The problem with TVs is that they pause it for 5s every 10s to explain some dialogue or mechanic and you're forced to click through dialogue to just be able to progress the TV. It's a huge waste of time, but I guess some people just have too much time to waste.
Exactly this. There's too many things that slows the tv segment to a crawl because someone is saying something every few tiles/tvs. Even in modes that aren't story or side story, there's still dialogue...why
tvs are a problem for the people with a problem with them. I actually like the tvs. I think people should just come to a realization that this game isn't for them. the tvs seem hard baked into the game, meaning if they were to remove them, they'd essentially would have to rebuild a large portion of the game itself. it's ok if people don't like ZZZ. They don't need to play every game hoyoverse releases. I think that's the core of the issue. Wanting a game to play the way they want it to. While criticism is always welcome, it comes to a point where it's like the game isn't going to change all that much for this particular thing. I think the tvs are said thing.
Except Rally missions exist, showing that they've already coded all the necessary parts to remove the TV system and replace it with actual dungeon exploration as the characters you Gacha'd for. I've heard this third or more hand by now so take this with some salt, but apparently the reception to the Rally missions was so positive they're considering using them instead of TV stuff for all future story missions going forward and may even go back to re-do the old story missions Rally style too. Also, they advertised this as a combat game so it really should be understandable why people came into this not expecting to spend 80-90% of the game not in combat.
But they need to balance things out. I agree that TV mode should not be removed, but making it take up most of the time is not a good thing. This is a gacha game, why do they release banners with hot girls? to take our money. So why don't they let us use that character? If your argument is that it's used in battles, then why are there less battles than puzzle TV modes? Even they themselves regret making this mode, they want to remake it but I think by that time players have already abandoned the game. You can verify in the game launch livestream.
@@Geminosity 80-90% of the game not being combat is a ridiculous assertion. The TVs are short segments and always have or end in combat. It honestly just sounds like u don't want to the game to have anything other than combat. I'm sorry, but I like puzzles and having things to do other than just combat.
@@Weaponxkp21 Is it a ridiculous assertion? Go take a stopwatch and check how much time you actually fight vs spending time in TVs, watching cutscenes, the intros and outros of the fights, reading dialogue, wandering about town and navigating about menus. It ain't much. It ain't much at all. Also, I'm a huge puzzle fan... but why would I want these half-assed ones that don't even qualify as tutorial levels in your standard sokoban game? I enjoy the occasional distraction but the TVs, especially when combined with all the other down-time, is too much to be a mere 'side attraction'. It straight up overwhelms the core gameplay and becomes it. God forbid I'm looking for combat in a game that the devs literally said "this is mainly a combat action game" about. How unreasonable of me! From now on I'll be looking in visual novels for my fighting game fix and checking the latest Puyo Puyo games for the newest in First Person shooter gameplay. You've taught me that I shouldn't believe silly things like expectations, especially ones set by the devs of the games themselves :o
who tf doesn't like tvs? bro if some don't like tvs then atleast consider that some likes it. i liked it so much personally and that's what made the game look so cool. hoyo can atleast make an option in settings whether tvs will show up or nah. it would be absolutely lame if they removed it.
Pacing could definitely be better, but I'll never understand the outright hatred ppl have for the TV system. I find it fairly enjoyable in a vaccum, personally, and I appreciate them trying something different instead of just the standard stage to stage gameplay that 90% of other gachas do. I can't help but feel like the ppl who despise it entirely are people who are either adverse to using their brain while gaming or cannot receive dopamine if there aren't flashing colors on the screen.
