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Really glad they keep the Red Magic 9 design in 10 series. The best camera bump is no camera bump. The best notch is no notch. The best punch hole is no punch hole.
i'm just sad i didn't see a mualani team dmg comparison , i assume she's simply better but wanted to see the numbers . also TGS why do ppl almost completely ignore furina as a mualani teammate ? my best team is xiangling furina xilonen but ppl use other teams that seem weaker to me .
Why are people sick of 1.0 units like Xiangling and Bennet? they've been meta for years which is good unlike in HSR where units get powercrept every 6 months. Edit: i get it now, so people just want units similar to them in terms of buffing/playstyle without them getting powercrept so that they have more options to choose from, that makes sense i get why you guys are frustrated then.
@@jackjohnson8305 i never agreed with people wanting them to get straight up powercrept but when they're literally the only option it's very annoying. At this point they should have given us a sidegrade or two....
@@jackjohnson8305tbh i do actually kinda like the unreasonably cracked 1.0 4 stars lol. my personal frustration is with xiangling’s er issues specifically. even funneling with bennett i sometimes have trouble getting her burst up, and i won’t even bother playing her mono pyro
If you put mav in a team for sub dps, you can literally replace any char with xilo and turn her into a greedy on fielder which would make team better 🤡
If all you want is offfield app then you dont need to burst every rotation, she will still vastly out dmg bennetless 300 ER xiangling while holding scroll.
@@luminous3558 The only team where Xiangling is without Bennett is with Mualani or Chevreuse team where she get enough energy from Chevreuse. That's all man. Also Mavuika as a dps is Bennett dependant so it is really funny to pull her just because you don't want to add Bennett on your team...
The difference is that once you're done with Xiangling's ER restrictions, it's never a problem anymore whereas Mavuika will always be dependant on other Natlan characters.
Mavuika can get her burst from 14 normal attack. Something basicly all normal attack dpses except Batman can do. It's also not just Xilonen. Literally every other Natlan character does the job, Xilonen is just the best healer in the game by a mile. How the hell are you all supposedly both metaslaves and compeltly unwilling to play the best healer in the game? Pick one...
Mav can subdps for any Natlan maindps without Xilonen. the reason he pairs them is cuz xilo is still the most optimal pairing, at least until citlali and assuming Mav is c0. though even if neither of those is the case, we have cit, and we do have her cons, xilo still will have a slot on any optimized team for teh same reason Kazuha was on so many teams till now. Shes just a bis unit nearly all the time.
I cant take it anymore im sick of Mavuika. I tried to play Diluc my Mavuika deals more damage. I tried to play hu tao my Mavuika deals more damage. I tried to play Arlecchino my Mavuika deals more damage. I tried to play Xiangling she needs so much ER. I tried to play Knich, Mualani, their best team has Mavuika. I cook for her, I clean her bike. I tried to get her Earthshaker, she isn't satisfied. i tried to give her Serpent Spine, she said "this is too much crit rate". "I can deal more damage, give me Thousand Blazing Suns". I cant pull for her signature. Mavuika grabs my credit card, it declines. "Guess this is the end" she said. "Capitano, get them!". There's no sadness in my eyes, nothing but crazy on field, no ICD off field and exploration God abilities.
@@Quinton_ovo_ Full EM Mavuika? Except her skill is down 6 sec every rotation. Goddamnit! I swear, Gosoythoth must be impersonating the Genshin Devs and tormenting us instead.
Mavuika is also arguably the strongest dps in the game and the easiest to use because she can't get interrupted and you can just hold one button for her to do damage and unlike arlecchino you can heal her Mavuika as support in paper is just better than xiangling but because her application is lower than xiangling so we need to know how consistent her app as for every team you can put her in but in principle she is just better and if you can use her you will just use her which is the main point of this video
Hopefully it happens with a character that is not good looking since we will rarely see them in action. Mavuika was too good looking to be a support that you only see for 2 seconds on field and dips.
@@alexferrier5732Tons of support characters who only stays on field for their burst/skill have beautiful/cool/cute design. Hopefully this pyro off-field character, if we ever get one, also does just to annoy you in particular.
@@theianeia Lmao, It hasnt happened so far so I doubt it, only character that shows up for 2 seconds and dips (AKA support) that I have really liked how she looks has been Shenhe in my 4 years playing, and she looked so good that I got her C2 and ended up playing her as DPS. But thanks for your bad whises 😉
The shorter uptime doesn't mean she has to have a skill cooldown that is longer though. She could still have been 12s/12s or even 12s up and 8s cooldown
So is there like a requirement to have 100% uptime on skill to be a real Archon? Damn, i must have missed some lore. If only people would use their brains and realise how dominant pyro application can be and if she had full uptime, teams like mualani won't even be able to get a hydro crystallise/swirl and there is absolutely no scenario or team that "need" constant Pyro for the entire rotation. But no, the genshin community thinking for once? That can't happen.
@@wolf-c9tteams needs at least some downside, else they wont be much fun. mav not having 100% uptime is concerning, as basically all archons have 100% uptime. skill issue shouldnt be a reason for a poor kit
@@wolf-c9t There is no requirement to be a archon, just expectations, everyone knows venti is a archon, yet we all know he is not that good Also, pyro dominant app is not a good excuse, just lowering the cooldown to match the duration would have been enough to make it more flexible for both the teams who need a downtime and those who do not, and to get to this conclusion i just had to "think" a little bit.
I lost my C1 Neuvillette to C5 pseudocatgirl whom I hate. Well, at least, I'm guaranteed Mavuika, I guess 😅 but losing Neuvillette to that specific character is especially annoying, it happened a second time now (on his release I lost him to Dehya but he came home early later and I even grabbed his weapon, and on both reruns I lost him to Keqing).
@@Camelia437 Most atk scalers want him, because his is the only atk buffer in the game. Except in overload teams where Chevy matters the most. Though C2 Mauvika doesn't care for Bennett, I'm saying this is because a lot of people would have C2 Archons even if they are F2p.
I still think they need to increase her support capabilities. We have so many on field pyro dps already. I also dont like her dependency on Natlan characters, specifically Xilonen in order to use her burst.
u don’t have to use xilonen. u can use literally any natlan character it’s just that xilonens cooldown for her nightsoul burst is the shortest and fastest to use
@@jh44rell the point is to get her 200 points burst up every rotation which is completely impossible without xilonen and not even rolling for energy recharge can fix this
The problem is that Yelan IS better than Xingqiu in most teams you'd only chose one of them. The game is built around damage and Yelan simply provides more of that. While he is a very good applicator, Xingqiu's defensive utility isn't particularly useful
Yelan's damage isn't much higher than xingqiu's , and in addition to the defensive capabilities, he has better hydro application (albeit at c6) besides if all people cared about was damage zhongli wouldn't have such high usage rates.
@@tamas9554 I have to disagree. If you play for a while and do proper rotation dmg is not an issue. however dying by bad hitboxes or cos enemy chain stagger or oneshots you is annoying.
@@annuelpuns No? Yelan has waaay more damage than Xingqiu, he can only compare at C6. Not to mention that Yelan also directly buffs the damage of your on-fielder by up to 50%, which also contributes greatly to team damage. Your point with Zhongli is a very common argument I see over and over again, but trust me its irrelevant. Tldr, people use Zhongli, because they are bad/want to chill and he makes the game braindead easy :D He isn't actually a meta character factually speaking, despite being the 1-2nd most popular character every Abyss
Why? and why would you not have a Xilonen? it is explained in the video "I was hopping (for no reason) that xianling would work without a bennet". Non argument.
If you want to main DPS her then its a struggle (without Xilonen that is), but if you want her to sub Xiangling then she works just fine without Natlan teammates
So we assuming 12/13 hits xiangling and shes 17% behind mavuika? doesnt this mean xiangling can match mavuika's off field dps with better driving, backpedal alr gets more than 13 hits and double hitting can get 20ish overall. I really doubt mavuika can replace xiangling in international.
@luminous3558 i want to use childe mate, if she cant replace anyone in internat then shes a skip. Why would anyone recommend to replace the on fielder when thats usually the character they want to play
@@x3m9x the most important question: why would u talk abt replacing the main dps when the topic is about her sub dps capabilities? the conversation now is whether or not she can replace xiangling, the only strong pyro sub dps we have til today that remained meta since 1.0, and ppl are like "well shes stronger if u keep her on-field" like no shit but thats not the role were looking for lmao. we really just need to wait for her release, but as of now its clear that theres sooo many diff factors this guy did not discuss
@@Spacecowboy1997 i do, furina’s hydro app is just barely too fast for mavuika to keep up with, meaning you’ll get very little burn up time and only a few burgeons per rotation.
I'm gonna be blunt, if teambuilding in Genshin is ever going to improve Bennett needs to be essentially totally removed from the game. Every single attack scaler not named Xiao being permanently shackled to him is absolutely ruining every new unit for me. The Abyss has two sides, the one with Bennett on it and the one that doesn't. I don't need ANOTHER goddamn Bennett unit.
@lotharschramm5000 Mualani's an HP scaler and Chasca totally wants Bennett. Her two best teams are Bennett/Furina and then either Xiangling or Ororon. That being said, I did skip them, but that's because I prefer melee units. I'm not sure what's up with the accusatory tone there.
@@hedgeyes6411 People just have insane XL brainrot they fail to see that Bennett is the actual problem behind it all. He's so much more egregious and game-warping, his existence forces the devs to undertune ATK scalers and players who don't use him or run 2 ATK scalers in abyss get big nerfed because of it. It's actually insane how 90% of complaints towards Pyro support are directed towards XL instead of Bennett who's the real unbalanced abomination
@@lotharschramm5000 As a chasca haver she 100% needs bennett or her damage falls off hard. Can't blame her though all attack scaling characters need him
Let's be honest. The vast majority of teams want either one of Kazuha or Xilonen, and if they want Furina (which many do) they prefer Xilonen already. Mavuika needing Xilonen is not too big of a change to most teams. Also, Arlecchino and Chlorinde can provide Mav burst with their NAs.
I mean 12 sec is a good uptime but having her cd 18 sec is kinda meh for me I want archons to be the easiest to play so making her skill cd lower than uptime is better than having to wait for it. that's my hot take. ✌️
@@Surprised_Synth Considering the size of her A4(?) buff and dmg, it may simply be worth it to wait out the 18s and get the burst again if you can pull off the cost?
I'd say the Kinich comparison is pretty unfair. Kinich would not have 150 ER on the Xiangling team because its better to build damage than burst every rotation. In addition, while the graphic mentions that Scroll CANNOT refresh on enemies already burning, you don't actually mention it while speaking about the damage difference. You should have displayed some kind of graph showing the team DPS after 1, 2, and 3 rotations so we can actually see the difference between Mavuika's single rotation scroll trigger vs Xiangling.
but big difference is mavu is 5* and xiangling is 4star and xianglings cons can be purchased from star glitter shops and every lantern rite fest , i agree mavu is stronger but yeah i personally think she is skippable unless people are running mualani or kinich /wrio teams or people want to main dps mavu , idk this is just my thinking :D i could be wrong
@@skitteronline she's not even that good for wrio teams. the mavuika xilonen team is worse than using furina vape-melt LMAO but of course he didn't compare furina with mavuika
For me, the main reason for pulling Mavuika was making my International team stronger and separate my fav Childe from the freaking Xianling... well, 2s cd says hello
Thing with rotation uptime is that for overworld exploration, experimentation and player freedom the uptime matters a lot for off field use and currently we've been forced to rely on horrible options for this case and have been waiting for this role to be filled so sucks seeing that PLUS the Natlan only stuff.
I don't think Xiangling will be replaced by Mavuika. Since she's a 4-star and she appears in every banner, 99.9% of players own her. And everyone will still play her.
