No politician tells me if I can or can't salute my flag, my national anthem, my pledge of allegiance, or my brothers and sisters at arms. It's the politician who I will not salute.
As a vet, you take pride in your service, but do you not respect the rules which governed your service? It's all part of the same thing. I always followed the rules about not saluting, but in my heart I was. Now that this rule has been relaxed, I will be able to salute in good conscience. I like the new law, don't you?
Gerald Wescott "Respect" the rules? Not all of them I don't. I did follow the rules though. Now that I'm out though, those rules no longer govern me. I obey all Constitutional laws and the laws of my state. The fed has gone full blown traitor as far as I'm concerned though, and half the "laws" they have in place are illegal as per our Constitution and Bill of Rights. I've never considered an EO a law, because it bypasses Congress, which is the way it's supposed to go.
I am a warrior. Battle-tested. I always salute in declaration with dedication . Freedom : Provider ⬜ Consumer ⬜ Threat ⬜ (which are you ?) Hail to all my fore-fathers, pagan brothers & patron of Tyr. General Patton ! You will always be missed ! And hope our future leaders follows the spirit !
Chesty saw an enlisted man repeatedly saluting an officer. The officer told Chesty the Marine had failed to salute him so he was having the Marine do 100 salutes. Chesty told the officer, "You will return each salute." G-d bless you Chesty where ever you are.
The other day, I bumped into a retired Sergeant Major (USMC), and after a short chat, as we departed and went our separate ways, we both came to attention and saluted. MM1, USN (Ret)
Uncovered? At My Brother's Funeral Who was a Marine I was Uncovered, I returned Every Salute in turn hand over Heart.I am Sure The Funeral Detail caught a laugh and so did I,But Such is our Tradition .
After serving in two wars I have no interest in whether or not I can legally salute. I DO have a special, one finger salute to all of my government officials who've never donned a uniform yet feel compelled to inform us on how we should conduct our customs and courtesies.
For the record, we [veterans] didn't need a law giving us permission. We've earned the right to render a warrior's salute to the National Colors, and would continue to do so even if a law was passed specifically forbidding us to. This is one of those things where sweat and blood counts for more than ink on a page.
@@christheisgen2979 Well, CT, I'm Army myself and I have PTSD like you. You're right about noticing the 'little things', but oftentimes the little things depend on the service you're in and the trainers you had. For example: - Soldiers don't salute without a cover outdoors either, but we salute indoors -- different from the Navy. - I was always taught to put the bottom lace on boot on the upside in case we had to cut our way out of them. I did my 'long walk in the woods' in the Reagan era, so I cannot and will not speak to the experiences of those after my time. We never saluted or showed any kind of undue deference to officers in the field [nods, everybody standing up when they came 'round, whatever]. A simple 'yes, sir' was sufficient. But I spent most of my service time either in Germany or CONUS and saluting the colors was something the Army was focusing on. Leadership was VERY sticky about standing to during Reveille and Retreat and most of the time the color party was wearing helmets and web gear [the PASGT vests were just being issued]. So saluting the National Colors is a thing with me. Clearly your service time was different, so your personal customs will be different. But there's still a lot of stuff we notice... Like driving down the road and wondering why those Colors are at half mast. Or wondering why one of those three guys walking is out of step.
@@christheisgen2979 I can see that. I have an issue with a couple of Central American accents... they don't sound all that different to Caucasian ears, but they're like a bell in mine. I hear it, turn around and see a Hispanic with a certain Maya /Inca cast to their features and the hackles come up. I'm fine with Mexicans or Argentinians, but if they've got that certain look... It's nothing personal, I just can't help it.
It never remotely occurred to me that it would be illegal for me as a United States military veteran with three honorable discharges to render a salute during appropriate times. I always just sort of figured I earned that right. My oldest brother who was also a US military veteran passed away in 2017 and the official presiding over the funeral , a USMC Captain, addressed all present and instructed all military veterans in attendance to salute during the playing of taps . I certainly rendered my dear brother a very sharp and respectful final salute as did my Father , a retired military veteran.
because it wasn't illegal. it was also not "Codified" understand the same 1st Amendment that protects the right of one to kneel during the playing of the Anthem also grants the rendering of a hand salute. being codified just gives additional legal standing.
As a veteran, I render my salute for the flag and the National Anthem for those who are not here to render a salute themselves. Someday someone will be doing the same for me.
I don't think it was ever actually illegal. It was illegal for service members out of uniform on a military base possibly, but not any more of an offence than having a pocket button undone. Once you have your discharge, the UCMJ no longer applies.
politicians deserve the one finger salute. and hey have a lot of "negative" honor.. or dis honor. These days any politician in any position of power has dirt on them so they can be controlled. Without this dirt/control, they are not allowed to rise to any position of import. This explains their dishonorable behavior and betrayal of the american people while in office. the coup, the hijack is complete.
I went to the military funeral of a friend’s father who was a WW2 Marine. At one point during the outdoor grave site service all veterans were asked to render a salute during the playing of taps There were about four of us vets there and we proudly rendered a salute.
@@jimsteele9975 That is something I was firmly taught was the right thing to do. Truthfully, the only time I saw an out of uniform salute was on the street while a funeral cortege went by.
As a MARINE I WILL SALUTE the FLAG with or without law backing me. I did my time that's more than most of these politicians did.......SEMPER FI MARINES!!!!!!!
I'm 69 years old with four years active duty in the Marines and another eight years as a reservist in the National Guard. I would be both happy and proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with you when the time comes. Maybe we can prove to them the old adage; Never challenge the old. They didn't live so long by being either weak or stupid, and they have learned many dirty tricks the young have never even considered.
@@billd.4701 A medic could be of great service. You can care for the injured morons who tried to tell us old vets we couldn't render the salute we earned the right to give. Let's face it, we old farts know a lot of dirty tricks the young studs never even considered.
id render a salute even if it weren't a law or were deemed illegal. I'm a former infantry soldier of the US Army, I'll salute when I damn please, I don't need a law to do so.
T Schott - Agree completely. I dont need anyones permission to salute. Like you're going to "allow" me to salute? I fought for the right to do what I want, so you can take your permission and shove it...
Howard Fortyfive No I'm saying it's kind of stupid to act like you're a patriot when you don't respect our countries laws or UCMJ. Being an infantryman doesn't entitle you to break the law. That's the same sort of tyrannical thinking that our founding fathers were against. We're all equal in the eyes of the law
Yes, that is what civilians have been told to do, under The Flag Code, for decades. We did in grade school, in 1940s, and have continued to do it for many years. The announcement, by the president was simply letting veterans know they had the right and were requested to render the hand salute. Having been in many parades, as a participant, and as a viewer on the side of the road, that is what we always saw. I have delivered the information to many veterans groups, and Scout groups, to encourage their use of the hand salute,and most of the adults simply had no idea it had changed. The Scout Hand Salute has always been used by those groups, as well as the Girl Scouts. Those units actually have a federal charter, and the reason they have always done the hand salute.
