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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- On this episode of 83 Weeks, Eric and Paul look back at Sting's 1998 in WCW! Topics include starting the year as World Champion, being stripped of the title, winning it back, becoming a member of the Wolfpac, disappearing after Halloween Havoc, and much more!
Note: Conrad is returning from Spring Break, while Eric travels himself this week. They’ll be back together for next week’s edition of 83 Weeks!
Looking forward to this episode!! Sting is my favorite of all time and one of the greatest and most influential of all time!! I've said it a million times so far but rip to Scott hall hell definitely be missed!!
Same here
Can't wait to watch this. Sting was my favourite Wrestler as a kid. His transition to the Wolfpac in 98 was somewhat of a dream - seeing this character morph into a somewhat Hip Hop version was still one of the coolest things I've seen. And to be quite frank, when he took his break after Bret put him out, WCW lost its power significantly.
Can't wait for Sting 99 because 96 and 97 were great and 98 is fantastic so far.
Sting Has the most Outstanding Matches Ever
If people really listen to the show,they would realize that, this show was recorded prior to Scott Hall death.
It was crazy when Eric said even Scott would agree with me and don't get me wrong he's got some physical challenges in front of him you could just tell that he didn't know what was going to happen in the couple days moving forward rest in peace Scott Hall
I loved Wolfpac Sting
Love bischoff the way he kept stings story quiet this whole time and took the heat when he could have easily saved his reputation but was loyal to sting that says a lot about his character
Paul Bromwell!! Unreal surprise to see you as the co-host sitting for Conrad!! Excellent job my friend! Would love to talk Squared Circle with you again!
They recorded this like 2 days before Scott's passing. We'll all miss you so much Scott, hopefully we all see each other down the road.
I was wondering if it was before. I was curious what Eric would say due to the ups and downs of the business relationship they had.
@@chrisortiz8072 I'm sure that he'll give a heartfelt and positive recollection of working with Hall when he gets a chance. He's done it many times before and seems to rightfully respect his role in WCW's success.
@@chrisortiz8072 He talks 99.9% positive about Hall normally. Can't imagine he'd do any different now.
They didn't do a very good job discussing the match order at Uncensored '98. Hogan-Savage was a cage match (which neither even mentions once here), so it was going last for logistical reasons. But the finish also involved Sting getting involved and attacked by Savage to set up the next PPV main event. Conrad would have at least pointed that out I think.
Nothing will ever beat summer-fall 98 for me and my friends as a kid. Wolfpack Sting was 🔥. We wore our red and black nwo shirts at least once a week lol even in our yearbook pictures that year (4th grade) lol. Great memories
Really hoping they finally produce the part 2 to the Scott Hall video they did a year and a half ago back.
linky?
That would be part 2 sweeeeeeet!
Sting 's 98 is a great example of how to take a really hot character and lose most of his heat. You could just tell they didn't know what to do with him after he beat Hogan so they just stuck him in the nWo. The fans were for it at the time but it was an awful move as it made no sense and was an completely odd fit. Him joining that group only helped prop Nash up as leader of that faction. And as part o that group he got away from everything that made him the hottest talent in wrestling in 97. DDP was smart enough to separate himself from that group and not join because it made no sense in regards to his character. Sting was no longer a vigilante/superhero but now something more akin to a team mascot. This helped Goldberg surpass him in WCW as the next kind of mystical being. With Sting and Goldberg WCW could have had their own version of Austin V Rock but they constantly got in their own way.
Yes. You're right.
They built sting up for about 18 months, only for him to win in a controversial ending, having the title vacated on nitro, waited for a rematch 2 months later, give sting another no clean finish, then have him drop the belt to savage 2 months later only for it to end up back in hogans hands the following night. All of that for a 2 month title run. Sting was the second hottest babyface to Austin in 98. He should’ve got the same push austin did. Talk about dropping the ball
@@MR.__G I don't think Sting having the title really mattered. For most of the Attitude Era Austin was chasing the belt than holding it. I think what mattered was where they were going with the story and what I do agree with you about is that the main story should have pivoted to Sting after Starrcade 97.
