angle. While he actively had the trigger squeezed he either accidentally lost control of the hammer or let It slam down on that chambered life round causing it to go off.
He may not have consciously pulled that trigger but on a single action army it does not matter which order you cock and pull for it to be operable. You can fan the hammer..
John, that was the most clear explanation of the protocol of how guns are required to be handled on set. As you stated, there should never be live ammo anywhere near a set. A tragic combination of criminality and negligence.
Well said !
I agree thank you John for explaining that to those of us who know nothing about guns. It was clear and makes complete common sense
Please go on Timcast IRL, or Joe Rogan and explain this, more people need to know this. You explained it so well.
yes Joe Rogan
And Timcast
TimcastIRL talking about John's later video disassembling a Colt 45 on their show in the past 24 hours is what led me here.
@@AstanaxKnight same
Whoever walks in integrity walks securely, but he who makes his ways crooked will be found out.
Haven't heard that in a long time. So very suitable in this case.👍
Is this in the book of Proverbs?
@@glenturney4750 Proverbs 10:9
The person who is ultimately responsible is the person holding the weapon. If the armorer and asst director failed in their responsibilities, that doesn't absolve Mr Baldwin from failing in his responsibility. He's just as culpable as the person who handed him the pistol, if not more so.
Baldwin should have also checked it before using it in the scene. But I agree a real weapon should not be on set.
@@khirastielper2867 Real weapons are used on set all the time. It's a question of how they are handled, just as John explained.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 okay then check it before use don't take someone else's word. This was tragic and could of been avoided.
Exactly right. Just like you or I would be responsible if we "accidentally" shot someone while cleaning our firearms, it's called negligent homicide if I'm not mistaken.
@@Brett235 "Culpable Negligence", a term I learned in jury duty.
It's never a Single Point of Failure. I learned, when I was Active Duty in the US Navy; a Series of Small Failures will lead to Catastrophe. Like you pointed out, there were at least 3 points of failure.
Well said and explained. Thank you.
I worked for 10 years in the logging industry and 30 years in the mining industry. When conditions got dangerous, I never once seen as much as someone get a splinter in their finger. It was when things were routine that injuries happened. When firearms are involved, it should always be considered dangerous because it is.
John, this is a fantastic explanation of what should have happened. I personally didn’t know exactly what was supposed to be done on set but I knew there’s no way this should have slipped through so many hands.
John, is absolutely 100% correct; you treat all firearms as if they are loaded until it is verified as being cleared (empty)! God Bless
You are absolutely correct. I walked out of a gun store once because the salesman handed me a weapon without clearing it. I cleared it when he handed it to me and he rolled his eyes and said, "it's not loaded dude". Gun safety is not hard, but it does require discipline.
Actually, even AFTER you clear it you still treat it like it's loaded.
Thank you for taking rime to explain the details. Your lifelong fan Pam from Michigan
Hi John! In my opinion there’s no need to apologize for a long video when you have taken the time to explain everything so well. Thank you for taking that time! Thank you for your service to the Vets out there! 🇺🇸
God Bless and Take Care! 🙂
I have carried at least one firearm daily for almost 35 years and everything you said is correct. (Although, some of the terminology might have been a little off; not faulting you at all.) Dry fire is a big part of a lot of the training for many who carry a firearm. The safety procedures one goes through before a dry fire exercise is similar. No rounds anywhere in the room. Check, re-check, and check again to make sure the weapon is clear before beginning exercises. At other times, when we handle firearms, we make clear and double check. Everyone who subsequently has possession of that same firearm checks for clear. There are advantages to being raised around firearms in that the likelihood is high of being familiar with function, safety rules, and potentially dire consequences of ignoring safety rules. I have instructed countless people and children on firearms (and self-defense) over the decades. I am saddened by how many I encounter today that have no basic knowledge of firearms and firearm safety. When I was a child, it was common knowledge and much of it was considered common sense. Perhaps elective classes on firearms could be offered in public schools, colleges, and universities. That might go a long way for firearm safety and for strengthening support for the individual right to keep and bear arms.
John Schneider is a true American treasure.
Good morning John! I heard you speak on newsmax today! I agree there was no protocol whatsoever . I fear noone will be held accountable as usual.
