@@om9959 how tf would he be stronger than his ult form,he likely did train,just not the whole time maybe trained periodacly.I get gohans potential is op but you overwank it too much,he at most would be as strong,stronger than fat buu. and broly gets destroyed by base vegito/gogeta cause family kame was legit weaker than a normal vegito base KI attack
A fair assessment. However I would counter argue 2 points in particular : 1: Alth Bio Broly technically IS the strongest Broly, his mental limitations and non existent fighting skills weaken him to such an extent that Goten and Trunks can damage him. For comparison we see such a phenomenon happen with the likes of Ginyu Goku or Cell MAX. 2 : There are more statements of Koyama later on who directly compares Broly to the likes of Kid Buu ( who's stronger than buuhan in the anime who somewhat scales to Janemba ). Also I'd note that Broly never truly used his full power in either movies. Whilst you might debate this for movie 8 , This is undeniable for Movie 10 as he only lost when was off guard. Thus Goku's statements of Janemba being the strongest fighter he faced thus far would be in the context of a severely supressed Broly. Koyama also mentions Goku can't defeat Broly in a traditional 1v1, further reinforcing that Broly is much closer to a Jiren like enemy power wise in contrast to your traditional Z or DBS enemy.
1. No it wouldn’t mean he is weaker it would just mean goten and trunks are that strong 2. I don’t trust Koyamas statements on twitter since he contradicts himself way too much and no longer has any links to toei… also I don’t see why broly would have been holding back when he was getting launched into the sun or rushing amped ssj goku that makes absolutely no senses with the only basis being Koyamas twitter which I already have issues with so it doesn’t debunk janembas statements and broly would only be unbeatable for that version of goku as ssg goku in bog would clown in broly due to being 70% of beerus who Koyama admitted was stronger than broly
@@mrperfectcell5079 1. Except Bio Broly's statements as the strongest would only be within the context of his full power that he wouldn't logically be able to access because of his mental limitations. 2. You could simply argue for movie 10 that by the time he was off guard, it was too late for him to use more power (afterall Cell had Gohan on the ropes and only died because Vegeta distracted him. Another example would be ressurection F Goku originally being done in by a ray gun despite being a SSGSS and obviously far faster and stronger than the projectile. Unfortunately DB doesn't really view speed in the same sense like in say Fist of the Blue star where characters can dodge attacks the moment they even feel their skin being touched. You can apply this same reasoning to m8 Broly after he was punched by Goku as well and that the reason the punch worked was because Broly was supressed and flat out not taking this amped goku very seriously as although shaken from the form initial, he immediately laughs it off afterwars. As you've shown, Kondo explains Broly's a character who isn't meant to "lose" per say so it would be consistent with his character to be too prideful and overconfident to hold back. I would still keep in mind Koyama's twitter statements regarding Broly as they are fairly consistent (I.e, he's above Vegito and Kid Buu, the strongest characters besides Goku in the Z anime). Also a bonus detail : M8 Broly could unironically accidentally roast Janemba to death 🗿.
I agree with the video but I just want to give more proof that all the movies don’t take place in one timeline. When someone asked Koyama specifically about Broly in Fusion Reborn, he said it’s better to treat them as being in separate timelines to not have to worry about consistency. Also, Fusion Reborn references the Namek Saga yet we see villains from Tree of Might and Lord Slug which makes no sense due to their placement in the canon timeline.
Koyama also said that he thought Broly and Janemba to be in different dimensions etc... so there can be arguments for both sides, in one tweet he also implied Bio Broly>Janemba=Movie 10 Broly>Movie 8 Broly
Gotta go for Super 13 on first impressions. I can’t see Goku being forced to absorb a spirit bomb in Super Saiyan to beat 16. But maybe I’m not thinking deeply enough
As powerful as Z Broly was, I don't think that he would be strong enough to fight super saiyan 3, even at his peak. Janemba being able to defeat super saiyan 3 Goku seems like definitive proof that Janemba was stronger than Z Broly.
“Super Saiyan 3” doesn’t have a set power level, this debate really hinges on how M8 SSJ Goku compares to SSJ3 Goku in Fusion Reborn. In fact, even that wouldn’t be definitive because it’s heavily implied by Takao Koyama that Broly only lost out of necessity for Goku to come out on top and save the day… yknow, for the sake of the movie.
Watch Movie 11, Goku was tasked to fight Broly alongside Pikkon...and this story's timeline is set after the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai was over via Daizenshu 6, So yeah Broly does have what it takes to fight SSJ3.
