83 Weeks #24: Halloween Havoc 1998
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- On this episode: Eric and Conrad travel back twenty years to WCW Halloween Havoc '98! From the opening match between Chris Jericho and Raven, to the WCW World Title main event between Goldberg and Diamond Dallas Page, they leave no stone unturned! What did Eric think of the beginning of Raven's "spoiled rich kid" angle? Disco Inferno in TWO matches on the card?! Who did Lodi replace in his match with Perry Saturn? What was with the Steiner Bros. calamity? And what about the infamous Hogan-Warrior rematch? Is it still just as bad after all this time? Plus, DDP-Goldberg getting cut short, and how much money Eric thinks that cost WCW. All this plus talk about Hall vs. Nash, Sting vs. Bret Hart, Fit Finlay, Billy Kidman, Buff Bagwell, Wrath, Juventud Guerrera, and so much more!
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One of the coolest podcasts I've come across. Re-living the 83 weeks brings me back to being in middle school waiting for Thursdays and Mondays.
I was born in '86. It was the greatest time ever to be a wrestling fan. Especially at that age where you're half gullible for the gimmicks but smart enough to understand the adult orientated stuff too
Yup, and those were my motivators for my work outs
Halloween Havoc 1998 in my opinion has the BEST stage setup and ring mat. Haven't seen anything more capturing than that set up.
Obi Smalls Conrad should of told Eric how that setup came to be ?
Agree but the "snickers" part is funny to see.
That is why it is featured in the 2k Video game every year
Yea great and iconic for sure.
I always thought that since i was a kid lol
They had a huge opportunity with sting and warrior to have a massive tag team run
Sting and ultimate warrior I think we're well established as single wrestlers at this point in time. I understand they were a tag team when they broke in but I don't know.. doesn't really fit into what was happening at that time.
As much as Bischoff was mad because Ultimate Warrior went into business for himself on his debut promo.
It was entertaining as hell. It gave range to the UW character. I laughed out loud when Warrior looked at the Disciple and said, "Who is this? Your barber?"
I don't know. It was entertaining for 2 or 3 minutes. Then it just got boring. It's like okay we know you're crazy and like to ramble incoherently for 20 minutes straight but you're in there with Hogan. Just Challenge him to a match and move on.
“Its f**ckin daytime eric” 😂 lmao hardcore
DDP proved after 97 and his matches with macho man was main event material IMO
Yep.
DDP-"What's the finish tonight bro" Macho Man -"I think I'm gonna take the Diamond Cutter brother"... What respect for a legend to put DDP over like that and DDP being older than most in their careers, that put him on a rocket and DDP gives him all the glory 🤘🤘
Warrior in WcW was a train wreck... BUT he did say the coolest line in his entire history.. Talk to Hogan.. “You have never beaten a warrior!.... especially THE ULTIMATE ONE!!!!”
On the "Self-destruction of the Ultimate Warrior" DVD, Hogan and Bischoff say that they cringed at that line. Hogan said, "Well, then why would anyone want to see it?"
I never understood Hogan's logic. The Warrior was a demon from Hogan's past.
Chills!!
@@TheSBleeder Cringe? I thought it was a great line
Just watched the HoganWarrior match back. Tony Schiavone did an excellent job in covering up a lot of the mistimed spots.
I can’t lie. This was my favorite WCW PPV of all time, with slamboreee 98 coming in 2nd. Warrior coming back is one of my favorite all time moments. I thought the build to this was so FIRE!!
The upper card on paper is insane.
I must say i really miss Warrior's UA-cam channel, his videos was awesome.
*were
I have only just stumbled upon his old UA-cam clips etc.
If I had of known he had a Facebook and UA-cam when he was alive I would of loved it . I'm Australian and really I thought warrior fell off face of earth in the late 90s
I could listen to Eric say Betty boop bar all day
just wanna say I've listened to a bunch of the shows, not all, but definitely a handful. love it. very cool to go back and get the real inside scoop on how it went down.
As a kid I loved HH98 lol I rented it from blockbuster like 50 times haha... seeing it again recently I see why its not good but I still love it, idk if its nostalgia or just missing wcw but I really dug it lol ( hogan vs warrior was trash but I thought that as a 7 yr old kid also lol)
I had it taped and watched it a bunch. Hogan vs Warrior was shit but at least Goldberg vs Page delivered. Probably best match Goldberg ever had.
I just watched the show for the first time ever last night, honestly maybe it's just hindsight or because of the level of starpiwer but I thought it was a great show.