I just saw an interview with you talking about Roscoe. John, I know I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You've been one of my heros since I was a little kid, and you are still one of my heros today. I appreciate everything you do. Keep up the good work!
Ditto
Likewise. 👍
Damn right
James Best was a great person.
FINALLY..someone explains this stuff. Thank you, John.
Thank you John for stating this. I very much enjoy listening to your perspective on things. This is by far the best channel I’ve subscribed to and knowing what a good and real person you are is very refreshing.
Thank you for taking the time to clearly explain this to everyone! Such a senseless tragedy that should never have happened.
John, I'm glad I looked up to you as a kid, because you are a Stand Up Soul in this age of insanity. Sure enough, this situation wreaks, and it's only the beginning. Gets more interesting by the day.......
Every kid looked up to him. He's much taller than a kid.
No live bullets period.john sir you are a wise man.peace
John I clearly understood your interview on the earlier news station. Like I said, in my statement: that interview could be used in a courtroom testimony. I’ve always looked at a weapon as fully loaded and treated as so.
Thank You John for painting such fact based scenarios with multiple perspectives and sincerely honest humanity.
Thank you John for posting this. I was brought up to first treat every gun like it is loaded and secondly never point a gun at anyone. I know it's different with movies, but we were told as kids this. Great explanation.
Yes I would love to know how it went through 2-3 hands that were suppose to be checking it and no one caught that there were live rounds in it. And why was it pointed at the 2 people that got shot “by accident”. Can’t wait for your next video on this John. Thank you for taking time out of your day to make these videos, I appreciate it.
Complacency and being lazy
I've heard speculation that his character wears a holster and draws the gun like in a western. It's possible he was rehearsing his draw.
Safety,knowledge and protocol…… thank you for sharing this.
Which Alec's production crew should have full knowledge of!
John, I love your posts. It's a tragedy that should have never happened. I own firearms and safety is ALWAYS my top priority. I will not be around anyone who treats firearms like toys and "assumes" they aren't loaded. My deepest sympathy goes out to the family who lost their loved one. Your video is crystal clear and raises some important issues. Keep up the great videos. I have always enjoyed your work !!
I don't even like it when supposed gun guys or gals say "I got a new toy today" and they proceed to show the firearm they just purchased. That's a bad habit because if you think of them as toys you'll generally treat them as toys. I look at my firearms as tools. I have many tools and most of them are for a specific purpose or job.
Very well said, John. I've been a firearm advocate for a very long time and have carried a live weapon for personal protection for many years. You are correct in your safety methods. Always treat ANY gun as if it were live.
Always carry live and hot
I'm a new sub and this was my first video to watch. Sir, you've summed up what everyone is expected to do when handling firearms, not just film makers. I heard the George Clooney interview where he said "it is the responsibility of the armorer or the prop master to ensure the gun is safe, period". Sounds ridiculous that anyone believes that, but "birds of a feather...". Ultimately it is the sole burden of whoever is holding the weapon. I'm glad to be a new member of this YT channel.
Well said and solid video John. Thanks for your insightful words. I am retired military (21 years) and was a weapons courier and inspector later in my career. From what I have seen, too much negligence and cascading safety protocol failures/lack of proper procedures in this case.
This is solid and sound and logic argument of a real expert anybody can understand!
I've never been on a movie set, closest I've been is about 2 miles from "The Renegade" series was being filmed in San Diego. But I've been around guns my entire life (I'm 53) had full unfettered access to every gun in the house at 6 years old. I knew most of what you said, heard about the rest when Brandon Lee, Jon Erick-Hexum was killed, and now this again. Baldwin is ultimately responsible, he's the producer, hired the inexperienced armorer, and he was the last one to handle the gun. I've seen reports that the gun was used for target practice the night before, and live rounds stored close to the blanks. There was no lexan in front of the camera people either.
That's what I don't understand. Why would anyone stand behind the camera with someone pointing a gun at it even if that's part of the movie? They wouldn't stand behind the camera if a speeding truck was coming at it would they? It makes no sense.
@@Brett235 because this is Hollywood, this is Alec Baldwin, well known actor & producer, and she was a rising star who probably didn't want to rattle the cage too much, although according to some reports, true or not we don't know, she was aware and agreeing with complaints of lack of safety in the set. So it may seem she shut up & put up, the film was probably sold as an unmissable opportunity
@@Brett235 also Hollywood safety standards there's supposed to be bulletproof lexan in front of the camera, kinda like the mythbusters or Hollywood weapons use.