@@blueblur2273 yes that’s what i actually meant. Because austin would drop the belt but he was still chasing it & was in the main storyline. Sting should’ve had that same opportunity. Being 2nd to Austin during that time while not even speaking, speaks volumes to how over he was with the crowd. They dropped the ball
@@MR.__G And they did the same thing when it came to Goldberg. He caught fire in 98 and instead of revolving the story around him in 99 they pushed him to the side and kept the main story around Hogan Nash and Flair. It was fine for Goldberg not to have a story line in 98 because he had the streak. But once they took that away he had nothing and it completely killed his momentum much like Sting the year before.
WCW had stars in Goldberg and Sting who at different points matched the level of popularity of Austin and Rock. However Sting and Goldberg were able to only sustain those levels for 1 year periods because they were sabotaged by their peers.
I have posters of the old Sting on my wall…Sting fan for life…….
There should be a 10 minute tribute of Scott Hall…….Scott Hall played a big role in putting WCW on the map in the 1990s.
CORRECTION: Bischoff was voted best booker for 96 or 97, however, Meltzer said he couldn't endorse that because you need a minimum of 5 years. Buuuuuuuuuuut, funny how that suddenly changed 🤔 odd, huh?
Sting is my favorite wrestler ever The Man Call Sting The Icon
Paul is very knowledgeable and keeps the podcast flowing, but I miss Conrad becuase he gives Eric sh*t for mis-managing stuff from this era.
I used to live in Tampa Florida I stay in North Carolina now
I have a physical picture with me and Sting from a TNA show in Brooklyn…….
Always wondered why Sting disappeared after Halloween Havoc '98. I do think the match with him and Bret could've been much better. I do agree with Eric and Paul, that even though the finish to Sting/Hogan at Starrcade sucked, the feud between the two was still hot, going into SuperBrawl. Also, I was actually at that WCW house show in Boston that Paul referred to and yes, the crowd did cheer for Hogan
Stings first words should have been when he came out grabbing a mic and saying "Its Showtime!" Then blasted his way to the ring to take on Hogan energetic and driven for a year and a half of hate and deceit should have exploded all at once. But unfortunately he didn't show up with the right tan... 🤣😂🤣 "Over a f*cking tan! Is this real?" Everytime I hear Conrad as he voiced every fanboys reaction.
The tan thing is bunk, this is the silliest declaration obviously to bring the truth under the carpet
Sting is one of the wrestlers I wanna meet; he seems like a down to earth person. I grew up watching his work. The Red Sting gimmick is my favorite, this version of Sting had my edge and personality.
1:57 Down to Florida, Tampa, Beach 🏖
3:03 Jeep on The Beach 🏝 🚗
*Sting in 1998*
3:42 Oh Yes,
4:54 Multiple retirements, addiction to connection brings him back
_1998_ 8:13 Sting is World Champion
9:49 Dave Meltzer’s commentary
11:24 WCW THUNDER
‘12:00 Georgia Dome NITRO
13:30 Does Sting stay brooding and dark? Return to surfer sting?
Sting - The [Ultimate] Hope
*2022 Talk*
19:30 WWE-AEW Trades
Long-Term Contract: boring
Trades: intriguing, opens up possibilities
[Wrestling has no offseason]
[Fantasy Bookers Delight]
Sting is an icon……
My idea for how 1998 should have gone is the original 3 members of the nwo turning face against the others and having a babyface run before turning heel again, plus Sting feuding with and then teaming with Raven while that's going on, all to set up Sting vs Hogan again to do it right.
This show was recorded prior to Scott Hall death.
It's crazy to think about how big wrestling was during this time. It really was lightning in a bottle.
Sting Crow Gimmick: When the build-up, anticipation, and overall journey along the way is that good, it's going to make it very hard for the destination to be as impactful. Hard to think of any way that they could have paid that off with the same results as the build-up, given how good it was.