The issue with tv's is that ZZZ was advertised for its Combat, tv's by themselves aren't an issue but many want to use their characters they gambled for in a gatcha game because thats the fun of a gatcha game. If this was advertised as more of a LN game or something then sure the amount of tv integration would be fine, but that isn't the case. Thats my take at least from all the drama I've seen. Most people simply want to enjoy a gatcha.
bro you can't even have the character you pulled available to "play as" in the home town, and now you expect people to be happy when the combat they want to play the character with is delayed further by the stupid tv? get a grip bro
The 'low attention' accusation bugs me because it's easy to turn around. E.g. People who like the TV system only enjoy it because they're too ADHD to sit down to one activity (aka combat) for a long period of time so they need all the flicking between the two and new mechanics thrown at them constantly to stop them resorting to a fidget spinner. See... it's easy to insult people who don't agree with you, isn't it? I don't like the TVs because I came to the combat game to play combat and it's a cheap attempt to replace actual dungeon exploration that they bizarrely decide to just include later in the form of Rally missions anyway. If I wanted sokoban there's a million games that do it better: it's one of the more thoroughly explored type of game styles out there.
We have cute Bangboo, make it like Brother Hanu (HSR) gameplay to replace tv thingy. They already have whole blueprint for it. When running tv modules, sometimes they give us puzzle options to skip enemy fight so we can clear commission faster. I just run straight to enemy because I want to battle in this game, not doing puzzle -_-.
I overall not hate TV system, but a certain aspect of it I can't stand with: why do they make us play "detective" type of games using the TV system. That's just lazy imo. They could have just use a comic/slideshow style approach like Dangaronpa and Ace Attorney (and recently adopted like Genshin's Fontaine quests). Gathering clues and solving mysteries through TV and texts only is just pure boredom. Hat off to anyone who read through all of that.
The "time of day" cycle is their attempt to be like Persona 3/4/5, but they fail miserably because nothing really changes in the town gameplay-wise in the town. It's just added condition.
I honestly hate how unnecessarily time-consuming they are. Other than that I have little issue with it. I lose interest in the game so quick after 5 minutes of being in a hollow scene.
I played zzz for the combat i pull for the character i want for the combat but we spend more time on tvs than using our character in combat, also i hope we can use other character in the hub world too.
People having problem with TV isn't even aware of the fact that the MC is a Proxy. If you can't sit down and focus on the story and fully immerse yourself in the world setting then it is indeed definitely not a game for you and that's ok. A game made for everyone is a game for no one. You either like it or not... it's that simple
ZZZ is the best game to watch on YT, when it will be compressed to show only story/cinematics without TV and combat. IMHO: TV segments are bad, even your praised mini shooting game, because I want to play ZZZ, not a bootleg 8bit retro game. The combat honestly is a button masher and having less of strategic thinking, but more of a muscle memory combo repeat gameplay. The music is trash and I usually praise hoyo for their audio/music/ost/etc. They say everyone have their own flavour of music and hip-hop/rap is not for me. Wanted to vomit when I heard singing for S rank. The only positives are cinematics and character's models - compared to them genshin and HSR characters are wooden logs in dresses.
And one major problem here for me is the weapon banner the scammiest among weapon banner of every hoyoverse game beacuse it dont have visual display. For example every body think ellen,s weapon is scythe she is holding no its not its part of her animation so every ellen in the game have that scythe thing.The only way to see the weapon if u open the equipment section of the game.
I think the A shame part should be that its made by hoyoverse, they are straight up scammers so GG. the game is gonna go no where, all new content drops will be horrible. I think the game looks cool, but when you were talking about the characters i think the animation and combat is its highlights, that's it.