@@Brett235 Why was his finger ON the trigger?!!!Why did he pull the trigger?!!! It was a rehearsal. No live action was being taped at that point!!! 😡🙁
Thank you. First thing I was taught when going through firearms training during Basic Training at Ft. McClellan, Alabama many years ago was to always point your weapon up and down range. I've never forgotten those words as the Drill Sergeants yelled it out often. You never point a gun loaded or unloaded at a person. When handling my own gun I won't even point it in my dog's directions (loaded or unloaded).
EXCELLENT information with simple, understandable terms discussing gun safety on set and real life! Thanks John - this is a great review for both gun owners & people with "no clue" about the handling of guns!
Excellent commentary and explanation especially about the hand off and making sure chamber is clear!
Hello 👋..... How are you doing today. ?????
John I totally agree with you. When I was 10 over 30 years ago & I noticed my Dad had a 22 he instantly took me out side to teach me gun safety & how to fire it & the one thing he told me never ever point a empty or loaded gun at anyone regardless & to always treat a gun as if it is loaded & that has always stuck with me. So I do not understand why Alex would ever point it at anyone regardless & why were live rounds on the set in the first place is my question. And one other thing Dad told me never trust anyone's word for it that a gun is empty.
Exactly! Never ever point a gun towards someone. I have buddies who own gun shops and I'm shocked how many people bring in their gun for repairs or inspection etc and they have a live round in the chamber! Clip out of the gun and the gun owner says it's been cleared only to find out it's not completely cleared. I own several firearms and served in the military and there should never be any "accidents" like the bumbling idiot Baldwin did. No excuses and zero tolerance IMO for this!
The first lesson even a child can understand
@@nashvillelewis-jones5666 There's quite a few UA-cam videos of Momo's like that going into gun stores and discharging "cleared" weapons.
I'll never understand how some people are so nonchalant when it comes to weapons.
I've always been extremely anal when it comes to safety & I think you have to be.
@@TaraConti I agree with you 100% when it comes to gun safety and common sense! Like I taught my kids growing up, it's simple, don't touch a burner on the stove and never presume a firearm is empty.
Has anyone seen the latest on who was in charge of the firearms on set? A fresh 24 yr old girl who recalled shooting pop cans on the site! Dear Lord what the hell is wrong with people! No brains or common sense.
I just pray that the "wrong" person is not held accountable.
I remember when you first came out with your videos and explanations. Now that the trial's going on, I'm watching them again to review. THANK you for all this clear, concise information. Very helpful, very point on descriptions. Thank you!
Well done, John. You have a really good UA-cam channel and I'm glad to see you continue to create relevant content. Of course I've been a fan all the way back to Dukes and I admire your ongoing commitment to addressing interesting topics, whether political, social, or just plain fun. Thanks and keep up the good work buddy.
Quite interesting John. As a want to be actor, it was a great educational discussion. I am a gun owner and I respect non gun owners wish to be without guns. As a Veteran of the Vietnam War Era, I know full well, something went terribly wrong and in my mind, I'm questioning it all as you are. God bless you for sharing your insights with us. I would say, most people know when handed a gun, before anything else you inspect that gun yourself in what ever situation you receive a weapon from another. ALWAYS
Thank you for your service in Vietnam. I agree totally with your comment. Treat any weapon as if it is loaded. Treat every range as if it is hot, until proven otherwise. Whoever has the weapon is totally responsible for the handling or mishandling of that weapon. The burden of responsibility falls DIRECTLY on Alec Baldwin. There could have been someone else involved in a criminal action, but, had he followed proper gun safety and protocol for sets, this would have never happened.
Semper Fi... from a Vietnam Era Vet!
Thanks John, great video. It's good to hear someone's Pro-Gun view and explanation about this tragic accident !
Apparently, the so called ‘prop’ gun was also being used for target practice. This is no accident. Hopefully, Justice will be served to alec.
He is an elite. Nothing will happen. Remember the only color that matters is green.
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Agreed
@@nunnabeeswax2397 you are right
@@nunnabeeswax2397 Alec might be a pair of Loose Lips, so the Luthors of our world want him silent.
