So you've created the channel, got some love and audience, launched your stat checker, and that's it ? You are a greater influencer in the poker world than just a product, many admire what you did at Detox (and as an individual), you also said youtube is a much better loving and welcoming place than Twitter, so why simply vanish and ignore all that? Waiting the next vid.
An intersesting thing to look at concerning your concern about recreational I think is comparing it to Casino games. Sure -50BB/100 sounds like a lot to lose, but that's like -$200 per hour for a rec 1 tabling 500nl reg table. I imagine some whales are blowing cash way quicker than that playing high stakes slots or whatever and still coming back for more every week.
Probably will do it eventually but I don't have any definitely plans yet. I am most likely going to translate the cash game course into other languages first.
there are several threats that jeopardize the future of poker in the coming years. We need to analyze each threat particularly to mitigate the damage. For example: boots on apps, very high rake on apps and on famous websites, live and online clubs don't let professionals play. I'm talking about my experience!! I'm player PLO cash game
I have not used it. To be honest I am pretty lazy about trying all the different poker software out there, and usually when I actually do take the time to try a new program I end up disappointed. I mainly rely on my students who follow the latest products more closely than I do to tell me what's worth checking out. If none of my students use or even talk about a product, I assume it's not worth checking out. But of course, this approach could lead to some blind spots. There may be products out there that are great that my students and I just haven't happened to play around with yet, so I would suggest trying the program out for yourself.
Hey man love your video content, and I'm interesting in your program but is there any way u can help me but I don't think u can upload hand history from betonline? Any other options to help my leaks?
Hi, you can use the Hand2Note HUD for BetOnline and get hand histories that way. I haven't figured out a way to do it yet if you use PT4 or HEM on BetOnline.
I have not personally tried preflop academy so I can't comment on it. As far as the quality of the sims on GTOWizard, I don't think there is any problem with them.
Is the stat check gonna work for the upcoming new version of H2N (H2N4)? Do you recommend waiting for the launch of H2N4 (it is in beta right now) to buy the H2Nedge license or should we just buy the current version?
I'm personally still using H2N 3 until they finish H2N 4. I am not sure what's taking them so long TBH. H2N 4 is already over 18 months late. All H2N 3 stuff is going to be compatible with H2N 4 though.
C-bet = continutation bet, which is when you raise preflop, someone calls, and then you bet the flop. Double barrel is when you make another bet on the turn after they call your continuation bet on the flop.
the solution to making all fish and recreatives not leave the game is to not be greedy. regulars will just have to play a bit suboptimally, even if they know exactly how to maximally exploit. just don't. it's better to continuously make, say, 10K a month, than to squeeze out that extra 3K a month but then after a few months all those cash whales stop playing poker.
Great video... For your main concern: Recreationals will ALWAYS play poker...People will always spend money on gambling, hookers and drugs. That never gonna change :) But I agree that on higher stakes it will be less stupid spewy recreationals.
Man I really love ur perspective on the game. I almost want to switch from MTT to cash games lol. Feel left out. I am switching from PT4 to H2N For the range research. Is there more value for H2N IYO ? Or do u just prefer H2N or affiliated? Either way ur killing it Love the merch how do we get it ?
Hey, thanks for the kind words! I do have a H2N promo code, but I would be recommending the software either way because I think it's one of the best, if not the best investments I have made. I still use HEM3/PT4 for a simple HUD when I am playing though. Just an old habit I guess. I don't have plans to sell the merchandise yet. Maybe if I can set up a simple store that doesn't require too much work to maintain I will do it!
Also that's why I like MTTs I think those will always be running strong Recs n ppl who want to gamble will always choose MTTs before cash Cash games r intimidating to 1st time players... but that's just my opinion N yeah I agree now with Ruse n GTO wizard merging it's going to be a monopoly very soon its crazy I really Like ruse interface n GTO wizard. So will see how it goes
2nd comment gets it for free... JK - But what about the multitude of other games beside NLHE... PLO and PLO5 are entries for many players, into the wide world of "other poker games"... at our rooms, we already see a lot of other games running more often. Don't ya think a huge part of the future of recreational poker is in Omaha and Mix? If training becomes so easy to get like 70% good in like a few months... then I htink other games will open up an dhave their own wave of rec interest...
