2023 Toyota GR Supra MT | MotorWeek Track Test
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2024
- We were thrilled when Toyota brought the Supra sport coupe back, and even more ecstatic to find out it truly delivered the high-performance goods. And much like the original, Toyota has been making regular enhancements to keep the good times rolling. So, time now to hit the track in the updated Supra and update ourselves on all the fun.
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I absolutely love that John Davis still does these reviews. I watch all the retro reviews!
John Davis is a NATIONAL TREASURE.
Haha I say it all the time Mr. Davis is the best
seriously this man is a hidden automotive legend
Nobody can deliver the proper road tests than John and his Motorweek staff
John Davis is the face of motor week
I love Motorweek! I’m glad to see the legend John Davis still doing these reviews! And the Supra finally has a manual transmission. Hell yeah!
He still doing the classic motor week review
John Davis is a legend!!
Some say...John is still complaining it doesn't have a Voltage and oil pressure gauge 🤣
They also finally stopped shifting the gearshift as if they wanted it to Jank it off
Is it me, or even though it's a new 2023 video, it still seems like it was recorded in the 80's. :)
Yeah, pretty sure the camera they use to record the outside footage sits on someone's shoulder and features and view finder with a rubber eye cushion.
So, this is basically the return of the Z4M Coupe.
Only half true. BMW wasn’t even going to have the z4 come back but Toyota wanted to bring back the Supra.
@@hershellumiere Exactly!
The current generation G29 BMW Z4 literally wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the current generation Toyota Supra MK5 A90/J29.
The last generation's BMW Z4 as kills off production due to literally being a sales flop!
The Z4 doesn't have the exact same engine as the Supra. And it doesn't perform like the MK5 Supra either
@@rudgerscumberland9837 Yes it is the z4m has a 3 liter twin turbo inline 6 and 2 liter turbo 4 cyclinder it's the same engines and body
His reviews are entertaining and straight to the point. No added fluff that can be hit or miss sometimes.
Exactly. I watched 2 other videos where they yapped way too much for me. This video was perfect.
I was born in the mid 80s and loved watching this man growing up. Glad hes still doing these reviews! Keeps child hood memories alive.
Glad to see and hear John Davis, his voice is ageless since 1981, and glad to see the Supra back with a proper manual transmission, again. Nice to see Motorweek testing CARS again and not lame, boring SUVs.
It must delight John to have seen the beginnings of so many of the sports cars he reviews, 43 years later
I’m a huge Z fan but this car is a beast in the best possible way. I hope every manufacturer releases their last/best ⛽️ sports car. Cheers!
AWESOME! This car, in a manual, is definitely on the shortlist. Again well done MotorWeek and very well done Toyota!
Toyota?
@@cdbig9er Yep. Toyota took the ZF 6-speed manual from BMW and made it better and then they put it in the Supra. Details matter especially with something as tactile as a 6-speed manual and the Toyota engineers know what makes a good manual transmission.
Whoever was doing the track work, can drive! Well done with some very good shots.
John Davis is the man
This car is such a looker, especially the rear. If I watched the acceleration runs at 3:45 when I was a young kid, I am sure that would be imprinted in my mind
I was never one of the people hating on this car for its BMW roots, but even so this car has still grown on me as it's evolved. It feels like the Supra is finally where it should have been when it was released. All we need now is an "Aerotop" version with the MK4 Turbo-style wing from the factory.
Why "MK4 Turbo style wing"?
You do know that the MK4 A80 Supra wasnt the first Supra right? There is literally other generations of the Supra; MK1 A40, MK2 A50/A60, MK3 A70
@@dewarkhodern9990 because the MK4 Supra wing works the best on this car? MK3,2, etc are too boxy to share anything.
@@dinocrest1946 And??? Can it(MK5 A90/J29 Supra) have its OWN defining wing????
@@dewarkhodern9990 Dude chill tf out lol. I just think it would look good, that's it. You don't have to agree
@@tyler9703 "dude chill tf out" Who are you are tellin' to "chill tf out"? You literally projecting.