Informing the public on what the protocols and standards of the film industry on firearms and how they are used is something that most of the media seems willing to ignore simply to have the headline of “another gun shooting”. I thank you for the honesty of your craft and how you also work to protect the truth on firearms and the rights we all have.
Even my little grandson knows he is NEVER to point his toy guns at anyone!
John is so genuine, personable and logical it's a breath of fresh air to watch this channel. I'm a new subscriber!
Alec was responsible to hire the "proper" people and the way it sounds, he was negligent in doing so. No matter how or what exactly happened, he is also responsible and should NOT be walking free. If I used my firearm in actual defense, I'd be in jail while the investigation was o going.
That is not true. You would not be in jail while the investigation takes place. Stop with the misinformation.
@@12secta81 you think not, try again, only way you are not arrested is if you have bail money and a judge grants bail be allowed. You have alot to learn. Obviously your oblivious to real life, just watching a self defense insurance video will tell you that much. Myself and entire family have been in law enforcement, and until it is evident you are not a threat or flight and were in the right, you will be under arrest.
@@TTiger86268 Not sure how you can be in law enforcement AND be wrong about this, unless you don't live in the United States. And forgive me if I don't take legal advice from someone who doesn't know how to spell.
@@12secta81 lol to funny, live in the US and always have, it's standard protocol which obviously you know nothing about.
BTW, either you don't know how to spell or read, not 1 word was misspelled. Unless you also think spell check is wrong as well.
@@TTiger86268 "A lot" is two words. "Your" is possessive, you meant "you're". Above you said "to", you should have used "Too". Spell check does exactly that, not grammar. Sure, there are cases where someone can be arrested after a self defense shooting, but it is not automatic.
John, I’m so thankful for you being here, and doing what you do. Much appreciated.
As a former Canadian Solider when i first heard the news FIRST Thing that hit my brain, the safety on that set was HORRID, and Alec should have checked ANY and ALL weapons placed into his hands, as we are trained in the military...
Sad for the DP, anger at all who were negligent, including Alec
Speaks volumes about Alec eh?
That's quite an assumption on your part. You have no idea what was going on. What if they asked him to pull the trigger so he knew what the action was like? What if they thought they had put a snap cap in it and wanted him to simulate firing it. You have no idea what was going on.
@@12secta81 and neither do you.
@@jediknightjairinaiki560 Edited, because you and I agree on this. I admit that I don't know, which is more than I can say for this comment section.
I appreciate the insight into how things work on a set. This aspect of how things work behind the scenes isn't something most of us outside of film and TV have any knowledge of.
Really appreciate your honesty and insight. This video reminded me of a song by Aaron Tippin. "You've got to stand for something". Keep up the great work and God bless.
Thank you for this...I agree they keep cutting you off, it's frustrating. There is an anointing on you for this... God Bless
Too many questions and craziness surrounding this whole thing, but why was Alec firing a supposed prop gun at a Cinematographer? Makes no sense.
Thats my main question as well
They were probably setting up or rehearsing a scene.
From what I've heard and read they were setting up / rehearsing a shot (no pun intended) of Alec's character unholstering his gun, aiming, cocking the hammer and firing. The cinematographer was behind the camera with the director standing behind her. She was hit in the chest while the director was hit in the shoulder.
@@jediknightjairinaiki560 Correct, except I think she was hit in the stomach.
Supposedly she as a journalist had info on the Clintons. The Clintons list of associates or investigators who died of suicide is over 100.
Alec is freemason.
And Hutchins grew up in Russia. Her father was in the Russian navy.
I seen the interview on Newsmax. Everything you said was spot on.
John "Bo Duke" Schneider, we love you. You made my childhood great. Thanks for this information on behind the scenes protocol in gun safety & filming.
I completely agree with everything you are saying here John. This information I am sharing here now is about 2 months after your video was posted. It is my understanding that the Armorer prepared 3 guns for that scene, 1. was a all rubber/plastic replica, 2. was a modified Colt long 45 that was most likely to be used for close up work and would only fire blanks but prevent anything from being discharged from the barrel. 3. an actual gun that was most likely to be used in scenes that the actor was far enough away from anyone or anything that using blanks would pose no danger if all the protocols were followed. After the Armorer prepared the guns and placed them on the prop cart she left them in the prop truck with the prop master while Hanna Reed the Armorer went to lunch. After lunch Hanna was on her way back to the prop truck when she was called away to another part of the set Sometime during Hanna's lunch break the prop master moved the cart off of the truck and over to the set where the gun was to be used. The prop master went back to the truck and left the cart unattended for approximately 15 to 20 minutes before the 1st AD came over to get one of the guns off the cart and took it to Alec Baldwin.