@@peanutmurgler The correlation ?! The movie's time chart which can be found on the Daizenshu 6 and the references to the tournament with Android 18 mentioning Hercule's promise about the prize money within the story for example, but it'd simply be best for me to suggest you to just go watch the movie.
Good video. Liked how quick and concise it was. 👍 I always thought Janemba pretty much boasted the strongest power. I think Koyama on Twitter has even gone as far as to say that Goku is number 1 (strongest) when it comes to the world of Dragon Ball but in a separate tweet, thinking that Broly is the strongest in terms his own personal perception. So I think this pretty lines up with everything else you’ve stated. (Not to mention other guides implying Broly came back during Fusion Reborn and by Gohan alone.) Well, unless you want to say Hirudegarn is the strongest cause of that “next villain who fights Goku, stronger” circumstance.
@@mrperfectcell5079 Koyama stated so? Didn’t you read what you were showing in the video? Koyama literally states Broly is the strongest asserting dominance over Toei stating Janemba is stronger,he said there is no one in the world who’s stronger than Broly even in the Z Anime too,except for Beerus. That alone defeats the point of making a video on it,Broly > Janemba. In fact,Koyama aside,every single og old dragonball game’s intro or outro or something animated had Broly fighting SS Gogeta and either holding his own or actually pushing Gogeta back,which supports it lol.
@@mvp746 I don’t give af what Koyama said those statements have alternative interpretations and don’t even line up with other things he has said more evidence points towards Janemba death of the author Stop Dickriding Koyama
@@mvp746 also idc what a non canon game depicts broly doing they coulda have just done that since those two are some of the most popular characters and just had them clash for cinematic effect
@@mrperfectcell5079 “stop dickriding koyama” well who should i “dickride” according to you? Because both Janemba and Broly are his creations and he ultimately decides which is stronger,as i said Toei tried,much like you to assert that Janemba is the strongest and they even had this statement in their official webpage,once Koyama came out saying Broly is stronger they took it down,if Toei is conceding to Broly > Janemba who tf are you to deny it lmfao? Its funny because i actually like your videos but they are horribly inaccurate at times.
1st in the second movie broly was defeated by plot alone not by familly kamehameha🤓🤓 2nd we dont speek about bio broly 💀💀 3rd (i don't know much about janemba) broly said that his power constantly rising he keeps on getting stronger the longer he fights so in theory he is stronger 4th( didn't finish the video so i don't know his opinion)
Your forgetting about hyrudagon (wrath of the dragon villain). He beat ss3 gotanks ss2 vegeta ultimate gohan. Ss3 goku needed to use the dragon fist to beat.
Hirduegan was about equal with ssj3 goku in terms of like base stats and Janemba beat ssj3 goku while probably holding back so Janemba has better feats
@@mrperfectcell5079hirduegon is not as popular as broly so I know why he wasn’t in the video instead of broly. Hirduegon bodied the ss3 lvl characters easily, ss3 goku could not hurt hirduegon resorting to a dragon fist (there’s some statement toei makes about the dragon fist that would make even whis worried). also since vegeta is a live and gohan has ultimate form this movie likely takes place after the buu arc meaning this goku is stronger than buu arc goku and fusion reborn goku. Ss3 goku dragon fist could also one shot janemba.
@@mattmcwhirt4146 the toei website suggests both that overman beats hirudegarn and that the gokus are the same strength Also gotenks and Gohan are not ssj3 goku level since they got one shot by hirudegarn Also prove he would kill janemba either the dragon fist
@@mrperfectcell5079 i said gotanks and gohan are ss3 lvl not goku ss3 lvl. If you remember the fight, ss2 goku is doing better than ss3 gotanks and ultimate gohan fighting hirduegon, then goku goes ss3 and still couldn’t hurt him forced goku to use dragon fist. Im saying this goku is stronger than goku from the buu arc and fusion reborn bc wrath of the dragon takes place after defeating kid buu and feats show that. Proof that wrath of the dragon ss3 goku Dragon fist could beat janemba: ss3 goku is relative to a suppressed janemba even if janemba was suppressed ss3 goku could still damage him. The dragon fist is directly stated to far surpassed goku himself, proving dragon fist should also blitz and one shot janemba. All of that provided you should change your video title to “who is the second strongest Dbz movie villain?” (No disrespect just teasing you😂).