As a Navia main, I'm skeptical about her pyro application keeping up with crystal generation. However, her competition is C0 Furina who can get more value on another team (like Neuvillette) and Xiangling, who can also be inconsistent because of her energy needs. I guess we'll see.
They messed up with her kit. Players have been asking for bennet and xiangling replacement for 4 years but instead of that they made a arlechinno replacement. Many people talk about how she can give cinders city buff as an support but if i need to use another natlan character to get 40% dmg then what set am i going to give to the other natlan support. And most teams that need her as support dont even have 2 spaces available.
@Jrmy_Makaveys teams that currently run Bennet and xiangling. You will still put Bennet since his atk buff is still important and replace xiangling with mauvika but this way she will only get 100 stacks. And they made her use the fighting spirit for no reason. After natlan ends she will have a hard time getting any new teams.
Trust me 100 stack will be enough..idk the actual math..but it will be just the same case as Furina early release.."oh you have to put teamwide healer in the team bla bla bla"..fast forward post Fontaine no one cares and rocking single target healers..
Other Natlan supports can use other supportive sets. Citlali can use Gilded. Ororon is more iffy but can use Noblesse or even Gilded himself for overloaded damage, and Xilonen can use Archaic Petra. So can use Kachina or she can use Tenacity. So far, electro would be the only versatile element for keeping Cinder City on, since it can react with and trigger almost every element, just not anemo or geo. I think an actual artifact set is the missing piece of the puzzle, like Mavuika is made in a way to use a better set than the 5.0 sets. If Tha wasn't the case, was Mavuika only gonna stick with Golden Troupe as an objectively better Xiangling? Like Cinder City is far more limited in teams than Golden Troupe. You benefit with more Golden Troupes in the team but not with more Cinder City users in a team. Just as Zhongli had his artifact set after his release, actually 4 patches after he was launched. So we might see similar case with Mavuika. My bets are on the v5.4 set being a better Tenacity but less flexible. So +35% atk to team while elemental skill dmg is dealt in nightsoul blessing state, lasts 4 seconds, and a 2pc atk. And Cinder City Mavuika is also pretty good. Buff dendro + pyro at same time or buff pyro + electro, or buff hydro + electro + pyro at same time or pyro + dendro + cryo at same time. Honestly, Cinder City is at its best when it triggers on coexisting elemental auras. Those are pyro + dendro in burning, cryo + dendro, hydro + electro in electrocharged, and if triggered reverse vape and burgeon at same time. With Mavuika's weaker pyro against melt, we might find a case where she surpasses Xiangling due to buffing triple elements with pyro, cryo, and dendro, so buffing wriothesley, Mavuika herself, and Emilie. Cryo not having a reaction with dendro is an unexpected positive and simply because of Cinder City. Applying pyro to an enemy with both dendro and cryo causes forward melt and burning at the same time.
@@prashannarajkhadka7309that depends. Just as Bond of Life was made accessible with thr craftable Fontaine weapons, we might see that come to play in Natlan- weapons (likely gacha) that give nightsoul blessing and some buff tied to duration of the nightsoul. In a way, you don't necessarily have Marechaussee Hunter powercreep because it is limited by ownership of a Natlan gacha weapon to use Obsidian Codex on the character. Or a character that gives nightsoul blessing may come, and it doesn't have to be the archon. Like, Bond of Life isn't something made unique to one character, but is actually something a few weapons, Clorinde, Arlecchino, and Sigewinne can do. So gacha nightsoul giving weapons might be the plan. There are like 3 gacha weapon series per region.
theres actually something to note about mavuika in dendro teams Just a quick and careful reminder since we're about to get Pyro-Natlan Characters. The Natlan Support Set has a tricky requirement if you plan to give it to a Pyro character and hope to support Kinich with it. This issue is something to consider vs Bosses and tough abyss waves The PyroCinder holder needs to apply Pyro on an enemy with Dendro. This is easy on the first rotation yes, but after Kinich is done with his combo, we now have Pyro on the enemy! Unless you want to be idle for a long amount of time to wait for the Pyro to fade, your Pyro support can no longer proc Cinder City. If it is multiwave content, this shouldn't be too much of a problem, unless Pyro has long uptime. As a consequence, teams with only Dendro and Pyro cannot proc Cinder City each rotation for Kinich. Emilie-Bennett-[PyroNatlan]-Kinich? Cinder City will only proc on the start. To work around this, you need to turn into a burgeon team [add Furina/Xq/Yelan/Koko/Sigewine]. If the PyroNatlan support can hit bloom seeds, that counts as a Pyro-Dendro reaction for Cinder City. The Hydro also extinguishes burning, leaving Dendro and will let Pyro trigger Burning again. You can also go with Electro to turn into a BurningLoad team and let Electro blast away the Pyro to let fresh Dendro start the rotation and Pyro gets to Burn. You will probably prefer double dendro-pyro-electro for this. TLDR: Kinich Double Dendro Double Pyro should reconsider using CinderCity vs Bosses. If you plan to force using Pyro-CinderCity for him, potential comps include: Dendro Dendro Hydro Pyro Dendro Dendro Electro Pyro Pyro Pyro Hydro Dendro
This is considered in the calcs, the team is still really good because the first rotation does very very high dmg. It's more of an issue against bosses than mobs btw
@@TheGenshinScientist just wanted to point it out for kinich players since there was no mention of it in the video but damn you already covered that front keep pushing the anti xiangling agenda this shall improve moral
So you’re telling me that she is barely beating out Xiangling with Xilonen? A character that is already gone? I’m sorry, but that’s really high investment to barely beat a free four star.
like i have to roll for two character 5*s (guaranteed at 360 wishes) just to get a 16% increase on my wrio?? i could get his signature weapon lmao that's a 16% increase too and arguably cheaper
Yeah im disappointed so far, 5star an archon status at that, barely beat a 4star that exist since 1.0 also requiring equal or more investment not exactly an exciting news
1.0 4 stars are busted, barely any Archon at C0 is more than 10% stronger. C0 Raiden vs Fiscle? Fiscle does more damage in National, Overload and Agravate teams. C0 Venti vs Sucrose? Sucrose will be better for abyss 90% of the time especially floor 12 that is basically Venti proof. C0 Furina vs Xinqui? Barely more damage and worse aplication and while her buffing elevates her so does Mavuika with the scroll set. Zhongli has no competition since he is mostly a shield bot altough all 4 star geo units from 1.0 like Noelle and Ningyuan outdamages him. And thats not even Mavuikas main role, she is the most powerfull DPS in the game with her current kit with her current numbers at C0 beating Arlechino C2 and her C2 beating Arles C6.
If you get Xilonen and bannett and Mavuika C1 for extending her E duration Then i guess it will be an upgrade But without all of them i don't know Maybe a 5 star side grad?
@@haroonafridi231Yeah let just act like her no icd application is not enough in almost all the team that is currently playef,lets not act like she also doesnt buff and lets not act like she also doesnt make easier damage than xl But sure juste a limited 5 star who just has no energy issue,oh and mavuika has better uptime
Comparing her with a free 4star character from day 1 already make her the worst archon in the game. Plus her dps needs Natlan character to happen, which is another big restriction for archon. Archon should be much better then this like the previous ones
HSR: " Our old units are getting powercrept! Genshin Players: "Im tired of using the same old units, make stronger ones!" I swr yall are never satisified
the only people who complain about power creep are the ones who follow the mantra "i pull base on personality" and get characters with crappy kits only to be upset when a more powerful character comes about. This "pull for who u like" mantra is so silly.
Benny and Ling have been on almost every banner for 5 years. We’re long past due. Power creep isn’t real in this game, it’s all horizontal. I just want faster pyro application with a bit of buffer. I don’t like Benny or Lings design either.
@@shonenhikada9254Huh? I only pull for who I like and I’m completely opposite. Power creep shouldn’t matter if you pull for who you like. I rarely ever pull for meta and every time I have it’s been a disappointment. Arlecchino, Kazuha, Zhongli, all super powerful but I’m not a fan of any of them and I barely use Kazhua or Zhongli anymore. I’d rather have Venti. The only reason I pulled for Chasca is because she can fly, farms the same domain as mualani (which I love) and opens up some interesting team comps I’ve never played before Mualani and Furina are the only character in the last two years I’ve actually really liked
I feel like the issue is not whether she's better or not. The issue is that it's always better to have a team where she is the main dps lol Edit: I find some answers to my comment really funny, so I'm gonna write this to clarify some of the points. 1. You don't really know who you are talking to, and assuming I'm some sort of "spreadshit player" is quite weird. I never followed the meta and just played the game the way i found funnier, trying weird staff or building characters as dps even if they were never meant to. 2. I think it's also really weird to comment such a thing on a channel that is focused on theorycrafting. Here we talk numbers, so make peace with it. 3. Whatever I say is my opinion, which in this case is also supported by facts. But that does NOT mean you HAVE TO play the game in a certain way. I like to think and understand the best way a character can be played, but that doesn't mean I'll play it that way. To me are 2 different kinds of fun: the first is like solving a puzzle, and the second is the relaxing type of fun. 4. There is no such "issue" per se with Mavuika being better as an ON FIELD DPS than a SUB DPS. It was a manner of speach to make it clear that her kit discourages player from playing her SUB DPS. That, again, DOES NOT mean that she's a bad SUB DPS or that you can't do whatever you want with her. I hope this clear some misunderstandigs and make people realize that you are not forced to answer without having understood the point of the comment: that makes you look dumb and salty for no reason. :)
Nah as a C3 Mualani haver with top 0.01% artifacts Mavuika is just immediately replacing Xiangling as my pyro bot. I don't care how much damage Mavuika does I can literally do 1.5mil by pressing E. Her output is not even a factor. I'm just sick of keeping Xiangling's burst up.
Would be interested in a comparison with the Puro Traveler. The fact is that for Kinich, it feels like the difference will not be great at all. Mavuika gives a 40% damage bonus, and the traveler gives almost 20% after the last changes, while his buff does not decrease over time. On both, the new support kit works only for the first time in the case of a team without a hydro. The only more or less visible difference is personal damage outside of combat, but Mavuika does not have snapshot mechanics on her E, so without overclocking damage from Bennet, she may not cause such significant personal damage outside of combat. Plus Kinich, like Emilia, are heroes who hit the same goal, so AOE Mavuika can certainly be useful, but whether such micro-improvements are worth their money and primogems is an open question for me. Mualani is also able to use vaporize with both the traveler and Mavuika. At the same time, both cease to give reliable pyro status in the 2 hydro character scenario. I'm afraid it's the same scenario with a lot of other characters (maybe except for Wriothesley and other exceptions): - Mavuika gives more AOE and damage, but the buff will be used as much as possible only by half without a Shilonen, which corresponds to the traveler; - The pyro status is equally "liquid" for most status-demanding teams in both, this is shown in the tests of the same Mualani at Genshin Kitchen; - Due to the lack of snapshot mechanics in Mavuika, we have a difference in damage at the level of 6 hits for Mavuika versus 4 for Traveler; a higher raw impact multiplier for Mavuika; At the same time, if we do not talk about Kinich, both of them can use the scroll set. These are my thoughts, so correct me if I'm wrong. It's just that Nahida gave significant improvements compared to the free traveler - the status is not tied to the territory, the kit is aimed at support, gives a lot of MS, personal damage is higher, c2 gives a massive boost to team damage (about 20-25%, unlike Mavuika, which gives only 10 percent for the team). Furina gives a less reliable status than Xingqiu or Elan, while giving a huge damage multiplier from the ult for everyone. Her c1 and c2 are also very good for team support and remove most of the restrictions on using mass healing and more. Her E, perhaps, hits more painfully and many times longer than Mavuika's E. In general, it's sad, sorry for the English, everything is through translation.