Just have him beat Hogan cleanly. Then the NWO try to take him out month after month. Finally leading up to a rematch with him & Hogan @ Bash At The Beach.
Then you have multiple avenues to go down... Maybe Bret stops Hogan from cheating to win at the Bash. Then you got Hogan vs Bret for the rest of the year culminating at Starrcade. Let's say Bret beats Hogan. The NWO comes out and Hogan's like wtf, why didn't you help me. They've lost faith in him after losing to Sting & Bret. They turn on him.
That sets up Hulkamania vs NWO for 1999 (to give closure to the NWO - finally have it wiped out by the guy who created it).
Meanwhile Sting has title matches with talents Hogan would never give a shot. Benoit, Booker T, DDP, etc. Maybe some of his friends want a shot. Giant, Luger, etc.
I think they should've reallyyyy held off on Goldberg winning the title. Let Goldberg win the World War 3 battle royal and beat Sting at Starrcade for the belt (with his streak still in tact).
That sets up Goldberg's fresh title reign, a rematch with Sting obviously, & an eventual obvious match with Bret as you'd have to consider him Goldbergs #1 contender.
All that and you'd still have a money match with Bret vs Sting left.
Uhmm very simple have Sting beat Hogan CLEAN. Anything but that stupid fast count finish. Sting was ultra over and had to beat Hogan clean. After that he could have gone after Nash, Hall, Macho etc..
I think that's one of his worst years 1998 Crow Sting as a wrestler NWO Wolfpack Sting was getting back in routine as a wrestling similar to his Surfer image before 💯
Rest in peace Scott Hall Razor Roman the founder of the NWO and a trendsetter💯🙌🏿🙏🏿🕊️
These podcast shows don't work without Conrad. No disrespect to Paul Bromwell, but he gives the co-host too much respect. Conrad is able to keep them on topic, ask the difficult questions and presses for the answers.
I also think Conrad should have been open to doing a podcast with Russo. So much interesting content could have been made.
Not trying to start out negative with my first comment tho, Great episode guys. Good to see ya Paul.
What's up with the lack of numbers and location information.. Conrad on vacation so the researchers are too?
Eric is a 🐐
Wow. Imagine Bobby Eaton ending Goldberg's streak.
most of these shows now are retreads of subjects been covered to death.
I wonder who's podcast will mention Scott Halls death first 😔
@20:37 Bischoff’s pitch about the WWE and AEW cooperating and having genuine competition between Wrestlers is exactly how WCW and WWE should have done things. Like imagine if Scott Hall and Kevin Nash had actually come into WCW for a “war” for a storyline involving both WWE and WCW that both have agreed to to swap talent and create the illusion of invasions and competition and having tournaments to decide who’s the Title Champion of the two and swap the belt and talent back a forth. Unfortunately Vince McMahon has a conqueror’s mentality. He created a stagnant industry buying up ALL is his competitors. It’s insane he did that, because without competition there’s no reason to innovate. Once you have the monopoly on an industry, your customers don’t have other options there is no better product or the threat of losing your customers so why would you ever take risks? He was single handily the best thing and simultaneously one of the worst things to ever happen to Professional Wrestling.
All u would have to do contractually is add n optional year
An example: Randy Orton recieves a 3 year $9m deal under WWE but then he gets a 1 year optional year that he can be traded to AEW for the same yearly salary but still under the WWE contract while AEW sends 2 or 3 (face it Orton is leagues above most are talent) that are either in their optional year or within a year of it. Now at the end of Orton's contract WWE gets first option to make him a new deal or Orton would have to wait the 90 days to sign with AEW. Everybody stays under the home company's contract because then nobody is going to know who got signed the most fans and uncle dave would know is who is in their optional year and who's in the "free agency" period.
Eric’s idea would be great.
