When Two Guys Wouldn't Leave Us Alone At A Photoshoot...
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- It has been difficult dealing with encounters with outsiders when I am doing photoshoots. I usually ignore and don't engage people when they try to disrupt the shoot, but I just couldn't keep quiet this time. Just a little frustrated.
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There's a difference between casually looking and staring intensely to the point of making someone feel uncomfortable.
That's true
yes there is, those guys were rude. people like them, are why I don't do photoshoots in high traffic public areas.
Difference between looking and staring... er, which one is illegal out in a public venue?
@@lostinoc3528 Are you suggesting that because you have a camera, you "own" more of the public venue than someone who's curious and just wants to look? Or are you simply overly sensitive?
STARING IS NOT ILLEGAL!!
As a male photographer I would still have done the exact same, and would have felt just as uncomfortable having to men standing so close and watching my models or making comments as they did here; Its creepy and makes the model feel uncomfortable and self concious which no photographer wants for there models.
Ben O'Connell kinda weird how you say "my models" you mean "the models" but I know you probably didn't mean it that way
Kristen Gibson Not really weird at all. It's his models. He hired them. It's the right phraseology.
It's also something you say about people that you car about some, he doesn't want them to feel uncomfortable so he cares. My models is like saying my students or my girlfriend you wouldn't say the students or the girlfriend, would you? 😉
Jessica would say "my model" too, it's the right way to say it.
@@kristengibson6824 It's the same as saying "my employees". Nothing wrong with it.
Everyone saying “it’s a public space, they have the right to stand where they want to stand” well wtf, okay picture this. You’re just minding your business in a public park, and a stranger just stands right next to you, SUPER CLOSE, like REALLY CLOSE, but not to the point that they will touch you. They then continue staring at you even if you tell them to stop, wouldn’t YOU be uncomfortable?
Tiff 03_ yes but this situation is different
MadnessMobile Blatantly staring at people even after being asked to stop is gross. Stop trying to justify it.
@MadnessMobile No one in this thread even mentioned the law, so it seems like you're the one pretending here. But actually there's a probable case here for harassment. They were asked multiple times by the ladies to stop staring and move along. Because you could say the behavior was repeated (being asked to leave many times and continuing to stare), there is grounds for legal action. Assuming they spoke English, which many seem to be debating, they were knowingly making these ladies uncomfortable and "repeatedly" doing so by refusing to stop.
Yes! If someone is making you uncomfortable, you should speak up. Doesn't matter where you are.
Yes I’d be uncomfortable but at the same time they’re not technically doing anything wrong by standing where they’re standing. It’s probably different because I’m a man, so I’d be less worried for my safety and more annoyed. But it’s still not technically wrong. I’m not defending it, but I think this is one of those situations where the men were taking advantage of their right to be there in order to be creepy
I get the whole "it's a public setting they have the right" but they were standing SO close it's like if you were having a picnic at the beach and a stranger just randomly comes and sits with you?? being in public doesn't mean you don't have the right to personal space?
it's not culturally acceptable in the U.S. to invade personal space... Respect cultural norms people..... 0_o
rana hakeem Yah they were way to close. They could have observed there work from a beach chair or something.
Well they are within their rights to watch a photoshoot. If you're that uncomfortable with people watching then you shouldn't be doing them in public. Also I don't think they were standing that close.
Love how guys like you instantly put the problem on the person being made to feel uncomfortabkle--or being honest, if it's a woman who's made uncomfortable, an army of you shows up to do exactly this, so not 'person', but 'woman'--by someone else's actions. Get this: I can't make someone acting creepy not act creepy. I simply expect a human being to have enough common sense to know what 'boundaries' are. If they don't, I have all right to TELL them what they are and to respect that. If they do, good; if they don't, I didn't do a THING to make myself feel uncomfortable. It's totally on them.
If you feel it's anyone's right to infringe themselves on other people then blame those people for the feeling they created in them--simply because YOU think it's okay--then that's a pretty tiresome cul de sac you're running around in. You control the action, not the REaction. Funny how you tell US to "deal with it" when ffs... we already DO. You just don't like the reaction. Well, tough titties, my friend.
but he didn't actually do anything. He has a right to stand in a public space, she doesn't have a right to remove him. It's pretty simple really. Whether it was morally right of him to stand there isn't the most important thing. Also you just assume he has bad intentions. He might be foreign and not understand the situation.
Public or no, you dont interrupt people while they are WORKING. Do you stand around and gawk at and heckle a street crossing guard? A construction worker? A window washer? A paramedic? They needed to GTFO.
construsction sites are pretty cool to stare at tbh
@@itzelwind5813 That is exactly what I think, I love to watch people do their work, especially photoshoots because I am really interested in photography. And if I'm in a public space and just looking, there's nothing you can do about it.!
RightSaysTanja “there’s nothing you can do about it” what an entitled attitude. Someone is trying to work and you’re clearly interfering with their ability to do their job effectively. If you’re actually interested in photography you’d understand that this is how some people make a living. Be a little more self aware.
No the construction worker will hassle YOU if you're a female.
Please cite the ordinance or law they were breaching or violating? THEY WERE STANDING THERE QUIETLY, NOT BOTHERING OR SAYING ANYTHING. Insofar as your question about gawking... yes, as a photographer, I've done that many times in public, and have gotten some mighty great shots of the gawkers.
I literally saw the model's composure change because it made her uncomfortable and it made me sad. Those men needed to leave
really terrible for model, photographer should of fixed the situation by moving shoot location somewhere private.
LostinOC Woah woah, these men were jerks but you’re getting a bit extreme here
@@minted9534 actually i want to know if that 2 guys standing there was Brad Pit and D.Beckham, do u think they will react the same? will tell them to go away?
Eldoral Suli if they’re being creep or interfering with my work I will.