Mavuika VS Xiangling: one of them is free C6 in 4 months, one of them doesn't need to buy constellations or weapon, one of them works in any team not just natlan. Flawless victory for...
i'd probably just get mavuika on her rerun if there wont be any capitano news by that time. citlali's kit simply is much more interesting. and besides, since you get a free pyro cinder set user (pyro mc) , it's better to prioritze getting the cryo cinder set. i wouldve get mavuika on release if i fail to get chasca. joyriding a bike looks great, but unlimited flight is unbeatable. i cant believe im skipping a character that has both of my "must pull" criteria, an archon, and an adult female.
pyro archon holding on for dear life to compete with a release four star. hybrid archons are doomed to get powercrept soon while ones like nahida furina zhongli will stay good till EOS
@OeshikXLR Lol Raiden won't get powercrept too like I don't see them releasing a unit that enables a team while battery-ing it. This is why I don't like how Main DPS centered they made Mavuika's kit cause DPS units are easy to powercrept. Would be nice if she made her have a utility that she can only do best like the other Archons such as Zhongli's shield, Raiden's battery/team driver prowess for Burst centered off-field dps teams cause of her absolute Interrupt resistance, Nahida's unmatched dendro application and Furina's huge DMG% buffs. It would be better if they made her a premium version of Bennett instead. An ATK buffer that rivals bennett would be very nice
@@OeshikXLRyour furina that was said to be barely an upgrade in some team than xingqiu ?? This furina,yeah y all so funny And its 10-20 percent more better ,there is no holding for dear life when shes that better on not even her primar role Acting like the current best pyro sub dps who is also top 3 main dps wont stay good is crazy when the previous best pyro sub dps has been great since 4 years and will still stay as it is
@@Jrmy_Makaveys Obviously there is she still got a high pick rate in Abyss? averaging 30%+ depending on the Abyss line up that's like within top 15 most used unit in the abyss. Having the same pick rate as Xiangling and Xingqui in the past two abyss cycle is not meta huh LMAO
Mavuika should be fine. Off field pyro E application + buffing + cinder city. If reactions are a worry someone like citlali should work fine. She's buffing oyro + hydro units and giving a shield + cryo application. So a 3 pyro + citlali will be great
It's too bad she's apparently a sidegrade at best in Childe teams (and pre-V3 too) only being an upgrade at either C2 Mav or C2 Xilonen. It's the first team I thought of for "Xiangling alternative with extra buffing"
Marginally better than XL and not even close to Benny. I'm happy because I don't have to invest in another unit to achieve practically the same thing I already do without it. I'd rather save up and invest in Furina, that's a unit worth it from every angle you look at it. That's what an Archon should be, even Citlali is a better value than Mavuika.
1.0 4 stars are busted, barely any Archon at C0 is more than 10% stronger. C0 Raiden vs Fiscle? Fiscle does more damage in National, Overload and Agravate teams. C0 Venti vs Sucrose? Sucrose will be better for abyss 90% of the time especially floor 12 that is basically Venti proof. C0 Furina vs Xinqui? Barely more damage and worse aplication and while her buffing elevates her so does Mavuika with the scroll set. Zhongli has no competition since he is mostly a shield bot altough all 4 star geo units from 1.0 like Noelle and Ningyuan outdamages him. And thats not even Mavuikas main role, she is the most powerfull DPS in the game with her current kit with her current numbers at C0 beating Arlechino C2 and her C2 beating Arles C6.
17% better on vape is not marginal. Thats 17% better than the best off field pyro in the game since its inception. And she can maindps. If you dont see that as a massive upgrade i dunno what to tell you.
@@johns783 it's amazing we see the calcs and still theyre not able to process the substantial increase, their brains fall back to the reddit doomposters. U can see the numbers!
Can't wait for January 1 for such braindead takes to disappear because i am getting brain damage from people's inability to understand anything about this character. And holy fk is it frustrating.
Something to note is that if you want to further the consistency of pyro app with Mavuika, you can pair her with PMC, preferably activate their skill after Mavuika's. It is similar to the og Bennet/Xiangling combo except there is no ER required here to pull it of and both Mavuika and PMC can buff your character slightly more universally.
Is there any team her 2 second pyro application restriction an actual DPS loss in compared to Xiangling? Really wished they buffed it to 1.5 per trigger
@@ragingflare123 probably internat, i ran stupid calcs on optimizer and lil bro optimizer. Kazuha bennett xiangling childe vs xilonen mavuika bennett childe. Mavuika is on codex and xilonen is on scroll. Mav variant is 100k more dpr but thats assuming 12 vape and 2 unvape xiangling hits. With better driving, xiangling can hit 16-20 hits. So you can see that xiangling will outdmg her in this team specifically. I tried putting xilonen on noblesse and mavuika on scroll cuz mav codex is bricking childes dmg since double crystallizing is literally impossible. This variant already got mogged by xianglings variant (12 vape and 2 unvape). Lastly, another problem with running mavuika in this team is the rotation. I legit cant think of rotation thats: 1. Doesnt take too long to setup 2. Mav’s nuke and at least 5Es vape 3. Childe’s nuke to vape 4. Childe would not be on CD when hes needed (so benny Q > xilonen E > childe rQ En1 > mavuika Q E > childe would not work. I can however on field mavuika while the wait but whats the point of using childe where yelan/furina is just infinitely better in this scenario?)
Why you all are surprised that 5 star of newest character in NEW REGION with NEW MECHANIC is perform better than a girl that has been with us since early Genshin and a 4 star too at that?! You SHOULD be surprised when Mavuika doesn't perform any better than Xiangling, but when Mavuika somehow perform better than Xiangling, it SUPPOSED to be that way.
@@mainfish88 that guy just be yapping neuvillette doesn't even need teams to do incredible dmg,support just makes him too overpowered than he already is and i genuinely never seen neuvi being tied to characters when tons of players including streamers said neuvillette can solo the game events on his own😂 they straight crying neuvillette is better than their favs
Considering regional mechanism, Mavuika relevance doesn’t look good in long term. In normal situation it won’t matter and you can concern only about damage. However, unlike EM-based or HP-flux, now Hoyo leans to create mechanism that force you to pull new character to solve it (such like enemy which requires night soul to break shield) and gradually include in weekly boss and abyss. Mualani, Kinich, Chasca have no problem welcoming new character in next region as long as their kit suit each other. But Mavuika must carry another Natlan to go with her, aka less 1 flexible slot. Fortunately Xilonen is very universal, but if Snezhnaya dps doesn’t work well with Mavuika Q and we can only use her E turret, that’d be huge disappointment.
What if I don't have Natlan characters (Xilonen, Citlali, Ororon)? Can Mavuika still be superior than Xiangling in the teams where you would already use Bennett anyway?
Normally you can use Pyro MC or Kachina as alternatives, or you can use a normal attacking character like Wanderer or Clorinde to generate her burst. But in your specific case she'll be bad. Pyro can't reliably trigger the Cinder City buff on Burning unless you remove the Burning aura super quickly, and without normal attacks she'll only be bursting every other rotation. She can apply pyro comfortably, but she's not anymore effective than a Dehya with Sacrificial Greatsword.
yes. u dont need to run additional natlan chars but your main on-field DPS has to be one that uses normal attacks, and at least 14 of them per rotation (bcuz 14 normals = 21, and she generates 80 fighting spirit by herself. 21 + 80 = 101)
@@rafaelbittencourtmiranda4338 are you sure ganyu best teams require dendro? pretty sure she can be played in non-dendro variants as well that are competitive
been seeing a lot of conflicting thoughts on how Mavuika would work with Ganyu in Reverse Vape, especially with Xilonen or maybe even Citlali it feels like the Pyro Application is ok for it but unsure especially if Ganyu is on Chronicled Wish coming up
did u mean reverse melt? i looked up ganyu's CA, she applies 2 cyro every 1.88 seconds according to kqm library. mavuika only applies once every 2s. so ud need to delay your shot. and u definitely can't run citlali or use ganyu burst. more than glad to be corrected tho if sum1 has better source 😅
@@renren.focalorsmedoes Ganyu's Charged Shots wipe out the burning aura or not? If she does, that let's Mavuika trigger burning so also buffing dendro so Emilie would get greater dps from it.
@@tehCostHD honestly if you're using burn-melt emilie, use thoma! his c6 gives you NA dmg bonus too and he's a very good option. idk why TGS compared the burn melt teams with nahida, when emilie is FAR better. currently burn melt with emilie and thoma is also around 60k
First of all, this is extrimly funny video). How can a person suggest to use her burst as sub dps and when talk about support set? She needs Xilonen to burst, so it makes more sence to give set to her... Well I guess if the character is bad you need to cut some angles in order to promote her...
If you have Arlecchino already you dont have to pull Mavuika (for gameplay wise) Mavuika literally need heavy investment on her Constellation + Natlan buff (Xilonen and Citlali) to show her true potential make her team comps isnt a universial like Daddy Arle has.
Mavuika fails to replace XL in internat and some melt teams. These are the teams TGS conveniently left out of his vids because it doesn't fit his agenda. This whole video is full of many flaws and dishonest infographics.
Mavuika, the Pyro Archon should be waaaay stronger that a 4* character released in 2020 that you get for free. Is stupid that the difference in damage is around 10%, if you ask me, not enough difference to be worth a pull.
Its less about damage, and much more about comfort. And keep in mind THATS HER SECONDARY ROLE Imagine having a char who is the best main-dps in the game, and the best of-field pyro applier in the game. And you call her underwhelming. It’s like if Ye Lan would have Nevilette’s damage, and would be doomposted because he is marginally better thab Xinnque
@@nationalgeografic7687 she offers something new to the game. A shield that can absorb any element that can be good against any enemy that deals cryo pyro electro and hydro with 250% absorbtion against their damage and can have Vv set. She’s from china too
@@hakugei-_-5800without other natlan characters mavuika can still use her burst every rotation 100 points cost(mavuika generates 80, teammates generate the rest) But it’s just a burst without that support passive 50% dmg for the team so yeah, it’s clunky
Just a question will the def down of c2 mavuika add to 60% of raiden and makes it 80% or no? Cuz if it does it really adds so much damage to raiden mayeb about 30-35% total damage , without calculating any buff from mavuika herself
I may be completely wrong but Maybe Mavuika will lower the 20% from total And then from the remaining 80% Raiden with ignore 60% So it will be like this maybe 100% - 20% = 80% 80% - 48% = 32% remains?
You forgot to mention that triggering scroll for kinich on 2nd rotation is hard if burning doesn’t extinguish (which it won’t with Emilie) and enemy is still alive
Question: What is the BIS artifact for on field DPS Mavuika? Codex can't be fully utilized right? She stops consuming nightsoul upon casting ult. This is not fixed in subsequent betas?
It feels so terrible even to pull for mauvika at this point 😢😢😢 she is the archon and I already prefarmed for her..... And now her uptime is bad than xiangling and I want to know what set can she use except cinder city ...coz I won't give her cinder city which is with xilonen atm.... I have few golden troupe pieces lying around.. I dont want her as DPS I want her as Sub DPS 😢😢😢 .please some one help me which set can I give her ???
And someone said she will be better dehya !!! Does she even have interruption mechanics ?? So that I can play her with neuvi and arle without getting interrupted
Well, if your xilonen equips cinder city set. Then, throw out golden troupe set on mavuika as sustainer. Easy bro. Stack buff over buff. 😂 I had golden troupe set farmed a while ago. It wasn't for mavuika but it will be soon.
