Who Started The Great War In Fallout? The Answer Is NOT What You Think
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- Опубліковано 22 кві 2024
- The Fallout TV show by Prime Video seemingly implies Vault-Tec fired the first nuke and started the Great War. But is this true?
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From what I watched it's neither confirmed nor denied, we just know Vault Tech were planning on dropping nukes first, we don't know if they actually got the chance to follow through with their plans.
Me thinks it wasn't Vault tech because of Barb's daughter not being in a vault when the bombs fell.
The head of vault-tec moved the plans up and either didn't tell his exes or they informed them at the last minute. Which explains why Janey was with her dad and not her mom. Plus the President was informed what is up because he could not be reached
I don't think it was vault tech because there is so many incomplete vaults
@@eaglefan1018 my thoughts exactly... If anything I thought that it was proof that Vault-tec didn't do it...
There's no way that she would have took that kind of risk with her daughter, and she was high enough in the company that she would have known if they were going to do it.
Yup exactly
They didn’t confirm anything. It could still be anyone.
All they confirmed is they were willing to, if nobody else did.
100%
Oh yeah go back to fallout 3 and go to megaton the bomb clearly has the vault tec symbol on it
@@romanalonso9223 No it doesn’t. Completely different symbol. Check your eyes.
@@CheeseWorks-vj4yi it does
I dont think Vault Tec dropped the first bomb, because Mr. House would not have risked the platinum chip being late. Vault Tec would have told him the date, so he should of had the chip if the bombs went as planned.
Coopers kid would not have likely been with him and would have been with his ex-wife when the bombs went off. Lots of the people at that table would have made accomodations with proper warning.
@blackdandelion5549 Yes, if we base it off what Mr. House said in New Vegas, the bombs went off 20 hours earlier than he thought. Cooper's daughter was most likely spending her last day with her dad and was probably scheduled to go with her mom the next morning right before the bombs.
That’s the biggest piece of evidence cause like you said house would’ve had the platinum chip before the bombs fell if that meeting in the TV show is them deciding to do it first
Unless he didn't agree in the end
@@LoneVaultWanderer I think the man in the shadows we saw above the meting in ep 8 probably had more say in things and the people at the table still felt like they had a lot of power, but look at Bud A. now on his roomba that got trapped by a mop handle falling. He was so powerful in the end to stop Norm from walking into vault 31. The puppets don't know they are puppets if the puppeteer does things right. Everyone in that room thought they were the puppet masters of all of the civilians buying up vaults and the rest of the civilians being left for dead and radiation. Even other companies were cannibalized like the cold fusion companies. My bet is there are still people or at least one person pulling the strings and this was so alluded to and the TV Show did an amazing job of teasing that.
I wonder how the Ghoul lost his family. He's still searching for them. I think in S2 we will get flashbacks of the Ghoul confronting his wife. She will admit everything but at that time it will be too late. The Ghoul knows what really happened.
They get Divorced too, would like to think that Cooper after hearing Barb say what she said, hands her papers. As during the kids birthday party the dad and his friend are talking about how they got Cooper there and he says ‘Alamony’ so we know they got Divorced.
I wonder if we are going to see Flashbacks of Cooper trying to survive after the bombs and experiencing society crumbling?
Also Lucy asking him how life and society was like before the bombs.
@@Crackshotsteph here’s hoping! Hope a lot gets fleshed out more, listening to what the directors said there was so much they wanted to add but couldn’t because they were only doing 8 episodes. Can’t wait for season 2 😂
I have to take what we learned in the series at face value. Vault-Tec was at least one of the factions that made the decision to drop the bombs. The ones really in charge were the shadowy figures we briefly see in that scene. I’m assuming they’re connected to the Enclave in some way, and we’ll learn more in season 2.
I think you've nailed it. I'll be surprised if we don't see more of the Enclave in Season 2.
If vault tech did it then why was China clearly getting ready to attack as we see in the switch board? I doubt vault tech did it. Did they want to? Sure they did but they weren’t ready.
1:00 I still think it was The enclave. When Barb gets that notification on her pipboy and looks up at a dark silhouette of a man, "The enclave" automatically screamed out at me. That's their entire MO, working in secrecy, pulling the strings from the shadows.