And we thank you as well for your support. It means way more to us than most people think. You are the caliber of citizenship active duty, reserves, and vets will always fight and die for. Thank you again.
@@runwayray - God bless ALL our active military and our veterans. Although we serve/served wearing different uniforms, we’re still brothers and sisters.
As a former US Army Medic I will stand in constant salute and will not lower my hand until we are all called home! Amen! Let those around you see what REAL respect for our country is.
And at Taps when they fold the flag. A Navy Honor guard requested "All Veterans please render a hand salute" I thought it added a touch of class to the funeral!
unless after about 30 years they're too fat to get in a uniform. when i retired from the Navy, i weighed 140lbs. now at 160 i couldnt get my crackerjacks past my man-boobs or over my butt. :D
I never know that you couldn’t, then again no one ever arrested me for if because my fellow South Dakotans always show respect for our glorious flag and those who defended her.
Well, just look up who "sponsored the bill" and you can probably figure out which group they were trying to snooker into thinking they even give a damn about the military or our country. Except for the military veterans serving in the House and Senate, I don't think any of the others think we're anything but "suckers" for serving our country.
I am former Air Force(88' to 94"). There is no one who can stop me from saluting our flag at anytime. As a civilian now I do put my hand over my heart during the National Anthem, but if i am wearing my cover , I salute.
You point out a curious anomaly. It is considered proper for a person in civilian cloths to remove his hat when hearing the Anthem or observing the flag passing in parade. But if we veterans are going to salute, there is a catch 22 with that as it is certainly not the done thing to take of your cover for that. Me, I've never saluted in public since I got out as that practice has only been for people in uniform....except for the commander in Chief and even that is not 'written'. Just as aside, by the belligerent comments from my fellow 'Brothers in Arms', is it any wonder that some folks say we should not be hired to 'Protect and Serve'? It appears we've collectively more the mind set to kick somebody's ass for breathing -Veteran '66-68
The salute is widely misunderstood outside the military. Some consider it to be a gesture of servility since the junior extends a salute to the senior, but we know that it is quite the opposite. The salute is an expression that recognizes each other as a member of the profession of arms; that they have made a personal commitment of self-sacrifice to preserve our way of life. The fact that the junior extends the greeting first is merely a point of etiquette-a salute extended or returned makes the same statement.
For that reason, I'm glad they passed the law. I always felt like saluting, but not being in the chain of command anymore, I thought it wasn't correct to do so. Now it is. Good.
its a free country, a veteran can salute if they want to and if anybody says otherwise then that is a huge disrespect of the veterans service defending peoples rights
A veteran salutes what he respects and honors, his country, the constitution, and those fellow vets who stood for America, certainly not the politicians of today! Those who have served earned the right to make that decision for themselves, not some political self-serving twit.
@@jimherman859 Any one can salute anything they want. They don't need permission from some politician to "be allowed to" - And to think of the morons who thought; "oh thank you mr. politician for allowing me to give a salute while during the playing of the national anthem... oh thank you, thank you"
As a Navy Hospital Corpsman with the 3rd Marine Division in Vietnam, I believe no Veteran needs permission from politicians to salute the flag. It and the oath we took to defend the Constitution never expire until we do!
I was unaware that it was illegal for veterans to salute the flag. I hope they make this retroactive and release all the veterans that are locked up because they broke this law.
I was a grunt, 101st airborne in Vietnam, the widowmakers. I respect anyone that served or serves. it took 10 people in the rear area to support one of us "grunts". I too feel awkward when someone thanks me for my service, I was just doing my job and keeping my friends alive. I want to thank you for your service, because of people like you, serving, in any branch of the service, I made it home alive. Thank you.
I'm a US Marine, once was,still am and always will be! took an oath, meant it then , still mean it now. it's my flag too! if I want to render a hand salute out of respect for what it means, what it means to me, I'll do it, and consider it a privilage and an honor. and there is NO earthly man that's going to tell me I can't! Semper Fi !
As a 30 year, retired Navy man. I Salute All who wear, or have worn the Uniform in any branch. Keeping America, the America we all recognize...is NOW our job. More than ever before. Don't allow Any Politician to Destroy What WE, who Obeyed our Oath, gave our lives to protect. HAND SALUTE.
This video was uploaded on November 8th, 2008. The law was put in place because some people claimed that it was formerly incorrect to salute when not in uniform. So in this instance, your lawmakers are on your side and were just trying to shut up those people who tried to prevent Veterans from saluting.
@ remowil55 - I earned the right to salute the flag and salute when the flag passes or the National Anthem or Taps is played and Ive done it ever since I got out of the Army in '69, as my tour in Vietnam gave me a whole new perspective.
I'm retired coast guard. I bumped into a Vietnam vet at the store awhile back. Saw his rank on his cover, and snapped him a salute. His expression has stayed with me since then. A salute shows respect to current and former service members. I don't need a law telling me where and when i can do it.
I was glad to hear this. This nation gave me...and my family...so many opportunities that we wouldn't have had in Europe that a salute is the *least* I can do to show my gratitude.
As I understand the law that was reported, a veteran "can render a hand salute," making that an option to be used at one's discretion. The order does NOT state that a hand salute as a mandatory function. Marines like myself who prefer to stick to the tradition of standing at attention and facing the flag or the direction the music is coming from in lieu of a visible flag should act accordingly. Those who prefer to render a hand salute, do as your conscience dictates. One is no more patriotic than the other. In either case, respect is the order of the day when it comes to honoring veterans and our Nation's flag. Semper Fi, continue to march.
+Donald Chalfy Concur...The hand salute is a gesture of greeting between Warriors. ETS or retirement should not end ones membership in the Warrior class.
It's amazing the guff I've had thrown at me over what I said about the salute. All of it coming from people who know nothing about Marine traditions. Never served a day in the Corps even had the nerve to say I'm a stolen valor phony. I invited him to my home to say that to my face, and when he wakes up I'll show him my DD-214 along with my combat record and decorations and even let him flip through my Graduation book from 1966 at Paris Island. His biggest bitch was I wouldn't give him my primary MOS as if that has anything to do with it the tradition of the salute in the Marine Corps which he knew nothing about. And I'm still not gonna mention what it was. After being in 10 years I was all over the map. From PI to Geiger to California on to Okinawa to RVN to Lejune to Portsmouth Navel Shipyard USNDC back to Lejune to Cherry Point on to Camp Smith Hawaii and on to New River Air Station where I was honorably Discharged in 1975. And if the fool is reading this notice my MOS means nothing about tradition and I still won't list it. We are all basic rifle men. Every one of us are 03's every mechanic, every cook, every engineer and shit bird who ever served in the Marines is exactly that above every other thing they may be. But I also had wings with a parachute on my chest that we wore on all our uniforms. So you know what I did and the price I had to pay to earn them. Ooh-Rah Recon.
hey Avery I was down Camp Geiger Montford point and camp Lejeune in 77 and 78. an ole navy corpman here....did my A school up in great lakes....talk about an armpit on the east coast but hey it was home for a couple of years......semper fi
Army 74-77. I have always rendered a salute during the national anthem. I never knew it was illegal. I did it because I earned the right as a Vet. I was raised to believe I could do whatever I damn well pleased and didn't need the goober- mint to give me permission.