And again, can we stop trying to make the MK5 A90/J29 look like the MK4 A80 Supra for a change???? It's the same the with those rear "circle dots" taillights that companie make to have the MK5 Supra mimick the rear tail lights of the MK4 A80 Supra 😒🙄🤣😂😅
In that logic , I guess people should had tried to make the MK4 A80 Supra be like the MK3 A70 Supra (which that car is literally the best selling Supra to date. And the MK4 A80 Supra was criticized by the public of being different to the MK3 A70 Supra)
I don’t know what it is about the interior that takes me back in time but it does so in the best way possible. Maybe it’s as simple as seeing a stick shift today. I love it.
Back in time?? The interior is just a modern BMW interior lol
It's LITERALLY a BMW interior. WTF are you talking about?
The Manual Trans also doubles as an Anti-Theft device
How original.
Morning John. Landed in USA in 1981 when MW started and have been watching your great reviews ever since
Now it just needs a redesigned, sporty looking steering wheel.
classic tailights would be nice
Could Toyota make their interiors any more boring?
@@HAL-dm1ehYou mean BMW
"We stick together." I like that. Save the stick!!
I remember the days when manual transmission vehicles used to get better mpg than the automatic
Getting Shifty
F mpg, im glad they put a manual
K. Now, will everyone put their money where their mouth is since everyone wanted a manual optioned Supra (MK5)?
I didn't see much complaints about other cars such as the Buick Grand National (built back in the 1980s), along with the Nissan R35 GTR not having a manual option
No they won’t because we’re all broke and dealership markups are insane
How to sniff out the hype:
BMW Z4 = just another BMW nobody buys and will be worth 1/5 the price in three years.
Toyota Supra = the greatest thing to ever be built in the entire universe.
That's when the crafty consumer buy any car. Other than a select few models most cars are worth half or less in 3-4 years with plenty of life left in them.
@@bmstylee I agree, I've never purchased a new car in my 50 years of life but have owned 240SX, 300ZX, MR2, Integra, BMW, Mercedes, AMG and now Porsche.
My point was mostly that the Z4 and Supra are identical vehicles, but people only care about the Supra because it has a cool name that invokes feelings of "legend"
I really want to like this car, I mean it is a Supra after all and the return of this legendary name was long awaited by car enthusiasts. It just hasn’t grown on me after 3 years since it launched. It looks more like what one would expect a Toyota Celica or MR 2 would look like if they were still in production.
Just remember that people didn't like the MK4 Supra.....when it first came into the mix. People mocked it as a "value brand front engine Ferrari" and was criticized of being too different of the MK3 Supra (which that Supra sold in lots of numbers compared to the MK4 Supra) along with not having the pop-up-headlights like the MK3 Supra
@@rudgerscumberland9837 Exactly! That’s why I thought this current iteration of the Supra would grow me, but I still don’t like it.
@@ejohnson3131 And your point is? Last generation's Supra was hyped cause of a movie(like the Delorean DMC-12 after Back To The Future)
Hey, I want to like it, but it's so strange looking. That rear end is just bizarre.
@@rudgerscumberland9837 I think it's YOUR point that no one's getting. What difference does the MkIV's reception make in regards to the MkV? I still think the MkIV is an ugly car that only performs well with mods. The 2JZ and nostalgia are the only things driving its prices up. If people don't like the V, why bring up the IV? If people complain about oranges, do you bring up apples?
Kudos to Motorweek
Legend has it, the last species to roam the earth would be Tardigrades, Cockroaches and John Davis.
music a tad too loud
This guy's been around since the 80s i think. Nice going
The manual variant of this car looks absolutely wonderful. My only complaint about the Supra and its BMW engine (yes, we are still whining about this) is the assumption that it will age like a BMW...which is to say the opposite of what we have come to expect from Toyota. BMWs (and most German cars from the past couple decades) punish the people who fall in love with them by living short, expensive lives, usually failing in needless ways. This is far too cool of a car to have to give it up after 100k miles because the crank bearings weren't spec'd correctly or some sensor fails that requires pulling the whole engine and costs thousands to replace.
No one fusses and complained at McLaren for asking BMW to borrow their V12 for the McLaren F1 (McLaren first asked Honda and Isuzu for an engine for their McLaren F1 Supercar. Before asking BMW).