@@mobiuspoker what i think is the MOST exciting thing about poker is the 10,000 ft level...the thinking that one learns from it... that's what high level valuable. for the game and for other areas of academic life - and even real life. i coach my kids and parent differently than i did prior to studying years of poker for sure.) study, practice, training, analysis... yeah, make it all better. awesome. but then the games change to make sure the balance is kept between recs and pros. what's super different nowadays is that the pros can get better at light speed (nanonoko played more hands than Doyle's life inside of like 2 years of playing.) that just means that other games will arise, no? i know that sucks for training and tool creators' products. isn't the higher level view of training material to teach/engrain good thinking? like if Stefan is the future (and present) of exceptional players, then to me... that means the future is what comes AFTER one is trained in the modern theory/base. What can people do once they can play solid, simplified strat within a year or two? back to Uri, Stefan, Llinus, etc... well trained opponets dragging each other into the streets.
YEP. I think online poker (as a cash income discipline) will die in 5 years. Imagine software on your phone which make a perfect decision in 5 seconds and undetecteble (just hover camera on the PC screen). English not my native pls forive me :)
So you've created the channel, got some love and audience, launched your stat checker, and that's it ?
You are a greater influencer in the poker world than just a product, many admire what you did at Detox (and as an individual), you also said youtube is a much better loving and welcoming place than Twitter, so why simply vanish and ignore all that?
Waiting the next vid.
I truly admire this man
Excellent stuff! Thank you for a very thoughtful and thought provoking episode.
Thanks for watching!
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Let’s go! I’d love to try it
@20:00 Mobius Poker what about GTOx? It use something similar, you can bucket hands with low EV loss (EV regret).
An intersesting thing to look at concerning your concern about recreational I think is comparing it to Casino games. Sure -50BB/100 sounds like a lot to lose, but that's like -$200 per hour for a rec 1 tabling 500nl reg table. I imagine some whales are blowing cash way quicker than that playing high stakes slots or whatever and still coming back for more every week.
All poker coaches have the same thing in common, THEY ALL MAKE $0 PLAYING ONLINE POKER.
Are you planning to release MTT stat checker? Great vid as always
Probably will do it eventually but I don't have any definitely plans yet. I am most likely going to translate the cash game course into other languages first.
What do you think will happen to live poker? Will it still be around if the regs drop off of online?
Live poker is pretty safe I think!
GTO stat checker not available to purchase on the site.
Could you let me know which link you clicked that didn't work? Thanks.
How ironic that GTO Wizard (and others) provide the overly great tools for poker players and end up killing the game.
game will be dead only when no recreationals left to gamble/have fun into the poker game. Poker will never die.
Poker has been declared dead since 2007
Hey Patrick ! Great stuff, do you teach how to do this researches ? I am MTT player and I was willing to pay for learning that
You can enforce constraints with branch n bound but it hasn't been tackled yet.
there are several threats that jeopardize the future of poker in the coming years. We need to analyze each threat particularly to mitigate the damage. For example: boots on apps, very high rake on apps and on famous websites, live and online clubs don't let professionals play. I'm talking about my experience!! I'm player PLO cash game
just wondering where would you play omaha online if UK based? i thought iPoker but unsure
What s your opinion about deepsolver, is it not a good tool for exploitative strategies?
I have not used it. To be honest I am pretty lazy about trying all the different poker software out there, and usually when I actually do take the time to try a new program I end up disappointed.
I mainly rely on my students who follow the latest products more closely than I do to tell me what's worth checking out. If none of my students use or even talk about a product, I assume it's not worth checking out. But of course, this approach could lead to some blind spots. There may be products out there that are great that my students and I just haven't happened to play around with yet, so I would suggest trying the program out for yourself.
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks.
Hey man love your video content, and I'm interesting in your program but is there any way u can help me but I don't think u can upload hand history from betonline? Any other options to help my leaks?
Hi, you can use the Hand2Note HUD for BetOnline and get hand histories that way. I haven't figured out a way to do it yet if you use PT4 or HEM on BetOnline.
Pat, what about Preflop Academy? Isn't a good competition against GTOW? Cause the pf solves that I've seen on GTOW seen way out of line
I have not personally tried preflop academy so I can't comment on it. As far as the quality of the sims on GTOWizard, I don't think there is any problem with them.