I remember when they did this. I was doing it anyway and had been corrected several times by older soldiers who saw me doing it in public. This was a glorious moment for young private me. Like many have said, we earned the right, but to have it codified as a law felt liberating and empowering.
I'm an honorably discharged veteran of 3 branches (USN, USCG and ARNG), my fellow veterans and I certainly don't need "permission" from the federal government or any politicians (least of all any politician who never served) "giving" me a right to salute the flag of the country we defended. When people think that the government "gives" them their rights, beware because that same thinking will allow the govt to take them away.
I am astonished that a law even exists concerning this. By 2009 I was retired from the Army with 21 years of service and had joined the VFW Honor Guard in my home town. Thank God this came along or my friends and I would have been breaking the law! WTFO!
I Am a former Marine Corps MEU ( SOC) and Force Recon Marine and Army Ranger. I Am not ashamed of My Service to GOD and Country as a Warrior and I rate to salute the United States Flag as a Honorably Discharged Veteran.🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🤘💪
I was a Marine grunt in RVN (65-66) G-2/7 & A-1/4. Came back to the States and went to college. Went back to RVN as a DUSTOFF aviator (70-71). The guys that I had the most use for were the cooks, mail clerks, payroll clerks, medics and aircraft mechanics. Not a lot of glory for these guys, but we couldn't have functioned without them.
Thank you to all the Veterans for honoring our Flag and Anthem, I’m not a Veteran but I do Place my hand on my heart for the Pledge of Allegiance and the Anthem as every American should
I didn't know that there was a law. I always thought once you've honorably served you have the right to salute. Just like me and my family have been doing for at least 4 generations.
We don't wear covers when anchoring a television newscast indoors. Also, a cover makes it hard to light since it casts shadows and it is also intimidating for the audience since we want their attention and not drive them away.
whether I am in a wheel chair, [an all too familiar occurence nowadays] or standing or walking, when the Flag is proceeding along in an official function [as in a parade], or is being risen or pulled down for the night. I always stop in my steps, remove what ever kind of a hat [veteran ball hat, a range hat, whatever] hold it in my right hand, and hold that hand over my heart.' I've been doing it this way ever since I got out 41 years ago, so I don't know if I am , all of a sudden like, going to change my habit. although for those who want to salute, I am happy that they can do so now without any grief from anyone 'official'. that is a good thing right there.
Ooh Rah. As a Marine who served decades ago, it is good to know our Corps is still tended by true warriors. Keep watch, brothers (and sisters) and Semper Fi!
It's about time that this law has been fully emphasized. I'm a retiree and I salute to the flag and our National Anthem no matter what other say. God bless to all who served.
I have always saluted the Flag and during the playing of the National Anthem. I also salute any veteran I recognize as such. They earned and I earned that right as far as I'm concerned. If anyone doesn't like it let 'um join up and serve their time.
I've been doing this for years, not caring what anyone thought about it, nor if there was a law about it. I salute at parades, when I hear To The Colors played or when I see the flag being lowered, and whenever I hear The Star Spangled Banner. I'm a 79 year old Marine, and a few years ago I attended the Sunset Parade at HQ, USMC, and proudly came to Attention and rendered a hand salute at the playing of the National Anthem by the Marine Corps band.
Unbelievable what the Govt thinks it can control! YOU don’t GIVE us permission to salute, WE give YOU permission to have government JOB!! YOU WORK FOR US!!!!
Kneeling is free speech but a hand Salute is what??? Illegal??? I know this is old but I’ll salute any stink in’ way I want. I did donn the uniform. Who’s gonna stop me?
I'm a Veteran, but most of all, I am an American! Those two facts allow me to salute anytime, anywhere I damn well please. To those who feel differently, I have a VERY special salute for you!
We always could legally render a hand salute whenever the fuck we want. Congress has no authority to forbid that, as it is an act of protected speech under the 1st Amendment.
+Aaron Mobley I agree: if it's legal for misguided civilians and hippies to burn U.S. flags in "protest" and "free speech", then anyone should be able to render a military style hand salute to a rising, lowering, or passing flag.
One can never honor our country, or veterans, enough. Especially after our collective disrespect paid to Vietnam veterans. Veteran- USMC 1969-73. Don’t get riled up, but this kind of thing is important to us. If I could believe anything anybody wrote on the internet, I’d ask what branch of service you were in, but sadly, I couldn’t trust your answer. Even if you were telling the truth. Sad thing about the internet, actually.
Retired in '99 and if covered I saluted at all of my kids (and grandkids) sporting events. My grandson was the Series Honor Grad at MCRD where we sat in the CG's box and yes, I saluted as the colors passed. Never gave any thought to whether it was legal or not. Fortunately, I have a perpetual "bad intentions" face so I was never challenged. Semper Fi
ANYONE WHO HAS SERVED IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA'S MILITARY HAS THE GOD! GIVEN RIGHT TO SALUTE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! OR ANY OTHER REASON THAT NEEDS FOR A MILITARY SALUTE.
I retired in '88 and ever since it has never felt "right" to place my hand over my heart or simply stand at attention for the National Anthem so, law or not, I always render a proper salute for the Flag.
Actually it wasn't illegal but it was considered wrong due to tradition. This just puts into law the evolution of how veterans have been showing respect already. In essence this wasn't necessary.
Technically it was never against the rules for veterans, who are private citizens no longer under military jurisdiction. They have the full 1st Amendment protection to salute, snore, or scratch themselves in public during the National Anthem. But it was against the rules for active-duty servicemen who were not in uniform. And they were subject to military discipline for breaking the rule.
hmmm tradition was wrong. see the following made law in 1931 note section b part 1b (a)Designation.- The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem. (b)Conduct During Playing.-During a rendition of the national anthem- (1) when the flag is displayed- (A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; (B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and (C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and (2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
FINALLY, someone explains the TRUTH, thank you! I believe that the reason an ACTIVE DUTY MIL Member was not allowed to salute, was to be discreet as to whom was MIL and WHOM was not, during war time. It makes sense. Off duty soldiers would be killed on the spot in WW2 if found on liberty by a simple sign like saluting.
Since when did Congress have to waste taxpayer money and time declaring this a new law. Since when was it against the law... I'm retired Navy I have always rendered a salute. So you're trying to tell me that I was breaking the law at the time. I called BS nobody is going to tell me I cannot salute.
So you need a law to tell you you're allowed to salute? What happened to "land of the free"? Surely you can do whatever the hell you see fit to respect it?
timnray99 What about for a foreigner who's visiting the US and goes to a game? I was in the US and caught a baseball game where they sung the national anthem...wasn't sure what to do with myself since everyone else had their hand on their heart or saluted. I just stood there and sung. How do you be respectful in that context?