Hogan vs Warrior also certainly wasnt good but I didnt feel it was horrendous either, theres been TONS of worse matches of television in the years since. I really enjoyed the show overall!
This is my favorite podcast ever. I can’t believe I just found it. I haven’t watched or payed any attention to wrestling since 1999. I miss those days, and getting to listen to this brings back so many good and some bad memories. Props to bichoff. Sound like a guy I would actually enjoy hanging with. Even though back in the day I was such a mark that I hated him. Love this though.
Raven was a top guy in ECW and TNA in ECW for a while he really was there #1 guy, no one in WCW and WWE were capable of understanding his character and as a result he was stuck in the mid card and even worse in WWE
Massive respect to Eric for not going into Eddie's personal life and talking about something he doesn't know about.
I remember this ppv.
I ordered it at my cousin's house and watched.
The main reason I was watching was for the Hogan vs warrior match.
I thought there should have been a title on the line. But Goldberg was world champ at the time.
Other then that the match seemed dated and was a cluster fuck.
At the end of the Hogan warrior match we got a message from the ppv to turn to another channel to see the last match. So I was not affected by the blackout. I still have this show on vhs from the original ppv.
Makes sense why WCW failed..Eric’s answer throughout these pod casts is “I don’t remember, I wasn’t in the room when they booked that, I wasn’t involved with that as much, not my call.”
Yup. This is the guy who said the finger poke of doom was "good heat."
@@healingchurchpotluck5352 It was good heat its a bs narrative it wasn't.
@@Kinogotiate Wrong type of heat though. It was a heat that made people turn off the product because it was considered too low of a blow.
@@MW-cx3sb Nope they were doing 100% fine it was just AOL time warner merger that ended WCW.
@@Kinogotiate they never beat raw in the ratings again after that nitro. That 100% was not good heat it turned people off to the product.
“ hey guys we might run over our time slot for the PPV, we need to cut some things down.” “ get rid of that hogan-warrior match, we don’t really need to see that.” “ good thinking, you’ve just saved us.”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
1:16:14 hogan vs warrior
83 Weeks is the best podcast out there. I loved WCW, the good and the bad. The only thing I don't like is these shows make me remember how much I miss having it around.
Something To Wrestle & 83 Weeks are the two best Wrestling PC's out there. I like STW more just because im partial to WWF over Dubya Cee Dubya
Eric is really being open & honest. but i do still feel he's holding back or being stubborn on certain subjects
I don't believe a word he says.
The Goldberg vs DDP match was probably one of if not the best match in WCW ever. Way ahead of it's time and a match people try to replicate nowadays (Brock vs Goldberg at Wrestlemania 33 was similiar.)
FACTS GOOD FUCKING MATCH!
BOO this man and his comment. Best in WCW?? wow
DDP shock win would have been better than what they did for both paths
Didn't Brock just squash and bury Goldberg? That's not a great match, as much as i liked watching Goldberg get slung around the ring 100 times.
It was definitely Goldberg’s finest match.
I could listen to Eric say Betty boop bar all day
Starts 13:05
I love you people
More like 7:50
More like 1:07:22
@@D00MTR33 you liked Eric talking about the Betty Boop bar?
The funniest thing I've seen in wrestling was Armad Johnson hitting Farooq in the back with a plank of wood in the Royal Rumble and Farooq giving a delayed shocked reaction like some had just stuck something up his arse
And Armad Johnson was holding the plank of wood too far down so it swung really slowly
Still the greatest 2 wrestlers of all time. I'd take that over the boring workrate of today anytime.
7:54
Thank you
haha hell yeah! good man
What about it
@@theoutdoorsman9726 show starts there. catch up.
ITS FKN DAYTIME!!
I miss the ultimate warrior rest in peace ultimate warrior
Me.to mate .. true legend
I loved the Jericho vs raven match. It's 1 of my favorite matches. That are very under rated like Booker T HHH at wrestlemania 19.
I think nash walking out was done great he showed that the fight between the 2 former best friends was more important than the win. He got his point across to Hall & Hall still got his hand raised.
& the diamond cutter was very over I'd argue the stone cold stunner if anything. But I'd still go with the cutter.
He said theyd lost the wheels creatively. What about sting vs warrior? Bret vs Hogan at starrcade. Goldberg vs sting (with no interference!) Wcw had potential. Wargames 98 could've been Hogan, warrior, savage, bret vs sting, luger, ddp,flair. That's wwf vs wcw dream from a few years before.