I was always under the impression even before the Fallout TV Series was thought of that it was the Enclave that triggered bomb launches from China which then started it all.
The Interplay lore, the pre-war cabal (associated with Vault Tec), now known as the Enclave, triggered the nuclear war.
Thats So underwhealming
8:56 you know how much the GOV doesn’t even tell its high ranking officials 😂 she most likely didn’t know they would be dropping on that day or at all
Who is that mysterious stranger?...Oh wait 😮 !!!
I really wish we got more screentime in the Enclaves perspective because we barely even see them and i do know Vault tec and the Enclave were working closely together
That is strongly confirm by the Enclave Doctor knowing so much about the Vaults in specific detail, and up to the present date, like knowing who Lucy was. To me it indicates that they still had some major involvement with the vaults
@@peadarruane6582see it’s crazy how the show catches you off guard I never even thought about that
I believe the bomb used to blow up Shady Sands was the one Vault Tec was going to use to start the war but the Chinese beat them to it. Only way it would explain how Hank and Betty managed to make a crater that massive.
Can we get breakdowns of the remaining episodes? The breakdowns you made of the first couple of episodes were amazing
I really appreciate it mate, but the views were seriously dropping on those videos and they were a lot of hard work :(
Great points I'm glad you put this out there. More people need to see it. Pre war plans do not necessarily translate to how the war actually went down. VT may even have nuked someone separately but I don't think they actually started the war. It sounds like they didn't take the actually possibility of war as a given and wanted to start their own. This could've been completely a miss on their part
Thanks so much mate
To me, just from playing the games, going back to Fallout 1 when it came out in the 90's, without the show, Vault-Tec wanting to drop the bombs was always a valid argument. Hard to prove who actually dropped the first one because retaliation nukes wipe out the places with the most population.
In Fallout 1 the vaults were just normal shelters, and vault tec was a normal company.
Fallout creator Tim Cain didn't have the idea for the vault experiments, and vault tec conspiracy, until he was developing Fallout 2.
When somebody in charge of an IP says that something new is cannon and deliverately contradicts the OG lore, they don't care. They're making it their own
in other words, they might have… that is they need to promote the vaults, they would intentionally dropped the bombs, what if someone panicked and instigated the war?
This occurred to me yesterday as well. We don't actually see them do it in the finale. For now I'm going with they did shoot first, but we need to see more of Barb to find out. Why would she drop the bomb when her daughter was outside? Maybe she didn't, perhaps Bud or the silhouette man turned on her? I guess we'll find out in Season 2.
Also there was so many unfinished Vaults when the Nuke dropped. I don't think Vault tec was ready to drop it yet.
Awesome video. I love the depth of your content now that you're doing it full time.
That means a lot, thank you so much
Barbs and the ghouls daughter was next to a home vault. You see the family go down and the dad knocks the neighbor out for wanting to go in…..
While not 100% conclusive, it’s pretty strongly hinting that it was Vault-Tec that dropped the first bomb. The fact that the response came quicker and everyone didn’t have time to enter the vaults just goes to show that, as the saying goes, “no plan survives contact with the enemy”.
I was kind of annoyed that Poseidon wasn't there, but then I thought to myself: seeing as VT made fusion power proprietary tech, and Poseidon is an energy conglomerate, it makes sense they aren't on the best of terms, even if they both supported the Enclave. Hopefully we see Poseidon in season 2, especially since they were the ones that built Helios one.
I just want them to keep doing pre-war segments haha
Basically it HEAVILY implied they did whilst leaving room to say, "But they didn't."
dude please more breakdowns, they are so good
Vault Tec had access to nuclear weapons as we see with the destruction of Shady Sands.
They “mislead”… and added to the mystery so we could all talk about it. like Betty said… “everyone needs something to fuss about”
In the end it depends on the rather they want the series to be cannon or not.
If yes then china started It, If no vault corp.
Bro keeps changing the thumbnail 😂 love your stuff Lone!
You must have forgotten the two guys talking about alimony, Cooper has split from Barb which is why they not safely put away in Vault 31, this scene from the start obviously takes place last amongst all the flashbacks.
I didn't forget. Why would Barb care? Divorce aside, she could have literally died. If she knew, she would have done absolutely everything to make sure her daughter was safe
@@LoneVaultWanderer Perhaps Cooper doesn't want his daughter to see Barb, we don't know, and it could be seen in the future why.