Connelly90 Civilians, and foreign citizens are not bound by the same regulations as members so of the military. If you haven't served, you don't understand. Anyone can perform the motion of rendering a salute. The meaning is different if it's done by a member if the military. We are trained when and how to do it as well as when not to do it. So, yes, based on your original comment there does need t be a law.
crotchrocket00 um no this law has existed literally since the country was founded. this is just standard tradition. it is the same in nearly every english-speaking country. PS a civilian can do whatever they want. this law is only binding on soldiers/veterans... and it is never enforced, except with administrative punishment for active duty soldiers MAYBE. this isn't a form of tyranny, it's always been intended as a signal of respect. it's not so much "law" as it is decorum.
Connelly90 For a foreigner I would say they should just stand quietly until the song or other honors are completed. As a Marine I've been to other countries and have stood quietly for their services and would hope that others would show the same respect for ours.
I am a retired Army SSG. I will always salute the American flag and render honor to veterans at their funeral. I don't need a law to tell me when I can salute and render honor. I served my country and earned the right to salute the flag. HOOAH.
I actually think that's a nice idea. Now that I'm in the civilian world, if I'm out and about I still instantly stop and face the direction of the national anthem being played at major events. During our last veterans event, there were about 300 veterans all old af and this one old guy in a wheel chair still manages to stand despite the intense pain and the guy still saluted the flag. There's a lot of love from we veterans and laws like this are kind of good things.
I was not aware of this. As a Navy vet, I have always respected the rules and regulations. It was my understanding that a sailor never salutes out of uniform, or uncovered. I have honored that. To say "I don't give a shit, and will do whatever I want, just shows disrespect to time honored rules an regulations. I am glad to have seen this, and will now be honored to salute when I fell it's appropriate. Thank you
Point of contention, for those diggin' through these comments for education and exception: ground crew working a flight line routinely render hand salutes to departing aircraft. In the USN, aircraft carrier deck crew always wear PPE (personal protective equipment: helmets, goggles, etc.) and salute while wearing a cover, whereas USAF (and other) flight-line personnel frequently wear comms headsets and salute without a cover, unless there is inclement weather. On any flight line, a loose item presents FOD (foreign object debris or damage) hazards for engine intakes. Sometimes, carrier deck real estate gets swept clean by winds or waves. The more vast expanse of an airfield allows for someone's cover to blow around without getting "swept off the deck". Thus, FOD walks are necessary precautions carried out by personnel regardless of rank, in any branch of our armed forces. Conclusion: Safety FIRST, Respect ALWAYS.
No politician tells me if I can or can't salute my flag, my national anthem, my pledge of allegiance, or my brothers and sisters at arms. It's the politician who I will not salute.
Amen
As a vet, I'll salute even if it breaks the law. I don't need permission from the government. Neither does any natural born citizen of this country.
As a vet, you take pride in your service, but do you not respect the rules which governed your service? It's all part of the same thing. I always followed the rules about not saluting, but in my heart I was. Now that this rule has been relaxed, I will be able to salute in good conscience. I like the new law, don't you?
Gerald Wescott "Respect" the rules? Not all of them I don't. I did follow the rules though. Now that I'm out though, those rules no longer govern me. I obey all Constitutional laws and the laws of my state. The fed has gone full blown traitor as far as I'm concerned though, and half the "laws" they have in place are illegal as per our Constitution and Bill of Rights. I've never considered an EO a law, because it bypasses Congress, which is the way it's supposed to go.
nice name .after the great john wayne
I am a warrior. Battle-tested. I always salute in declaration with dedication .
Freedom : Provider ⬜ Consumer ⬜ Threat ⬜ (which are you ?)
Hail to all my fore-fathers, pagan brothers & patron of Tyr. General Patton ! You will always be missed ! And hope our future leaders follows the spirit !
You God Dam Right U.S.M.C Retired ..
Chesty saw an enlisted man repeatedly saluting an officer. The officer told Chesty the Marine had failed to salute him so he was having the Marine do 100 salutes. Chesty told the officer, "You will return each salute." G-d bless you Chesty where ever you are.
My father would get all misty eyed when he talked about Chesty.
Chesty is serving from "the streets of heaven".
So I kinda knew that story.
A perfect example of leadership in action...Semper Fi, Chesty!!
Pardon me, lads. Who is Chesty?
@@sergeantskrtskrt9594 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesty_Puller
@@sergeantskrtskrt9594 Chesty Puller.
Earned his reputation on Guadalcanal.
The greatest leader the US Marines ever had.
As a retired Marine, First Sergeant, I have always saluted.
I sure don't need anybody's permission to do so.
Semper Fi
Get Some First Sergeant. 0331 USMC
The other day, I bumped into a retired Sergeant Major (USMC), and after a short chat, as we departed and went our separate ways, we both came to attention and saluted.
MM1, USN (Ret)
Uncovered? At My Brother's Funeral Who was a Marine I was Uncovered, I returned Every Salute in turn hand over Heart.I am Sure The Funeral Detail caught a laugh and so did I,But Such is our Tradition .
I was uncovered and saluted appropriately
@@renegade2556 In the Air Force we never considered being uncovered had anything to do with saluting.
After serving in two wars I have no interest in whether or not I can legally salute. I DO have a special, one finger salute to all of my government officials who've never donned a uniform yet feel compelled to inform us on how we should conduct our customs and courtesies.
I agree 100%!
Thanks.......
Amen. Agreed.
Once a Marine, Always a Marine.
Especially the draft dodging one with " bone spurs".
For the record, we [veterans] didn't need a law giving us permission. We've earned the right to render a warrior's salute to the National Colors, and would continue to do so even if a law was passed specifically forbidding us to. This is one of those things where sweat and blood counts for more than ink on a page.
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Got that right brother......... 🇺🇸👍
@@christheisgen2979 But it's the same level of respect. SSDD and all that.
@@christheisgen2979 Well, CT, I'm Army myself and I have PTSD like you. You're right about noticing the 'little things', but oftentimes the little things depend on the service you're in and the trainers you had.
For example:
- Soldiers don't salute without a cover outdoors either, but we salute indoors -- different from the Navy.
- I was always taught to put the bottom lace on boot on the upside in case we had to cut our way out of them.
I did my 'long walk in the woods' in the Reagan era, so I cannot and will not speak to the experiences of those after my time. We never saluted or showed any kind of undue deference to officers in the field [nods, everybody standing up when they came 'round, whatever]. A simple 'yes, sir' was sufficient. But I spent most of my service time either in Germany or CONUS and saluting the colors was something the Army was focusing on. Leadership was VERY sticky about standing to during Reveille and Retreat and most of the time the color party was wearing helmets and web gear [the PASGT vests were just being issued].
So saluting the National Colors is a thing with me.
Clearly your service time was different, so your personal customs will be different.
But there's still a lot of stuff we notice...
Like driving down the road and wondering why those Colors are at half mast. Or wondering why one of those three guys walking is out of step.
@@christheisgen2979 I can see that.
I have an issue with a couple of Central American accents... they don't sound all that different to Caucasian ears, but they're like a bell in mine. I hear it, turn around and see a Hispanic with a certain Maya /Inca cast to their features and the hackles come up. I'm fine with Mexicans or Argentinians, but if they've got that certain look... It's nothing personal, I just can't help it.