@@lostinoc3528 whoa chill, maybe them but I don't think all men are evil haha
A script for anyone else who has to experience this unfortunate situation: “Gentlemen we do ask that you move along, these ladies are not a spectacle and they are working. You understand.” And if they refuse to move: “If you choose to stay rooted to this spot that’s fine, this is public property so we will move our equipment. However if you choose to follow us it will be considered stalking behavior and we will be contacting the authorities.” :)
You don't even need to add the threat unless they don't comply, which most likely they will. Most people are cool if you approach them right.
@@dat2ra Which is why I specifically added “if they refuse to move” because this exact scenario could take place.
brits.
She's not saying it is illegal, just that it's creepy and effected her work.
It shouldn't be illegal in my opinion , I just think that it should be legal to slap them with no reprecussions
@@popando and then you get beat up by them
If it affected her work it's because she got distracted. She keeps saying she is a professional photographer, idk.
I TOTALLY understand what she's saying... but the other side of it is when you are shooting IN PUBLIC (You don't have a special permit and security) this kind of comes with the territory. People are going to look and some longer than others. If it's a beautiful female model, it's likely that some men are going to stop and stare. The best course of action is to approach the guys, explain that you notice that the model is not responding as before and ask them if they wouldn't mind moving further away. Your other options are screaming at them, beating them up, or paying for a permit and a policeman.
@@tech.gate.28 she was fine but the model wasn't
She was getting uncomfortable and not posing the same. Has nothing to do with Jessica
Jessica is trying so hard to justify telling this men to leave and she really shouldn’t have to do that they were in your teams personal space making people uncomfortable she had every right to tell them to leave
People are all different, and what is ok for one may seem wrong to another - are you really offended by seeing the sole of someone's shoe?
You ask someone to change their behaviour, but it is only a request; courtesy and politeness are different to different people.
In a public place, if you don't like something being done by someone else, it may be you who should move rather than getting upset.
she didn't have a right to tell them anything - you're confusing rights with entitlement
TheIronDuke no, she had the right to tell them to leave, but they also had the right to stay
@@dylanswrld coming back after they clearly got the message is grounds for a harassment lawsuit. she's paying for her model and her teams time and the 2 men knowing they're unwelcome and being SO CLOSE to her team and very clearly making the model uncomfortable- you people need to sotp justifying it. its creepy and its not okay, looking is fine staring is weird staring for so long? creepy. continuing to stare after being told to stop? harassment.
@@jennywithaglock3916 lmaooo staring at someone taking pictures in public is not harassment just because it makes you uncomfortable, theres literally a whole photoshoot going on its not like hes staring at some woman tanning on the beach. obviously i think he should have left when told because thats the right thing to do but at the end of the day its still legal for him to be there just like you are, maybe get a studio or shoot at sunrise when nobody is awake or go to a beach that no one is at...... common sense
That felt offensive even to watch. It's a form of harassment. It's so sad that it continues to happen. I'm glad you spoke up for your team.
Thank you
That Damn Honey HAHAHA it's not harassment I'm literally laughing with my friend at how ridiculous this is
Anison224 hahahaha so it's not okay for someone to look at another human being in PUBLIC but it's okay for you to call someone retarded?? You're dumb as shit
Madeline Bernhardt No one asked for your opinion, but thank you!
Sophia & Tala your dumb as shit for think this is not fucking harassment you bitch get over it know ones on your side stop trying to prove a point you can't make
She was in the right to feel uncomfortable. Honestly you have to be careful who you go off on but if she didn't say something, something could of happened. The thing is she felt threatened. And the fact that a bunch of dudes are going off about it tells me a lot. Like saying "rent a studio? Don't go outside" is a water downed version of "if you don't want to get cat called don't wear a skirt or dress 'slutty'" like I hate it. Check your misogyny boys, it ain't cute.
brii tizzle preach!!
brii tizzle
Thank you
brii tizzle literally wtf this is not harassment if the photographer had a problem she could have gone somewhere else. They were not in a private area they were on a PUBLIC beach
Madeline Bernhardt we are glad
Madeline Bernhardt none of this is even has to do with common sense
It’s uncomfortable when someone stares. Period.
ExActLy!
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Your profile goes so well with it😂😂
1000th like hehhehehehe
Your picture goes perfect
I feel uncomfortable and unsafe just by watching this.
Me too
Same!
I'm right there with you guys. Not even a minute into the footage of the photoshoot & my stomach started turning. I feel so terrible for the models, Jessica, and the rest of her crew. I don't know if it's just me, but their actions & body language feel predatory. Maybe that's just coming from my feelings during my experiences, but the fact they had to be asked to leave doesn't make me feel like they would've ever left & possibly even gained the courage to start harassing the models or the crew.
Same, but appreciate how she protested by uploading this video as a protest.
Right? I would be saying "let's leave; we'll do the shoot another day" at this point. I bet a lot of the people here who don't understand why this is creepy are men - because as a woman, to have MULTIPLE men standing practically on top of you, staring at you for over ten minutes, is genuinely scary. At that point, I'm wondering if they're planning to hurt me. I'm wondering if I need to call the police; checking to see where the closest people are; will they hear me if I scream? That's what would be going through my head.
You probably could have scared them off by pointing your camera at them and firing off some shots. That would have made them instantly self-conscious and probably too uncomfortable to stick around.
You've got a good sense of humour
Madeline Bernhardt get a brain and learn how to make sense before you start commenting shit to me:) thanks!!!!!!
Yeah right, and then they break your material
I've done it. With my phone too when I've noticed the creepy behaviors. It really works.
ive seen that cause problems
These the same guys who been sending dms to your girlfriends saying “you’re beautiful, I wanna talk to you”
You're right lmao, I get quite a few weird guys like that.
Ikr. Not only is it unsolicited, it's illogical. Like "how is me being beautiful a reason to talk to you?" Maybe bring something to the table (i.e. have an actual, mutually applicable reason to talk to me), or f off. Contrary to the minds of selfish entitled creeps, people in their right minds don't care what randos on the Internet think.
The guys who don't see anything wrong with this are the type of guys to send those dms themselves to girls online they know have partners. Hence why they're so keen on defending them.