I felt like I was going crazy watching video after video and no one mentioning not only how the daughter wasnt in the vault, that she was with Cooper when the bombs dropped and yet ended up with the mother and is still possibly alive. That implies to me that we will get a flashback that is akin to Fallout 4 where he'll be excluded from coming into the vault on top of the hill but his daughter gets in.
For the nuke, my theory is that the head of Vault-Tec, who could also be the head of the Enclave(its not a business after all), and he leaked the F.E.V. information to someone in China. Now why would he do that before the vaults are ready? Probably due to some pressure of being exposed or replaced. However, I think your conclusion is right, and we may never know for that reason
I’m certain you missed something in Mothership Zeta. I’m sure I can remember the dlc making a separate insinuation that the aliens started it. Historically I played FO3 on console too so if I am vaguely remembering something it wasn’t cut content. I’m sure it was a text log, but could have been in dialogue with one of your temporary companions.
Edit: Not the cut audio log you played.
It MAY have been them but not for sure. However why would Barb let the daughter be out and away from a vault if she knew. Also the Nuke Threat was a selling tool to the others in the room. Wipe the surface clean can also mean that after the bombs things would be cleaned by a VT team. Dropping the bomb is an option if everything else does not go their way.
"Hey folks wanna see how nuts VT was/is? They would drop a bomb just to get their way"
In retrospect, it doesn't matter who. Only that it did. And, as Lone says, it keeps the fans engaged with the franchise by speculating.
I can confirm that bud talk about wiping the surface in the future. I watch this show in French and he was speaking in future tense on that sentence
The peace talks were going good to the point of ending the conflict. Vault-tec learns of this because they're going to be paying close attention of what is going on. They moved their plans to do it now, informed the President which is why he couldn't be reached according to the news cast that day. The head of Vault-tec informed his exes late or not at all. This explains why Janey is with her dad that day and not with mom. If Barb was informed of the plans being moved up, she couldn't get ahold of Cooper.
Were the enclave at that meeting with the ceos? Or was that Vault techs upper management
Funny to assume tho that management would warn its staff. It's a corporation, along as management is safe the employees don't matter
I could imagine that there's just no way to ever know who started it. Maybe season 2+ or Fallout 5 could give us a definitive answer? But I do think that the perpetual conversation is ultimately the best
I always thought about it like it’s the end of the world and it really didn’t matter who started the war. Like it made no difference, the world is over.
I think that the Canada line Tim mentioned was very important and critical as to why China may have resorted to nukes. In the intro videos of the earlier games, when they discuss the Annexing of Canada, you see an unarmed Canadian Citizen detained and on his knees, while two power armor troopers executes him.
I have seen a few fan theories that connected that Nate's unit from Fallout 4 was the same unit bringing down the iron fist on the Canadians.
In many ways, it would explain why China targeted Alaska for invasion, since Canada is right there. Not saying China is the hero in this, but it is known they were infuriated over the creation of Deathclaws.
As for the bomb in Megaton, to be fair the town is built out of the frame of a downed airplane. And if that plane was carrying bombs, it does make sense that the bomb was situated near the wreckage.
I think in the mod "Fusion City Rising", there is a console log or something that says the war was started by a badly botched false flag operation. Admittedly that's probably not canon, but it's the type of thing that could have happened, and would make it even harder to figure out the truth of who really launched the first nuke.
We know somebody is pulling all the strings even in the Wasteland even The Ghoul and Benny knew it. Sooner or later this faction will come out.
Benny? Why would he know about that?
@@chaserseven2886game was rigged from the start
This is such a super interesting theory and I can’t find much online about it.
But what does Benny say apart from the game being rigged to suggest there was another secret faction.
Another interesting Reddit thread I found was regarding the gunners. Who was hiring them and why were there is so many important fallout 4 locations.
There’s so much ambiguity.
It really leaves you wondering
I'm starting to believe that Vault Tec wanted to drop the nukes first but someone else beat them to it. I don't think Barb would allow the nukes to be dropped unless she had her daughter with her.
So it's still the aliens not wanting to be discovered by humanity.
Knew it!