It never remotely occurred to me that it would be illegal for me as a United States military veteran with three honorable discharges to render a salute during appropriate times. I always just sort of figured I earned that right. My oldest brother who was also a US military veteran passed away in 2017 and the official presiding over the funeral , a USMC Captain, addressed all present and instructed all military veterans in attendance to salute during the playing of taps . I certainly rendered my dear brother a very sharp and respectful final salute as did my Father , a retired military veteran.
I THANK! YOUR BROTHER! FOR HIS VALOR! HIS SERVICE! HIS COMMITMENT! PROTECTING US AND OUR COUNTRY! THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!. AMEN
because it wasn't illegal. it was also not "Codified" understand the same 1st Amendment that protects the right of one to kneel during the playing of the Anthem also grants the rendering of a hand salute. being codified just gives additional legal standing.
As a veteran, I render my salute for the flag and the National Anthem for those who are not here to render a salute themselves. Someday someone will be doing the same for me.
As I Rendered a Salute To My Father When he Died , I know nothing of Illegal salutes?! Only Marine Corps Tradition.
I don't think it was ever actually illegal. It was illegal for service members out of uniform on a military base possibly, but not any more of an offence than having a pocket button undone. Once you have your discharge, the UCMJ no longer applies.
The problem is that the topics of Honor and Respect are being addressed by Politicians who, by definition, have none.
politicians deserve the one finger salute. and hey have a lot of "negative" honor.. or dis honor. These days any politician in any position of power has dirt on them so they can be controlled. Without this dirt/control, they are not allowed to rise to any position of import. This explains their dishonorable behavior and betrayal of the american people while in office. the coup, the hijack is complete.
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Amen brother
YES! Well done!
Buddy did you just say a mouthful. Bravo.
I went to the military funeral of a friend’s father who was a WW2 Marine. At one point during the outdoor grave site service all veterans were asked to render a salute during the playing of taps There were about four of us vets there and we proudly rendered a salute.
I do as well.....however, as a US Navy Veteran I follow tradition and only salute when covered, which precludes indoor saluting.
@@jimsteele9975 That is something I was firmly taught was the right thing to do. Truthfully, the only time I saw an out of uniform salute was on the street while a funeral cortege went by.
As a MARINE I WILL SALUTE the FLAG with or without law backing me. I did my time that's more than most of these politicians did.......SEMPER FI MARINES!!!!!!!
mssolutions001 0311 Rock on!
I agree Marine ,Semper Fi Marine
I myself will salute as I was an Airborne Soldier.
You get what you give. Show no respect and receive none. Possibly because you haven't earned it. HMC USN (FMF) Ret.
jeffrey lee, aww. It's nothing new sweetheart. But now we understand why you did not enlist in the Corps.
GohModley, golly that's a good one. Did you come up with that all by yourself?
Most likely trans because he cries like a girl....
I'm a 83 year old former staff sergeant Army Paratrooper .
If you don't like the way I salute come and get me.
I'll stand beside you. Army Medic here.
So will I! Veteran Navy Engineer here.
Hell yes! I'm a 56 year old Army Paratrooper with 31 years of service right here with you sir!
I'm 69 years old with four years active duty in the Marines and another eight years as a reservist in the National Guard. I would be both happy and proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with you when the time comes. Maybe we can prove to them the old adage; Never challenge the old. They didn't live so long by being either weak or stupid, and they have learned many dirty tricks the young have never even considered.
@@billd.4701 A medic could be of great service. You can care for the injured morons who tried to tell us old vets we couldn't render the salute we earned the right to give. Let's face it, we old farts know a lot of dirty tricks the young studs never even considered.
Like i ever paid attention to that law. I served, im not their servant. Politicians should have to Salute We the People. JMHO
Politicians should have to drop to their knees and BLOW ME!
id render a salute even if it weren't a law or were deemed illegal. I'm a former infantry soldier of the US Army, I'll salute when I damn please, I don't need a law to do so.
+John Drohan Get cancer
T Schott I bet you consider yourself a patriot too.
T Schott - Agree completely. I dont need anyones permission to salute. Like you're going to "allow" me to salute? I fought for the right to do what I want, so you can take your permission and shove it...
You say that like it's a bad thing to be a Patriot.
Howard Fortyfive No I'm saying it's kind of stupid to act like you're a patriot when you don't respect our countries laws or UCMJ. Being an infantryman doesn't entitle you to break the law. That's the same sort of tyrannical thinking that our founding fathers were against. We're all equal in the eyes of the law
I'm not military but I will always stand for the anthem and place my hand over my heart. My thanks to all veteran's be who served!
Thank you for allowing me to serve.
What George said!
Cheers,
Lt Col Jet
@Gwen Green, I'm a Vet, and if you are a Tax Paying Citizen, then you are free to Salute if you want. It's Your Flag too, not just us Vet flag.
Yes, that is what civilians have been told to do, under The Flag Code, for decades. We did in grade school, in 1940s, and have continued to do it for many years. The announcement, by the president was simply letting veterans know they had the right and were requested to render the hand salute. Having been in many parades, as a participant, and as a viewer on the side of the road, that is what we always saw. I have delivered the information to many veterans groups, and Scout groups, to encourage their use of the hand salute,and most of the adults simply had no idea it had changed. The Scout Hand Salute has always been used by those groups, as well as the Girl Scouts. Those units actually have a federal charter, and the reason they have always done the hand salute.
And we thank you as well for your support. It means way more to us than most people think. You are the caliber of citizenship active duty, reserves, and vets will always fight and die for. Thank you again.
Always do as a Vet, didn't care if they liked it, my oath hasn't expired! Semper Fi!
That's how I always did it.
God bless the Corp! From an AF vet.
@@runwayray - God bless ALL our active military and our veterans. Although we serve/served wearing different uniforms, we’re still brothers and sisters.
OOHRAH
I agree Patrick. So far as I'm concerned, your oath dies when you are 6 ft under. I was in the Air Force but I still take my oath very seriously.
As a former US Army Medic I will stand in constant salute and will not lower my hand until we are all called home! Amen! Let those around you see what REAL respect for our country is.
Marine Corps here, and I stand firm with you, brother!
I don't give a shit what the law states, I always salute the flag. Now a private citizen it is my right to do so.
Hell yeah Brother. I retired four years ago. I been saluting the Flag for 22 years. I’m not about to stop now
And at Taps when they fold the flag. A Navy Honor guard requested "All Veterans please render a hand salute" I thought it added a touch of class to the funeral!
If it was at a funeral the veterans will most likely be in uniform
unless after about 30 years they're too fat to get in a uniform. when i retired from the Navy, i weighed 140lbs. now at 160 i couldnt get my crackerjacks past my man-boobs or over my butt. :D
Xavier Hall i wasnt in uniform for my grandfathers funeral. But they still ask you to render a hand salute
I'm a old school Marine from the 70's, I've always saluted. Semper Fi
I never know that you couldn’t, then again no one ever arrested me for if because my fellow South Dakotans always show respect for our glorious flag and those who defended her.