@@mattmcwhirt4146 why exactly is the ssj3 goku in wrath of the dragon stronger than buu arc goku? you know you can argue even ssj goku beats ultimate gohan in the anime right? None of gokus attacks did anything but stagger janemba, goku literally hit him with a point blank energy blast and he tanked also if you acknowledge that janemba was holding back then wahts to say the dragon fist would beat a FP janemba when its only shown to work on people relative to goku also none of this goes against the toei website directly saying janemba was stronger
It maybe true Super Janemba has a higher degree of potential power and a vast array of reality hax on a universal scale while the true Broly was a multi galaxy buster that was destroying galaxies of the southern quadrant over years as a super saiyan while Janemba was only learning his abilities and already he altered and distorted reality on a macro universal scale thus would naturally have a greater edge in a scenario of them fighting right away. However there is one complaint I have. No way is Bio Broly stronger then the real true Legendary Super Saiyan Broly. Bio Broly is just a cheap knock off flash clone with no mind and just a near mindless monster with barely any personality or complex thoughts who gets harmed by two Super Saiyan kids who don't have much experience nor the same durability as Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks had while fighting the true living Legendary Super Saiyan Broly. Even if they are the mastered Super Saiyan grade 4 they are still young youths not even in their adolescent years yet so no way have they fully developed all it's power. And Remember Bio Broly is a flash clone made from a piece of dried blood of the true Broly who died. There definitely is going to be some degrading aspects about the clone.
He is bio broly is stated to be stronger on more than one occasion and is literally a genetically enhanced clone or broly I don’t see how they are any weaker… official statements override your own personal headcanon If goten and trunks are fighting that broly then that just means they are that strong.. Goten literally became a MSSJ stronger than piccolo at 7 years old they have crazy potential so I don’t find it hard to believe they could beat bio broly especially since the moves take place in an alternate dimension
@@mrperfectcell5079 What is shown however shows the statements being quite empty and meaningless about Bio Broly. You are seriously declaring young Trunks and Goten are stronger then all those Super Saiyans in Legendary Super Saiyan combined with little actual proof to the statement itself? Don't you think it is a bit fallacious with bo evidence with that? Or even a false paradigm that should be tested? Bio Broly is just a clone. Not the real Broly. If even Android 18 and Krillin can aid Trunk and Goten in damaging Bio Broly then something about this Bio Broly doesn't perform nor reflect properly what the directors statements wants us to believe. The narrative in the film doesn't show it at all. This is why I don't always believe in statements alone.
@@mrperfectcell5079ok but z broly fought ssj2 Gohan ssj Goku and goten in the second coming. There is no way krillin kid Trunks and kid Goten are beating ssj2 gohan by himself let alone fighting with ssj goku. Death of the author in this instance. Feats are always greater than statements. Chances are whoever scripted bio broly did not even bother with making the correct power scaling and just said "yeah this broly is stronger cause I said so.".
@@mrperfectcell5079it could even be a translation error like kid buu being stated as the strongest version of buu when the actual statement is the most dangerous version as kid buu is evil incarnate and truly craves nothing but death mayhem and destruction. He literally killed everyone and then went to heaven to run the fade again.
@@nathanchristman6660 First off krillin literally did nothing to bio broly.. and secondly ssj goten and trunks just got stronger which is made evident via fighting a stronger broly.. and it isn't because "I said so" if i am literally using official statements to say how strong he is wtf?
@@mrperfectcell5079hirudegarn definitely has better feats. He beat ssj3 Goku, he beat gotenks and vegita and I believe Gohan still was fighting in mystic. Which he beat all with 0 difficulty and absolutely lost to plot armor
@@mrperfectcell5079 i think we both know that mystic Gohan is stronger than ssj Goku tho. Goku has probably had slightly more power than the buus but couldn't outlast them while Gohan would take down all the pre absorbed buu's easy. Ssj3 also has a bad showing in DBZ with sustaining the same power while mystic Gohan can probably go hours
@@Hexocrypha uhh goku in the anime 100% bodies gohan He could fight a buu stronger than buuhan He beat a clone of ultimate Gohan equal to the original He could fight super buu just as a ssj1 He put up a better fight against buutenks than Gohan And he is just verbatim called the strongest in several guides
Mfs give dbz broly wayyyyy too much credit😂 bro got beat by a full power super saiyan then a rusty ssj2 then 2 kids and an android😂😂😂😂 meanwhile janemba was tearing dimensions apart and beat ssj3 goku, who was stronger than he was on the buu arc. Janemba wins low diff
I reallly enjoyed your video mrperfectcell. However something of note is that you heavily downplayed the afterlife shaking feat. First of all the calculation showed on screen is used as an assumption if the db universe is as big as ours which is not and is in fact infinite in size especially when you take into account a solar system in the verse has galactic nebulae's l. Second of all the afterlife itself is way bigger than the living universe as the grand kai's planet which is comparable in size to the universe disappears in the background of the afterlife easily. One other thing you forgot to mention was that goku in the movie also says that janemba was warping every single dimension in reality which would include all the universal sized realms in the macrocosm. And finally, goku already says that first form janemba is stronger than any ki he has felt
umm... the calc i used takes into account that the db universe is bigger than ours and i said if you think its infinite it would be high uni also i watched the entire fusion reborn movie and goku never said that janemba was affecting every dimension also i brought up that statement about janemba having the strongest ki goku has felt in the video
This is about the villains from the original 13 Dragonball Z movies. Besides, while Beerus was an antagonist during the battle of gods movie, he wasn't necessarily a villain.