@@destyniiskywalker Illogical? "How is me being beautiful a reason to talk to you?" You do realize that we have a whole culture based on a phone app in which, people base their willingness to engage with one another on how attractive their profile picture is? (Talking about Tinder)
@@anthonyknight5114 I think you need to reread the pronouns.
With all the human trafficking going on you have every right to get angry.
exactly what was going through my mind!
Knowing when to ignore gawkers that are silently standing by \is a mark of one's level of maturity and professionalism. WHAT law were those two fellows violating? Not the appropriate time to act like a spoiled little girl or a prima donna wannabe.
Calico D'Nikonian shut up dude you’ve commented this on almost every comment I’ve seen literally you seem like the kind of person that would justify someone getting harassed because of they way they dressed.
@@onyxaxe1145 You LIE!
@@onyxaxe1145 Just showing two sides of a story. IF you don't like it, don't read it. Wanna hear silence? YOU shut up.
We have a saying in Mexico that says "Don't go where you're not wanted or where you weren't invited"
Observing is natural I think but, creeping up like those dudes is weird. Unfortunately nowadays people don't respect anything or anyone.
Even though it's a public space. The girls were working trying to do their thing and we have to respect that.
Just because you see a group of women alone doesn't mean you can approach and be a creep.
"Creeping"? They were silent, hoping not to disturb. Ever consider that? They were standing RESPECTFULLY, not talking, not making noise, not interfering, nor obstructing. HOW about if a cop came and had started to ask asinine questions... "What are you doing?" "Why are you photographing?" and disrupting your train of thought?
I don't disagree with Jess; I merely pointed out a fact that everyone has "rights," too. But, in truth, since those were SUPPOSED gawkers, they could have been getting too close with other intentions... like snatching a camera... but, diplomacy is always the best option... even if you have a hired security guard present.
Calico D'Nikonian yeah having two strangers come up right next you and stare you down isn’t rude or uncomfortable at all lol. they were interfering because they clearly made the model uncomfortable. they thought “oh a pretty girl? i’m gonna walk right up and stare”
I get that people want to look, but use common sense. It was very inappropriate to stand that close, like they were included in what you were doing. Even though you were in public, that did not give them or anyone else the right to invade everyone's personal space. I'm glad you said something, it was painfully obvious that your model was uncomfortable.
I agree, would someone come stand up right on your personal space if you were just out and about? Probably not, so what makes it okay to do it in this circumstance.
TheNerdyMonkey iui
they weren't really standing that close... They were just watching.
you probably have the better comment than everyone else.
That poor model looked *really* uncomfortable.
she looked straight up scared:( poor girl
I agree with you! I have done loads of shoots where I am the model and I have people staring and making me so uncomfortable that I want to leave or even worse shouting things like "how about a smile" "look a bit happier" etc etc which is really really awful for me and makes me super embarrassed. Even last night a guy with a camera was standing quite far away but kept pointing the camera at me and the way he was doing it not holding it to his face and how I was posing seemed like he was zooming in to do an up skirt type of shot. Yes it might be a public place but have some fucking respect and if something has nothing to do with you just ignore it and go about your own stuff.
superficialgirl oh my goodness "how about a smile"? How rude!!!
Awe omg that is horrible!!!
campsbaygirl omg yes I hate it when someone takes a picture of me and they say "smile?" And I'm like "I am fricken smiling, k?" Or if my friend looks at my selfie they'll say you need to smile more. smh.
super relatable! I love doing shoots in public, especially in a pretty setting. And sometimes when i pose a crowd gathers. Having a crowd is fine for me, but sometimes the things they say make me uncomfortable too. It sucks.
campsbaygirl I
I’m not going to try to be rude to men or anything but when a man is standing there staring at you, you get weird and uncomfortable and I don’t know how to explain this but you get this feeling, what these men did was wrong, even if it’s in a public space you can’t do that and she had the right to tell them to leave. Jessica rocks
This is just like if you was painting or drawing or even writing something and someone was looking over your shoulder it would make you feel uncomfortable when you are trying to work. When you are working you need space to do your thing. And people in your space involving themselves in your work because you happen to be doing it in a public place is ridiculous. Show some goddamn respect for people and stop getting in their way and making them uncomfortable no one likes to be stared at. Damn this makes me so mad.
Yet people DO draw and paint outside though, which is what this shoot is. The second you take any type of creativity platform outside you're going to get people to look. That's like starting to play a trumpet outside and expecting people not to want to listen and stand by or scream at you and tell you to stop.
Still wouldn’t compare a painting or a drawing to working with a live model, young girl, but i get what u sayin✌️
Dylan dude, this also goes for you. There is a photographer, a camera and a model. You keep comparing the objects like trumpet and painting, to an alive human being! The tool here is the camera, people around will NOT see or hear the results on spot. So they can move on with their lives and stop staring when they notice this situation going on in public
Any "man" who thinks this is okay, if you're daughter or sister were in this situation and they were very noticeably uncomfortable, would you feel the same? A lot of us "men" need to grow up, and learn how to put ourselves in women's shoes when it comes to these kinds of situations. Seriously, a lot of these comments are justifying what happened or blaming the person/people who felt uncomfortable. Yes it's a public place, but she was within her rights to do and say what she said. If you don't think what those men did was creepy or weird, then the problem is definitely not with how Jessica handled the situation, but with you.
Tessema Osaze Bey™ if my daughter or sister is a model, then I wouldn't have a problem. If my daughter or sister is being sexually abused or harassed then that's what I have a problem.
Stop telling guys they should respect women just because they could be "their sister or their mom". Guys should respect women just because they're human beings.
Winchester 67 That's not exactly what he said.
Thank you for being "SMART" and writing this comment
Tessema Osaze Bey™ say it louder for the people in the back
I get stared at on the train by adult men who are essentially “checking me out”. It’s a public area, does that make it okay?
btw, I’m not even 17 yet
It's immoral in our society, but not illegal.
If you feel threatened, walk away and call out loud for help.