I saluted my friends coffin at his burial. National Guard retiree--I don't think civvies understood the gesture. Not that i care. Semper Fi
The vets salute the playing of taps and the anthemn at the annual Memorial Day mast ceremony. Respect is earned, respect is paid.
Right On Bro.
I never felt I needed a "law" to permit me to salute.
I've always saluted the flag as a veteran. law or no law
Me, too.
That's bullshit, but I spent over five years there.
My husband does too. Law or no law. He keep saying that if snowflakes don't like it, they can kiss his anal cheeks.
Active duty, retired, in uniform or full cvlian dress I ALAYS render a sharp.military salute heoooaaaahhhh
Isn't this ridiculous. We need a law for this?
Well, just look up who "sponsored the bill" and you can probably figure out which group they were trying to snooker into thinking they even give a damn about the military or our country. Except for the military veterans serving in the House and Senate, I don't think any of the others think we're anything but "suckers" for serving our country.
actually , no , we do not. we have a 1st Amendment.
I did not need a law to let me salute. I earned the right in Viet Nam and Have always saluted the Flag.
Yes you did, and God Bless you for that my Friend!
It’s Vietnam not Viet Nam.
@@bensimmons6149 Asshole, he was there and he can spell or pronounce it any way he damn well pleases!
I'm a veteran too and I don't need a law for permission. I earned the right to salute my flag.
I am former Air Force(88' to 94"). There is no one who can stop me from saluting our flag at anytime. As a civilian now I do put my hand over my heart during the National Anthem, but if i am wearing my cover , I salute.
You point out a curious anomaly. It is considered proper for a person in civilian cloths to remove his hat when hearing the Anthem or observing the flag passing in parade. But if we veterans are going to salute, there is a catch 22 with that as it is certainly not the done thing to take of your cover for that. Me, I've never saluted in public since I got out as that practice has only been for people in uniform....except for the commander in Chief and even that is not 'written'.
Just as aside, by the belligerent comments from my fellow 'Brothers in Arms', is it any wonder that some folks say we should not be hired to 'Protect and Serve'? It appears we've collectively more the mind set to kick somebody's ass for breathing -Veteran '66-68
I always salute my family and friends buried at the local National Cemetery.
I didn't need another feckin law , to render a salute!....I earned the Right to do that , long ago.
The salute is widely misunderstood outside the military. Some consider it to be a gesture of servility since the junior extends a salute to the senior, but we know that it is quite the opposite. The salute is an expression that recognizes each other as a member of the profession of arms; that they have made a personal commitment of self-sacrifice to preserve our way of life. The fact that the junior extends the greeting first is merely a point of etiquette-a salute extended or returned makes the same statement.
For that reason, I'm glad they passed the law. I always felt like saluting, but not being in the chain of command anymore, I thought it wasn't correct to do so. Now it is. Good.
Veteran my self i also will salute when i feel it's the right thing to do
As a 22 year paratrooper vet, . I don't need congress's or the president's permission to salute the flag I buried my brothers under.
agreed.
its a free country, a veteran can salute if they want to and if anybody says otherwise then that is a huge disrespect of the veterans service defending peoples rights
A veteran salutes what he respects and honors, his country, the constitution, and those fellow vets who stood for America, certainly not the politicians of today! Those who have served earned the right to make that decision for themselves, not some political self-serving twit.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A BITCH VETERAN TO BE AN AMERICAN.
@@jimherman859 Any one can salute anything they want. They don't need permission from some politician to "be allowed to" - And to think of the morons who thought; "oh thank you mr. politician for allowing me to give a salute while during the playing of the national anthem... oh thank you, thank you"
As a Navy Hospital Corpsman with the 3rd Marine Division in Vietnam, I believe no Veteran needs permission from politicians to salute the flag. It and the oath we took to defend the Constitution never expire until we do!
Thank you for being a Corpsman and taking care of us in the field in Vietnam. I have great respect for Corpsman!
I was unaware that it was illegal for veterans to salute the flag. I hope they make this retroactive and release all the veterans that are locked up because they broke this law.
Exactly, how ridiculous. It wasn’t illegal lol
I was a grunt, 101st airborne in Vietnam, the widowmakers. I respect anyone that served or serves. it took 10 people in the rear area to support one of us "grunts". I too feel awkward when someone thanks me for my service, I was just doing my job and keeping my friends alive. I want to thank you for your service, because of people like you, serving, in any branch of the service, I made it home alive. Thank you.
I'm a US Marine, once was,still am and always will be! took an oath, meant it then , still mean it now. it's my flag too! if I want to render a hand salute out of respect for what it means, what it means to me, I'll do it, and consider it a privilage and an honor. and there is NO earthly man that's going to tell me I can't! Semper Fi !
Semper Fi....Fellow Veterans!!
If I see a veteran I will salute them, they earned it and gave me my freedom.
As a 30 year, retired Navy man. I Salute All who wear, or have worn the Uniform in any branch. Keeping America, the America we all recognize...is NOW our job. More than ever before. Don't allow Any Politician to Destroy What WE, who Obeyed our Oath, gave our lives to protect. HAND SALUTE.
Oath Keepers
Good to know . Not being a veteran I guess it's still hand over my heart. Which I do every time. God bless America. God bless the military.
I reserve my right to salute any damn time I want to.
Thanks, this has been a stick of saluting while at the American Legion
As an Army Veteran, I didn't need his fucking permission.
This video was uploaded on November 8th, 2008. The law was put in place because some people claimed that it was formerly incorrect to salute when not in uniform. So in this instance, your lawmakers are on your side and were just trying to shut up those people who tried to prevent Veterans from saluting.
@ remowil55 - I earned the right to salute the flag and salute when the flag passes or the National Anthem or Taps is played and Ive done it ever since I got out of the Army in '69, as my tour in Vietnam gave me a whole new perspective.
Warren Wright Thank you for serving. And service members should salute the flag whenever they want.
As a Vietnam Veteran, I’ll salute any goddamn time I want to because I earned that right and bled for that flag; she’s mine!
I'm retired coast guard. I bumped into a Vietnam vet at the store awhile back. Saw his rank on his cover, and snapped him a salute. His expression has stayed with me since then. A salute shows respect to current and former service members. I don't need a law telling me where and when i can do it.
I was glad to hear this. This nation gave me...and my family...so many opportunities that we wouldn't have had in Europe that a salute is the *least* I can do to show my gratitude.
I had a relatively short tour of duty in the USMC, but as an honorably discharged Vet, I will also salute with pride and honor. Semper Fi!
As I understand the law that was reported, a veteran "can render a hand salute," making that an option to be used at one's discretion. The order does NOT state that a hand salute as a mandatory function. Marines like myself who prefer to stick to the tradition of standing at attention and facing the flag or the direction the music is coming from in lieu of a visible flag should act accordingly. Those who prefer to render a hand salute, do as your conscience dictates. One is no more patriotic than the other. In either case, respect is the order of the day when it comes to honoring veterans and our Nation's flag.