@@mamunabdulla781 same here. I already have around 74/135 stat already .. but I heard mauvika has huge DMG in her burst which she will do onfeild and also her e skill has 6 secs downtime ... And also she lacks what dehya had interruption resist 😭😭😭😭
I really hope it is like this, I main Wriothesley since Release and had hope since the Start from Natlan..... first to give Wrio much more dmg through Xilonen and Mavu, but also that Mavu really matches the Style i like (Biker Girl Lets go) so i hoped she would be usefull for him 😅 got scared when everyone said she is a main dps hypercarry, but like this it looks good to finally replace Xiangling in my Team
I tried doing the wrio melt team but with kazuha bennet and xilonen instead. Since kazuha procs pyro on his burst not to mention the intervals and applications are similar to mavuika I can say that you can still melt however you do need to time the pyro application but its still possible
Or you can just use: wriothesley, emilie, Lynette w/freedom sworn or kazuha, and mavuika. Wriothesley, mavuika, lynette/kazuha, benny [though because of Benny's circle impact + pyro on YOU means you get 1 shotted so much because of that burst self application similar to Barbara's E...] You could use xilonen for his teams but there's no reason to if you want her on others.
@@quicksilverdante4647her pyro application is not from her burst. Plus you can burst at just 100 points of her burst. Which she gives 80 from just using her skill.
i use my xiangling without bennet with mualani. i just shove all ER artifacts on her and favonius. also mona uses favonius too and helps with energy generation (she is the first one in the field so she can cast E without affecting the rotation since xilonen needs to buff hydro anyway). i don't even know if i can replace mona in this team, she has too many important roles and she buffs damage but a shitload (more than kazuha with 1000 em)
Because she's the Archon. She should be the best of the best support and sub dpsing in the pyro category. We are SEVERELY lacking supports that don't have restrictions...
@@nobody-xh6ii She is, you'd rather use her over xl in majority of the teams. Even furina wasn't the best in every single comp that required a hydro off fielder
@@avocado321potatoemash8that's because hydro didn't need offield application as we already have yelan and xingqiu and they're fine unlike xiangling who is straight up annoying to play
@@Floppyturtle-rt1jw The guy literally said that archons should be the best of the best and i just said Mav is, you will literally use Mav over xl majority of the time
1.0 4 stars are busted, barely any Archon at C0 is more than 10% stronger. C0 Raiden vs Fiscle? Fiscle does more damage in National, Overload and Agravate teams. C0 Venti vs Sucrose? Sucrose will be better for abyss 90% of the time especially floor 12 that is basically Venti proof. C0 Furina vs Xinqui? Barely more damage and worse aplication and while her buffing elevates her so does Mavuika with the scroll set. Zhongli has no competition since he is mostly a shield bot altough all 4 star geo units from 1.0 like Noelle and Ningyuan outdamages him. And thats not even Mavuikas main role, she is the most powerfull DPS in the game with her current kit with her current numbers at C0 beating Arlechino C2 and her C2 beating Arles C6.
Thx ! About Mualani teams : no VV teamate for me (too boring for many reasons), so if Mavuika can be a better replacement for Dehya (Mualani / Xilo / Zhong Petra), I don't think she'll do the job in the Mualani / Elegy Yelan / Xilo team, such a solid team with no boring constraints. That's a big deal. Mavuika DPS? Not worth the resources with an over-invested Arlecchino. But what about Citlatli C2R1? Pyro/hydro res shred -40% (Kazuha) | +125 EM for her and +250 for teamates (Nahida) | buffs: +40% Elemental DMG (scroll) +28% DMG onfielder (arme R1), Furina like | RI/shield. Citlali hypes me up so much more.
@@lolidemon3163 shield is not as effective for sure. But a highly invested Citlali will be more valuable to a box than just another DPS, however strong it may be.
Oh I see your point. If Mavuika was a pure sub DPS, it would often be a bad uptime, but if we take her on field abilities into account, she could easily make up for the gap while she is the active character.
I hope pyro traveller is a cope Mavuika replacement as a support. I just got extremely lucky and got c1 Neuvillette ( didnt own him at all before) and a Mona. Also i didnt want her anyway i dont want another dps would rather go for Citlali if i had the rescources.
@@renren.focalorsmeactually, I saw a video of pyro application with PMC w mualani and it was pretty good. Idk if anything changed bc I haven’t looked at their v2 and v3 changes, but PMC was keeping up with mualani without any dendro (burning reactions) and this was from this week so I’m assuming it’s updated
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the numbers of xilonen and XL are swapped i think
at 9:55
@MojtaAS you are right
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i'm just sad i didn't see a mualani team dmg comparison , i assume she's simply better but wanted to see the numbers . also TGS why do ppl almost completely ignore furina as a mualani teammate ? my best team is xiangling furina xilonen but ppl use other teams that seem weaker to me .
People who are sick of Xiangling: You have freed us!
Mavuika: Oh, I wouldn’t say ”freed”, more like ”under new management”
freed from er purgatory, at least
Why are people sick of 1.0 units like Xiangling and Bennet? they've been meta for years which is good unlike in HSR where units get powercrept every 6 months.
Edit: i get it now, so people just want units similar to them in terms of buffing/playstyle without them getting powercrept so that they have more options to choose from, that makes sense i get why you guys are frustrated then.
@@jackjohnson8305 people just want new toy
@@jackjohnson8305 i never agreed with people wanting them to get straight up powercrept but when they're literally the only option it's very annoying. At this point they should have given us a sidegrade or two....
@@jackjohnson8305tbh i do actually kinda like the unreasonably cracked 1.0 4 stars lol. my personal frustration is with xiangling’s er issues specifically. even funneling with bennett i sometimes have trouble getting her burst up, and i won’t even bother playing her mono pyro
GG hoyo, replaced xiangling’s annoying ER restriction with Mavuika’s annoying fighting spirit restriction…
If you put mav in a team for sub dps, you can literally replace any char with xilo and turn her into a greedy on fielder which would make team better 🤡
If you're already test her in BETA, that's a fair point. But do you tho?? if you're not you just seeing a ghost buddy.
If all you want is offfield app then you dont need to burst every rotation, she will still vastly out dmg bennetless 300 ER xiangling while holding scroll.
@@luminous3558 The only team where Xiangling is without Bennett is with Mualani or Chevreuse team where she get enough energy from Chevreuse.
That's all man.
Also Mavuika as a dps is Bennett dependant so it is really funny to pull her just because you don't want to add Bennett on your team...
The difference is that once you're done with Xiangling's ER restrictions, it's never a problem anymore whereas Mavuika will always be dependant on other Natlan characters.
"Mavuika is more flexible than XL because XL is tied to Bennett"
vs
"pairing Mavuika with Xilonen on every team"
Only one can be true.
Mavuika can get her burst from 14 normal attack. Something basicly all normal attack dpses except Batman can do. It's also not just Xilonen. Literally every other Natlan character does the job, Xilonen is just the best healer in the game by a mile. How the hell are you all supposedly both metaslaves and compeltly unwilling to play the best healer in the game? Pick one...
Mav can subdps for any Natlan maindps without Xilonen. the reason he pairs them is cuz xilo is still the most optimal pairing, at least until citlali and assuming Mav is c0. though even if neither of those is the case, we have cit, and we do have her cons, xilo still will have a slot on any optimized team for teh same reason Kazuha was on so many teams till now. Shes just a bis unit nearly all the time.
@@bencegergohocz5988real, meta players that skipped Xilonen? Lmao
And Bennet
Who exactly is Batman lmao
I cant take it anymore im sick of Mavuika. I tried to play Diluc my Mavuika deals more damage. I tried to play hu tao my Mavuika deals more damage. I tried to play Arlecchino my Mavuika deals more damage. I tried to play Xiangling she needs so much ER. I tried to play Knich, Mualani, their best team has Mavuika. I cook for her, I clean her bike. I tried to get her Earthshaker, she isn't satisfied. i tried to give her Serpent Spine, she said "this is too much crit rate". "I can deal more damage, give me Thousand Blazing Suns". I cant pull for her signature. Mavuika grabs my credit card, it declines. "Guess this is the end" she said. "Capitano, get them!". There's no sadness in my eyes, nothing but crazy on field, no ICD off field and exploration God abilities.
This is blasphemous
I lol’d
Let’s go bois new copypasta just dropped🗣️🔥
Bennet still pyro archon
L copypasta
Mid archon
Sorry not sorry
RIP archon only team. No synergy with mavuika because of the fighting spirit generation issue. Tsaritsa here we come, please don't disappoint us.
She could still do burgeon. Her Pyro targets the cores themselves which is great
@@Quinton_ovo_ Full EM Mavuika? Except her skill is down 6 sec every rotation. Goddamnit! I swear, Gosoythoth must be impersonating the Genshin Devs and tormenting us instead.
@RKNancy that sucks man
3:09 xiangling's burst duration is 14 seconds at C4
The fact that we are comparing an Archon with a 4-star Michelin chef, and the only description used is, "very competitive" to this chef.
Mavuika is also arguably the strongest dps in the game and the easiest to use because she can't get interrupted and you can just hold one button for her to do damage and unlike arlecchino you can heal her
Mavuika as support in paper is just better than xiangling but because her application is lower than xiangling so we need to know how consistent her app as for every team you can put her in but in principle she is just better and if you can use her you will just use her which is the main point of this video
When Mavuikas intended role is the opposite of Xianglings yet she is still competent in what Xiangling does?
That's awesome actually
mavuika is an field character mostly the fact that competes with xiangling in the sub dps department is a plus
Imagine one day we get a pyro limited 5* that has all their power budget allocated to off-field capabilities, be it dmg or utility. Imagine.
Hopefully it happens with a character that is not good looking since we will rarely see them in action. Mavuika was too good looking to be a support that you only see for 2 seconds on field and dips.
Probably gonna be a chinese character
@@alexferrier5732Tons of support characters who only stays on field for their burst/skill have beautiful/cool/cute design. Hopefully this pyro off-field character, if we ever get one, also does just to annoy you in particular.
@@theianeia Lmao, It hasnt happened so far so I doubt it, only character that shows up for 2 seconds and dips (AKA support) that I have really liked how she looks has been Shenhe in my 4 years playing, and she looked so good that I got her C2 and ended up playing her as DPS. But thanks for your bad whises 😉
@@alexferrier5732Mavuika may be good looking but we're pretty much playing as the motorcycle lol
It took almost 5 years and an Archon to be competitive with a 1.0 cook. Even then the Archon has limitations.
1.0 balance was all over the place.
xiangling all over the place
They were purposely made that way so you could clear abyss with 4 star options
I guess stockholm syndrome is so strong in this community that people collectively forgot xiangling has insane restriction as well.
@@maddasher8471 they're always hating chinese characters in Chinese game
Every archon has a 1.0 character 4 star to compete with. This is nothing new
The shorter uptime doesn't mean she has to have a skill cooldown that is longer though. She could still have been 12s/12s or even 12s up and 8s cooldown
Exactly, i just wanted full uptime like all other archons
Right? At this point I just wanna know who else is coming out. May just save.
Shorter uptime is better. I have seen kazuha swirling pyronado in wriothesley teams. Longer pyro uptime is a curse
Also if they say shorter duration is better
Does they mean that her C1 that extends her E duration is a bad constilation?
Exactly. Duration is not the problem. Downtime is the problem.
Look, the 12 seconds is not a big deal if we where talking about a average caracter, but a archon, is very disapointing
And you have to deal with downtime (6s), something no other archon has. She is extremely disappointing
So is there like a requirement to have 100% uptime on skill to be a real Archon? Damn, i must have missed some lore.
If only people would use their brains and realise how dominant pyro application can be and if she had full uptime, teams like mualani won't even be able to get a hydro crystallise/swirl and there is absolutely no scenario or team that "need" constant Pyro for the entire rotation. But no, the genshin community thinking for once? That can't happen.
"Greed"
They want to sell her C1 to extend her E duration...
@@wolf-c9tteams needs at least some downside, else they wont be much fun.
mav not having 100% uptime is concerning, as basically all archons have 100% uptime.
skill issue shouldnt be a reason for a poor kit
@@wolf-c9t There is no requirement to be a archon, just expectations, everyone knows venti is a archon, yet we all know he is not that good
Also, pyro dominant app is not a good excuse, just lowering the cooldown to match the duration would have been enough to make it more flexible for both the teams who need a downtime and those who do not, and to get to this conclusion i just had to "think" a little bit.