Broly could beat most of the characters in canon and could wipe out galaxies if not universes in his weaker form how tf is he overrated ur just saying shit
@@Invisibleboy999 by “overrated” I’m taking about people who think broly>>vegito,buuhan,kid buu ETC.Also wiping out galaxies and destroying the universe isn’t really impressive as both cell and even namek frieza have universal statements.
@@extremelegendsupreme4596 why is yall way of downplaying broly wanking frieza and cell 😭 cell is only stated to destroy solar systems meaning he would only destroy universes overtime and with frieza it could easily just be hes able to rule over everything in the galaxy especially since namek saga characters are only around the star lvl ranges. Cell has 0 feats/statements stating he can one shot galaxies and his statement of “destroying the universe” could be like in 100+ yrs while broly even with a saiyan life span even while in a weaker transformation has shown on screen to be destroying the south galaxy which is a cluster of galaxies thats made up of potentially infinite galaxies meaning that he should at least be able to destroy 100-1000s of galaxies in either one attack or very very quick succession so hes far stronger then cell or frieza. Also by ur logic beerus janemba and buuhan wouldnt be that impressive either
Janemba Wins That Broly has no control 😂 & CANT CATCH HIM 😅 This version of Broly is just like the Hulk Cry & Get Strong No substance at all Fusion Gogeta Beats Broly in less then 10 Seconds Broly has a Limit when completely overwhelmed That Broly isn’t even a Fighter He’s just an Animal No honour no grace no skill Looks Kool but not my type of character tbh I think Bio Broly is the Worst DBZ movie ever What a decline in legacy 😂😂😂 This is why Cell Max was a complete let down Cell being conniving & sneaky Then wise & calculated Then egotistical & Competitive Half of a good character is down to their substance and mindset When a character only has the brawn It simply doesn’t work for ME Batman is Top3 because his character development Spider-Man, the same I hate Superman but he’s Top3 This is why the Buu Ark was Bad I think Dragonball has learnt from their mistakes Characters that don’t have much substance seem to be poorly received But then we get CELL MAX 🫥 NO REGENERATION NO DIALECT WHATSOEVER Stop making these poor characters This is why Goku Black was successful 😓
broly is a menace who never stops getting stronger vs janemba is interesting. but, janemba is comparable to ssj3 goku who is 4x as strong than ssj2 gohan in the cell games. The broly movie (the first) happens before ssj2 if you forgot. And ssj3 is stronger in the janemba movie so broly would lose.
Broly was so strong he became Canon… what the fck can Janemba do to that😭
Ngl canon janemba would be possible maybe like before top and 1 day after goku black
Janemba has the strongest DBZ movie villain status. That's what he can do to that
@@skioncarbury9264😭😭
That's not even the same broly lol
Yeah but he lost his balls in the process
This topic is really easy to respond. Janemba has all the feats, scaling, statements and implications to beat broly from dbz
Janemba was knocking around a SSJ3 Movie Goku, Broly was ragdolling the Cell Saga Super Saiyans.
I think it would it makes sense for second coming broly to be as strong ssj3 goku
@@coop444.Actually ,in movie gohan never stopped training and likely gotten way stronger than his ultimate form.Broly still ragdolled him.
@@om9959 how tf would he be stronger than his ult form,he likely did train,just not the whole time maybe trained periodacly.I get gohans potential is op but you overwank it too much,he at most would be as strong,stronger than fat buu. and broly gets destroyed by base vegito/gogeta cause family kame was legit weaker than a normal vegito base KI attack
But the movies are not connected so why would that matter ?
Tree of might would be great to powerscale.
You could take turles crew and sick them on others verses after establishing their stats.
