Deceptively Capable - Initial impressions of the Dengfu E22
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- 300 miles on the odometer and rising. I voice my opinion about the Dengfu E22. it's far too soon for a review. but for a written extract of my opinion, please visit the Dengfu E22 Frame thread (See link below).
Huge shout out to everyone who I've been fortunate to liaise with throughout the build process of the E22. Their contributions have aided in the speedily development of the E22 along with the E10v1.
I also touch upon the Dengfu E10 in this video, in anticipation of the comparison video between the two. Expect an initial opinion of the E10 in due course, followed by the comparison.
Feel free to comment below or reach out to me, should you have any questions or enquiries.
Until the next video guys and girls, take it easy ✌🏿
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Hey bro, I am so glad to see that I am not the only one that loves MTBing and sports a dark hue!!
Nice video Neeko 👏👏
Keep it up.
Will do Kez 👍🏿
Great video. What exact version is the head tube angle from works components for the e22? There is a few of them and wasnt sure what model you went with
I used the EC44/56 (130-140mm) 2 degree headset from works components. But the Slackerizer headset from Superstar Components (which is cheaper), also fits.
I think I listed the exact headset on the E22 frame thread on the 2nd page so feel free to peruse through the thread.
Thanks for your comment 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi awesome thank u! Just didnt get far enough. Thanks again!
Thinking about buying one Neeko. I've noticed that you can buy complete builds and the E10 is a bit cheaper than the E22. Which do you think is better. Great video buddy👍🏽
Thanks Mo. Appreciate the comment 👍🏿.
I'll be making a video comparison between the two but I have outlined my initial observations in the E22 Frame Thread (link in the description). I'll keep you posted but let me know if you have any specific enquiries about either frame.
Really good analysis both, on here and EMTBforums. I would love to know what the reach and seat tube CT is on a medium E22.
Bare with me Richard. I'm in dialog with Dengfu in an effort to unravel the exact geometry of each frame size. I've already confirmation that the method to which they measure reach is different from the standard norm. I'll keep yourself and everyone posted.
Appreciate the comment 👍🏿
Neeko, what's the range like with the battery and what's the biggest capacity battery you can use with the E22? Keep up the good work mate 👊🏽
Apologies for the delay.
For me, the range is adequate (no different from other high capacity emtbs). Granted, I have programmed the M620 motor to make it more efficient. But I am able to average around 40/50miles, comfortably using all levels of assist as and when I need them.
I am testing a 52v battery which further increases efficiency but the weight does increase. Its early days for me to gauge whether my mileage has increased but I'll share my findings in due course.
But ultimately, the supplied 840wh battery (48v17.5amp) is appropriately spec'd for this frame.
Thanks for your comment 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi psyching myself up for M620 build and (obviously) looking at dengfu frames - want to run 52v really, but the battery case specs say they only fit 65 cells, have you managed to squeeze 70 cells in?
I do have a 52v15amp battery for the E22 (technically, it fits in the E10 aswell).
It was sourced aftermarket but I'm looking into ascertaining stable routes for others to use.
I have cracked one of my 48v17.5amp batteries open. Yes, in theory it can accommodate more cells as the existing bms is small and somewhat basic 👍🏿
You running Yoshimura pedals on the 620?
Where are you guys sourcing the Dengfu E22 frames from? I can't seem to find it on their website.
Contact Dengfu directly via email www.dengfubike.com , Mia should answer in a day or so ..cheers
The Bafang stuff is pretty good...
You can have as big a motor on your E-BIKE as you want as long as you only ride on private property...
Would like to do a build with a Chinese hardtail alloy frame made for the Bafang M620 imported through Alibaba...
The total cost would be around $3000AU that includes importation of frame and forks plus the motor kit and then the rest of the parts purchased in AU would get it 100% finished when in Australia..
It's possible to get hardtail emtbs powered by the M620 motor at that price point. My FLX Blade wasn't that expensive and the bike (after 3 years), is still as strong and reliable as the day I got it. Alternatively, I have seen examples where they have welded the mounting plate for the M620 motor onto regular hardtails and build them up.
I'll see whether I can cover this in future projects 👍🏿
Appreciate the comment.
Can you get an E26? Where can I get a suspension graph for the E26? I want to to know if I can put a coil on my Monte Capro
I've made enquiries concerning that particular frame. I'm awaiting for an update, so I can test one. I can't comment on the leverage curve or suspension kinematics. However, as soon as I get concrete confirmation, I'll gladly spread the word and share my findings.
Keep a watchful eye on upcoming content and thanks for your comment 👍🏿
Great video, thanks! Can you describe the feel and responsiveness of the torque sensor on the m600 / ultra motor? I've only used the BBS02 and that is cadence sensor only, and the power is essentially on or off. Do the integrated middrives deliver a smoother, modulated power delivery? Thanks!