If cornered, give all material things away and then fight your teeth out.
(No matter who you are, that's the smart thing to do on a street threat situation.)
That is absolutely NOT okay
Tell your parents or do tell someone about this like an adult who can do something about this situation... Or maybe sit somewhere else on the space? Those men are disgusting so best to stay away
I know what you mean I experience that since like 14 on trains and such I’m 18 so can’t do much
It depends from where this happend. There are some places where law states that staring intensly at someone and making them clearly uncomfortable is harassment and you can ask police for help (which you should do anyway, often seeing the "prey" asking for help is more than enough to stop them)
Ugh, sorry they killed the vibe! There's ways to watch and be respectful!
EXACTLY!
There's ways to ask and be respectful.
yes
I Believe they didn't touch physically and even that's public area and crowded. freedom to watch is not national and it is internationally law. if you did reserved private property you have some sort of right to say but that's public area designed by nature and God for Everyone. they're are not problems and you created problems.
@@pematamang9268 Wait until someone physically way stronger than you whom you don't know comes that (!) close and intensely stares at you for minutes. We're not talking about just watching, it was intense staring, there's a difference. Don't tell me you wouldn't be scared. It's clearly predatory.
I know it may not be possible all the time, but you should really consider having a guy friend with you on shoots like this. People are just so strange and a group of beautiful girls can be a target.
I didn't say they weren't. If there were a man with them, those creepy guys probably wouldn't have stayed and watched like that.
Good for you for having an opinion, troll.
+Annesha Adams you feminist women are so annoying
Bingo. Getting a male assistant would make a protection presence on that type of photo shoot, being a bloke myself I can tell those guys were like wolves .
Not only that guys would be able to make their presence felt, they can be a neutraliser in this kind of situation where in a simple gesture of conversation can make a difference. I didn't say that girls cannot do that but certainly these cant!
Bruh who tf wears a Suit to the beach. SMH 💀💀
A bathing suit?
Calico D'Nikonian No, I’m talking abt the “Suit”, the one you wear to a wedding or prom.
@@_raian.ahmed_ Bro, I was KIDDING!
Calico D'Nikonian Oh Lmaoo
Rainan commented and calico replied after 1 year where were you calico?Lol
It's appalling to read all these comments from disgusting "men" justifying what these two jackasses were doing. It makes me think they justify it cause they also bother women on the street. They were clearly harassing you and next time you should call the police. It's goddamn time we start shaming harassment, there's too much of it going on out there.
hahaa triggered.
I'd love to hear that call. "911, what is your emergency? I'm on a public beach and someone is looking at me".
What's truely disgusting is you turning this into a womens rights issue when feminism has no place in this comment section. People are so easily offended these days. So quick to twist situations into something they're not.
So, I bother women on the street now? Because my opinion is different from yours? Now look who's being inappropriate!
I agree. "Oh but it's a public place place I can look" But you're making people, in this case women very very uncomfortable. Even when they asked to stop and go away, they didn't. Whether you wanted to hear about women's rights or no, this is what we encounter on a daily basis.
You where getting a bad vibe from them. You don’t have to defend what you felt. They had bad intentions, that’s why you are so bothered by this.any people might be saying that what happened was not a big deal, but hey weren’t there. They couldn’t feel the encounter. Never feel like you have to justify those warning feelings, always listen to them even if everyone else is telling you (including yourself) that you are being ridiculous.
How can you tell if they had bad intentions? Was it written on their forehead? Maybe I missed it?
@@RightSaysTanja Haven't you ever gotten that intuitive feeling about some people? It's happened a lot in my case, and most of the time that gut feeling is probably right. It's better to be safe than sorry. You know when you watch a movie and you can usually tell who the villain is cuz of the way the movie presents the character even if it's not super obvious? It's something like that.
@@nanditamenon2219 If you are uncomfortable, then leave. If they follow you around, even when you told them that they are making you uncomfortable, then they definitely have bad intentions. But this is a public area, where everybody has the right to be, if they aren't doing anything illegal.
@@RightSaysTanja "If you are uncomfortable then leave". Alright fine, they leave to find another spot and get stared at again and leave again and get stared at again. When does it stop? If someone is sitting at a coffee shop and finds another person staring at them intently do they just leave? The only thing that solves is making the person receiving unwanted attention feel like they're the problem when in fact it is the person doing the staring. People need to mind their own business.
@@RightSaysTanja when you get a bad feeling about someone it seems irrational but its always good to follow it.
Once my work hired a new guy, making him my coworker. I instantly had this awful feeling about him even though he hadn’t done anything wrong. Long story short a bit later I found out he was sexually harassing all the teenaged girls who worked there (he was 30 something).
So you should never shame anyone for their gut feeling. Its important to listen to your 6th sense.
Completely understood. These two men intruded too much in your personal space with their attitudes. It is hard to explain to other men who have never felt that way. Everyday on my way to work I pass by the security guy who makes me uncomfortable each time. Either with the looks or the uncomfortable greetings and questions. You just know when someone is being too creepy on you. Not all violence is physical. It is not written in any law, but this kinda behavior is really not ok.
Maja Levak you should report that kinda behavior
I don't think there would have been anything that would have changed by reporting them. I am going to guess that they were not Americans as we have a larger sense of space and find staring too long rude. It can be tough doing a shoot in such a public space. I usually just smile at looky-loos and wait til they move along. Those guys....they would have ran if you started taking their photos! Ha!!