Absolutely. New and old fans alike have misunderstood that scene.
I think it was just their way of saying
“We will make sure the Vaults get used”
Thank you lone for making this video it drives me crazy seeing all the people say vault tec dropped the bombs confirmed.
You're very welcome :)
Ah but also learning from fallout 76 vault tech did have access to the nukes like the overseer did say in 76
With the teaser trailer and subsequently the series, did anyone notice it a bit odd that we saw the nuclear explosions, but nothing dropping from the sky in the first episode. What's to say these bombs were planted in both the US and China, they go off, each country assumes its the other, which then leads to an immediate response after.
If the delivery method was intercontinental ballistic missiles, the warhead is probably moving over a thousand miles per hour and is quite small. A few feet long.
@@yodieyuh6077as far as I’m aware the nuclear war heads in fallout are not as advanced as the ones in our world. They are more on the level of Hiroshima bombs, so it suggests at least that thermonuclear war heads weren’t used yet but we don’t know for sure. The show also confirms this with how small the explosion were and how many were used on the area.
Do ICBMS exists in fallout at all
@@shoazdon7000
It's been a while since I played 3 or New Vegas but I remember them being in both and launching one in NV.
Were they the equivalent of our current modern icbms, I'm not sure.
I think they had plans too… but the plans changed drastically and speedily through something threatening thier plans or someone else hit the button first.
She wouldn’t have given him her daughter for the weekend if she knew they were dropping that day.
I don't think it was just the lengths vault tec would go to, but the access they had to the government that had been in such a long war that had been heavily discussed in the show as well. The fact Hank could just nuke a place shows that Vault Tec is still the ones hovering over the buttons and in power.
Personally, I just like the idea that we'll never know and having people point fingers at someone else and back and forth. Having it be the greatest unsolved mystery.
Like someone else said, we now know they planned to but we still don’t know who dropped first regardless, I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if it was vault-tech though.
It was the aliens
I've always thought that would be a funny twist 😂
It could have been Vault-Tec but it could also be China or the US and there could then be story telling around Vault-Tec having to react when theyd planned for being prepared preemptively
this is a pretty good theory and to be honest i still think they launched the first nuke maybe the peace went through and then the vaults wont be bought and it would lose revenue so they just launched the nuke themselves and i also think they didnt have that many nukes in their arsenal so they just launched them making the usa think it was someone else starting the great war but i guess we will either find out with the rest of the series or the next games in the franchise
Love this video, and I love the discussion! I have one thing that I noticed in the show that should be mentioned. In the very first episode of the show during the birthday party. There are a few parents standing around the TV watching the news (I think that is the right spot, I'd have to go back and watch), and the TV says something to the effect of "they don't know the current location of the president". The mother then shuts the TV off and tells everyone to enjoy the party. That tells me the US knew the missles were coming and the President was in hiding somewhere safe. Does that mean that the US launched thier missles, and since they knew China would retaliate, the president went into hiding?
Just putting it out there....
IGN, 2 days ago:
Fallout's nuclear apocalypse was thought to have been triggered by China going first. Tim Cain, co-creator of Fallout, said in an interview last year that it was indeed China who dropped the first nuke.
80 Level, Oct. 30, 2023:
According to Cain, the Chinese had requested the US to cease these experiments, and on the surface, the US agreed to do so. However, they actually continued their research in secret, prompting the launch of the nuclear missiles, which ultimately set the stage for the Fallout world depicted in the game series.
Imagine living in a world where nuclear war has been accepted as inevitable and everyone is just waiting around for someone to fire the first missile. Under those circumstances people would be much quicker to push the big red button.
I agree with everything you've said. I've been saying since I finished the last episode of the show that there was nothing in the show that confirmed that Vault-Tec 100% dropped the first bomb. In fact there's several things in the show that imply that despite them planning to start the war they didn't get the chance.