Sincere apologies for the delay Mickey.
You're not the first person to ask me about the difference between the M620/M600/M500/M400 etc compared to the BBS line of bafang motors.
Truth be told, I tend to reprogram them to cater for my riding style and preferences. And emtb's which use the same motor in my fleet could be different in terms of parameters in accordance with how I want the bike to ride.
Overall, there is a difference in terms of the torque sensor used by the different motors. However the more power you through the motor, the less 'natural' it feels overall. Thus, most riders tend to find the right balance of power/responsiveness/efficiency.
I'll do my utmost to demonstrate the difference in a video (just need to get a frame to build up either a BBS01/BBS02/BBSHD 😀).
Thanks for the comment and apologies for the delay 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi No worries at all for the delay and thanks for the information! That's very helpful. And yes, a video demonstrating the difference would awesome. Cheers Neeko:)
Use Innotrace Controller and the torque sensor has Bosch/Yamaha feel or better.
Sorry for my bad English, still learning...
Many thanks for your recommendations Carlos👍🏿
I am speaking with someone, so I can test that controller.
I'll keep you all posted 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi I love my Exess HP-E180 (2200W / 180Nm) and the Dengfu e23 (2500W / 200Nm)
Do those Raceface Crank arms come in 160mm and also fit the m600. Having trouble finding crank arms for m600
Hi Christopher, these raceface aeffect cranks are specific to ISIS splined ebike crank shafts. They're not compatible with the M500/M600/M510.
I haven't seen a 160mm length crank for the raceface aeffect. But if I find some, I'll be sure to spread the word.
Thanks for your comment 👍🏿
Hi Neeko...how do I go about buying the E22 + motor (safely)? cheers
Apologies for the delay Damian.
Depending on your location, my advice will differ.
If you live in the UK for example, your best of buying the frame, battery headset etc from Carbon Cycle on ebay. Then buy the motor from Titan Pro who are located in the UK (they deliver quite fast).
I do understand your concerns and apprehensions. I myself dont like using avenues whereby I cant have some form of insurance or means whereby I can get my money back if something bad happens. Using Ebay & PayPal ensures that you have avenues to explore should things go bad. But the experience wasn't bad. I made diligent enquiries before hand and in terms of the method which they would deliver the frame and battery. And true to their word, the battery arrived first via DHL in 2 weeks. Then the frame via Royal Mail. Tracking reference numbers were supplied.
Don't hesitate to ask me anything further questions about the ordering process or specific avenues in accordance with your location.
Thanks for your comment 👍🏿
Just read your write up on this bike…dude I want one😎
Lol. Its funny you say that. I'm looking to see if I can get a hold of a Rockstar 😀.
Coinciding with one of your earlier videos, reach out to Luna Cycles and see if you can wrangle a Luna Z1 (you might aswell, other UA-camrs state side are doing it) 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi oh I reached out to them, just my experience but they were snarky with their reply…so not a fan
@@neekodevinchi we could swap bikes and give ours opinions, that would be so cool 😎
Oh!!! Ouch. Oh well, their loss.
Let me see what I can do from my end. Essentially, all you need is the frame, motor and battery. You'd then be free to spec the bike how you'd like.
Bare with me, let me see what avenues are available for yourself 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi that would be awesome thanks
Man i wish i could get one of those frames in the US
Let me make some enquiries about that. You're not the first person from the states to have raised this. Luna cycles (from what I've heard), has the distribution rights for the frame in the US. But I will double check this and update you and the thread as well.
Thanks for your comment 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi Luna does but they have zero desire to sell just a frame can't blame them either
Gottya!!
Bare with me. I'm currently in dialog with Dengfu about this enquiry. I'll keep you posted 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi tyvm
@@JRich808 Did this ever land anywhere? Having the same problem sourcing this frame in the US.
How does e22 compare to e55? Want to buy an ebike.
They are different. But it's difficult to explain in a short message. Keep a watchful eye on upcoming content and feel free to swing by to the Facebook community group👍🏿
What's the weight difference?
Currently, my E22 now (as a full 29er) is 26.8kg. It is on the heavy side. But considering that it uses the M620 motor, it is light for what it is. My E10 in its lightest confirmation (27.5 front and rear, 180mm travel lyrik and 165mm travel rear Rockshox Monarch Plus RC3 210x60 with Bafang M510 motor), weights 24.5kg.
Hope this helps 👍🏿
Thanks so much for the fast response. I have 2 M620 bikes (Sondors Rockstar & Frey EX). They are 36.5-38.5 kg, so extremely heavy. I went with an e10 to try something lighter.
You are the only person doing legit Dengfu e10/e22 content. It's great stuff. Thanks again