Mavuika is so good that i pulled for c1 neuvillete instead.
😂
Lmao😂
I lost my C1 Neuvillette to C5 pseudocatgirl whom I hate. Well, at least, I'm guaranteed Mavuika, I guess 😅 but losing Neuvillette to that specific character is especially annoying, it happened a second time now (on his release I lost him to Dehya but he came home early later and I even grabbed his weapon, and on both reruns I lost him to Keqing).
Lmaoo 😭😭😭same
sameeeeee lol
Meanwhile Bennett is still comfortably sitting on the Pyro throne. Mavuika is such a meta and archon disappointed as support/sub-dps.
As a dps, she NEEDS Bennett on all her team to deal damage.
So yeah, he is clearly the pyro archon.
@@Camelia437the fate of every atk scaling dps
@@Camelia437 Most atk scalers want him, because his is the only atk buffer in the game. Except in overload teams where Chevy matters the most. Though C2 Mauvika doesn't care for Bennett, I'm saying this is because a lot of people would have C2 Archons even if they are F2p.
@@Camelia437 She doesn't NEED bennett to deal damage....
@@Camelia437 Now the joke: Mavuika "NEEDS" Bennett KEKW
I still think they need to increase her support capabilities. We have so many on field pyro dps already. I also dont like her dependency on Natlan characters, specifically Xilonen in order to use her burst.
u don’t have to use xilonen. u can use literally any natlan character it’s just that xilonens cooldown for her nightsoul burst is the shortest and fastest to use
@@jh44rellYes!! Lumine & kachina are free aswell 🤤
@@jh44rell the point is to get her 200 points burst up every rotation which is completely impossible without xilonen and not even rolling for energy recharge can fix this
@KakaoPfoteMsp it’s definitely possible ?? any natlan character can do that. and u don’t need 200 every burst
@@jh44rell why playing her then when other pyro dpses exist?
Mavuika's attacks are goofy af when she is on her bike
Devs be like "hehe"
you must have played jer
her attacks are so ugly.
it feels like you're playing the f*cking bike instead of her. so lame.
An eye-sore tbh
It doesn't matter. She could use a wheelchair and everyone will still pull for her. That's the state of the player base.
today guys we will be talking about the pyro archon and how she compares to mavuika
I think they will be a Yelan/Xingqiu case where both have their pros and cons and which one is better will depend a lot on the team.
With the exception that teams that want Xiangling more are exclusively worse than teams that want Mavuika
The problem is that Yelan IS better than Xingqiu in most teams you'd only chose one of them. The game is built around damage and Yelan simply provides more of that. While he is a very good applicator, Xingqiu's defensive utility isn't particularly useful
Yelan's damage isn't much higher than xingqiu's , and in addition to the defensive capabilities, he has better hydro application (albeit at c6) besides if all people cared about was damage zhongli wouldn't have such high usage rates.
@@tamas9554 I have to disagree. If you play for a while and do proper rotation dmg is not an issue. however dying by bad hitboxes or cos enemy chain stagger or oneshots you is annoying.
@@annuelpuns No? Yelan has waaay more damage than Xingqiu, he can only compare at C6. Not to mention that Yelan also directly buffs the damage of your on-fielder by up to 50%, which also contributes greatly to team damage.
Your point with Zhongli is a very common argument I see over and over again, but trust me its irrelevant. Tldr, people use Zhongli, because they are bad/want to chill and he makes the game braindead easy :D
He isn't actually a meta character factually speaking, despite being the 1-2nd most popular character every Abyss
I was hoping she would also work fine with Non Natlan characters
she does work fine, just not optimal.
She only needs her skill for application. Which is not tied to nightsoul stuff so she'll be fine
She does lol
Why? and why would you not have a Xilonen? it is explained in the video "I was hopping (for no reason) that xianling would work without a bennet". Non argument.
If you want to main DPS her then its a struggle (without Xilonen that is), but if you want her to sub Xiangling then she works just fine without Natlan teammates
So we assuming 12/13 hits xiangling and shes 17% behind mavuika? doesnt this mean xiangling can match mavuika's off field dps with better driving, backpedal alr gets more than 13 hits and double hitting can get 20ish overall. I really doubt mavuika can replace xiangling in international.
She can surely replace childe in international if you are gonna be that tryhard.
@luminous3558 i want to use childe mate, if she cant replace anyone in internat then shes a skip. Why would anyone recommend to replace the on fielder when thats usually the character they want to play
@@x3m9x well sadly she sucks for international with childe and raiden rational so there's that
@@x3m9x the most important question: why would u talk abt replacing the main dps when the topic is about her sub dps capabilities? the conversation now is whether or not she can replace xiangling, the only strong pyro sub dps we have til today that remained meta since 1.0, and ppl are like "well shes stronger if u keep her on-field" like no shit but thats not the role were looking for lmao. we really just need to wait for her release, but as of now its clear that theres sooo many diff factors this guy did not discuss
@@isa_saige who are you replying to? I never said to replace the main dps. Heck ive never even wrote the word “main dps”
Can we actually have more comparison of teams that do not use Xilonen?
exactly lmao. calc her without xilonen and she's so much worse.
Impossible, you need Xilonen. She is the only Natlan support that can "battery" Mavuika, at least for now.
you can't 😂
7:28
You'd be running Xilonen regardless because she's just that good.
how exactly is mavuika supposed to reapply the cinder city buff on a kinich team? there needs to be a hydro to clear the pyro/burn aura.
She doesn't and tgs has considered that in his calculations
Bennett, Mavuika, Furina, you're welcome
@ mavuika’s pyro app won’t be fast enough to keep up with furina.
if you don’t have furina thats on you
@@Spacecowboy1997 i do, furina’s hydro app is just barely too fast for mavuika to keep up with, meaning you’ll get very little burn up time and only a few burgeons per rotation.
People who skip all Natlan Character for Mavuika : 💀💀
R.I.P us 😂😂 and we are targeting citlali only. Gramps needs granny 😂😂
@mamunabdulla781 i mean, pull Citlali than Mavuika are good move cuz she will become Myth Just like Shenhe and Wrio 😅
Don't worry they can generate fighting spirit with Kachina
Yes we are doomed after seeing her kit I pulled neuvilette
I got mualani and xilolen ,I'm set
She supports your team by destroying the enemy so your DPS doesn’t have to lift a finger ( a comment from the UA-cam comment section)
I'm gonna be blunt, if teambuilding in Genshin is ever going to improve Bennett needs to be essentially totally removed from the game. Every single attack scaler not named Xiao being permanently shackled to him is absolutely ruining every new unit for me.
The Abyss has two sides, the one with Bennett on it and the one that doesn't. I don't need ANOTHER goddamn Bennett unit.
Mualani doesn't use Bennett. Chasca doesn't need him either. He's good with her but not mandatory at all. But you probably skipped both.
@lotharschramm5000 Mualani's an HP scaler and Chasca totally wants Bennett. Her two best teams are Bennett/Furina and then either Xiangling or Ororon.
That being said, I did skip them, but that's because I prefer melee units. I'm not sure what's up with the accusatory tone there.
@@hedgeyes6411 People just have insane XL brainrot they fail to see that Bennett is the actual problem behind it all. He's so much more egregious and game-warping, his existence forces the devs to undertune ATK scalers and players who don't use him or run 2 ATK scalers in abyss get big nerfed because of it. It's actually insane how 90% of complaints towards Pyro support are directed towards XL instead of Bennett who's the real unbalanced abomination
Cryo atk buffer... trust!
@@lotharschramm5000 As a chasca haver she 100% needs bennett or her damage falls off hard. Can't blame her though all attack scaling characters need him
i skipped all natlan chars for mavuika 💀💀💀 pulled neuvillette instead 💪💪💪
Same. Went for his cons. Might as well make him the supreme being he is suppose to be.
Excellent choice…
Yeah same. Decided to spend all on his cons and right now he's at C4. He's so broken even at C4R1 lol
@bruhfadbruh3641 Dude same. I made it to C4 and yep, kills things dead. At least one character has to be godlike right?
If you at least got Ororon then you're saved (you can make the Chevreuse/Ororon team)
I'm still salty about her reliance on natlan characters
Let's be honest. The vast majority of teams want either one of Kazuha or Xilonen, and if they want Furina (which many do) they prefer Xilonen already. Mavuika needing Xilonen is not too big of a change to most teams. Also, Arlecchino and Chlorinde can provide Mav burst with their NAs.
She can still burst at 100 figthing spirit
It's just reliance on Xilonen who is a must-have as an improvement to Kazuha that also buffs with new Natlan set and heals
She is going to fall off so fast once natlan ends
@@falsevacuum4667xilonen imo doesn’t provide nearly enough healing for furina
Feels terrible
I mean 12 sec is a good uptime but having her cd 18 sec is kinda meh for me I want archons to be the easiest to play so making her skill cd lower than uptime is better than having to wait for it. that's my hot take. ✌️
Genshin: If you want to solve this problem then pull for C1 to extend her E duration (which still didn't solve it lol)
No International? I see. So that settles one of my questions. My Tartaglia though, poor guy.
😂😂😂
@@Eanki_ OPPA XIANGLING
bruh then the cooldown should be 12 seconds, allowing you to have that shorter rotation, but full
uptime if you needed it
Yeah. I think TGS mistook the Q's cooldown as the E's cooldown
@@Surprised_Synth Considering the size of her A4(?) buff and dmg, it may simply be worth it to wait out the 18s and get the burst again if you can pull off the cost?
I'd say the Kinich comparison is pretty unfair. Kinich would not have 150 ER on the Xiangling team because its better to build damage than burst every rotation. In addition, while the graphic mentions that Scroll CANNOT refresh on enemies already burning, you don't actually mention it while speaking about the damage difference. You should have displayed some kind of graph showing the team DPS after 1, 2, and 3 rotations so we can actually see the difference between Mavuika's single rotation scroll trigger vs Xiangling.
Xiangling is not doing any damage in kinich teams even if you waste bennett uptime on her. Stop it bro just let it go :)
you generally should run furina with xiangling
The real winners here are the new players who still don't have C4 Xiangling and The Catch. Good for them, I say. ^_^
but big difference is mavu is 5* and xiangling is 4star and xianglings cons can be purchased from star glitter shops and every lantern rite fest , i agree mavu is stronger but yeah i personally think she is skippable unless people are running mualani or kinich /wrio teams or people want to main dps mavu , idk this is just my thinking :D i could be wrong
@@skitteronline she's not even that good for wrio teams. the mavuika xilonen team is worse than using furina vape-melt LMAO but of course he didn't compare furina with mavuika
@@vilfs is mavu that bad ? , this broke my heart :(
Xiangling: look what an archon needs to mimic a fraction of my power
For me, the main reason for pulling Mavuika was making my International team stronger and separate my fav Childe from the freaking Xianling... well, 2s cd says hello
Thing with rotation uptime is that for overworld exploration, experimentation and player freedom the uptime matters a lot for off field use and currently we've been forced to rely on horrible options for this case and have been waiting for this role to be filled so sucks seeing that PLUS the Natlan only stuff.
But then how will they sell her C1 lol
C1 extends her Skill duration
It's hard to press E for you?
Chasca answers all these issues perfectly but you skipped her, lol.
6 seconds cooldown is like.... Ayato/Clorinde downtime whicj feels super short? literally you can do a whole rotation 6 seconds will be gone
I don't think Xiangling will be replaced by Mavuika. Since she's a 4-star and she appears in every banner, 99.9% of players own her. And everyone will still play her.
2:30 Mavuika's skill cooldown (at least at v4) is 15 seconds, not 18. her burst has an 18 second cd tho
0:00: Guys! 🔥💯🗣️
11:07: And with this I’m done for today 🙏😔⛓️💥
11:16: Bye bye 🕊️✊👋
As a Navia main, I'm skeptical about her pyro application keeping up with crystal generation. However, her competition is C0 Furina who can get more value on another team (like Neuvillette) and Xiangling, who can also be inconsistent because of her energy needs. I guess we'll see.