The idea of a real draft is absolutely awesome. They could also do what soccer does, with players going to different teams, different leagues and countries all over the world. The clubs negotiate a transfer fee and the players negotiate their wages with the clubs, and sometimes there are loans for six months, a year, two years...so certain players can have more game time and come back better than before. I'd love to see that in wrestling. If someone isn't really getting over in WWE or AEWmaybe they could go on loan to Impact, ROH, NWA or MLW and if someone in the smaller promotions is doing really well, they should be able to go to the big companies and the smaller ones would be compensated with a transfer fee.
What Eric wants is similar to what they did in the territory days
Am I the only be who thinks NWO Thunder had a ring to it ..that’s bad booking on Eric part to give away the show everyone knows as WCW
Starcade 97 went exactly as Hogan wanted. Eric lying again
While I look forward to this edition, I thought with the recent passings of Scott Hall and Mike Shields, they would replay the Scott Hall or AWA episodes, or maybe do a "Best Of" episode and hold off on this show for a week.
Ideally it would have been great if Sting had transitioned to his "back in black" persona earlier rather than doing the Wolfpak gimmick because that was the best way to bridge Surfer Sting with Crow Sting. The "back in black" persona always stuck me as being ok it's the guy who was surfer Sting still WCW, still the hero but he's not taking anyone's shit and if you betray him, you've fucked up. Even that slight variation he had in his make-up design indicated a different character from what I call the "voice of silence" persona.
Hey yo rest in peace Scott AKA razor
I miss Conrad. Show just isn't as good with Paul.
Yeah Paul is too much of a suck up.
I tried to give a shot Conrad is really good at keeping bischoff in check instead of kissing up to him
Miss Conrad giving Eric shit too. Need to challenge Eric. Like when Eric compares wrestling and winning world title and winning UFC or Super Bowl....ITS A WORK ERIC!! NOT THE SAME!!! 🤦🤦🤦
It seem like there were a lot management issues with Eric Bishoff and Ted Turner………
i love this shit i adore bischoff as a wwe fan would love to pick his brain on some of the most important and influential people in wrestling history make no mistake Eric changed the game of pro wrestling period by forcing another company to change their platform to change their strat to change how THEY ( wwe) did business and forced ( wwe) to change their attitude cause they were getting destroyed by WCW .
I dont believe a word eric says when he does all his hulk defending. Was probably making videos with hulk and his wife back in 98
When did they hire scott hudson
Bischoff's explanations for Starrcade 97 will never not be ridiculous. He tries to act like he's not lying about anything but "he didn't look like he was ready" so... You change it from a clean finish to a disaster and put the belt on him anyway? That doesn't make any sense.
1:29:00 I disagree. The tag titles felt like a bigger deal in wcw from around 96 - 98ish. The titles may have been more secondary than WWF, but wcw had more main eventers and upper midcarders hold them than WWF.
I've never read the Observer, but the way that Meltzer's apparent way of stating stories as facts with no stated facts/references/credibility/etc. is an insult to writing. I feel bad as I now associate this dude Paul with poorly structured, run-on sentences, and the confusion/anger that they incite, since he has to read all of the quotes.
I liked Paul martialaids here and glad he and bish are doing this better than Connie and Eric doing their rich guy talk before the show lol
When Paul talks about the final 83rd week of the ratings victory for WCW go back and watch because there was a white orb that floated around his microphone
I recorded The Real Reason Men Commit Crimes and never watched it. Is it worth revisiting?
The Tyson thing changed everything????? You gotta be kidding me with that shit
No way Goldberg would have ended his streak against Bobby in 98... Not gonna believe that one for a second
7:51, lex luger sheesh.
where is conrad??? this dude has next to zero information and is literally just coasting through this blind.
Conrad must've married Tony K
Baton Rouge la
Everything Eric is explaining about brands and trades is what should have already happened 20 years ago with WWE but they made it into some lame wanna-be competition.
Paul, and I’m out
Hated surfer sting as a child, loved crow sting as child, and thought joker sting was embarrassing honestly as a fan..