Semper Fi, continue to march.
+Donald Chalfy Concur...The hand salute is a gesture of greeting between Warriors. ETS or retirement should not end ones membership in the Warrior class.
It's amazing the guff I've had thrown at me over what I said about the salute. All of it coming from people who know nothing about Marine traditions. Never served a day in the Corps even had the nerve to say I'm a stolen valor phony. I invited him to my home to say that to my face, and when he wakes up I'll show him my DD-214 along with my combat record and decorations and even let him flip through my Graduation book from 1966 at Paris Island. His biggest bitch was I wouldn't give him my primary MOS as if that has anything to do with it the tradition of the salute in the Marine Corps which he knew nothing about. And I'm still not gonna mention what it was. After being in 10 years I was all over the map. From PI to Geiger to California on to Okinawa to RVN to Lejune to Portsmouth Navel Shipyard USNDC back to Lejune to Cherry Point on to Camp Smith Hawaii and on to New River Air Station where I was honorably Discharged in 1975. And if the fool is reading this notice my MOS means nothing about tradition and I still won't list it. We are all basic rifle men. Every one of us are 03's every mechanic, every cook, every engineer and shit bird who ever served in the Marines is exactly that above every other thing they may be. But I also had wings with a parachute on my chest that we wore on all our uniforms. So you know what I did and the price I had to pay to earn them. Ooh-Rah Recon.
Yo, Avery, you were stationed at Camp Smith? When? I was stationed there from Dec 65 through Dec 67.
hey Avery I was down Camp Geiger Montford point and camp Lejeune in 77 and 78. an ole navy corpman here....did my A school up in great lakes....talk about an armpit on the east coast but hey it was home for a couple of years......semper fi
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Army 74-77. I have always rendered a salute during the national anthem. I never knew it was illegal. I did it because I earned the right as a Vet.
I was raised to believe I could do whatever I damn well pleased and didn't need the goober- mint to give me permission.
I remember when they did this. I was doing it anyway and had been corrected several times by older soldiers who saw me doing it in public. This was a glorious moment for young private me. Like many have said, we earned the right, but to have it codified as a law felt liberating and empowering.
A friend of mine always says, "Thank you for thanking me."
Being a 44+ year Army Vet, I salute all military funerals and the flag as it passes by in parades and etc.. It's called Respect and Honor!
You mean it wasn't legal before? But we didn't know it was illegal and we did it anyway. What were they going to do, arrest us for saluting?
Anybody can salute any damned thing they want.
I'm an honorably discharged veteran of 3 branches (USN, USCG and ARNG), my fellow veterans and I certainly don't need "permission" from the federal government or any politicians (least of all any politician who never served) "giving" me a right to salute the flag of the country we defended.
When people think that the government "gives" them their rights, beware because that same thinking will allow the govt to take them away.
I am astonished that a law even exists concerning this. By 2009 I was retired from the Army with 21 years of service and had joined the VFW Honor Guard in my home town. Thank God this came along or my friends and I would have been breaking the law! WTFO!
You always were allowed, required, in uniform. Even as a veteran part of a Honor Gaurd
Prior to this they could legally KMA as I rendered an honor I earned and refuse to surrender.
I Am a former Marine Corps MEU ( SOC) and Force Recon Marine and Army Ranger. I Am not ashamed of My Service to GOD and Country as a Warrior and I rate to salute the United States Flag as a Honorably Discharged Veteran.🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🤘💪
I was a Marine grunt in RVN (65-66) G-2/7 & A-1/4. Came back to the States and went to college. Went back to RVN as a DUSTOFF aviator (70-71). The guys that I had the most use for were the cooks, mail clerks, payroll clerks, medics and aircraft mechanics. Not a lot of glory for these guys, but we couldn't have functioned without them.
As a Veteran I always stand and render a salute. Airborne!
Like we need a law to allow us to do something that we were already free to do.
Thank you to all the Veterans for honoring our Flag and Anthem, I’m not a Veteran but I do Place my hand on my heart for the Pledge of Allegiance and the Anthem as every American should
And just what was the penalty before we obtained this kind, generous permission to salute?
Once a soldier ALWAYS a soldier! Whip it out whenever, wherever! We don’t need a law to tell us that!
I didn't know that there was a law. I always thought once you've honorably served you have the right to salute. Just like me and my family have been doing for at least 4 generations.
I guess they never heard of the 1A, which is a part of the very Constitution that we all swore to protect and defend.
once a Marine always a Marine but if I don't have a cover on, has that changed??
Salute my friend
We don't wear covers when anchoring a television newscast indoors. Also, a cover makes it hard to light since it casts shadows and it is also intimidating for the audience since we want their attention and not drive them away.
MOH Hunt was referring to himself not wearing a cover.
whether I am in a wheel chair, [an all too familiar occurence nowadays] or standing or walking, when the Flag is proceeding along in an official function [as in a parade], or is being risen or pulled down for the night. I always stop in my steps, remove what ever kind of a hat [veteran ball hat, a range hat, whatever] hold it in my right hand, and hold that hand over my heart.' I've been doing it this way ever since I got out 41 years ago, so I don't know if I am , all of a sudden like, going to change my habit.
although for those who want to salute, I am happy that they can do so now without any grief from anyone 'official'. that is a good thing right there.
MOH Hunt apparently so.
Ooh Rah. As a Marine who served decades ago, it is good to know our Corps is still tended by true warriors. Keep watch, brothers (and sisters) and Semper Fi!
The vets have EARNED the right to salute!!
It's about time that this law has been fully emphasized. I'm a retiree and I salute to the flag and our National Anthem no matter what other say. God bless to all who served.
I have always saluted the Flag and during the playing of the National Anthem. I also salute any veteran I recognize as such. They earned and I earned that right as far as I'm concerned. If anyone doesn't like it let 'um join up and serve their time.
As a Navy retiree I didn't know this. Thanks for posting.
WOW! Someone that did not know something. That is amazing! :-p
I've been doing this for years, not caring what anyone thought about it, nor if there was a law about it. I salute at parades, when I hear To The Colors played or when I see the flag being lowered, and whenever I hear The Star Spangled Banner. I'm a 79 year old Marine, and a few years ago I attended the Sunset Parade at HQ, USMC, and proudly came to Attention and rendered a hand salute at the playing of the National Anthem by the Marine Corps band.
I'm enlisted into the U.S.Army on July 13th 2017. I shall salute my flag and my national anthem whenever I so please
Unbelievable what the Govt thinks it can control! YOU don’t GIVE us permission to salute, WE give YOU permission to have government JOB!! YOU WORK FOR US!!!!
Kneeling is free speech but a hand Salute is what??? Illegal???
I know this is old but I’ll salute any stink in’ way I want.
I did donn the uniform.
Who’s gonna stop me?
I'm a Veteran, but most of all, I am an American! Those two facts allow me to salute anytime, anywhere I damn well please. To those who feel differently, I have a VERY special salute for you!