Yeah I completely agree Maja. I had/have a stalker, and each time we pass each other it isn't that normal passing of a few glances and continuing straight on. But the uncomfortable stare of intently watching you, and it can give anyone the creeps. I can COMPLETELY understand how being stared at that way can make someone uncomfortbale
im a very private person n also due to upgrowing in abuse also im introvert ... i need my personal space in or outside my home... due to being a woman or looking young... i have to suffer these things being compromised
Akane I know theres these indian guys at stores that stop me doing shopping they block me and corner me n demand me to give them my number...etc.... there was once an african tall man who was a store security guy stalked me round the store asking invasive personal questions i didnt want to answer... told him politely so many times im just here to do my shopping not looking for friends.... not the place for long chats.... he keeps pestering me everytime i go in the store..... then he left the store one day when i left n followed me down the road.... so i freaked out n ran for my life n he ran after me long story short i got away from him after another store security guard failed to hold him back while i made my escape n after he almost caught up to me... i ran for my train afraid he got there too..... but he lost his job that day for leaving his post in pursuit of me...... obv he couldnt take no for an answer n maybe thot my politeness as getting somewhere until i turned him down point blank n started ignoring me leading up to the following me out the store..... it was scary experience of my life
Next time something like this happened, dont ask them to go, just turn to them , take pictures of them, stare at then, they will leave, trust me, been there.
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韩芸睫 what if they break her camera for taking pics of them ? It is not THAT easy. We never know.
They left when she asked them to. No need to go to war xD.
But they should have been able to see they were uncomfortable by themselves. Not hard to tell really ...
@@BBaaaaa but it's "public space". She can just say, she tried to make photos of the beach.
@Bia Bueno Then they would be breaking a law and should be charged with property damages or vandalism of property.
Bro.. if I make another human being so uncomfortable to the point THEY VOCALIZE asking me to please leave, IM GONE. Cue the meme of the black kid doing a peace sign and disappearing lmao like-
Lmao right??? I never want to make people feel unsafe
You hardly even "snapped."
You seem fairly polite and reasonable even in the peak of frustration.
If I were on that crew I would have walked up to stand behind them and diverted their attention in some non-hostile way at first so they might turn around at least, then dealt with them further in whatever way necessary. (keeping it legal). The photographer and model shouldn't be the ones to worry about crowd control.
I use to hate going to the beach because creepy dudes use to stare at me and my friends why were we in our bathing suits.
TO ANYONE ABOUT TO DEFEND THESE GROSS MEN GOODBYE. Normalizing creepy ass behavior is not going to do anything but encourage it. Nothing about what they were doing was respectful and it doesn't matter that she was shooting in public. There's an entire beach to be creepy lol
Kati callahan and you know how someone else would've reacted to this? probably normally and ignored them..
Thomas N. i would feel weird if 2 creepy ass men were watching me
Kati callahan Encourage what?? Using their eyeballs?!
standing right next to them, you guys, is not at all "Not creepy"
Honestly speaking, I bet no one likes to be stared at, especially when they've made it clear that it makes them uncomfortable. Why has so many people lost the ability to sympathise for others and understand them? If someone clearly states that they're feeling uncomfortable or threatened by you, you back off, even if it's public space or a 'free world'. You cannot use that as a reason to stay and make them feel more uncomfortable. Maybe many of you think this whole thing was overrated, but trust me, if you were in their shoes, you would understand. For all those who cannot, and will not even try to, it's because you haven't come to wrap your mind in how affecting it can be for a person.
Anyways, always try to put yourselves in their shoes, and understand their feeling, because I'm pretty sure you wouldn't wanna feel like that either.
That's exactly what I find so baffeling about the video and the discussion in the comment section - nobody seems to be willing to sympathize with the other side. You for example don't seem to grasp that somebody might never have seen a photographer with a model before and is interested in what is going on. We all saw the video and it obviously could all have been a misunderstanding. But instead of acknowledging that the men in the video (that never agreed to be shown in a UA-cam video) might not have had bad intentions they are portrayed as evil monsters. I even saw the word rape thrown around. How about this: The men misread the situation (a group of people standing around a photo shoot, maybe it's something where everyone can join in watching, it's a public beach after all) and got screamed at pretty much instantly. Now they are in a UA-cam video where people in the comment section can insult them. That seems very one-sided to me.
If I wanted to see how a random photographer at the beach does her job, I would definitely ask first before standing creeply cloose to them.. It's just weird tbh
To all the people in the comments saying this is "okay" or "you should expect an audience", etc. how about you stop telling people when they should and shouldn't be uncomfortable in a situation YOU have not been in. This is not about you, this is about them being in an uncomfortable situation. She's not asking for your validation on whether or not it was wrong or not, she's telling you that it is wrong and that they felt like those two people overstepped their boundaries.
"Let me know you guys' thoughts..." Sounds like she wants to know what the viewers think. Also a UA-camr can hardly tell their audience what to comment and what not to. Why suppress different opinions?
YEAH. like she literally said that she doesn't care if people take a glance, or observe them working or whatevery because it's common. they weren't "just observing". harassment doesn't have to be physical, and they aren't just innocent bystanders they had their attention solely on the girls, and are responsible for the way they can be perceived in a public place, especially if their perception is easily seen as predatory
I’m a model and I was doing a location test shoot and there were 2 Asian men with cameras who started taking pictures of me. The photographer and stylist looked them up and down, as if to say go, but they carried on following us. I was only 14 it was so scary 😂
Kiah Rose bruh that’s concerning 👀
Oh my gosh! How scary and creepy.
I'm so disgusted at these comments. Actual men are trying to justify their actions. Honestly, I know so many people have mentioned that you should bring a guy along and I completely agree. Have him somewhere within a distance so that you can fully shoot the model and properly bond without feeling uncomfortable and once some 'assholes' try to bother you, just signal the guy to come over and help.
Lyssa Diane “ justify their actions” what? Just staring? I agree that they were standing too close but you’re making it seem like they were constantly harassing and cat calling them. Stop being so dramatic.
They were being creepy, she told them to leave, if they left without further disturbing, it's at least better. They were not harassing them, but it was creepy enough to disturb the photographer AND the model.
While they have been polite by not pushing it further, they shouldn't have done something like that eather. It literally shows in their behavior (more the models behavior) that it is seriously uncomfortable.
Does not really matter if they are guys (even if it might be linked), staring and stepping into someone space like that is just weird XD
They however do not need a "guy" to be here and like protect them. They can tell them to go, and it wouldn't escalate further in a public space like that.