Lots of protocols broken here and all need to be investigated thoroughly to the exclusion of all else. None of this excuses Alec Baldwin or relieves him of any of the responsibility. It still begs the question of "how did a live round get on the set and into that gun in the first place and why wasn't the gun checked by each person who was part of the chain of custody for that gun?
What you describe, sounds rather similar to aviation "I have control"..."you have control" dialogue between captain and copilot to avoid ambiguity. There are numerous examples of preventable accidents caused by incorrect communication. Air France flight 447 had the captain pulling up whilst the copilot was pushing down, actions which led the airbus to plunge into the Atlantic.
Very good description. And I agree don’t see how that could possibly happen. Very sad. Thanks for the description. Very good video.
The Dukes gave me a moral compass thank you. I watched every episode over and over, always watched when it aired new.
I don’t think you have any reason to apologize for the long video, John. As someone who knows nothing about guns or movie making I’ve had a lot of questions about this whole situation, and I’ve learned an awful lot because of these videos you’ve posted. I appreciate the information and the demonstrations and the explanations. The problem is that now that I have a better understanding of how things are supposed to work I’m even more livid than I was because it sounds like multiple people must have deliberately chosen not to do their jobs properly in order for this to have happened. But thank you for explaining everything so thoroughly and answering so many of my questions.
This explains a lot since many people are either afraid or never shot a gun. Thank you for this thorough explanation, Mr. Schneider.
Uh oh! My "Prop Cannon" went off ... and Alec Baldwin's trailer went away. I have heard his first response to shooting his crew was....Who handed me a hot gun?
Unforgivable. Love you John.
I appreciate you. Thank you for all your posts.
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Well done John, you saying exactly what people are thinking who have used firearms, thanks for the extra insight from behind the scenes in "film world", it isn't a whole lot different to how we do it in the military either, seems impossible we could be here after the Brandon Lee incident, but here we are :( Corporate manslaughter at a minimum or worse.
Thank you John, for this explanation of gun handling and safety on set. You are 100 percent correct; there is no way that a live round could have been fired if multiple safety protocols along the way hadn't been neglected. This tragedy was completely preventable. Very sad.
John I grew up watching you thinking D of H was a documentary for how to drive. .ha! As a licensed and certified instructor and court certified expert on the subject I applaud you for these two videos. Thank you so much for interjecting some common sense into this discussion. The rest of us are screaming it from the tops of our lungs but you sir have the platform to get people to listen. If Baldwin had hired you as EP in charge of firearms this could not have happened on his set.
The 4 universal rules of gun safety are:
1 Treat all guns as if they are always loaded. FAIL
2 Never let the muzzle point at anything that you are not willing to destroy. FAIL
3 Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you have made the decision to shoot. PROBABLE FAIL
4 Be sure of your target and what is behind it. FAIL
If it is a real firearm, you follow these rules NO MATTER WHAT. Never, ever, not on a bus, or on a train, or with a giraffe, or on a raft... NEVER. Not even the elite movie makers. He straight up killed that lady, at a minimum it should be man slaughter. If he wasn't a liberal diva, he'd be in trouble.
The DNC will makes sure he's not charged. The government is totally corrupt.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 his services on SNL lampooning Trump will be rewarded
NORMALLY,.....this dude would be arrested and/or in jail!
@@JohnDgr81 lets hope eventually this does too. But, they are going to blame the 'evil gun' instead of the imbecile user.
@@TimRHillard Will they hang the gun, or give it a lethal injection? Or lock it in a safe for 99 years, perhaps?
Thank you for such a detailed explanation on what should’ve happened and what obviously didn’t happen. I appreciate you taking the time to make this video. All those responsible for this tragic loss should be held accountable.
Thanks for explaining this so well-I was totally confused re: how this could just “randomly” happen, especially in the age of CGI….
I think the length was perfect! That was very informative. There are lots of things those of who are not involved in the industry don't know. I greatly appreciate your thorough explanation. Let's hope they are able to find the answer to those two questions.