I dont think they actually dropped any bombs, but I think they may have heavily influenced it.
i think it was never one person or country to fire i think it just happened and everyone was involved it started and ended but that's just me. personally i hope we don't find out who did it the mysterys of fallout are one of the main reasons i feel in love with world of fallout
I think, and have always thought (considering how closely Vault-Tec techology is associated with) the Enclave (the American government) and Vault-Tec worked closely together to ensure that all the players not only made it to the Vaults themselves (Bud and all the Vault-Tec staff and the President / Enclave memvers) AND that the nuclear option was going to be the only option. Sure the Enclave hunts down Vault Dwellers in previous game (surely their own agenda coming to fruition). But they, the remnants of the government, needed vault-tec to ensure their own survival. They intentionally left Coopers wife and daughter out because they found oit her pip-boy had been compromised and left her to dis as a result.
The government with Vault-tecs help provoked China to attack first. But since they were planning on this already, had the time to prepare and watch as it happened.
It’s still unknown as to who dropped the first bomb, but we are definitely going to find out.
i think they WERE going to start the war....but with so many unfinished vaults and much of the enclave/goverment unprepared...
its my thinking it was likely a "oopsie" by some other party.
I dont think so, I think they certainly planned to, but there too much out there suggesting that they got beat to it.
All throughout each game, we see that every single company involved at that planning meeting wasn't completely prepared to have the bombs drop, even Vault-Tec didn't seem entirely "prepared for the future" with massive and expensive unfinished projects to an almost complete lack of any of those company's presences after the war like they planned.
I think they were working on a plan to kick things off and getting ready for it in their various companies, but someone else started first, screwing up their plans.
I had a couple thoughts you didnt touch on. So the pro vault tech launch thoughts are maybe he wasnt supposed to have his daughter right then. Also if you were vault tech you might leave a couple vaults unfinished just to make it look like you wouldnt have done it. Or… maybe after she said that it got leaked. China found out and made sure to strike first knowing as long as vault tech still had units under construction they wouldnt. Just some thoughts i had. I like these videos. Big fan of the lore.
I don't think its fair to say the show CONFIRMED Vault-Tec started the war, but we know that they were at least considering it and it is a possibility. The idea that Vault-Tec started the war gained a lot of traction as a fan theory after the launch of New Vegas, so I think it was awesome to see it as a plot point in the show.
It was the Zetans, thats what I will always think.
Who is the mysterious dude watching the meeting?
It was an AI, named Alas, Babylon.
i thought it was the zetans hacked the nukes and launched them all at the same time
This is so cool! The discussions are going to fill SOME of the void until season 2. Here's one that made me go hummmm! The Bubba Gump shrimp guy said "There a bounty came up, back from where you from, in California." Where the hell where they when they dug up The Goul! Definitely not in Cali! I know this sounds ridiculous but when the guard took a baby leg to the chest, I swear that location set me to mind of THE CASTLE! Helluva walk to the west coast from the Commonwealth but I watched twice so far and it struck me as the same place. Any thoughts!
Awesome breakdown of the possibilities!
Thank you!
I have a head cannon.... more a wish really, that the mysterious person at the top is the CEO of Vault-Tech and by extension a high ranking member of the Enclave. This person will be revealed to be the show's ultimate Big Bad Final Boss... And the actor that plays him is none other than Mr. Ron Perlman. Allowing him to echo Barb with the iconic line "War, war never changes".
Personally I still think Vault-Tech is still on the table for bombs drop cause Barb wasnt "Vault-Tech" sure she was very important to Vault-Tech, but a different part of Vault-Tech I dont think she could have say over when they dropped the nuke or not. plus given Vault 31 they technically had been prepped and ready for the drop. So I think highly likely they did considering Barb's position in the company and considering Vault 31. (Edit I finished the video and we are on the same wavelength)
Hey, separate thought: Look at who is making this series; Joy and Nolan, from Westworld.
Whatever you can say about how it ended up, the first season was tight and very intriguing.
Not suggesting they could screw this dogmeat, so to speak, but rather, thow tight they were on keeping the secrets of the plot from season to season.
IE: One of the superfans figured out the big secret before season two was shot, so they actually rewrote the ENTIRE CONCEPT, making it something completely different, thus, IMO, sewing the seeds of its subsequent plot implosion.
TLDR: Take nothing in this series at face value...
Another banger, keep it up bro!!!