I dont think she needs a body gaurd there haha I think she handled the situation just fine.
I think it's sad that it would take another guy to get them to leave 😞
They were acting predatory. You can ask police to investigate suspicious behavior.
THAT is exactly what nosy people do to photographers,call the police to investigate and harass innocent, constitutionally protected activity.
@@calicodnikonian2774 Jesus Christ, one year later you're still vigorously defending. Chances are far greater than 0 that you're one of these creeps. You're not all up there either way.
@@calicodnikonian2774 Sheez you have a lot of free time.
sorry but I did giggle a bit at "sand castle meeting" though the nature of this video is serious and nobody should ever make people feel uncomfortable like that
I'm very saddened by the fact that people are validating rape culture. If someone is uncomfortable and asks you politely to stop staring, then you need to stop. A woman shouldn't have to feel uncomfortable or ask multiple times.
Don't use the word rape culture. :)
Or phrase, rather.
WTF Rape culture!?!?!?!? SMH
Britty Jean rape culture? what are you smoking?
Rape culture shuuuut up you don't have to bring fake political crap into thisss
I know!!! I shooted once by the river and some guys tried to get close to us and touch the girls!!and i was like wtf man and chased them and one of my friends almost hit them and we were so scared because they would tease us coming back so we had to leave in the end. Some people are so annoying and they are happy making you uncomfortable! yes, it is a public place but it doesn't mean you can invade other people personal space or activity! I support what you did, and you were still very polite lol people need to learn more respect! you did well protecting your models from feeling amused! Keep it up Jessi!! I support you!
these men were way to into their business. like it’s so rude and intrusive. two older men watching younger women do completely normal things. like you can watch for a minute or so and than walk away. you can’t just stand there and stare at younger women like that, especially the model. she’s trying to look nice and do her job but the two men were making her uncomfortable, and everyone else. they shouldn’t of stayed there they should of just left.
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when i was 14 i was into cosplay, i had a photoshoot with my friends (who are also 14) in a park, right when I got into the gate, 2 adult men following us the entire day, they try to flirt and touch us without permission... the entire day was ruined because we didn't feel safe to take photos where there's no crowd
IF that happens again, PLEASE be loud and let others hear you! Most women are taught to be quiet or polite while men can do whatever they want. If you will be loud and yell at the men with your friends, others will realize what's going on and help you in some way! (Also the men could realize that you're not an easy target or something like that) don't be scared to help others too
@@v1Echos next time i would probably tell him off, if he persist i'll just straight up punch him if he touch me
Them doing that is no different than if you are hanging out with friends and family are enjoying themselves and having these random weirdos just leering at the people you care about even after you politely excuse them.
Even not including that, they were interrupting your work and making the model uncomfortable. It's not ok. Sure some people come from places where it's not weird but just like going them and invading their space isn't ok, you go somewhere else, try not to be completely rude and gawk at people, just like some places you're expected to cover up more. Just need to try and be aware of your surrounding culture.
Exactly. I get that it's the public space and they have a RIGHT to be there, which means it's not illegal for them to stop and stare. But anything who thinks that it's justified to stay there is ignoring that it's uncomfortable, it's weird, it's creepy, and it's disrespectful to people who are working and minding their own business. Is it illegal to stop and hang out there? Of course not! But it's also creepy and stupid and wrong.
Sincerely, a dude who isn't stupid and knows that making people uncomfortable, even if legal, is still wrong.
Me, male hobby photographer, and my model, young and very attractive, were doing a shoot near a construction site. It was kinda spicy, yes, including heels, garters, playful poses, but still non-nude.
During the shoot, several of the workers gathered together near the fence and penetratingly stared at us (read: her). She is a pretty tough character so she laughed it off, but we both started to feel annoyed already. On the way back, we had to pass close to those men (average age: about 55). They went silent and followed her with their eyes in a way that "creepy" would only describe it so far.
I intuitively changed sides and walked closer to the fence, taking the tripod on my shoulder a: to flex a bit and look confident and b: to use it as an actual weapon if necessary. No joke, I did not rule out the danger that this might happen.
One of several experiences I / we made with men present at photo shoots. Starting from dumb and useless comments over sexist jokes to penetrant staring, passing cars honking and guys yelling rape fantasies - all those things already happened, even when we were present with 2 men at the shooting to assist / protect the model ...
Dudes - those pretty women are flirting with the CAM, not with YOU, dammit!
@@SK-sz9ky I get what you're saying but even then men should still have some respect and act decent, a woman's choice in clothes or lack thereof should not determine if a man is going to choose to respect her or not, and tbh men who work construction are usually so horny that they'll flirt with just about anybody no matter what they're wearing. What the photographer should have done was do the photoshoot when the men are off of their shift so there wouldn't be so many inappropriate interruptions for the model
@@breannesmith8580 If they're working in two shifts all through the day that would have been no option. Besides - we are still glad we stood our ground and did claim the right to be there and do that with those guys actually being in responsibility of treating us with simply the usual amount of everyday respect, nothing more, nothing less. It is still nothing else but victim blaming to use an argument like "why did you be there in the first place?".
@@s.o.4339 I wasn't trying to victim blame at all and if it came across that way I apologize. Those men should have given you and your model the proper respect. I was only trying to say that if it was possible to do the photoshoot when those men are not working it may have been more comfortable for you and the model but if that wasn't possible which is what you said then by all means stand your ground because you do have a right to be there which is something that I agree with.
There is a vibe from those guys, coming through the video!, Creepy guys. "respectful is all your asking" Glad you are aware and stand up for work/team .
they could stand 50 feet away and watch from a distance, that is creepy.
The thing with this is that they told the guys to distance themselves because they felt uncomfortable, it's a big beach, they asked respectfully. The fact that they wouldn't leave them alone and stared at them with faces that held more than just curiosity and questioning is harassment. It's a public place, yes. But if you make someone feel uncomfortable and they tell you to stop and it's more than easy to walk 10 feet in the opposite direction, why stay and stare?