agree. the game has polish in its visuals for the world, chrs, combat, along with great VOs and controls (controller actually works on mobile too! XD) but... really dont like the format/flow of the gameplay, 20% combat 80% misc stuff, then throw on top of that the limit of energy/counts for doing actual grinding for a few seconds of combat. here a good example of it all... where is our '100 / 80 FREE pulls'?! this right here shows how misleading everything is, as normally when 'FREE pulls' are announced, its usually a code or emailed directly for use right away; ie not just another 'Login Event' or how one can earn in-game through gameplay/questing as for the TVs, this also shows bad design. Like you, I do like puzzles, and thought this was not bad at all, based on its own separate mode, but it is horribly inserted between battles, and can take much longer to complete than the combat itself During one of these I realized this TVs thing was replacing ALL 'adventuring' between play spaces with mobs to fight, like in many other games in addition, Im a lore type person, really like getting into stories of games, watching all the cutscenes and whatnot, but for ZZZ, while the VOs and animations are great, it just takes too much of time, so now im just skipping it, ugh 'we just want to hit stuff, let us hit stuff! especially with the units we paid for!' :P
So first off your complaints and praises about the tvs are absolutely valid. However everything else sounds like youre whining about not being able to get the the end game in 2/3 days of playtime, like no shit dude. Core story game mechanics taking time is a real 'hur dur youtuber go fast' shitty mindset. And the day night cycle actually having meaning makes them able to fit an incredible amount of content with the very little space given in maps, it makes the game feel alive at all times of the day with fitting scenarios for the time it happens.
TV or not, we just don't spend enough time in the main game loop aka Combat for what'll be the first few DAYS for most players. As such the whole experience is very choppy/stop-start because you're always hitting loading, transitions, swapping between activities like TV to combat and vice versa and all that. The worst part is, many hours in they give you Rally missions. Rally missions are what the game SHOULD have been. Problem is they're so far in that most people who would enjoy them are going to be repelled before they ever see them and "Wait til you get x hours in, it gets good then" is never a sufficient excuse for any experience if the x hours wasn't fun to begin with.
ZZZ biggest down fall is pretending its an action game when its not. Yes, ZZZ has action components, but for the most part, if you aren't doing Hollow zero or the genshin abyss equivalent, the combat zone or hard mode story. You are most definitely in TVs, and it's not even really shown in ads for the game. They did a collab with Street fighter ? why ? They are attracting an audience that isnt interested in the main feature of their game, which is the TV section. The game isnt like genshin or wuwa or even Star rail where i can run around a kill shit for fun. EVERYTHING is locked behind doing stages. Sure they dont cost stamina but the is also zero benefit in doing over a stage already completed. However, i think one of the most stupid things the game did was to lock basic map exploration behind belle and wise. LIKE WHY DO HAVE RINA AND ELLEN AND I ONLY CAN SEE THEM WHEN I DO COMBAT, WTF. It's one of the worst things they did but can be changed if they choose to. All on all i think the hate for ZZZ truly comes from false advertising. And a lot of youtubers say they reduced the TVs by a lot compared to previous CBTs. But as someone who never watched a single video on ZZZ until the game was released, it just set an expectation(there are little to no TVs)that is false and ultimately ruins the game.
Here's the thing though. With the whole example you showed with the turrets/plants vs zombies thing. They could have done the same thing in a 3d stage with actual enemies and actual turrets and it would have been WAY better for it. Why take player out of the world and ruin immersion instead of properly and literally portraying these events with good high quality graphics where you can actually see the product doing these things(the gacha characters).
this might not be a game for you? if you're more interested in combat I'd suggest going for a different game. ZZZ is a perfect game for me cause it has a little bit of everything I like. Stop complaining and just PLAY A DIFFERENT GAME.
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The problem with TVs is that they pause it for 5s every 10s to explain some dialogue or mechanic and you're forced to click through dialogue to just be able to progress the TV. It's a huge waste of time, but I guess some people just have too much time to waste.
Exactly this. There's too many things that slows the tv segment to a crawl because someone is saying something every few tiles/tvs. Even in modes that aren't story or side story, there's still dialogue...why
to me the tvs are like maps in other games, I don’t mind it at all
gacha games is about characters, you cant see your characters in tv. you like to spend many time to got a cool character for see a tv? hahahaha
The city overworld was cut. The TV is the "map" you walk in.
Was zzz ever gonna have an open worldm
TV puzzles > 100s of hours of gliding.
tvs are a problem for the people with a problem with them. I actually like the tvs. I think people should just come to a realization that this game isn't for them. the tvs seem hard baked into the game, meaning if they were to remove them, they'd essentially would have to rebuild a large portion of the game itself. it's ok if people don't like ZZZ. They don't need to play every game hoyoverse releases. I think that's the core of the issue. Wanting a game to play the way they want it to. While criticism is always welcome, it comes to a point where it's like the game isn't going to change all that much for this particular thing. I think the tvs are said thing.