Is ER really an issue in Navia teams? Since she's generally played with Benny
@@4_rol4 It depends, with Benny/Xiangling/Kachina or Zhongli I can usually burst every rotation with only ~130% ER at C0
@@lebazoid7130he’s asking if xlg has er problems, not navia
@@4_rol4 especially if you use 2 bennett skills in the rotation and feed the particles from the 2nd skill into Xiangling.
her app is enough for navia and xilonen crystals. one pyro app every 2 seconds. that means u need more than 2 geo apps per 2 seconds to not be enough
They messed up with her kit.
Players have been asking for bennet and xiangling replacement for 4 years but instead of that they made a arlechinno replacement.
Many people talk about how she can give cinders city buff as an support but if i need to use another natlan character to get 40% dmg then what set am i going to give to the other natlan support.
And most teams that need her as support dont even have 2 spaces available.
Yeah just not act like she replace xl too lmao. And we literally show you the team,dont know what you are talking at the end
@Jrmy_Makaveys teams that currently run Bennet and xiangling.
You will still put Bennet since his atk buff is still important and replace xiangling with mauvika but this way she will only get 100 stacks.
And they made her use the fighting spirit for no reason. After natlan ends she will have a hard time getting any new teams.
Trust me 100 stack will be enough..idk the actual math..but it will be just the same case as Furina early release.."oh you have to put teamwide healer in the team bla bla bla"..fast forward post Fontaine no one cares and rocking single target healers..
Other Natlan supports can use other supportive sets. Citlali can use Gilded. Ororon is more iffy but can use Noblesse or even Gilded himself for overloaded damage, and Xilonen can use Archaic Petra. So can use Kachina or she can use Tenacity.
So far, electro would be the only versatile element for keeping Cinder City on, since it can react with and trigger almost every element, just not anemo or geo.
I think an actual artifact set is the missing piece of the puzzle, like Mavuika is made in a way to use a better set than the 5.0 sets.
If Tha wasn't the case, was Mavuika only gonna stick with Golden Troupe as an objectively better Xiangling?
Like Cinder City is far more limited in teams than Golden Troupe. You benefit with more Golden Troupes in the team but not with more Cinder City users in a team.
Just as Zhongli had his artifact set after his release, actually 4 patches after he was launched. So we might see similar case with Mavuika. My bets are on the v5.4 set being a better Tenacity but less flexible. So +35% atk to team while elemental skill dmg is dealt in nightsoul blessing state, lasts 4 seconds, and a 2pc atk.
And Cinder City Mavuika is also pretty good. Buff dendro + pyro at same time or buff pyro + electro, or buff hydro + electro + pyro at same time or pyro + dendro + cryo at same time.
Honestly, Cinder City is at its best when it triggers on coexisting elemental auras. Those are pyro + dendro in burning, cryo + dendro, hydro + electro in electrocharged, and if triggered reverse vape and burgeon at same time.
With Mavuika's weaker pyro against melt, we might find a case where she surpasses Xiangling due to buffing triple elements with pyro, cryo, and dendro, so buffing wriothesley, Mavuika herself, and Emilie.
Cryo not having a reaction with dendro is an unexpected positive and simply because of Cinder City. Applying pyro to an enemy with both dendro and cryo causes forward melt and burning at the same time.
@@prashannarajkhadka7309that depends. Just as Bond of Life was made accessible with thr craftable Fontaine weapons, we might see that come to play in Natlan- weapons (likely gacha) that give nightsoul blessing and some buff tied to duration of the nightsoul. In a way, you don't necessarily have Marechaussee Hunter powercreep because it is limited by ownership of a Natlan gacha weapon to use Obsidian Codex on the character.
Or a character that gives nightsoul blessing may come, and it doesn't have to be the archon. Like, Bond of Life isn't something made unique to one character, but is actually something a few weapons, Clorinde, Arlecchino, and Sigewinne can do.
So gacha nightsoul giving weapons might be the plan. There are like 3 gacha weapon series per region.
theres actually something to note about mavuika in dendro teams
Just a quick and careful reminder since we're about to get Pyro-Natlan Characters. The Natlan Support Set has a tricky requirement if you plan to give it to a Pyro character and hope to support Kinich with it. This issue is something to consider vs Bosses and tough abyss waves
The PyroCinder holder needs to apply Pyro on an enemy with Dendro. This is easy on the first rotation yes, but after Kinich is done with his combo, we now have Pyro on the enemy! Unless you want to be idle for a long amount of time to wait for the Pyro to fade, your Pyro support can no longer proc Cinder City. If it is multiwave content, this shouldn't be too much of a problem, unless Pyro has long uptime.
As a consequence, teams with only Dendro and Pyro cannot proc Cinder City each rotation for Kinich.
Emilie-Bennett-[PyroNatlan]-Kinich? Cinder City will only proc on the start.
To work around this, you need to turn into a burgeon team [add Furina/Xq/Yelan/Koko/Sigewine]. If the PyroNatlan support can hit bloom seeds, that counts as a Pyro-Dendro reaction for Cinder City. The Hydro also extinguishes burning, leaving Dendro and will let Pyro trigger Burning again.
You can also go with Electro to turn into a BurningLoad team and let Electro blast away the Pyro to let fresh Dendro start the rotation and Pyro gets to Burn. You will probably prefer double dendro-pyro-electro for this.
TLDR:
Kinich Double Dendro Double Pyro should reconsider using CinderCity vs Bosses.
If you plan to force using Pyro-CinderCity for him, potential comps include:
Dendro Dendro Hydro Pyro
Dendro Dendro Electro Pyro
Pyro Pyro Hydro Dendro
this was from the kinich subreddit btw
This is considered in the calcs, the team is still really good because the first rotation does very very high dmg. It's more of an issue against bosses than mobs btw
@@TheGenshinScientist just wanted to point it out for kinich players since there was no mention of it in the video
but damn you already covered that front
keep pushing the anti xiangling agenda
this shall improve moral
@@Onion_wavythanks for the info !
Or you could do Kinich's burst after his rotation
So you’re telling me that she is barely beating out Xiangling with Xilonen? A character that is already gone? I’m sorry, but that’s really high investment to barely beat a free four star.
And she ain't beating anything in some national variants 🤡
like i have to roll for two character 5*s (guaranteed at 360 wishes) just to get a 16% increase on my wrio?? i could get his signature weapon lmao that's a 16% increase too and arguably cheaper
@@vilfsAnd if he ever comes back, his c1 is markedly a better damage increase.
Yeah im disappointed so far, 5star an archon status at that, barely beat a 4star that exist since 1.0 also requiring equal or more investment not exactly an exciting news
1.0 4 stars are busted, barely any Archon at C0 is more than 10% stronger.
C0 Raiden vs Fiscle? Fiscle does more damage in National, Overload and Agravate teams.
C0 Venti vs Sucrose? Sucrose will be better for abyss 90% of the time especially floor 12 that is basically Venti proof.
C0 Furina vs Xinqui? Barely more damage and worse aplication and while her buffing elevates her so does Mavuika with the scroll set.
Zhongli has no competition since he is mostly a shield bot altough all 4 star geo units from 1.0 like Noelle and Ningyuan outdamages him.
And thats not even Mavuikas main role, she is the most powerfull DPS in the game with her current kit with her current numbers at C0 beating Arlechino C2 and her C2 beating Arles C6.
and XL's crown stays untouched
you didn't watch the video nor understand what this is about
Wrong.
Pyro application on E + buffing + cinder city/noblesse. She's taken xiangling's off field spot
Someone didnt watch the video and went for ignorance it seems
??
If you get Xilonen and bannett and Mavuika C1 for extending her E duration
Then i guess it will be an upgrade
But without all of them i don't know
Maybe a 5 star side grad?
So low Application and uptime in exchange of no energy issue. Is that all?
+ being a limited 5 star
@@haroonafridi231Yeah let just act like her no icd application is not enough in almost all the team that is currently playef,lets not act like she also doesnt buff and lets not act like she also doesnt make easier damage than xl
But sure juste a limited 5 star who just has no energy issue,oh and mavuika has better uptime
@@ShubhamMachhi-u2p i didn't even say anything lol
I thought we were just mentioning the cons.
Of course she has pros too
Comparing her with a free 4star character from day 1 already make her the worst archon in the game. Plus her dps needs Natlan character to happen, which is another big restriction for archon.
Archon should be much better then this like the previous ones
Now we need Arrlechicno VS Mavuika!
HSR: " Our old units are getting powercrept!
Genshin Players: "Im tired of using the same old units, make stronger ones!"
I swr yall are never satisified
the only people who complain about power creep are the ones who follow the mantra "i pull base on personality" and get characters with crappy kits only to be upset when a more powerful character comes about. This "pull for who u like" mantra is so silly.
Yes. Let's look at the players instead of the developers and their decisions. Definitely not worth considering lmao
Benny and Ling have been on almost every banner for 5 years. We’re long past due. Power creep isn’t real in this game, it’s all horizontal. I just want faster pyro application with a bit of buffer. I don’t like Benny or Lings design either.
@@shonenhikada9254Huh? I only pull for who I like and I’m completely opposite. Power creep shouldn’t matter if you pull for who you like. I rarely ever pull for meta and every time I have it’s been a disappointment. Arlecchino, Kazuha, Zhongli, all super powerful but I’m not a fan of any of them and I barely use Kazhua or Zhongli anymore. I’d rather have Venti.
The only reason I pulled for Chasca is because she can fly, farms the same domain as mualani (which I love) and opens up some interesting team comps I’ve never played before
Mualani and Furina are the only character in the last two years I’ve actually really liked
@@rickybobby5153 nah i love my benny and xianling with r5 staff of homa , i don't need cheap cash grab replacements to powercreep them
I feel like the issue is not whether she's better or not. The issue is that it's always better to have a team where she is the main dps lol
Edit:
I find some answers to my comment really funny, so I'm gonna write this to clarify some of the points.
1. You don't really know who you are talking to, and assuming I'm some sort of "spreadshit player" is quite weird. I never followed the meta and just played the game the way i found funnier, trying weird staff or building characters as dps even if they were never meant to.
2. I think it's also really weird to comment such a thing on a channel that is focused on theorycrafting. Here we talk numbers, so make peace with it.
3. Whatever I say is my opinion, which in this case is also supported by facts. But that does NOT mean you HAVE TO play the game in a certain way. I like to think and understand the best way a character can be played, but that doesn't mean I'll play it that way. To me are 2 different kinds of fun: the first is like solving a puzzle, and the second is the relaxing type of fun.
4. There is no such "issue" per se with Mavuika being better as an ON FIELD DPS than a SUB DPS. It was a manner of speach to make it clear that her kit discourages player from playing her SUB DPS. That, again, DOES NOT mean that she's a bad SUB DPS or that you can't do whatever you want with her.
I hope this clear some misunderstandigs and make people realize that you are not forced to answer without having understood the point of the comment: that makes you look dumb and salty for no reason.
:)
ya forget her sub dps role she solos abyss herself biker gangsta
@@skyfires4499ofcourse that was a c6 showcase lol
Fine with me, I'm not going all the way to c6 just to play a character on-field no matter how much I like them
Nah as a C3 Mualani haver with top 0.01% artifacts Mavuika is just immediately replacing Xiangling as my pyro bot. I don't care how much damage Mavuika does I can literally do 1.5mil by pressing E. Her output is not even a factor. I'm just sick of keeping Xiangling's burst up.
Raiden is like this too, but people still like to play her hyperbloom...
Ganyu mains will never be able to replace xiangling until the game EOS 😂
Not true. Yes, Mavuika is an awful support for Ganyu but Xiangling hasn't been in any of Ganyu's top 5 teams in years lol.
i don't think the skill duration is the problem, but the cd
bennett still standing strong
Would be interested in a comparison with the Puro Traveler.