I understand how you girls felt, that's not a fun situation to be in at all.
Another alternative would be to take your safety into consideration and walk away to another section of the beach. If they follow you, either leave, say something more, or threaten to call the police.
ohhhh they are indian(or seems like it)
I’m Indian, and Indians just watch everything lol, they like to get into others businesses, and intently watch. My grandma does that, and it’s creepy af. They think that if we show that we are interested, they would feel proud.
Yeah they probably did that because they were interested, but when you guys asked them to go, they should have. Yeah idk why they did that
lol
Staring Indians... Creep me out
I guess theres also...when in rome, do as the romans... It might be ok when its with indians, and those with the same culture..but they should be aware that the world is different
I'm an Indian too but that's not an excuse to stare at people. Back here people feel uncomfortable too when they stare. Indian or not, diffirent culture or not, people need to know when something is out of line
No one I know does that?? Being Indian doesn't justify creepiness
Welcome to New York! Too many weird, annoying, and downright rude harassers. You have to learn how to be rude to live here. It's another world.
I didnt see where they harassed anyone. Did they say something rude? Standing there looking (even if it is creepy) at a public beach isnt a crime. Most people would look for a few and keep it moving. As scary as it is, I didnt see the guys do anything wrong. Stop trying to act like New Yorkers are any different from other places. Being "weird, annoying, and downright rude harassers" isn't limited to New York. But, your advise on learning how to be rude will make sure New Yorkers are in 1st place when it comes to that category.
Louis Ballz You clearly have never lived here. When crackheads are patrolling every station in the subway annoying you for money, attempting to sing and dance while they stuff a dirty hate in your face every morning before work, people constantly looking to pickpocket you or steal something from you. Yea you never lived here so you would never know. IT very much so is different here. You have to be on your toes and people are just trying to get where they have to go, they aren't looking to be polite. These two idiots were standing there and staring very closely, did not leave when asked to, and continued to congregate when they were not welcomed. That is harassment, maybe not illegal, but harassment especially to women who can't physically defend themselves if they were to attack them. Get real and get out of your bubble you are living in.
Went and gotten something to drink? You do know photographers operate by light, right? Clearly they were there at that time because that's the lighting and location Jessica wanted for her shots. Going for a drink might have meant coming back to darkness.
I guess this video is her public shaming two guys for watching her get "her shot". No pic is worth me compromising my or the models safety. But, that's just my personal opinion. Carry on!
+Alec Sanchez that's not the point , he was watching clearly interested in the shoot . She doesn't own the beach to talk about personal space .
Indian people facebook IRL
The whole crew shouldve started taking photos of them as if they were the models LOL
That’s why I walk around with a pitchfork.
When you said “I’m not assuming anything.” NO. You have a right to assume. You have an absolute reason to assume the worst of people if they are aware they are making you and others uncomfortable and choose to push it anyways. Never apologizing for judging people negatively when they treat others badly. Peer pressure them into being better people but never blame yourself or make excuses for being upset. You have nothing to apologize for
This is a huge issue for women that a lot of people seem content to dismiss. Just because we are in a public place does not mean we are here for you to comment on our appearance, watch us, catcall at us, or tell us "we'd look prettier if we smiled". People are so quick to shrug it off like "if you're doing something in public expect to be looked at and commented on". NO. The model CLEARLY was incredibly uncomfortable. Women should be able to feel safe and comfortable in public just as much as men should. I'm glad you spoke up. We need to tell people that its not right of them to treat people this way - women, men, transgendered people, people with handicaps....I don't care who the hell you are, you deserve to feel safe. By not saying something we are letting them think that this behaviour is okay, and maybe next time they'll not only comment in a crude way or stand and stare, they'll actually act on it. Because we aren't always on a beach in the middle of a crowd. Sometimes we're walking home at night and it Isn't safe. So thank you for making this video, and I hope you will continue to stand up for yourselves :)
This is exactly it. It's a huge issue for women, and unfortunately some men just don't understand that because it doesn't apply to them. To say we should just ignore it every time and shrug it off is easier said than done (especially for a guy!)
I had the same problem at a park in Brooklyn, and it was empty. But it's not a local thing, here in Brazil is the same. The disrespect for woman is still horrible. I don't want to take my boyfriend ou male friends to shoots, just to feel safe. We need to keep strong girls!
I'm sorry you had this experience. Unfortunately I've run into a lot of these things while modeling and it's super comfortable when people do not understand boundaries.
These are public beach, it's common for guys to stop by and look at beautiful models, unless there's a HARASSMENT going on, if not you can't stop them. My wife shoot for model portfolio, sometimes I follow on their trip and get to know all this thing, sometimes it's get 10-20 people surround our shoot. If possible Don't choose weekends for photoshoot, choose a day and time that had the least people on that area.
exactly...
There's a difference between watching and staring super close. Imagine you are at your desk doing your thing and someone comes by and look at your computer screen, ok great yeah sure no problem, but imagine that person coming closer and has his head over your shoulder and his hands on your chair and desk, how would you like that.... I am a photographer and i totally agree with Jessica, cause i wouldn't want someone to stare at us while et are WORKING or whatever. Mind your business and if i ask you to leave, YOU LEAVE, it's respect that's all
If someone got his head over my shoulder looking at my computer, or looking into a girls changing room, those are called PEEPING. that's intruding someone privacy. Those two guys are probably just watching people's taking photograph, in a open space, standing few feet away from the photographer and 8 ft away from the model and not obstructing the shoot, other then that I don't see any wrong doing of those guy as long they don't touch the model, doing sexual posture, taking photograph of the model or other unacceptable things, now did you see the difference between peeping and watching?
Try using a 70-200mm telephoto lens and shoot at least 16ft away from the model, and most onlookers will stand as far as the photographer will go without obstructing the view, thus giving more room to the model. If like the pose use 50mm (if you like) and take a close shoot then move back to the telephoto lens.
Using a 50mm lens, is just too close for comfort (5-6 ft).