A fair assessment. However I would counter argue 2 points in particular :
1: Alth Bio Broly technically IS the strongest Broly, his mental limitations and non existent fighting skills weaken him to such an extent that Goten and Trunks can damage him. For comparison we see such a phenomenon happen with the likes of Ginyu Goku or Cell MAX.
2 : There are more statements of Koyama later on who directly compares Broly to the likes of Kid Buu ( who's stronger than buuhan in the anime who somewhat scales to Janemba ).
Also I'd note that Broly never truly used his full power in either movies. Whilst you might debate this for movie 8 , This is undeniable for Movie 10 as he only lost when was off guard. Thus Goku's statements of Janemba being the strongest fighter he faced thus far would be in the context of a severely supressed Broly. Koyama also mentions Goku can't defeat Broly in a traditional 1v1, further reinforcing that Broly is much closer to a Jiren like enemy power wise in contrast to your traditional Z or DBS enemy.
1. No it wouldn’t mean he is weaker it would just mean goten and trunks are that strong
2. I don’t trust Koyamas statements on twitter since he contradicts himself way too much and no longer has any links to toei… also I don’t see why broly would have been holding back when he was getting launched into the sun or rushing amped ssj goku that makes absolutely no senses with the only basis being Koyamas twitter which I already have issues with so it doesn’t debunk janembas statements and broly would only be unbeatable for that version of goku as ssg goku in bog would clown in broly due to being 70% of beerus who Koyama admitted was stronger than broly
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1. Except Bio Broly's statements as the strongest would only be within the context of his full power that he wouldn't logically be able to access because of his mental limitations.
2. You could simply argue for movie 10 that by the time he was off guard, it was too late for him to use more power (afterall Cell had Gohan on the ropes and only died because Vegeta distracted him. Another example would be ressurection F Goku originally being done in by a ray gun despite being a SSGSS and obviously far faster and stronger than the projectile.
Unfortunately DB doesn't really view speed in the same sense like in say Fist of the Blue star where characters can dodge attacks the moment they even feel their skin being touched. You can apply this same reasoning to m8 Broly after he was punched by Goku as well and that the reason the punch worked was because Broly was supressed and flat out not taking this amped goku very seriously as although shaken from the form initial, he immediately laughs it off afterwars. As you've shown, Kondo explains Broly's a character who isn't meant to "lose" per say so it would be consistent with his character to be too prideful and overconfident to hold back.
I would still keep in mind Koyama's twitter statements regarding Broly as they are fairly consistent (I.e, he's above Vegito and Kid Buu, the strongest characters besides Goku in the Z anime).
Also a bonus detail : M8 Broly could unironically accidentally roast Janemba to death 🗿.
A Z movie power scale video would be awesome
nice edits bro
I agree with the video but I just want to give more proof that all the movies don’t take place in one timeline. When someone asked Koyama specifically about Broly in Fusion Reborn, he said it’s better to treat them as being in separate timelines to not have to worry about consistency. Also, Fusion Reborn references the Namek Saga yet we see villains from Tree of Might and Lord Slug which makes no sense due to their placement in the canon timeline.
Koyama also said that he thought Broly and Janemba to be in different dimensions etc... so there can be arguments for both sides, in one tweet he also implied Bio Broly>Janemba=Movie 10 Broly>Movie 8 Broly
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*Super 13 vs Android 16*
Gotta go for Super 13 on first impressions. I can’t see Goku being forced to absorb a spirit bomb in Super Saiyan to beat 16. But maybe I’m not thinking deeply enough
The only thing that defeated broly was the writing
I'm so glad Janemba is the strongest, he's just so cool
Great Video!
Do broly vs hirudegarn
Do a dceu vid
Janemba
Neither, as Hirudegarn exists :)
"Slight bias"
As powerful as Z Broly was, I don't think that he would be strong enough to fight super saiyan 3, even at his peak. Janemba being able to defeat super saiyan 3 Goku seems like definitive proof that Janemba was stronger than Z Broly.
“Super Saiyan 3” doesn’t have a set power level, this debate really hinges on how M8 SSJ Goku compares to SSJ3 Goku in Fusion Reborn. In fact, even that wouldn’t be definitive because it’s heavily implied by Takao Koyama that Broly only lost out of necessity for Goku to come out on top and save the day… yknow, for the sake of the movie.
Watch Movie 11, Goku was tasked to fight Broly alongside Pikkon...and this story's timeline is set after the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai was over via Daizenshu 6, So yeah Broly does have what it takes to fight SSJ3.
@@dsato2670 25th Tenkaichi Budokai? What’s the correlation?