John, Thank you for coming on your channel explaining between a real ammo vs dummy rounds. I used to watch dukes of Hazzard when I was growing up because of you John you were very good looking.
I am going to raise the point that during a filming break, they took that gun out for "target practice"...
That's one of the stories going around at this point..
But it still in NO WAY negates the safety protocols that should be in place to protect everyone on set..
Well said John..
Much respect from South Carolina..👋😃
Gun laws about car carry vary state to state and have changed over time.
In Louisiana, where you live, you can have bullets anywhere you want, gun hidden in the car or openly carried on your person.
If you have a conceal permit you can wear it concealed.
I agree 100% John
And yes there should be absolutely no live rounds anywhere near or on set -- period!!!!
John I love that you made this post, and your right safety first! That's the first thing I learned when I took my gun safety course! Thank you for reaching out and explaining everything. What a horrible tragedy! Prayers to all!
Thank you for taking the time to explain this crazy situation! Definitely need to investigate this shooting!!
Most states have what's called castle law and you are allowed to carry a loaded gun in your car as long as it is visible. I know that is true for here in Tennessee. But you are correct sir! Keep up the good work!
Visible to who?
@@HIMOTHYCOMMENTS in my ccw class they said it had it be visible. If it is out of sight or hidden it was considered concealed and owner had to have a permit. Visible to who was left kinda gray.
Plus I'm pretty sure it's legal to have them loaded in any states you possess a concealed permit
I think Tennessee made it legal to carry without a permit anymore. Wasn't that law signed effective in July? Honestly I don't own a gun but support the right to own and carry.
@@HIMOTHYCOMMENTS yes. I think you are right. Open carry is legal without a permit.
Thank you, John. I saw your presentation on the news...not enough time. This is so important, needs the thorough explanation that you're providing. So again, thank you. Such a tragedy, my heart goes out to all involved. Going to get messy....
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Thanks for the inside dope.
Always heard that it was the standard rule not to actually
aim/point at a person (which is often obvious in early films).
From my knowledge of firearms, this is the best video made. Thank you John, for explaining the protocols and procedures.
These kinds of "accidents" (I put that in quotes because perhaps it was no accident at all) make cinematography going forward seem more dangerous and makes the art of making movies more difficult, and may even have a cooling effect on the will to make action movies at all. It's bad for the industry.
Dude you are everywhere haha
@@sethschronce376 I know right? His channel is in my top 5.
As a producer, director and actor and having a many years experience of being on a set one would think Alec Baldwin would be familiar with this procedure before he would just grab a gun and start messing with it. I have by now heard so many versions of what took place before the gun was fired I could write a book. It seems everybody has their own version of it. This is the latest:
Souza spoke to investigators Friday, according to the affidavit released by the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office on Sunday.
Souza told them Baldwin was "sitting in a pew in a church building setting, and he was practicing a cross draw," the affidavit said. A cross draw is when a shooter pulls the weapon from a holster on the opposite side of the body from the draw hand.
He is a liberal and a non thinker. Being around liberals is like driving a car. No matter how safe you drive you still have to watch out for the other guy because there are some real idiots on the road
His booger hook should NOT have been on the trigger while practicing any draw stroke.
Definitely interesting to hear what the protocols have been, and should have been in this case from someone like John with the experience he has. Very interesting and appreciate the video John!
What happens next? Will Alec go on an anti-gun rampage now, where he urges everyone to surrender their Weopons so it won't happen to YOUR loved ones? What was the (other) movie project that the target..I mean cinematographer was working on? This was no accident.
This wasn't an accident? So if that is true, to what end does this serve? I cannot wait to hear your response.
He will probably tell you you are killing grandma if you don't turn your firearm in. And how it's really our fault this accident happened. If it were not for all of us gun lovers he would not be making a movie with guns.
This was an accident. According to OSHA all accidents are preventable. No matter how gross then confidence is you still have to show intent. At best they could get them for negligence but we all damn well know liberals don't get prosecuted... especially since everyone knows he did not do it on purpose. A conservative would probably already be in jail. But your common liberal especially a friend of Obama and the clintons will definitely get a free pass. If for no other reason because he has been to Epstein Island
@@jamesbowen5573 Oh, so you're one of those people.