Yeah I actually really enjoy the tvs too
Except Rally missions exist, showing that they've already coded all the necessary parts to remove the TV system and replace it with actual dungeon exploration as the characters you Gacha'd for. I've heard this third or more hand by now so take this with some salt, but apparently the reception to the Rally missions was so positive they're considering using them instead of TV stuff for all future story missions going forward and may even go back to re-do the old story missions Rally style too.
Also, they advertised this as a combat game so it really should be understandable why people came into this not expecting to spend 80-90% of the game not in combat.
But they need to balance things out. I agree that TV mode should not be removed, but making it take up most of the time is not a good thing. This is a gacha game, why do they release banners with hot girls? to take our money. So why don't they let us use that character? If your argument is that it's used in battles, then why are there less battles than puzzle TV modes?
Even they themselves regret making this mode, they want to remake it but I think by that time players have already abandoned the game. You can verify in the game launch livestream.
@@Geminosity 80-90% of the game not being combat is a ridiculous assertion. The TVs are short segments and always have or end in combat. It honestly just sounds like u don't want to the game to have anything other than combat. I'm sorry, but I like puzzles and having things to do other than just combat.
@@Weaponxkp21 Is it a ridiculous assertion? Go take a stopwatch and check how much time you actually fight vs spending time in TVs, watching cutscenes, the intros and outros of the fights, reading dialogue, wandering about town and navigating about menus. It ain't much. It ain't much at all.
Also, I'm a huge puzzle fan... but why would I want these half-assed ones that don't even qualify as tutorial levels in your standard sokoban game? I enjoy the occasional distraction but the TVs, especially when combined with all the other down-time, is too much to be a mere 'side attraction'. It straight up overwhelms the core gameplay and becomes it.
God forbid I'm looking for combat in a game that the devs literally said "this is mainly a combat action game" about. How unreasonable of me! From now on I'll be looking in visual novels for my fighting game fix and checking the latest Puyo Puyo games for the newest in First Person shooter gameplay. You've taught me that I shouldn't believe silly things like expectations, especially ones set by the devs of the games themselves :o
I have 0 issues with the tvs i actually love them as a way of crawling through a dungeon.
who tf doesn't like tvs? bro if some don't like tvs then atleast consider that some likes it. i liked it so much personally and that's what made the game look so cool. hoyo can atleast make an option in settings whether tvs will show up or nah. it would be absolutely lame if they removed it.
Alot of people
I think we should be able to rest on the cough to select a moment of the day, or sleep to get to the next day every time we want.
Pacing could definitely be better, but I'll never understand the outright hatred ppl have for the TV system. I find it fairly enjoyable in a vaccum, personally, and I appreciate them trying something different instead of just the standard stage to stage gameplay that 90% of other gachas do. I can't help but feel like the ppl who despise it entirely are people who are either adverse to using their brain while gaming or cannot receive dopamine if there aren't flashing colors on the screen.
The issue with tv's is that ZZZ was advertised for its Combat, tv's by themselves aren't an issue but many want to use their characters they gambled for in a gatcha game because thats the fun of a gatcha game. If this was advertised as more of a LN game or something then sure the amount of tv integration would be fine, but that isn't the case. Thats my take at least from all the drama I've seen. Most people simply want to enjoy a gatcha.
bro you can't even have the character you pulled available to "play as" in the home town, and now you expect people to be happy when the combat they want to play the character with is delayed further by the stupid tv? get a grip bro
The 'low attention' accusation bugs me because it's easy to turn around. E.g. People who like the TV system only enjoy it because they're too ADHD to sit down to one activity (aka combat) for a long period of time so they need all the flicking between the two and new mechanics thrown at them constantly to stop them resorting to a fidget spinner.
See... it's easy to insult people who don't agree with you, isn't it?