Who tf are these non wrestling fans DirecTV promoting to and why would they matter more than the millions of wrestling fans watching Nitro?
When are they going to acknowledge Scott hall passing away?
38:10 goldberg maybe lol
Never
There so much shit coming out his mouth (Eric Bischoff). People only listen cause they are STING FANS. To be fair Bischoff you had one job (making sure Sting wins clean @Starcade). Stop pretending that you made sure WCW did so well.
Not the same without conrad.
Never
I hate to say this Eric Bishoff did a great job with the NWO script but he also destroyed the true tradition of the WCW culture which was created from the Crocket amity.
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Guess I'm late to the party, what happened to Conrad? Did make a joke about Eric tucking a tshirt into jeans?
This was a very disappointing episode.
Suggestion Bischoff, maybe alienating your listeners who may happen to respect Meltzer isn’t a good way to go. Just saying. Between Meltzer, someone JR corroborates a lot of what Meltzer says, or you, someone who contributed to killing an entire company, I’d believe Meltzer.
Paul is terrible. His questions are bad and his sentences don’t make sense
wolfpac sting was the worst
Lit
So Eric knew sting was in no condition to work and he let him? I wonder how many wrestler lives could have been saved/extended had Eric put his foot down and started a wellness program or something for the wrestlers😐 as much as we like to 💩on WWE, they do have a program now. I want to like Eric but the more I listen the more i realize that he was a terrible boss who played favorites. Not cool
Easy there mr 20/20, everybody has favorites regardless of what they say. It’s human nature. How unfortunate to not have you and your wonderful hindsight as WCW President back in the day..
Thats lies
Eric lies
I have to say & I think I speak for most of wrestling fans that listen to this show? I can’t believe that u guys & especially Bischoff would not take the f….ckin time to do a tribute for Scott Hall? WTF 👎 No disrespect to Sting but he would probably agree!! Do we really need to hear about Sting 98 this week after losing the main guy that helped bring us Sting 98…..? Again WTF? I don’t care that these researchers researched Dave Meltzer for 2 weeks for this episode…I don’t care!! In my opinion, y’all have both disrespected the legacy of Scott Hall!! Not sure I will following or listening anymore 🖕
Chill the hell out dude. They probably recorded this episode before Hall passed
Dude the episode was recorded a week earlier
@@miltonbowens6561 Don’t u think I realize that? So why have they not done another show in tribute to a true legend instead of partying on spring break with a drug addict that can’t cut a promo to save his life that looks like a drug addict and was about as exciting in TNA as his wanna be Hogan Heel turn was compared to my messages on here are to u apparently? Well mine gets heat actually….His was a yawn….And I’m referring to the charismatic enigma, who has no charisma at all unless his coming to the ring
@@shilledoutbyfers2445 apparently you don’t know that, otherwise you wouldn’t have gone off. Scott Hall and Bischoff were great friends.
@@tylerc857 I know they were good friends. That’s why I’m soo disgusted with Bischoff & Conrad for not doing a tribute for a guy that changed the industry, helped Hogan become the top guy again & as a result Bischoff can sit around and brag about all his accomplishments on this 83 weeks podcast !! Thanx to the Bad Guy!! Meanwhile, their on spring break kissing a circus performer ass who can’t cut a promo & couldn’t hold the Bad Guys jock strap!! But they think he is soo charismatic….He did help to finish off Bischoffs wrestling career because he is not Hogan!! And I’m referring to the Charismatic Enigma who is not Charismatic at all
Credit to Eric for owning up and admitting that WCW finishes sucked. When i was a kid, the finishes were what put me off of watching. It seemed like every important match ended in a DQ with a brawl, with barely ever any decent clean finishes. Hearing that horrible WCW ring bell ringing over and over and over again whilst wrestlers brawled aimlessly still drives me insane when watching old clips. Absolutely horrible.
As far as i know only the satanist vampiro didnt like him. (Self declared satanist, by the things he did)