Is that scenario for real? Like Chris Cornell and Bennington
I already used your Newsmax interview against some, "We need to stop gun violence." ignorance. Thanks for this longer explanation of how it SHOULD go on a movie/tv set.
John you were my favorite on Dukes. Lol I'm 56 born in 65.
Glad to find your channel. 👍
I have been following your clear and concise feedback on this, more than the so-called credible news sources. My limited set knowledge will totally agree with you Sir. A very tragic but clearly negligent event. Someone is absolutely at 'fault' here putting a live round anywhere near this set! Madness.
Thank you for this John! I have been on stage many times and directed plays where we had real and fake guns. The rule always is that, real or fake, it was always treated as a loaded gun and NEVER pointed at a person. Period.
Well explained John, as being from the United Kingdom 🇬🇧, you made total sense and safety paramount to your profession 👍💯
Your never too long or boring. We like hearing you talk and explaining things. Obviously, as I`m commenting you have 83,184 views 2,123 comments and over 10K in likes. Not bad! So no need to apologize. Carry on...
No need to apologize John , the video is never to long when what you're saying is interesting and factual.
👍love your work from a long time fan .
Does anyone know the make and model of the gun used? I've seen reports that it was a Colt Navy revolver, which would be period accurate. But that is a cap and ball revolver, unless it's a conversion. Cap and ball weapons do not fire modern self-contained brass cartridges, you have to load the powder (which is in paper and looks almost like a stubby joint) and the projectile in the front of the cylinder (the Navy even has a lever under the barrel to tamp it in), then on the back of cylinder you put percussion caps which the hammer then ignites. Modern cartridges put all of that stuff in a single package. The point is, a gun like that wouldn't even fire regular blanks, unless it was a conversion modified to do so. You could just put the powder in by itself without the ball. I'd be really interested to know exactly what it was, and if those reports are accurate
Excellent point I thought of that too. I don't think Baldwin would be smart enough to have them actually use a gun like that one that is actually historically correct. And in that case all you have to do is leave the primer off. And it would be pretty damn obvious if there was a primer on it and you were pointing and shooting it. But as we all know Alec Baldwin wouldn't even know anything about a black powder weapon. Other than smoking marijuana out of the barrel
In that case (unconverted) he would have seen the percussion cap.
@@randallmunson9909 But this is assuming that Baldwin would know what a percussion cap is.
Wonderful point. You can’t accidentally load a cap and ball. Impossible. I will see if I can find out.
Even if it was a Colt 1851 Navy, it would most likely be converted for cartridge blanks... like Clint Eastwood's in "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly"... that movie is suppose to be during the Civil War. Cartridge Conversations didn't come out until after the Civil War.
But there are scenes in "The Outlaw Josey Wales" where you can see there was no caps on the nipples of Josey's Colt Walkers, in other scenes they are cartridge conversations to fire blanks
Great info, John.
Seems the focus is on Dave Hall as the scapegoat, he handed the gun to Baldwin.
But everyone involved is responsible, every step of the way.
Baldwin had a real gun pointed at ppl & fired, a gun that he didn’t check.
The armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed,
is the daughter of an armorer Thell Reed.
I keep reading about the lack of safety & training, ppl quit, newbies hired; a rushed production; guns used for
off-time target practice; ammo & blanks stored together.
This tragedy could have been avoided.
Drastic changes should be made to avoid this from happening again.
There's an episode of Psych with almost this exact scenario except with a "prop" knife. Very bizarre to see it happen in real life as an "accident."
Thank you for all the information, it was helpful. I kept wondering why people were calling it a "prop" gun if it was capable of shooting real bullets. I agree, no one with a healthy respect and knowledge of firearms would make that mistake.
The Psych episode crossed my mind as well. I believe this was negligence by many people on the production.
A "prop" is an item belonging to the properties department. It can be anything placed on the set or used by the talent. To have a fully functional gun on set or used by talent may be the exception but it is still a prop. The word "prop" does not convey imitation or non-functional.
Awesome belt buckle!!! Thank you for explaining this! My 17 yr old Aspie son’s hobby is period weapons and explained a lot of this to me, but a lot of folks don’t know that there are very strict protocols in place on film sets.
Great Points all! God Bless Bless you John. Your an American Hero!