The fact is that for Kinich, it feels like the difference will not be great at all. Mavuika gives a 40% damage bonus, and the traveler gives almost 20% after the last changes, while his buff does not decrease over time. On both, the new support kit works only for the first time in the case of a team without a hydro. The only more or less visible difference is personal damage outside of combat, but Mavuika does not have snapshot mechanics on her E, so without overclocking damage from Bennet, she may not cause such significant personal damage outside of combat. Plus Kinich, like Emilia, are heroes who hit the same goal, so AOE Mavuika can certainly be useful, but whether such micro-improvements are worth their money and primogems is an open question for me.
Mualani is also able to use vaporize with both the traveler and Mavuika. At the same time, both cease to give reliable pyro status in the 2 hydro character scenario.
I'm afraid it's the same scenario with a lot of other characters (maybe except for Wriothesley and other exceptions):
- Mavuika gives more AOE and damage, but the buff will be used as much as possible only by half without a Shilonen, which corresponds to the traveler;
- The pyro status is equally "liquid" for most status-demanding teams in both, this is shown in the tests of the same Mualani at Genshin Kitchen;
- Due to the lack of snapshot mechanics in Mavuika, we have a difference in damage at the level of 6 hits for Mavuika versus 4 for Traveler; a higher raw impact multiplier for Mavuika;
At the same time, if we do not talk about Kinich, both of them can use the scroll set.
These are my thoughts, so correct me if I'm wrong. It's just that Nahida gave significant improvements compared to the free traveler - the status is not tied to the territory, the kit is aimed at support, gives a lot of MS, personal damage is higher, c2 gives a massive boost to team damage (about 20-25%, unlike Mavuika, which gives only 10 percent for the team). Furina gives a less reliable status than Xingqiu or Elan, while giving a huge damage multiplier from the ult for everyone. Her c1 and c2 are also very good for team support and remove most of the restrictions on using mass healing and more. Her E, perhaps, hits more painfully and many times longer than Mavuika's E. In general, it's sad, sorry for the English, everything is through translation.
Mavuika VS Xiangling: one of them is free C6 in 4 months, one of them doesn't need to buy constellations or weapon, one of them works in any team not just natlan. Flawless victory for...
OPPA
I have one letter to all XL masohists: E.
@@handsomejack2201E-waste
Have fun pulling c2 of some character you dont want just to get c6 xiangling in 4 months...
Ayato mentioned???
I will dispatch you in 8 rotations,(bgm starts) Kamisato art suiyuuuuuu....
i'd probably just get mavuika on her rerun if there wont be any capitano news by that time.
citlali's kit simply is much more interesting.
and besides, since you get a free pyro cinder set user (pyro mc) , it's better to prioritze getting the cryo cinder set.
i wouldve get mavuika on release if i fail to get chasca.
joyriding a bike looks great, but unlimited flight is unbeatable.
i cant believe im skipping a character that has both of my "must pull" criteria, an archon, and an adult female.
Lmao I wheezed when He brought up that Mavuika got better constellations.
pyro archon holding on for dear life to compete with a release four star. hybrid archons are doomed to get powercrept soon while ones like nahida furina zhongli will stay good till EOS
@OeshikXLR Lol Raiden won't get powercrept too like I don't see them releasing a unit that enables a team while battery-ing it. This is why I don't like how Main DPS centered they made Mavuika's kit cause DPS units are easy to powercrept. Would be nice if she made her have a utility that she can only do best like the other Archons such as Zhongli's shield, Raiden's battery/team driver prowess for Burst centered off-field dps teams cause of her absolute Interrupt resistance, Nahida's unmatched dendro application and Furina's huge DMG% buffs. It would be better if they made her a premium version of Bennett instead. An ATK buffer that rivals bennett would be very nice
@@OeshikXLRyour furina that was said to be barely an upgrade in some team than xingqiu ?? This furina,yeah y all so funny
And its 10-20 percent more better ,there is no holding for dear life when shes that better on not even her primar role
Acting like the current best pyro sub dps who is also top 3 main dps wont stay good is crazy when the previous best pyro sub dps has been great since 4 years and will still stay as it is
@@S3tsuna1raiden is not meta anymore no one cares about her specificity
@@Jrmy_Makaveys Obviously there is she still got a high pick rate in Abyss? averaging 30%+ depending on the Abyss line up that's like within top 15 most used unit in the abyss. Having the same pick rate as Xiangling and Xingqui in the past two abyss cycle is not meta huh LMAO
I just wanted a strong pyro sub dps for my Lyney since i hate using xiangling with him and Furina is so valuable on most teams.
Mavuika should be fine.
Off field pyro E application + buffing + cinder city.
If reactions are a worry someone like citlali should work fine. She's buffing oyro + hydro units and giving a shield + cryo application. So a 3 pyro + citlali will be great
>he thought the god of war archon of pyro would be better than the head chef of wanmin restaurant
It's too bad she's apparently a sidegrade at best in Childe teams (and pre-V3 too) only being an upgrade at either C2 Mav or C2 Xilonen. It's the first team I thought of for "Xiangling alternative with extra buffing"
Who??
Marginally better than XL and not even close to Benny. I'm happy because I don't have to invest in another unit to achieve practically the same thing I already do without it. I'd rather save up and invest in Furina, that's a unit worth it from every angle you look at it. That's what an Archon should be, even Citlali is a better value than Mavuika.
1.0 4 stars are busted, barely any Archon at C0 is more than 10% stronger.
C0 Raiden vs Fiscle? Fiscle does more damage in National, Overload and Agravate teams.
C0 Venti vs Sucrose? Sucrose will be better for abyss 90% of the time especially floor 12 that is basically Venti proof.
C0 Furina vs Xinqui? Barely more damage and worse aplication and while her buffing elevates her so does Mavuika with the scroll set.
Zhongli has no competition since he is mostly a shield bot altough all 4 star geo units from 1.0 like Noelle and Ningyuan outdamages him.
And thats not even Mavuikas main role, she is the most powerfull DPS in the game with her current kit with her current numbers at C0 beating Arlechino C2 and her C2 beating Arles C6.
17% better on vape is not marginal. Thats 17% better than the best off field pyro in the game since its inception. And she can maindps. If you dont see that as a massive upgrade i dunno what to tell you.
@@johns783 it's amazing we see the calcs and still theyre not able to process the substantial increase, their brains fall back to the reddit doomposters. U can see the numbers!
Can't wait for January 1 for such braindead takes to disappear because i am getting brain damage from people's inability to understand anything about this character. And holy fk is it frustrating.
SAME FREAKING COMMENT WITH FURINA AND XINGQIU LAST YEAR
Welcome to the hypocrisy at his finest
2:24 the cooldown her her skill is 15s☝🏾🤓
Xiangling can be claimed for Free, Mavuika can be claimed for 200-400 dollars or a 1-2 patches of skipping
That's the difference.
Xiangling must go
Something to note is that if you want to further the consistency of pyro app with Mavuika, you can pair her with PMC, preferably activate their skill after Mavuika's. It is similar to the og Bennet/Xiangling combo except there is no ER required here to pull it of and both Mavuika and PMC can buff your character slightly more universally.
You can do the same with xialngling, put a fav sword on MC and the natlan artifact and U gained every good point Mavuika could have covered
@@fuyuhikokuzuryuu9265 what about mavuika burst damage?
@@IgotYou-ds5uvare you questioning Xiangling's burst damage or am i tripping?
@fuyuhikokuzuryuu9265 so now we have two pyro cores, well that a good thing too
@@perchatka mavuika skill do more damage than xiangling burst. With mavuika burst damage, xiangling cant compete
Is there any team her 2 second pyro application restriction an actual DPS loss in compared to Xiangling? Really wished they buffed it to 1.5 per trigger
mualani double hydro
just about every vape/melt team
scroll doesnt compensate for losing reactions
putting a dendro unit to remedy this is still a dps loss
only forward vape furina and forward vape neuvilette needs more than 1 pyro per 2 seconds iirc
furina variants. most cases mav's app can't keep up
@@ragingflare123 probably internat, i ran stupid calcs on optimizer and lil bro optimizer. Kazuha bennett xiangling childe vs xilonen mavuika bennett childe. Mavuika is on codex and xilonen is on scroll. Mav variant is 100k more dpr but thats assuming 12 vape and 2 unvape xiangling hits. With better driving, xiangling can hit 16-20 hits. So you can see that xiangling will outdmg her in this team specifically.
I tried putting xilonen on noblesse and mavuika on scroll cuz mav codex is bricking childes dmg since double crystallizing is literally impossible. This variant already got mogged by xianglings variant (12 vape and 2 unvape).
Lastly, another problem with running mavuika in this team is the rotation. I legit cant think of rotation thats:
1. Doesnt take too long to setup
2. Mav’s nuke and at least 5Es vape
3. Childe’s nuke to vape
4. Childe would not be on CD when hes needed (so benny Q > xilonen E > childe rQ En1 > mavuika Q E > childe would not work. I can however on field mavuika while the wait but whats the point of using childe where yelan/furina is just infinitely better in this scenario?)
Why you all are surprised that 5 star of newest character in NEW REGION with NEW MECHANIC is perform better than a girl that has been with us since early Genshin and a 4 star too at that?! You SHOULD be surprised when Mavuika doesn't perform any better than Xiangling, but when Mavuika somehow perform better than Xiangling, it SUPPOSED to be that way.
Who would have thought comparing a 4* from 1.0 to a 5* / archon
Yeah lets not act the character that is really tied with your char in your pp didnt have the same complain
@@Jrmy_Makaveys what? 🤣
@@mainfish88 that guy just be yapping neuvillette doesn't even need teams to do incredible dmg,support just makes him too overpowered than he already is and i genuinely never seen neuvi being tied to characters when tons of players including streamers said neuvillette can solo the game events on his own😂 they straight crying neuvillette is better than their favs
Considering regional mechanism, Mavuika relevance doesn’t look good in long term.
In normal situation it won’t matter and you can concern only about damage.
However, unlike EM-based or HP-flux, now Hoyo leans to create mechanism that force you to pull new character to solve it (such like enemy which requires night soul to break shield) and gradually include in weekly boss and abyss.
Mualani, Kinich, Chasca have no problem welcoming new character in next region as long as their kit suit each other. But Mavuika must carry another Natlan to go with her, aka less 1 flexible slot.
Fortunately Xilonen is very universal, but if Snezhnaya dps doesn’t work well with Mavuika Q and we can only use her E turret, that’d be huge disappointment.
Now it's clearly we can see a sign that Xilonen might get her rerun later before the forgotten cryo characters gets one 😂🙏
What if I don't have Natlan characters (Xilonen, Citlali, Ororon)? Can Mavuika still be superior than Xiangling in the teams where you would already use Bennett anyway?
I'm a Ganyu main, so the team does not have space for two Natlan characters, since you need bennett and a dendro (Emilie, Nahida) for burning.
Normally you can use Pyro MC or Kachina as alternatives, or you can use a normal attacking character like Wanderer or Clorinde to generate her burst.
But in your specific case she'll be bad. Pyro can't reliably trigger the Cinder City buff on Burning unless you remove the Burning aura super quickly, and without normal attacks she'll only be bursting every other rotation. She can apply pyro comfortably, but she's not anymore effective than a Dehya with Sacrificial Greatsword.
yes. u dont need to run additional natlan chars but your main on-field DPS has to be one that uses normal attacks, and at least 14 of them per rotation (bcuz 14 normals = 21, and she generates 80 fighting spirit by herself. 21 + 80 = 101)
@@rafaelbittencourtmiranda4338 are you sure ganyu best teams require dendro? pretty sure she can be played in non-dendro variants as well that are competitive
@@renren.focalorsme I might be wrong but you'll need dendro if you play her with mav and plan to use ganyu's burst.
finally someone answering the big question
cant wait to get her!