Man, fit finlay in wcw was a straight bad ass.
1:16:10 is the review of the Hogan-Warrior dumpster fire.
Best ppv main event in wcw history, in my opinion. DDP got one hell of a match out of ol' greenberg
@I'm a stupid poopface and yes and almost broke the streak
It was a terrible event
Too bad it pretty much became a house show main event.
@@johnnyso1979 twist that narrative!
@@snoopyfod1807 I saw the feed get lost just after they locked up.
"That's not a wrestling move, it's murder"
Show starts 7:47
right on
+1 sir.
"Wouldn't that fuck you up?" Lmao that was hilarious
I was at the skydome for Hogan and warrior at mania 6. When WCW did Warrior vs Hogan 2, I knew right away it wasn't going to be the same. It was WCW to begin with, and it sealed the deal for me when warrior did his 5 hour promo on nitro . I was hoping for the best, and was excited for that card, and well, we all know what happened...blah
V
Eric: I don't recall. Conrad: Chat me up. Guess everyone needs a catchphrase.
Ernest Miller vs Jackie Chan might have been entertaining.
I always wait up to listen first thing. I love this fucking podcast
Eric is full of it here, of COURSE hogan vs bret wouldve been better for everyone but hogan wanted to even the score with the warrior, so he got what he wanted and helped further ruin wcw in the process
Why bret got ruined was Hogan knew he couldn't have a 20 minute match with hart and because he couldn't hang with bret people would've gotten behind bret and that wouldn't have worked for him brother, smh. Thanks Eric and Hogan should have stopped sniffing Hogan jock
One of the BEST PPV line ups ever and it contains my favourite match of ALL TIME... Sting vs Bret Hart.
Love the theme at the start!
The scorpion death 💀 lock vs the sharpshooter!!👍😎🤘
Lmfao! God alllllmighty! I forgot that mirror thing! That beautiful cornball shit! YES! 😂😂😂
Did you not see the warrior debut... the crowd seemed into is the entire debut.
Eric should have had DDP beat Goldberg. The crowd was insane that night
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Conrad, I'm very impressed. 👏🏼👏🏼
Notice how he speaks about Horace and David .. then he did the same exact thing with Garrett in tna
That Bret Hart attempted murder spot....
1:25:00 Conrad is taking Warrior's words out of context... Warrior was NOT "ranting and raving" about WCW. Warrior's words here are from Warrior's 2004 shoot interview (which Conrad conveniently doesn't mention).... hardly a case where Warrior "just can't wait to bury WCW". Warrior was ASKED many questions in his shoot which produced these answers, which Conrad misrepresented.
That Eddie Guerrero reference... this is now my favorite episode 👍🏽
This show works fantastic for my favorite time ever in wrestling, The Attitude Era! Great team!" Eric is a class act all around. He is hilarious and calls it as he sees it! I will be going to see them with my friends. I was a police officer in the 90s at the time and worked the event at the then Patriot Center In Fairfax VA. WCW was a class act always. No one ever drew heat like Eric or Jim Cornette as managers!
My eyebrows are burnin brother brother ahhhh brother oh shit brother ahhhhhhh!
I love this show!!!
Lmfao. That's not a wrestling move, that's murder. Love it
43:54 the TV title meant more than the US title or the Tag Titles.. around that time.
The Booker T vs Benoit best of 7 series of 98 was fantastic, really cemented both those guys for me.
No it didn't idiot
Conrad with the “wtf is this” 😂😂😂😂
I remember Jackie Crockett yelling at the photographer who walked right in the middle of the main camera shot during this show.
It's easy to shit on Warrior Hogan these years later but as a kid at the time I marked out for this feud
After hearing all crap for so many years on Hogan/Warrior H. H. match, I watched it again with fresh eyes. Have to say its not that bad, what more were they expecting!! And all the shaboogle, fire and chair shot and shit makes it more entertaining. I GIVE IT A 3 OF 5 STAR..
It deserves one star out of 10, and only because of the two legends involved… the match itself was among the worst EVER that didn’t involve an outside celebrity,
Everybody knows the Stunner was the most over move in 1998
It's Coming Home The Diamond Cutter was much better! DDP got much more creative with the move than Stone Cold did with the Stunner. I think DDP is the most underrated wrestler of the Monday Night Wars!
He doesn’t get half as much credit as he deserves!
Really? I thought Warrior's left armed clotheslines were more over in '98.