We want a new video my dear Patrick ;) GL
Is the stat check gonna work for the upcoming new version of H2N (H2N4)? Do you recommend waiting for the launch of H2N4 (it is in beta right now) to buy the H2Nedge license or should we just buy the current version?
current H2N license will work on H2N4 aswell
I'm personally still using H2N 3 until they finish H2N 4. I am not sure what's taking them so long TBH. H2N 4 is already over 18 months late.
All H2N 3 stuff is going to be compatible with H2N 4 though.
I'm assuming u have to be apart of your new course stat checker to join your discord or am I wrong
Correct, it is a private Discord community for course members.
Whats a c bet? what does double barrel mean?
C-bet = continutation bet, which is when you raise preflop, someone calls, and then you bet the flop. Double barrel is when you make another bet on the turn after they call your continuation bet on the flop.
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Thank you!
nice video patrick
Thanks, Nick!
the solution to making all fish and recreatives not leave the game is to not be greedy. regulars will just have to play a bit suboptimally, even if they know exactly how to maximally exploit. just don't. it's better to continuously make, say, 10K a month, than to squeeze out that extra 3K a month but then after a few months all those cash whales stop playing poker.
Great video...
For your main concern:
Recreationals will ALWAYS play poker...People will always spend money on gambling, hookers and drugs. That never gonna change :)
But I agree that on higher stakes it will be less stupid spewy recreationals.
For sure people will always gamble, but I'm just not sure how many will still want to play poker if they almost always lose. Thanks for the comment!
They win too and most importantly they suck out which is what keeps the industry alive
Man I really love ur perspective on the game. I almost want to switch from MTT to cash games lol. Feel left out.
I am switching from PT4 to H2N
For the range research.
Is there more value for H2N IYO ?
Or do u just prefer H2N or affiliated?
Either way ur killing it
Love the merch how do we get it ?
Hey, thanks for the kind words!
I do have a H2N promo code, but I would be recommending the software either way because I think it's one of the best, if not the best investments I have made.
I still use HEM3/PT4 for a simple HUD when I am playing though. Just an old habit I guess.
I don't have plans to sell the merchandise yet. Maybe if I can set up a simple store that doesn't require too much work to maintain I will do it!
First comment gets it free!
Hehe
Also that's why I like MTTs I think those will always be running strong
Recs n ppl who want to gamble will always choose MTTs before cash
Cash games r intimidating to 1st time players... but that's just my opinion
N yeah I agree now with Ruse n GTO wizard merging it's going to be a monopoly very soon its crazy I really
Like ruse interface n GTO wizard. So will see how it goes
need me a shirt !!
2nd comment gets it for free... JK - But what about the multitude of other games beside NLHE... PLO and PLO5 are entries for many players, into the wide world of "other poker games"... at our rooms, we already see a lot of other games running more often. Don't ya think a huge part of the future of recreational poker is in Omaha and Mix? If training becomes so easy to get like 70% good in like a few months... then I htink other games will open up an dhave their own wave of rec interest...
I mean, they do call NLHE the Cadillac of poker, don't they?
@@mobiuspoker what i think is the MOST exciting thing about poker is the 10,000 ft level...the thinking that one learns from it... that's what high level valuable. for the game and for other areas of academic life - and even real life. i coach my kids and parent differently than i did prior to studying years of poker for sure.) study, practice, training, analysis... yeah, make it all better. awesome. but then the games change to make sure the balance is kept between recs and pros. what's super different nowadays is that the pros can get better at light speed (nanonoko played more hands than Doyle's life inside of like 2 years of playing.) that just means that other games will arise, no? i know that sucks for training and tool creators' products. isn't the higher level view of training material to teach/engrain good thinking? like if Stefan is the future (and present) of exceptional players, then to me... that means the future is what comes AFTER one is trained in the modern theory/base. What can people do once they can play solid, simplified strat within a year or two? back to Uri, Stefan, Llinus, etc... well trained opponets dragging each other into the streets.
It's better to just not play holdem. Expand the game tree and play a 4 or 5 card game. A split pot game or a draw or stud game.
YEP.
I think online poker (as a cash income discipline) will die in 5 years.
Imagine software on your phone which make a perfect decision in 5 seconds and undetecteble (just hover camera on the PC screen).
English not my native pls forive me :)
I guess you excluded yourself from the future of poker.