And also, it would've costed Toyota a lot of money to create an Inline from scratch. The 2JZ is literally not that different from the 1JZ. And for the record, the 2JZ DID NOT began in the Supra MK4 A80 (Fourth Generation Supra), it first started in the Toyota JZA147(Aristo)/Lexus GS (1JZ didn't start in the MK3 A70 Supra, it started in the Toyota Soarer)
Your misconception of BMW is pretty false. These new BMW B58’s are some of the most reliable cars out right now. There are plenty B58 powered BMW’s with over 100k miles and they do plenty well.
Except that Toyota was heavily involved in the latter stages of development of the B58. Toyota wasn’t satisfied with quite a few parts in their quality testing, and they sent them back to BMW to get them up to their standards. The B58 is a very, very good engine. I’d argue it’s one of the best engines that they’ve ever built.
@@pascutia Plus the B58 inline 6 engine in the MK5 Supra (fifth generation) is literally a different variant of the other B58s in the BMWs...... you're not going to get the same B58 in the BMW vehicles like that
@@pascutia toyota had very, very limited input on the b58. The updated timing setup was designed by bmw, and approved for use in their m sport b58, and Toyota simply requested that their b58s have that upgraded timing assembly. I am not talking about the 2021 refresh. I am talking about when the b58 got a mini refresh right before the Supra, which included the newer timing setup (n54 and n55 style instead of b48, makes sense as the b48 had a setup which made it more compact for front wheel drive.)
The b58 is simply a damn good motor by bmw, Toyota is lucky they are allowed to buy it and their chassis tech
I too enjoy a nice truffle oil analogy in my car reviews.
12 second quarter mile makes for great fun on the streets. Just enough but not too much.
Needed to go 11.8 instead of 12.8 to place as it used to amongst the other performance cars
John Davis is a legend, and the man.
Manual = Like
12.8 at 115 seems like alot of wheel spin.
Motor week ain’t gonna be the same without this guy. His voice doesn’t sound the same anymore. That sucks. Been watching motor week since I was a kid and I can’t imagine it without him.
John is a legend...John Legend i guess
3:17 John, those are most certainly NOT 275/55. And those are the front tires as well, which are 255/35s.
That is one of the coolest cars this century!
Digging the new Supra, but digging the classic JD even more! Love ya, man!
Finally a Toyota Supra that most car enthusiasts want, just like the Supras of the past!
With a bmw engine?
@@gtrance3567 Well unfortunately Toyota didn't make their own I-6 engine, but I heard that the BMW engine in the Supra is reliable. I guess Toyota wanted BMW to make the Supra according to Toyota's quality standards.
@@TimJoseph08031990 B58 is top notch 👌 M240i has the same engine, and it's refined, Extremely powerful, and an absolute blast to drive! Reliability is great
@@gtrance3567 No one fussed on McLaren F1 (British) using a BMW V12 variant engine????
ehh not really but this is pretty good.
12.8 in the 1/4 that’s it!
I was expecting a 12.2 or faster.
@@mocheen4837 auto does that or a flat 12 at best.
Remember, when MotorWeek road tests vehicles, they have to be 100% completely stock. Acceleration runs are from 0 mph, unlike magazines which use a rolling start. Most magazines greatly exaggerate acceleration runs.
What is that Mustang? @5:47
This video I am going to much sure I watch it again in 10 year later
It may not be a pure Toyota per say in the engineering sense, but the styling is distinctive. I like it yellow.
Meanwhile, the MK2 Supra was based on a Lotus
@@rudgerscumberland9837 wait WHAT!?! You mean to tell me that this isn't the first time that Toyota partnered with another company to make a cool car? Get off the internet you liar. Next you're gonna try to tell me some music motorcycle company are responsible for the best sounding roadcar ever. Psssssssh 😅
@@Kamukix I can tell you're ignorant by your comments. Toyota owned Lotus at one point.
The MK2 Supra is literally a Lotus Excel
This man's voice is as recognizable as the Jordan logo 😂😂 I'm 47 and have been a fan ever since I could control my black and white tv😂😂
John Davis is the OG of American Car (Review) Show.
Also appreciate them bringing back this blue, which was available in Year One, and then mysteriously taken away. Looks great in Blue or Nitro Yellow
First time they bring this blue, the originally was a much more lighter shade of blue
Downshift blue in 20 was much darker, this is a more royal blue.
Good review Mr. Davis
But wait....theres more! Call within the next 5 minutes and you'll get TWO Supras for 19.99! We'll even throw in an oven mitt, normally a 14.99 value, totally free! Call now!