@@peanutmurgler The correlation ?! The movie's time chart which can be found on the Daizenshu 6 and the references to the tournament with Android 18 mentioning Hercule's promise about the prize money within the story for example, but it'd simply be best for me to suggest you to just go watch the movie.
Hirrudeggan is the strongest Z movie Villain
Good video. Liked how quick and concise it was. 👍
I always thought Janemba pretty much boasted the strongest power. I think Koyama on Twitter has even gone as far as to say that Goku is number 1 (strongest) when it comes to the world of Dragon Ball but in a separate tweet, thinking that Broly is the strongest in terms his own personal perception. So I think this pretty lines up with everything else you’ve stated. (Not to mention other guides implying Broly came back during Fusion Reborn and by Gohan alone.)
Well, unless you want to say Hirudegarn is the strongest cause of that “next villain who fights Goku, stronger” circumstance.
I’m pretty sure that koyama account is fake however
@@gentlepeeps3351 It’s not and there are screenshots. Until you have proof it’s real.
@@Enerjjak what's your profile picture? Asking for a friend
Easy short answer : in the 90s its Janemba.
Long answer : Nowadays its Broly.
Why is it broly?
@@mrperfectcell5079 Koyama stated so?
Didn’t you read what you were showing in the video?
Koyama literally states Broly is the strongest asserting dominance over Toei stating Janemba is stronger,he said there is no one in the world who’s stronger than Broly even in the Z Anime too,except for Beerus.
That alone defeats the point of making a video on it,Broly > Janemba.
In fact,Koyama aside,every single og old dragonball game’s intro or outro or something animated had Broly fighting SS Gogeta and either holding his own or actually pushing Gogeta back,which supports it lol.
@@mvp746 I don’t give af what Koyama said those statements have alternative interpretations and don’t even line up with other things he has said more evidence points towards Janemba death of the author
Stop Dickriding Koyama
@@mvp746 also idc what a non canon game depicts broly doing they coulda have just done that since those two are some of the most popular characters and just had them clash for cinematic effect
@@mrperfectcell5079 “stop dickriding koyama” well who should i “dickride” according to you?
Because both Janemba and Broly are his creations and he ultimately decides which is stronger,as i said Toei tried,much like you to assert that Janemba is the strongest and they even had this statement in their official webpage,once Koyama came out saying Broly is stronger they took it down,if Toei is conceding to Broly > Janemba who tf are you to deny it lmfao?
Its funny because i actually like your videos but they are horribly inaccurate at times.
1st in the second movie broly was defeated by plot alone not by familly kamehameha🤓🤓
2nd we dont speek about bio broly 💀💀
3rd (i don't know much about janemba) broly said that his power constantly rising he keeps on getting stronger the longer he fights so in theory he is stronger
4th( didn't finish the video so i don't know his opinion)
Your forgetting about hyrudagon (wrath of the dragon villain).
He beat ss3 gotanks ss2 vegeta ultimate gohan. Ss3 goku needed to use the dragon fist to beat.
Hirduegan was about equal with ssj3 goku in terms of like base stats and Janemba beat ssj3 goku while probably holding back so Janemba has better feats
@@mrperfectcell5079hirduegon is not as popular as broly so I know why he wasn’t in the video instead of broly.
Hirduegon bodied the ss3 lvl characters easily, ss3 goku could not hurt hirduegon resorting to a dragon fist (there’s some statement toei makes about the dragon fist that would make even whis worried).
also since vegeta is a live and gohan has ultimate form this movie likely takes place after the buu arc meaning this goku is stronger than buu arc goku and fusion reborn goku.
Ss3 goku dragon fist could also one shot janemba.
@@mattmcwhirt4146 the toei website suggests both that overman beats hirudegarn and that the gokus are the same strength
Also gotenks and Gohan are not ssj3 goku level since they got one shot by hirudegarn
Also prove he would kill janemba either the dragon fist
@@mrperfectcell5079 i said gotanks and gohan are ss3 lvl not goku ss3 lvl.
If you remember the fight, ss2 goku is doing better than ss3 gotanks and ultimate gohan fighting hirduegon, then goku goes ss3 and still couldn’t hurt him forced goku to use dragon fist.
Im saying this goku is stronger than goku from the buu arc and fusion reborn bc wrath of the dragon takes place after defeating kid buu and feats show that.
Proof that wrath of the dragon ss3 goku Dragon fist could beat janemba:
ss3 goku is relative to a suppressed janemba even if janemba was suppressed ss3 goku could still damage him.
The dragon fist is directly stated to far surpassed goku himself, proving dragon fist should also blitz and one shot janemba.