I don't like the TVs because I came to the combat game to play combat and it's a cheap attempt to replace actual dungeon exploration that they bizarrely decide to just include later in the form of Rally missions anyway. If I wanted sokoban there's a million games that do it better: it's one of the more thoroughly explored type of game styles out there.
We have cute Bangboo, make it like Brother Hanu (HSR) gameplay to replace tv thingy. They already have whole blueprint for it. When running tv modules, sometimes they give us puzzle options to skip enemy fight so we can clear commission faster. I just run straight to enemy because I want to battle in this game, not doing puzzle -_-.
Playing zzz’s combat feels like doing the dvalin fight in genshin. It looks cool but in practice it feels bad.
not really combat is great skill issiue
I overall not hate TV system, but a certain aspect of it I can't stand with: why do they make us play "detective" type of games using the TV system. That's just lazy imo. They could have just use a comic/slideshow style approach like Dangaronpa and Ace Attorney (and recently adopted like Genshin's Fontaine quests). Gathering clues and solving mysteries through TV and texts only is just pure boredom. Hat off to anyone who read through all of that.
The "time of day" cycle is their attempt to be like Persona 3/4/5, but they fail miserably because nothing really changes in the town gameplay-wise in the town. It's just added condition.
I honestly hate how unnecessarily time-consuming they are. Other than that I have little issue with it. I lose interest in the game so quick after 5 minutes of being in a hollow scene.
I played zzz for the combat i pull for the character i want for the combat but we spend more time on tvs than using our character in combat, also i hope we can use other character in the hub world too.
TV for mini game, cool, great.
TV for story telling? that stupid and lazy
I love the tvs. They arent a problem for me at all
People having problem with TV isn't even aware of the fact that the MC is a Proxy. If you can't sit down and focus on the story and fully immerse yourself in the world setting then it is indeed definitely not a game for you and that's ok. A game made for everyone is a game for no one. You either like it or not... it's that simple
ZZZ is the best game to watch on YT, when it will be compressed to show only story/cinematics without TV and combat.
IMHO:
TV segments are bad, even your praised mini shooting game, because I want to play ZZZ, not a bootleg 8bit retro game.
The combat honestly is a button masher and having less of strategic thinking, but more of a muscle memory combo repeat gameplay.
The music is trash and I usually praise hoyo for their audio/music/ost/etc. They say everyone have their own flavour of music and hip-hop/rap is not for me. Wanted to vomit when I heard singing for S rank.
The only positives are cinematics and character's models - compared to them genshin and HSR characters are wooden logs in dresses.
it’s a good game, just trouble having fps drop when walking around lumina square
And one major problem here for me is the weapon banner the scammiest among weapon banner of every hoyoverse game beacuse it dont have visual display.
For example every body think ellen,s weapon is scythe she is holding no its not its part of her animation so every ellen in the game have that scythe thing.The only way to see the weapon if u open the equipment section of the game.
I play zzz for combat, not hoyo candy crush..
@@DaAngou there you go true .
I think the A shame part should be that its made by hoyoverse, they are straight up scammers so GG. the game is gonna go no where, all new content drops will be horrible. I think the game looks cool, but when you were talking about the characters i think the animation and combat is its highlights, that's it.
Overall gameplay is boring, not just tvs. Combat is ok, but everything else no. There is no exploration dungeons are boring, enemies are boring…
i am quitting ZZZ until they remove TVs from the game, if they not then so be it.
zwhen can you have date with the other characters? after Billy, its just kinda go away. what with that?
so most of y'all would rather play tvs system than combat
agree. the game has polish in its visuals for the world, chrs, combat, along with great VOs and controls (controller actually works on mobile too! XD) but...
really dont like the format/flow of the gameplay, 20% combat 80% misc stuff, then throw on top of that the limit of energy/counts for doing actual grinding for a few seconds of combat.
here a good example of it all... where is our '100 / 80 FREE pulls'?!