Did I hear the three letters B M W? My appetite has been spoiled.
🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣
Coming from a guy who wrenches on crappy Chevs that can barely hit 60 in the single digits.
@SMOG-097 we only live once, you don't want life going by too fast do you?
@@ozzstars_cars K I A ...
I’m not gonna lie, I was expecting him to walk up to a MkIV at the beginning before reviewing the newer one
Sounds like the mic is shoved down his throat wtf? also was he burned recently?
"getting shifty"?? Rick and Morty reference from Motorweek??
Still wondering how expensive this Bimmer is going to be to maintain after 50K miles.
Not at all. People have already flew past 50k in these and even bmws with the same engine roll past 100k just fine with regular maintenance.
Have 25k on my with 550hp and no problems at all. I drive it like a sports car should be driven too.
People who fuss on the MK5 A90/J29 Supra and compare it to the MK4 A80 Supra (Fourth Generation Supra), needs to realize that the MK4 A80 Supra was literally a flop in sales while on the dealership market for over nine years ! Plus criticized by the public for being too different to the MK3 A70 Supra (the Third Generation Supra).
And was not all that as a Performer while stock(A C4 "base" Corvette of the 1990s literally gave the Turbocharged version RZ Supra A80 MK4 a run for its money and costed a few thousands less than the MK4 A80 Supra RZ).
And for the record, people fuss on Toyota "not using their own engine" or "not making a new JZ engine" when it would've costed Toyota to make a new engine for the Supra from scratch/0. And the JZ engines such as the 2JZ/1JZ didn't start in the Supras....the 2JZ first started in the Toyota JZA147(Aristo)/Lexus GS. Not the Supra MK4 A80.
While the 1JZ first started in the Toyota Soarer. Not the Supra MK3 A70.
And literally the MK4 Supra A80 started from the Lexus SC 400/300 Coupe(the SC 400 has the V8 1UZ while the SC 300 had the 2JZ series engine LONG before the Supra MK4 A80 existed from the SC 400/300).
The Supra has square tire arrangement?!?! That’s a big deal for a daily driver! I wish this trans was available in the 340i
One of my favorite Japanese superheros came back as a German villain in disguise 😢
“the MT won’t cost more..” the fact that it’s the same price means it’s more. MT option was always cheaper until now. The 3rd pedal is cheaper, not same or more.
Apparently, MotorWeek thinks we all have ADHD and "need" exciting background music to keep our limited attention.
This show is automotive hall of fame
THIS is the option I've been waiting for. In my mind, only NOW has the Toyota Supra finally returned.
It's a BMW Z4 you could service the car at a BMW dealership. Just because Toyota lazily slapped their badge on a competitor's product doesn't make it a Supra lol..
@@oldcrook510 You sound lame. You can have the service done at a Toyota dealership.
And Toyota wasnt "lazy" and "just slapped their badge on a competitors car" like that. It's a lot more to it(and Toyota was literally smart).
Plus the Z4 BMW(current generation G29) wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the Supra MK5
@@oldcrook510you can’t afford one anyways
The same folks who yell about the MK5 A90 Supra being "less of a Toyota sports car" , are the same exact folks who didn't go out in droves and buy the Lexus(Toyota) LC500s, the Lexus ISFs, the Lexus RCFs, the Lexus LFAs, and others along with the MK4 Supra....which those cars are "fully-toyota-blooded-sports-cars" that ere bad in sales!
And as for the Lexus LC500 , that has not long ago been listed as Toyota's poor selling GT/Sports Cars. Go figure
Love that review, can’t even get the tire size correct lol
I just wish they would bring back the iconic wing, the tall wings just made the 90's supras cooler.
good thing it's fast, so my eyes don't settle on the cacophony of bulges, scoops, folds and creases that pass for bodywork these days
What do you think of a C8 vette in comparison styling wise?
Yet people fussed and complained on how the MK4 A80 Supra (fourth generation) looked compared to the MK3 A70 Supra (third generation), upon release (and was literally a sales-floppd car for over nine years)
@@germanengineering204 I like the C8 Corvette (especially as a rear Mid-Engine car which it was supposed to be that since the 60s). But I also like the styling of the MK5 Supra.