All of that provided you should change your video title to “who is the second strongest Dbz movie villain?”
(No disrespect just teasing you😂).
@@mattmcwhirt4146 why exactly is the ssj3 goku in wrath of the dragon stronger than buu arc goku? you know you can argue even ssj goku beats ultimate gohan in the anime right?
None of gokus attacks did anything but stagger janemba, goku literally hit him with a point blank energy blast and he tanked
also if you acknowledge that janemba was holding back then wahts to say the dragon fist would beat a FP janemba when its only shown to work on people relative to goku
also none of this goes against the toei website directly saying janemba was stronger
It maybe true Super Janemba has a higher degree of potential power and a vast array of reality hax on a universal scale while the true Broly was a multi galaxy buster that was destroying galaxies of the southern quadrant over years as a super saiyan while Janemba was only learning his abilities and already he altered and distorted reality on a macro universal scale thus would naturally have a greater edge in a scenario of them fighting right away.
However there is one complaint I have. No way is Bio Broly stronger then the real true Legendary Super Saiyan Broly. Bio Broly is just a cheap knock off flash clone with no mind and just a near mindless monster with barely any personality or complex thoughts who gets harmed by two Super Saiyan kids who don't have much experience nor the same durability as Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks had while fighting the true living Legendary Super Saiyan Broly.
Even if they are the mastered Super Saiyan grade 4 they are still young youths not even in their adolescent years yet so no way have they fully developed all it's power. And Remember Bio Broly is a flash clone made from a piece of dried blood of the true Broly who died. There definitely is going to be some degrading aspects about the clone.
He is bio broly is stated to be stronger on more than one occasion and is literally a genetically enhanced clone or broly I don’t see how they are any weaker… official statements override your own personal headcanon
If goten and trunks are fighting that broly then that just means they are that strong.. Goten literally became a MSSJ stronger than piccolo at 7 years old they have crazy potential so I don’t find it hard to believe they could beat bio broly especially since the moves take place in an alternate dimension
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What is shown however shows the statements being quite empty and meaningless about Bio Broly. You are seriously declaring young Trunks and Goten are stronger then all those Super Saiyans in Legendary Super Saiyan combined with little actual proof to the statement itself? Don't you think it is a bit fallacious with bo evidence with that? Or even a false paradigm that should be tested?
Bio Broly is just a clone. Not the real Broly. If even Android 18 and Krillin can aid Trunk and Goten in damaging Bio Broly then something about this Bio Broly doesn't perform nor reflect properly what the directors statements wants us to believe. The narrative in the film doesn't show it at all.
This is why I don't always believe in statements alone.
@@mrperfectcell5079ok but z broly fought ssj2 Gohan ssj Goku and goten in the second coming. There is no way krillin kid Trunks and kid Goten are beating ssj2 gohan by himself let alone fighting with ssj goku. Death of the author in this instance. Feats are always greater than statements. Chances are whoever scripted bio broly did not even bother with making the correct power scaling and just said "yeah this broly is stronger cause I said so.".
@@mrperfectcell5079it could even be a translation error like kid buu being stated as the strongest version of buu when the actual statement is the most dangerous version as kid buu is evil incarnate and truly craves nothing but death mayhem and destruction. He literally killed everyone and then went to heaven to run the fade again.
@@nathanchristman6660 First off krillin literally did nothing to bio broly.. and secondly ssj goten and trunks just got stronger which is made evident via fighting a stronger broly.. and it isn't because "I said so" if i am literally using official statements to say how strong he is wtf?
Part 1 broly would roast tf out of janemba and its ggs
Why isnt Hirrudeggan brought in these discussions. You could probably argue that Hirrudeggan is the strongest Z movie Villain (arguably)
I mean yeah you can but the toei website directly says Janemba is stronger than hirudegarn not to mention Janemba has better feats anyway
@@mrperfectcell5079hirudegarn definitely has better feats. He beat ssj3 Goku, he beat gotenks and vegita and I believe Gohan still was fighting in mystic. Which he beat all with 0 difficulty and absolutely lost to plot armor
@@Hexocrypha no him stalemating ssj3 goku is a massive anti feat (it would also just mean ssj3 goku> gotenks and Gohan)
@@mrperfectcell5079 i think we both know that mystic Gohan is stronger than ssj Goku tho. Goku has probably had slightly more power than the buus but couldn't outlast them while Gohan would take down all the pre absorbed buu's easy.