I don't know. The diamond cutter was HUGE in 98. I'd argue it was at least tied with the stunner. And to me, ddp reversing the jackhammer into the diamond cutter was my most favorite wrestling moment of the attitude era.
You mean disco inferno's chart buster?
How funny is it that he did the move before Stone Cold?
@@antology7 Mee too most insane move ever could of been over in 01 and kept wcw alive with warrior vs 3 count .. good damnit
What Metzler, Conrad and the rest of the wrestling universe dont understand is the Hogan/Warrior angle was way over with the preteen audience. The ppv payoff was never going to be great because the biggest targeted audience wouldnt be able to order the show.
Have to agree with that, as I was one of those kids loving this Warrior Hogan feud
Best believe I was one of the 7mil that turned in for Monday Nitro
Richard Cox u little thief smh
Ha I wasnt
Can't listen to this on app. Amount of ads are insane
Goldberg vs DDP is probably my favorite match of the attitude era.
That head lock 🤣🤣
Crazy to think this has been going on for over 2 years, really cool though.
We should have learned from David Flair not to push family into hot angles.
10 years later, "hey Garrett, want referee the main even match on PPV?"
Great show.
I can't unhear Scott Holic
"IT'S FUCKING DAYTIME ERIC!!!"
We all know they never wanted it to work go back and look up some of the old warrior shoot interviews. They only brought The Warrior character back because Hulk Hogan wanted his win back 😒🙄. They could of done so much with guys like Warrior or Hart another guy Hogan got to come into WCW to bury 🤬🤬.
Conrad wants to know if he's related to the Hulk. Well when Hulk did the leg drop not many people kicked out. If Conrad did the leg drop nobody would kick out and no one would get up again. I can safely say there is a family link here.
This is awesome
The aftermath of this even shows just how lost Bischoff had become. You had a well-received bout in Goldberg/DDP, with WWF having younger stars and now beating you in the ratings here is your chance to give the audience something fresh moving forward. So what does WCW do? Has Goldberg lose at their biggest PPV to Nash, who loses it in the infamous match vs Hogan on Nitro, who then defends against Flair at the next PPV. What a perfect way to counter the WWF, put all the old guys back in the spotlight.
I didn't have a problem with Nash over Goldberg. Because it set up a huge 1999 with Goldberg raging and getting his title back. The fingerpoke of doom derailed ALL of that potential/momentum.
Yeah, my only problem with Nash going over was that it was at the biggest show, Starrrcade. They had already screwed up before with the fast count Sting-Hogan match a year earlier at this PPV, so I think it was a mistake to have another main event where the main star does not go over clean
Wayne Clark x
I don't think dropping the strap to Nash was necessarily wrong he was the most over behind sting who was out and Goldberg who was losing steam. What they did the next night on nitro with the finger poke of doom was a travesty giving it to flair was equally bad but they were lost at that point.
Nash should’ve been a baby face champ and you would’ve had a rock Austin type of angle With two mega over faces. Maybe that could’ve happened.
I can't wait till they get to erics tna run
The Warrior's run in WCW was underrated and while Hogan Warrior 2 did not live up to the hype I did not hate this match or Warrior as a powerful foe against the nWo. I enjoy crazy, fun, funny, over the top wrestling. Warrior's ratings were high for a reason and I was baffled when he was randomly gone. Abruptly dropping a story like this was as nonsensical as the New Blood Millionaires Club story randomly being dropped. Also, my growing annoyance with this show is that Eric is starting to embrace Conrad and Meltzer's standards which are boring and snobbish. Dave Meltzer's tastes are irrelevant to me.
I was never a big wcw fan but I did watch it. I Missed 97-98 though. There was just something about it at the time I didn't like. Looking back though, I have a lot of love for it.
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When talking about Disco being under appreciated you needed to mix the word bro in every sentence.
I miss rhe HALLOWEEN HAVOC set and ring. Kind of wish WWE would incorporate HALLOWEEN HAVOC with HELL IN A CELL special event
Eric really doesn't give a dam
lol @ Eric's defense of Disco "hes entertaining, that's what its all about!"....SO ARE GIMMICK MATCHES
Went to a WCW house show at the Ft.Pierce Civic center around this time and some woman wanted me to let her kids have our ringside seats. Sorry babe , no couldn't do. It was a hot time in wrestling.
Again, Hogan and Warrior get shit of for that mirror angle, yet Undertaker and Kane have done FAR more ridiculous shit over the years and nobody criticizes just how stupid that was.