Ya it's hideous
When the ft1 concept came out, i was really excited for the then upcoming supra
The design worked really well for the lfa like proportions of the concept. But trying to shrink it into a z4 sized package made it look too overstyled for me.
AND most if not ALL of them from twin turbo V6 and V8 always wanted to race or troll with my NA V10 Huracan bull lol. Even the much more expensive M8 competition and AMG luxo still hold my beer lol. So dream on boys lol!
nice job Toyota!! This is probably the first time i can remeber a car company actually giving enthusiasts what they want. They didnt have to but they did.
Dodge with the hellcat 6 manual really gave customers what they wanted! Horsepower and a stick!
Good morning John.
Motorweek is ❤
What's the name and color code of that blue? 👀
Wouldn't mind driving one that's for sure
same here!
Drove one with a 6 speed and the transmission is definitely a handicap it shifts like a BMW
Back to the future
what if a Toyota GR Supra would look like as a Time Machine
❤❤John Davis & Toyota GR Supra MT ❤❤
Id take one in all BLK or Blue! 👌😎
Those wheels freaking insane!
How is it that only one turn signal works on this car? (Only legends will get it)
BMW owner joke?
It’s got a better head and more flow fyi for the 2023
this is so bizarre......This follows the naration and editing from the old car reviews of the 80s and 90s......but im watching a brand new car.
i wanr to like it but can't get pass the styling
Toyota Zupra! Germany for the win!
John Davis needs to drive these cars and speak when driving them on video or none of this matters. :)
I like it but not enough to buy one. It is a BMW after all & will become an endless money pit as it ages.
Tbh I'd call this a myth since theres people who've been using them back to back on track and then streeting them like its noting since they came around. Maybe that's not the case for all but id go as far as saying these handle well more abuse better than the rwd toyos that have been around the past decade for how many people have been abusing these mk5s in multiple fields in the last 3-4 years.
I remember when people drove cars. Now computers drive them, and the computer does the actual work.
Looks like it's missing a lot of dampening.
Legend
how are you guys able to be tracking that car with its windows down? wind buffeting issue fixed?
Nah it’s not as bad as people claim, I roll with my windows down all the time, no issues.
No one does it like him.
3.46 gear ratio is lower than 3.15. The higher the numeric value, the lower the gear ratio.
Higher number better for acceleration
Damn, John Davis is indeed getting old. I can hear in his voice
This is just the perfect GT sports car. Its a shame because its a dying breed, probably one of the last of its kind with a manual and non EV.
Thank you for pointing out this car's dreadful fuel economy figures, which come from the EPA test where the car is driven carefully. Driven around the track in your video, the car was probably getting less than 10MPG.
My Supra has 25k miles on it, and after only 8k my after market parts up the hp to 550hp and for the life of the vehicle it’s avg is 25.7 mpg, that’s with numerous track days too.
Gosh that front plate is just so ugly looking on the new supra.
Great job BMW!
I’d still take a MK III Supra over this
I really want to like the supra. I've had many MK2 and mk3 supras, 7 mr2s, all tracs...I love Toyota. I like bmws too so I don't even have a problem with the underpinnings.
My issue with the car; it's not a supra. It's not a 2+2, there's no sunroof/removable roof. It's not a GT. For a small fixed roof sports car experience, I would just rather get a 6th gen Camaro which does everything the supra does better. For way less money. Or a m2, which feels more like a supra to me with it's 2+2 seating, longer wheelbase and it's similarly priced. I just wish they didn't call this a Supra, as crazy as that sounds it's my biggest issue with the supra
Lol small car camaro wtf are you talking about lol
@@bigneutron77 I'm talking about the interior space. The supra is confined inside. It's very similar feeling to a 6th gen in feeling like a tank inside. I actually find the supra more claustrophobic.
@@tommyistommy oh yeah you’re right, almost identical visibility too.
@@bigneutron77 yeah I was surprised when I drove one, the way the roof is designed looks awesome but it's tight and dark inside. And I'm not a big dude at all (5'9 175). The supra is cool it's like a modern z3/4m coupe which had the same interior feeling
@@tommyistommy yeah Toyota should of had some sort of ambient lighting inside, definitely dark, especially if you have tint.
They should put this engine in the is350 Lexus,and stretch it and widen it a little bit,please do that Lexus