Same. The doomposters are dumb.
been seeing a lot of conflicting thoughts on how Mavuika would work with Ganyu in Reverse Vape, especially with Xilonen or maybe even Citlali
it feels like the Pyro Application is ok for it but unsure especially if Ganyu is on Chronicled Wish coming up
did u mean reverse melt? i looked up ganyu's CA, she applies 2 cyro every 1.88 seconds according to kqm library. mavuika only applies once every 2s. so ud need to delay your shot. and u definitely can't run citlali or use ganyu burst. more than glad to be corrected tho if sum1 has better source 😅
@@renren.focalorsmeGanyu, Emilie, Mavuika, Xilonen? Does Emilie not fix the pyro application issue with burn?
@@Bifragura with dendro it wud be definitely be enough yea
@@renren.focalorsmedoes Ganyu's Charged Shots wipe out the burning aura or not? If she does, that let's Mavuika trigger burning so also buffing dendro so Emilie would get greater dps from it.
Having two Xianglings would be game changing whether she is better or a bit worse.
you left out vape melt teams with furina for wriothesley
What’s the best 4th teammate for that comp?
@@tehCostHD xiangling and bennett
@@vilfsah okay I figured it was bennet. I’ve been using Emilee over xiangling in that comp and have been really liking it
@@tehCostHD honestly if you're using burn-melt emilie, use thoma! his c6 gives you NA dmg bonus too and he's a very good option. idk why TGS compared the burn melt teams with nahida, when emilie is FAR better.
currently burn melt with emilie and thoma is also around 60k
@@vilfs use thoma over bennet??? Why is that?
First of all, this is extrimly funny video). How can a person suggest to use her burst as sub dps and when talk about support set? She needs Xilonen to burst, so it makes more sence to give set to her... Well I guess if the character is bad you need to cut some angles in order to promote her...
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If you have Arlecchino already you dont have to pull Mavuika (for gameplay wise)
Mavuika literally need heavy investment on her Constellation + Natlan buff (Xilonen and Citlali) to show her true potential make her team comps isnt a universial like Daddy Arle has.
How good is Mavuika's AOE compared to Xiangling? Would she be a damage increase in Childe team?
Mavuika fails to replace XL in internat and some melt teams. These are the teams TGS conveniently left out of his vids because it doesn't fit his agenda. This whole video is full of many flaws and dishonest infographics.
Mavuika, the Pyro Archon should be waaaay stronger that a 4* character released in 2020 that you get for free. Is stupid that the difference in damage is around 10%, if you ask me, not enough difference to be worth a pull.
Well she is not a Chinese character is the problem she’s from natland and the 4* is from lyuie which is china
@@latroyw4650say that to lan yan, maybe she has origins of natlan
We got another pyro dps that is slaved to bennet and xilonen. Great design mihoyo.
Its less about damage, and much more about comfort.
And keep in mind
THATS HER SECONDARY ROLE
Imagine having a char who is the best main-dps in the game, and the best of-field pyro applier in the game.
And you call her underwhelming.
It’s like if Ye Lan would have Nevilette’s damage, and would be doomposted because he is marginally better thab Xinnque
@@nationalgeografic7687 she offers something new to the game. A shield that can absorb any element that can be good against any enemy that deals cryo pyro electro and hydro with 250% absorbtion against their damage and can have Vv set. She’s from china too
Can you make a video on Pmc and their potential teams
FINALLY! I hate her ER issues😢
Meanwhile me chilling with 250% er and with Engulfing Lighting for lesser damage loss 😌
Enjoy not being able to use Mavuikas ult completely putside of natlan teams then
@@helge5565i only got catch and i have an er hungry raiden. That cook will STARVE🙏
@@helge5565 and yet she still struggles on my account... Mavuika will save pyro on my account trust ✊
@@hakugei-_-5800without other natlan characters mavuika can still use her burst every rotation 100 points cost(mavuika generates 80, teammates generate the rest)
But it’s just a burst without that support passive 50% dmg for the team so yeah, it’s clunky
2:24 her E has a cd of 15s, not 18s. 18s is her burst
Just a question will the def down of c2 mavuika add to 60% of raiden and makes it 80% or no?
Cuz if it does it really adds so much damage to raiden mayeb about 30-35% total damage , without calculating any buff from mavuika herself
It won't be that big because Raiden is ignore defense while Mavuika is defense down, it would actually be a smaller increase.
I may be completely wrong but
Maybe Mavuika will lower the 20% from total
And then from the remaining 80% Raiden with ignore 60%
So it will be like this maybe
100% - 20% = 80%
80% - 48% = 32% remains?
You forgot to mention that triggering scroll for kinich on 2nd rotation is hard if burning doesn’t extinguish (which it won’t with Emilie) and enemy is still alive
10:01 did you flip the dmg from xiangling and xilonen
Question: What is the BIS artifact for on field DPS Mavuika?
Codex can't be fully utilized right? She stops consuming nightsoul upon casting ult. This is not fixed in subsequent betas?
It feels so terrible even to pull for mauvika at this point 😢😢😢 she is the archon and I already prefarmed for her..... And now her uptime is bad than xiangling and I want to know what set can she use except cinder city ...coz I won't give her cinder city which is with xilonen atm.... I have few golden troupe pieces lying around.. I dont want her as DPS I want her as Sub DPS 😢😢😢 .please some one help me which set can I give her ???
And someone said she will be better dehya !!! Does she even have interruption mechanics ?? So that I can play her with neuvi and arle without getting interrupted
Well, if your xilonen equips cinder city set. Then, throw out golden troupe set on mavuika as sustainer. Easy bro. Stack buff over buff. 😂 I had golden troupe set farmed a while ago. It wasn't for mavuika but it will be soon.
@@mamunabdulla781 same here. I already have around 74/135 stat already .. but I heard mauvika has huge DMG in her burst which she will do onfeild and also her e skill has 6 secs downtime ... And also she lacks what dehya had interruption resist 😭😭😭😭
Why did you prefarm if you didn't want a carry? Are you stupid
@@wolf-c9tmaybe cuz they expected her as a sub dps, dummie?
I really hope it is like this, I main Wriothesley since Release and had hope since the Start from Natlan..... first to give Wrio much more dmg through Xilonen and Mavu, but also that Mavu really matches the Style i like (Biker Girl Lets go) so i hoped she would be usefull for him 😅 got scared when everyone said she is a main dps hypercarry, but like this it looks good to finally replace Xiangling in my Team
I tried doing the wrio melt team but with kazuha bennet and xilonen instead. Since kazuha procs pyro on his burst not to mention the intervals and applications are similar to mavuika I can say that you can still melt however you do need to time the pyro application but its still possible
Or you can just use:
wriothesley, emilie, Lynette w/freedom sworn or kazuha, and mavuika.
Wriothesley, mavuika, lynette/kazuha, benny [though because of Benny's circle impact + pyro on YOU means you get 1 shotted so much because of that burst self application similar to Barbara's E...]
You could use xilonen for his teams but there's no reason to if you want her on others.
@@nobody-xh6ii mavuika would need nightsoul to charge her ult so xilonen is absolutely needed. kazuha would be best on another team.
@@quicksilverdante4647 u can use pyro mc
@@quicksilverdante4647her pyro application is not from her burst. Plus you can burst at just 100 points of her burst. Which she gives 80 from just using her skill.
Yea sounds cool but my xingling does like 20 to 25k a hit with pyronato lol IDK we will see when she releases
Been waiting for this video🙏🏼
its crazy how xiangling and bennett are still goats
there is a special place with padded walls and a comfy jacket for anyone that uses petra.
i use my xiangling without bennet with mualani. i just shove all ER artifacts on her and favonius. also mona uses favonius too and helps with energy generation (she is the first one in the field so she can cast E without affecting the rotation since xilonen needs to buff hydro anyway). i don't even know if i can replace mona in this team, she has too many important roles and she buffs damage but a shitload (more than kazuha with 1000 em)
You can try yelan If you have venti's weapon, the damage is almost the same
Ain't no way people are complaining about a zero er, of field pyro applicator with a damage bonus buff and nuke.
Because she's the Archon. She should be the best of the best support and sub dpsing in the pyro category. We are SEVERELY lacking supports that don't have restrictions...
@@nobody-xh6ii She is, you'd rather use her over xl in majority of the teams. Even furina wasn't the best in every single comp that required a hydro off fielder
This is dumb man delete it😂
@@avocado321potatoemash8that's because hydro didn't need offield application as we already have yelan and xingqiu and they're fine unlike xiangling who is straight up annoying to play
@@Floppyturtle-rt1jw The guy literally said that archons should be the best of the best and i just said Mav is, you will literally use Mav over xl majority of the time
I don't think that the Pyro Archon herself can surpass a 4* character released alongside the game in 2020
Well, I mean.
Electro archon couldn’t
@@Uefetilol so true. No one complains about Fischl 😂
1.0 4 stars are busted, barely any Archon at C0 is more than 10% stronger.
C0 Raiden vs Fiscle? Fiscle does more damage in National, Overload and Agravate teams.
C0 Venti vs Sucrose? Sucrose will be better for abyss 90% of the time especially floor 12 that is basically Venti proof.
C0 Furina vs Xinqui? Barely more damage and worse aplication and while her buffing elevates her so does Mavuika with the scroll set.
Zhongli has no competition since he is mostly a shield bot altough all 4 star geo units from 1.0 like Noelle and Ningyuan outdamages him.
And thats not even Mavuikas main role, she is the most powerfull DPS in the game with her current kit with her current numbers at C0 beating Arlechino C2 and her C2 beating Arles C6.
@@Uefeti she did in hyperbloom tho
u forgot its a FREE 4 star in 2020 🤣
Thx ! About Mualani teams : no VV teamate for me (too boring for many reasons), so if Mavuika can be a better replacement for Dehya (Mualani / Xilo / Zhong Petra), I don't think she'll do the job in the Mualani / Elegy Yelan / Xilo team, such a solid team with no boring constraints. That's a big deal. Mavuika DPS? Not worth the resources with an over-invested Arlecchino. But what about Citlatli C2R1? Pyro/hydro res shred -40% (Kazuha) | +125 EM for her and +250 for teamates (Nahida) | buffs: +40% Elemental DMG (scroll) +28% DMG onfielder (arme R1), Furina like | RI/shield. Citlali hypes me up so much more.
I wonder if citlali can take zhong's spot
@@lolidemon3163 shield is not as effective for sure. But a highly invested Citlali will be more valuable to a box than just another DPS, however strong it may be.
Citlali isn't different from Kazuha except for the scroll, lol, wbich xilonen competes w her with.
@@starpeep5769 So a killer and premium team : Arlecchino C2R1/Scroll Citlali C2R1/ Noble Rosa 100% CR/Instructor Xilo C2R1 > Doomsday :D
Oh I see your point. If Mavuika was a pure sub DPS, it would often be a bad uptime, but if we take her on field abilities into account, she could easily make up for the gap while she is the active character.
I hope pyro traveller is a cope Mavuika replacement as a support. I just got extremely lucky and got c1 Neuvillette ( didnt own him at all before) and a Mona. Also i didnt want her anyway i dont want another dps would rather go for Citlali if i had the rescources.
pyro traveler is 1 pyro app every 3 seconds, she does not even have enough app for mualani 😔
@@renren.focalorsmeactually, I saw a video of pyro application with PMC w mualani and it was pretty good. Idk if anything changed bc I haven’t looked at their v2 and v3 changes, but PMC was keeping up with mualani without any dendro (burning reactions) and this was from this week so I’m assuming it’s updated
@@tojisleftit o yea i saw that video as well after my comment. i stand corrected 😂
@@renren.focalorsme oh, I thought you were saying PMC wasn’t good, mb. I play with female MC that’s why