Legit, I agree. I didn't like anything involving Taker in 1999 back then and I don't now. Mysticism in wrestling to me is beyond retarded. But yet people get at me for fanboying for Biker Taker and Corporate Kane, which were much more realistic gimmicks. I'm beyond done.
People criticize Kane's history all the time
Love the show
Honest to god I love Warriors time in WCW and Bretts i'm just a weird person I guess. WCW's 1998 Roster BEST ROSTER in WRESTLING HISTORY!
ya thats pretty weird tbh, if you look at general consensus. Especially weird if you compare WWE's 98 roster which included the rock and steve austin, possibly the two biggest stars to ever emerge from pro wrestling...
Hulk Hogan,Macho Man,Rick Flair,Bret Hart,Sting,Hall,Nash,Warrior,Eddie,Chris Benoit,The Big Show back then "The Giant",Dusty Rhodes,Terry Funk ,DDP,Goldberg,Y2J Literally 1998 kicks the shit out of WWF 1998 with Austin,Rock,Taker,Kane Rookie Angle,Man Kind WCW's roster eats them alive!
Booker T.... Rick and Scott Stiener... new Japan's stars.... Mexico's ENTIRE ROSTER! ...
The problem for wcw is the wwf at the time had the biggest star in pro wrestling stone cold Steve Austin.
@@jrdoo7x it wasn't just Austin you had the greatest heel of all time in Mr. McMahon. That feud alone carried WWE. The rest of the roster had some good stuff but that feud was the golden goose.
DDP GOLDBERG Enough SAID!!!.
Jericho/Raven was my favorite match of the night.
No the stone cold stunner was the most over finish at the time.
Before the stunner, the diamond cutter was much, much over. It's probably the most over finish ever to be honest, at least an argument could be made for that.
@@SmithCommaBenjamin nah...I know jake's DDT was more over than both....Cause people actually chanted "DDT"....actually, The stunner and cutter were bot like the ddt's ,moves that can be done to everybody and could come quick from anywhere
@@benashworth2278 people didn't chant Diamond Cutter. But they did make the gesture with their hands
@@SmithCommaBenjamin oh, it was over...hell, the people's elbow might have been more over than all of them..
Goldberg...spear...jackhammer. still amazing to rewatch him Jackhammer the Giant.
01:10 talks about touching moment in previous week that was cut.. the ep just cuts out.
Goldberg's best match?
Best one that I've seen.
Not a lot of guys could have a good match that lasted longer than 5 minutes with Goldberg.
DDP was notorious for the detail with which he planned his matches ahead of time. I'm sure he put a lot of thought into this one, especially since it was his first major main event.
As per usual, Bischoff has nothing of value to say. He has no insight and literally just agrees with Conrad. It amazes me how Bischoff had so very little involvement or knowledge of the creative aspects. The guy just had absolutely no mind for story past the initial nWo. He never can explain the reasoning for anything creative or even anything related to booking, hes just a total dunce and boring.
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I really enjoy the show, but a commercial every 5 minutes makes it tough to just let it play while I'm doing stuff around the house. Today took the cake by interrupting a COMMERCIAL with a COMMERCIAL
Skip to the end then hit replay
Instead of the matches how about cutting out the 5 Nitro girls segmants (why have them on PPV?) or the Konnan video which would have been better debuted on Nitro so more people could see it? That's like 15-20 minutes right there. Sure Saturn vs Lodi or Meng vs Wrath could have been cut but not before those wastes of time.
I remember Raven,p, he had Kidman, Saturn, he had that swat team to protect him for a time lol. Ravens rules matches
Wasn't Horace in Ravens Flock in wcw years earlier ??
A month earlier. Not years.
Oh yeah, the 1% bantu African blood that everyone gets...yeah right.
Can Eric ever give a normal fucking answer to anything !? Jesus!....everything he responds to takes 45 min of blabbering! Get to the the point for F sake! I will miss him though, that’s what made him so hilarious
And his protection over Hogan. The Hart and Sting is a slow burn.. to say the least but the ending picks up and pops higher than at any moment during Hogan vs Warrior and Eric still says “it’s not hogans fault”, “warrior was difficult to work with a lot of people”
Luckily, this was the last WCW event I ever watched. Didn't even bother with Nitro the following night. Things still got worse afterwards, apparently...
Did you have a favorite match at least?
Hall and Nash should of been a way bigger deal than it was. Breaking up the outsiders is a big deal