this right here shows how misleading everything is, as normally when 'FREE pulls' are announced, its usually a code or emailed directly for use right away; ie not just another 'Login Event' or how one can earn in-game through gameplay/questing
as for the TVs, this also shows bad design. Like you, I do like puzzles, and thought this was not bad at all, based on its own separate mode,
but it is horribly inserted between battles, and can take much longer to complete than the combat itself
During one of these I realized this TVs thing was replacing ALL 'adventuring' between play spaces with mobs to fight, like in many other games
in addition, Im a lore type person, really like getting into stories of games, watching all the cutscenes and whatnot,
but for ZZZ, while the VOs and animations are great, it just takes too much of time, so now im just skipping it, ugh
'we just want to hit stuff, let us hit stuff! especially with the units we paid for!' :P
jesus christ, yall ask for so much then complain again when it's too much, it is impossible to satisfy you people
So first off your complaints and praises about the tvs are absolutely valid.
However everything else sounds like youre whining about not being able to get the the end game in 2/3 days of playtime, like no shit dude. Core story game mechanics taking time is a real 'hur dur youtuber go fast' shitty mindset. And the day night cycle actually having meaning makes them able to fit an incredible amount of content with the very little space given in maps, it makes the game feel alive at all times of the day with fitting scenarios for the time it happens.
TV or not, we just don't spend enough time in the main game loop aka Combat for what'll be the first few DAYS for most players. As such the whole experience is very choppy/stop-start because you're always hitting loading, transitions, swapping between activities like TV to combat and vice versa and all that.
The worst part is, many hours in they give you Rally missions. Rally missions are what the game SHOULD have been. Problem is they're so far in that most people who would enjoy them are going to be repelled before they ever see them and "Wait til you get x hours in, it gets good then" is never a sufficient excuse for any experience if the x hours wasn't fun to begin with.
Only thing I don't like about the TVs is trying to remember what each picture does there's too many
Yeah the tv part i hate you do them way to much. I want to battle
ZZZ biggest down fall is pretending its an action game when its not. Yes, ZZZ has action components, but for the most part, if you aren't doing Hollow zero or the genshin abyss equivalent, the combat zone or hard mode story. You are most definitely in TVs, and it's not even really shown in ads for the game.
They did a collab with Street fighter ? why ? They are attracting an audience that isnt interested in the main feature of their game, which is the TV section. The game isnt like genshin or wuwa or even Star rail where i can run around a kill shit for fun. EVERYTHING is locked behind doing stages. Sure they dont cost stamina but the is also zero benefit in doing over a stage already completed.
However, i think one of the most stupid things the game did was to lock basic map exploration behind belle and wise. LIKE WHY DO HAVE RINA AND ELLEN AND I ONLY CAN SEE THEM WHEN I DO COMBAT, WTF. It's one of the worst things they did but can be changed if they choose to.
All on all i think the hate for ZZZ truly comes from false advertising. And a lot of youtubers say they reduced the TVs by a lot compared to previous CBTs. But as someone who never watched a single video on ZZZ until the game was released, it just set an expectation(there are little to no TVs)that is false and ultimately ruins the game.
Here's the thing though. With the whole example you showed with the turrets/plants vs zombies thing. They could have done the same thing in a 3d stage with actual enemies and actual turrets and it would have been WAY better for it. Why take player out of the world and ruin immersion instead of properly and literally portraying these events with good high quality graphics where you can actually see the product doing these things(the gacha characters).
Nah fuck the t.v dont have time for that shiet.
How dafuq are lvl 36…I’m level 32 and I’ve done every single thing apart from some mewmew stuff ..u refreshed stamina??
Ark recode 😊
this might not be a game for you? if you're more interested in combat I'd suggest going for a different game. ZZZ is a perfect game for me cause it has a little bit of everything I like. Stop complaining and just PLAY A DIFFERENT GAME.
Nah, you can’t stop content creators in their eagerness to make their “honest” though after 1 day lmao
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2016 moment
this is perfect
You know you can fast foward the tv shit right?