I agree. Vault-Tec & friends (I assume the Enclave is one of these friends) did clearly have a good reason to do it. Why plan all those experiments if the test subjects were out of the vaults? And the only reason they'd go into the vault would be if the nukes started flying. And obviously they planned to survive to collect/use the results. But we didn't see them do it and they weren't the only ones with a reason to do it. Maybe someone else did it first. I don't think we'll ever get a definitive answer who started the war anyway, because the point of the Great War isn't "X is bad, they started it", as much as "everyone is bad to some extent and this is the danger of unchecked power".
Imagine your own mother to drop a nuke to "save the world from other humans", and you are just an innocent kid playing with your dad at a birthday party. Well.. that is brutal :(
Vault Tec did start the Great War because Hank dropped another bomb on Shady Sands in the show and also all the vaults with nuclear capabilities in Fallout 76
I’ve always believed it was vault tec
Someone fired a missle.. then both China and the US retaliated. That somebody who started it couls have been China, rhe US or Vault-Tec.
To me, it makes sense that China did the attack after losing the battle in Alaska.
LVW: "So, spoiler warning for this vid..."
Me: "LIKE, IN YOUR VIDEO TITLE???"
...erm, thank for the head's up...?
If you haven't seen it yet you never will
Well done. I'm amazed that so many people take everything so literally from the first source without considering that the source may be mistaken or lying or told "from a certain point of view". In a lot of media the first information we get is often incorrect or misleading and the reveal at the end is surprising or clarifying. At the end of shows run I'm certain we will be just as unsure about what happened as we were going in.
I suspect the show wants to keep it arguable. That way people keep watching so they can search and maybe one day find smoking gun level evidence so they can feel vindicated that their side of the argument was right.
I think it's their contingency plan, but China beat them to it. My proof is Barb is not a stupid woman and wouldn't leave her daughter's life up to luck or chance. Also, the switchboard in fallout 4 has a terminal that cements who launched first, China, and that the US responded to birds in the air.
Everyone knows Han shot first
All she did was posit an idea. No one agreed, they all had the Hmm look in response.
Think about Vault-Tec they don't like uncertainty and Barb is now less stable because she divorced her hubby, which could have led to Bud leaving her out of things at the instruction of his boss since he was only the head of this segment of Vault-Tec etc. I don't think they did it but if for some reason it turns out that way this could explain why her daughter was out of position.
A fun idea is that it was a flub on the part of a Vault-Tec spy in China who issued the fire order cause he got the date wrong. 😆 This would fit in perfectly with the dark comedy of Fallout and the war was a reading error.
Planning..n doing it.. we don't know if they did or not. Could have been a hack into the system
At first, I thought that you were off your rocker but now I agree with you. Vault tec may have come up with the idea but someone or something could have actually set the nukes off. Great video! Now I am even more curious than before. lol
Knowing this IP, if they ever do tell us, it will probably be some sort of War Games scenario, where one side merely thought the other side launched, due to a glitch, so the first nukes were thought to be a response, rather than an ambush.
@@Tijuanabill who knows! I like the mystery. Part of the RP :)
Haha glad I could convince you!
Could it be..... Richardson?
THANK YOU
it was either vault-tec or China. I feel like the US was run by the corporations. so if they had done it the corporations would been the ones that arranged it.
Did the whole fanbase collectively forget who dropped the bombs and why? Before the new show this was commonly known,
China was instigated into dropped the bombs
Love your fallout content, I watch it all now. I've played all the games with f3 being my first in '99. Actually I skipped 76. Did/can you do a lore video on what came out of that game? I feel like a lot of Fallout game skipped that one
I didn't have the emojis for ham fisted so here I am...
Whoever is currently writing cannon determines who started the war. That person is responsible for the next game. So, until someone retcons it...
according to that man vaultec did it.
I was surprised people were arguing that they “confirmed” VaultTech being the ones who shot first. But it’s mostly been those trying to crap on the show, looking for anything negative to say.
It never came across to me like it was confirmed, only that they could have been the ones… which is what we’ve all subscribed to already.
Oh, I thought it was the betryal at Maraposial base in Fallout 1. After all, there are Chinnese spies all over during this time period. I personally think that there are huge gaps of information left out of what happen during the Mariposal base in California that cause a global chasmtic events. Perhaps the Brotherhood was involve and that`s their biggest secret?
I prefer the subject to remain vague.
Plenty of reasons and innuendo to point fingers.
But no definitive answer.
One of the great mysteries of the game is not knowing.