I’ve been saluting since I got out 16 years ago, glad this came up in my feed UA-cam 🥴
We always could legally render a hand salute whenever the fuck we want. Congress has no authority to forbid that, as it is an act of protected speech under the 1st Amendment.
+Aaron Mobley I agree: if it's legal for misguided civilians and hippies to burn U.S. flags in "protest" and "free speech", then anyone should be able to render a military style hand salute to a rising, lowering, or passing flag.
It was never illegal for a civilian to salute, it just wasn't specifically "proper procedure." Now it is
One can only hope veterans will render a proper salute, elbow, forearm, fingers, all straight…this way we can tell those “stolen valor” types apart.
while i might not have been able to serve, i'd salute all the same, that O.K.?
lol! dead giveaway
@@Sam-Jones I suppose it is now, but it does seem odd, I am a vet and I do not salute that way, only a hand over my heart.
They really made laws about this shit? Which would imply that if a civilian were to salute they would face a legal penalty? Wtf?
One can never honor our country, or veterans, enough. Especially after our collective disrespect paid to Vietnam veterans. Veteran- USMC 1969-73.
Don’t get riled up, but this kind of thing is important to us. If I could believe anything anybody wrote on the internet, I’d ask what branch of service you were in, but sadly, I couldn’t trust your answer. Even if you were telling the truth. Sad thing about the internet, actually.
Retired in '99 and if covered I saluted at all of my kids (and grandkids) sporting events. My grandson was the Series Honor Grad at MCRD where we sat in the CG's box and yes, I saluted as the colors passed. Never gave any thought to whether it was legal or not. Fortunately, I have a perpetual "bad intentions" face so I was never challenged.
Semper Fi
ANYONE WHO HAS SERVED IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA'S MILITARY HAS THE GOD! GIVEN RIGHT TO SALUTE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! OR ANY OTHER REASON THAT NEEDS FOR A MILITARY SALUTE.
I always saw WWII/Korea vets saluting during the playing.
If you are serving or have honorably served you salute the flag whenever you please. You've earned that right.
I retired in '88 and ever since it has never felt "right" to place my hand over my heart or simply stand at attention for the National Anthem so, law or not, I always render a proper salute for the Flag.
I served in Vietnam and in Iraq, and I will salute whenever I see fit to do so...I earned this right by being in harm's way twice.
I have always saluted the flag, either in or out of uniform, as well as now being a civilian.
My question is why was it illegal for them to do a military salute before this change in title 4?
Actually it wasn't illegal but it was considered wrong due to tradition.
This just puts into law the evolution of how veterans have been showing respect already.
In essence this wasn't necessary.
Technically it was never against the rules for veterans, who are private citizens no longer under military jurisdiction. They have the full 1st Amendment protection to salute, snore, or scratch themselves in public during the National Anthem.
But it was against the rules for active-duty servicemen who were not in uniform. And they were subject to military discipline for breaking the rule.
hmmm tradition was wrong. see the following made law in 1931 note section b part 1b
(a)Designation.-
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b)Conduct During Playing.-During a rendition of the national anthem-
(1) when the flag is displayed-
(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
Cornelis Vander Zeyden
Nuff said. Thanks for that Cornelis
FINALLY, someone explains the TRUTH, thank you! I believe that the reason an ACTIVE DUTY MIL Member was not allowed to salute, was to be discreet as to whom was MIL and WHOM was not, during war time. It makes sense. Off duty soldiers would be killed on the spot in WW2 if found on liberty by a simple sign like saluting.
As an Army veteran , when the National Anthem is played , you salute the flag . Enough said
Since when did Congress have to waste taxpayer money and time declaring this a new law. Since when was it against the law... I'm retired Navy I have always rendered a salute. So you're trying to tell me that I was breaking the law at the time. I called BS nobody is going to tell me I cannot salute.
So you need a law to tell you you're allowed to salute? What happened to "land of the free"? Surely you can do whatever the hell you see fit to respect it?
timnray99 What about for a foreigner who's visiting the US and goes to a game?
I was in the US and caught a baseball game where they sung the national anthem...wasn't sure what to do with myself since everyone else had their hand on their heart or saluted. I just stood there and sung.
How do you be respectful in that context?
Connelly90 Civilians, and foreign citizens are not bound by the same regulations as members so of the military. If you haven't served, you don't understand. Anyone can perform the motion of rendering a salute. The meaning is different if it's done by a member if the military. We are trained when and how to do it as well as when not to do it. So, yes, based on your original comment there does need t be a law.
crotchrocket00 um no this law has existed literally since the country was founded. this is just standard tradition. it is the same in nearly every english-speaking country. PS a civilian can do whatever they want. this law is only binding on soldiers/veterans... and it is never enforced, except with administrative punishment for active duty soldiers MAYBE. this isn't a form of tyranny, it's always been intended as a signal of respect. it's not so much "law" as it is decorum.
Not in the NEW PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC of AMERICA!!!!!
Connelly90 For a foreigner I would say they should just stand quietly until the song or other honors are completed. As a Marine I've been to other countries and have stood quietly for their services and would hope that others would show the same respect for ours.
As a Marine veteran I concur with my brothers and sisters here. I'll salute it for life. Semper fi.
Been doing it for years, law or no law, and will continue to do so!!
I’ve been doing it long before it was “legal”
I am a retired Army SSG. I will always salute the American flag and render honor to veterans at their funeral. I don't need a law to tell me when I can salute and render honor. I served my country and earned the right to salute the flag. HOOAH.
I actually think that's a nice idea.
Now that I'm in the civilian world, if I'm out and about I still instantly stop and face the direction of the national anthem being played at major events. During our last veterans event, there were about 300 veterans all old af and this one old guy in a wheel chair still manages to stand despite the intense pain and the guy still saluted the flag. There's a lot of love from we veterans and laws like this are kind of good things.
I was not aware of this. As a Navy vet, I have always respected the rules and regulations. It was my understanding that a sailor never salutes out of uniform, or uncovered. I have honored that. To say "I don't give a shit, and will do whatever I want, just shows disrespect to time honored rules an regulations. I am glad to have seen this, and will now be honored to salute when I fell it's appropriate. Thank you
Bravo, Lawrence! I’ll be proud to stand by your side as we salute together.
Point of contention, for those diggin' through these comments for education and exception: ground crew working a flight line routinely render hand salutes to departing aircraft. In the USN, aircraft carrier deck crew always wear PPE (personal protective equipment: helmets, goggles, etc.) and salute while wearing a cover, whereas USAF (and other) flight-line personnel frequently wear comms headsets and salute without a cover, unless there is inclement weather. On any flight line, a loose item presents FOD (foreign object debris or damage) hazards for engine intakes. Sometimes, carrier deck real estate gets swept clean by winds or waves. The more vast expanse of an airfield allows for someone's cover to blow around without getting "swept off the deck". Thus, FOD walks are necessary precautions carried out by personnel regardless of rank, in any branch of our armed forces. Conclusion: Safety FIRST, Respect ALWAYS.