Ssj3 also has a bad showing in DBZ with sustaining the same power while mystic Gohan can probably go hours
@@Hexocrypha uhh goku in the anime 100% bodies gohan
He could fight a buu stronger than buuhan
He beat a clone of ultimate Gohan equal to the original
He could fight super buu just as a ssj1
He put up a better fight against buutenks than Gohan
And he is just verbatim called the strongest in several guides
Mfs give dbz broly wayyyyy too much credit😂 bro got beat by a full power super saiyan then a rusty ssj2 then 2 kids and an android😂😂😂😂 meanwhile janemba was tearing dimensions apart and beat ssj3 goku, who was stronger than he was on the buu arc. Janemba wins low diff
Lord slug defeats both
I reallly enjoyed your video mrperfectcell. However something of note is that you heavily downplayed the afterlife shaking feat. First of all the calculation showed on screen is used as an assumption if the db universe is as big as ours which is not and is in fact infinite in size especially when you take into account a solar system in the verse has galactic nebulae's l. Second of all the afterlife itself is way bigger than the living universe as the grand kai's planet which is comparable in size to the universe disappears in the background of the afterlife easily. One other thing you forgot to mention was that goku in the movie also says that janemba was warping every single dimension in reality which would include all the universal sized realms in the macrocosm. And finally, goku already says that first form janemba is stronger than any ki he has felt
umm... the calc i used takes into account that the db universe is bigger than ours and i said if you think its infinite it would be high uni
also i watched the entire fusion reborn movie and goku never said that janemba was affecting every dimension
also i brought up that statement about janemba having the strongest ki goku has felt in the video
@mrperfectcell5079 ik I am just saying that the calculation is wrong due to how big the db universe is. Also, he said that in the dub version
beerus
This is about the villains from the original 13 Dragonball Z movies. Besides, while Beerus was an antagonist during the battle of gods movie, he wasn't necessarily a villain.
Hirudgarn*
I think janemba is at least finite 4d
Broly=overrated fodder
Fax. Seththeprogrammer likes to meatride him
Broly could beat most of the characters in canon and could wipe out galaxies if not universes in his weaker form how tf is he overrated ur just saying shit
@@Invisibleboy999 by “overrated” I’m taking about people who think broly>>vegito,buuhan,kid buu ETC.Also wiping out galaxies and destroying the universe isn’t really impressive as both cell and even namek frieza have universal statements.
@@extremelegendsupreme4596 why is yall way of downplaying broly wanking frieza and cell 😭 cell is only stated to destroy solar systems meaning he would only destroy universes overtime and with frieza it could easily just be hes able to rule over everything in the galaxy especially since namek saga characters are only around the star lvl ranges. Cell has 0 feats/statements stating he can one shot galaxies and his statement of “destroying the universe” could be like in 100+ yrs while broly even with a saiyan life span even while in a weaker transformation has shown on screen to be destroying the south galaxy which is a cluster of galaxies thats made up of potentially infinite galaxies meaning that he should at least be able to destroy 100-1000s of galaxies in either one attack or very very quick succession so hes far stronger then cell or frieza. Also by ur logic beerus janemba and buuhan wouldnt be that impressive either
@@extremelegendsupreme4596Broly could easily be argued on par with Kid Buu or Buuhan. Vegito has way too many statements in his favor though
Janemba Wins
That Broly has no control 😂
& CANT CATCH HIM 😅
This version of Broly is just like the Hulk
Cry & Get Strong
No substance at all
Fusion Gogeta Beats Broly in less then 10 Seconds
Broly has a Limit when completely overwhelmed
That Broly isn’t even a Fighter
He’s just an Animal
No honour no grace no skill
Looks Kool but not my type of character tbh
I think Bio Broly is the Worst DBZ movie ever
What a decline in legacy 😂😂😂
This is why Cell Max was a complete let down
Cell being conniving & sneaky
Then wise & calculated
Then egotistical & Competitive
Half of a good character is down to their substance and mindset
When a character only has the brawn
It simply doesn’t work for ME
Batman is Top3 because his character development
Spider-Man, the same
I hate Superman but he’s Top3
This is why the Buu Ark was Bad
I think Dragonball has learnt from their mistakes
Characters that don’t have much substance seem to be poorly received
But then we get CELL MAX 🫥
NO REGENERATION
NO DIALECT WHATSOEVER
Stop making these poor characters
This is why Goku Black was successful 😓
broly is a menace who never stops getting stronger vs janemba is interesting. but, janemba is comparable to ssj3 goku who is 4x as strong than ssj2 gohan in the cell games. The broly movie (the first) happens before ssj2 if you forgot. And ssj3 is stronger in the janemba movie so broly would lose.
Janemba one shots