They were standing right next to us, and we ALL felt uncomfortable. After I politely told them that we didn't want them watching us, they still stayed. FOR A WHILE TOO. Don't you think I've shot at public places before? People at the beach were all watching us BUT FROM A COMFORTABLE AND POLITE DISTANCE. If my model or any of my friends are feeling uncomfortable I will speak up. 100%. I would want someone to do the same for me. There is a point where you stop being a photographer and you have to be a human being and a friend.
I'm sure if you had a daughter and there were two men next to her and she felt uncomfortable you would want her to speak up, right? In any case Bernard, you've probably never had to deal with this as a male. I'm sorry but that's basically what it is. It's so easy to sit here and say "you're in public, there's no harrassment" etc. but think about it from a woman's point of view. We are constantly harassed on the street. We have people yell things at us, and try to talk to us when we would rather be left alone. Let me know next time you're walking down the street and someone yells at you "hey baby, you look fine" or "daaamnnnn you hot" - then you'll get a little preview of the history of our struggle.
I can greatly relate. People who are being rude in the comments obviously haven't been in a situation like this. When you're with a model, you have to, in a way, be protective of them. And it's very dangerous, especially for women to be approached like this.
I was by myself at a skate park shooting a friend for a university assignment and these two men came up to us on bikes, no one was around, ask if they could watch and I said "Um, sure" thinking they would get bored and ride away but then they kept making comments at my model, about her appearance, outfit and poses and she was getting so uncomfortable she wasn't posing as strongly as she was when we were alone. BECAUSE ITS HARD TO WORK WHEN YOURE IN A UNCOMFORTABLE SITUATION- plus if someone is making you feel unsafe, a natural response is to want to flee. We had to leave after I kept hinting nicely that we were trying to focus because this was going to be a graded project, and they still didn't get the memo so we walked a block over to the tennis courts to shoot and they followed us! As they approached us again my model just yelled at them to f-off and thankfully they left but lingered around the courts for a bit. I carry pepper spray now.
Sorry your team had to experience something like that Jessica, you handled it very well and I completely understand the frustration. Stand your ground girl, you rule!
I had that too once, when I and my friend took pics of each other. But two guys started to watch and then starting to take pics of us too. That was really creepy. Unfortunately we didn't say anything just walked away
Happens to me all the time! I was shooting photos of a teenage model in downtown Phoenix, and about ten minutes into the session, I noticed that she was starting to get an uncomfortable look of her face. She nodded her head upward to look behind me- I turned around and there were FIVE men standing behind me completely gawking at her. Mind you, she’s THIRTEEN. It’s so fucking creepy.
Sounds like some cops I've heard whistling and making obscene comments at middle-school girls here in NYC.
One time me and my friend were shooting at a carnival and some high school kids walked by and said “amateur photography is such a lame hobby” and I about decked that guy lmao
I love how quick Jessica was to tell them to get away
To be honest I am so uncomfortable just watching this video, the dudes are honestly giving me creeps. I am so sorry this happened to you.
i feel like it has to be said that the whole photography team and the model were women and the two doing the gawking were men. a lot of men have this thing where they treat women like objects, like art to be consumed or stared at or contemplated, unaware and/or uncaring about what the subject of their attention is feeling, when they're uncomfortable or would rather be left alone. a lot of men can justify it, too, like 'oh, women are crazy, that's why they told me to leave' if they're not just turned on by being creepy and predatory, asserting their power over women in whatever pathetic way they can. you stood up for not only yourself and the women on your team but the women nearby on the beach, the women who will watch this and be emboldened to say something next time some creep is bothering them, standing too close, acting too friendly. you don't have to justify what you felt, you can see the looks on their faces that they're amused by your discomfort. and i know this is an old video but it's still an important lesson.
So you felt uncomfortable. Pretty typical feeling but I didn't gather more from the video. It could be cultural, it could be a lot of reasons as to why people don't pick up on social cues. Regardless, I think your fears and insecurities got the best of you and this wasn't a big issue. Maybe because you tend to ignore more than confront, and now you had to assert yourself, which made you uncomfortable. I don't think the guys did anything beyond being annoying, but you reacted as though you were threatened. I don't think you properly calibrated your emotional response. A polite and simple " can you stand back a little so we can work" could have been fine.
The models and my entire team felt uneasy. If I don't feel comfortable, fine. I can handle it. But I notice my team is being affected then I say something. Plus, what fear are you talking about? You do realize I am an Arab. I've been all around the Middle East. I come from a middle eastern cultural background. I know all types of people and different cultures. Doesn't make it okay to hover around people working and minding their own business. This isn't about culture, it's just about minding your manners.
that's a tough call ...you are in public and you are shooting an attractive model and people who do not understand what you are doing are going to be very intent on watching it ...Americans have a sense of stay out of my bubble that many from around the world don't share ..I'm not saying it's not annoying but you should keep your eyes focused on the good in most people the many many forgotten faces of the people who have been respectful of you working in public and allowing you the time and space to do
your art ...way more good people than bad
Doug Sawyer, I can agree with that. It's a public place, and being uncomfortable isn't the worst thing in the world. Just like feeling happy and other emotions, being uncomfortable is pretty natural. It's a production and that is why models and actors stand apart, because they can be knee deep in freezing water, covered in mud, standing in the middle of traffic and still be able to work under that pressure. Or at least they should be able to do those things. No one appeared to be in any danger. So it just comes down to emotions and how they are being managed.
well I'm a photographer too and I shoot in exact same pattern like you. yes sometimes it's uncomfy when unwanted people look at you so I either request them to move away or I move away. but I feel this is a very normal situation for a photographer. they were annoying but isn't it something u sometims face in a public place. I think u shud have been used to it now that's it's 5+ years u said twice. However I understand to documents events such small as this now that their has to be variations in your videos. You do a good job I keep coming back for ur new vids. This one being a bit exaggerated reaction one but it's okay. it gave u content. cheers
Maybe they were passing comments? or photo bombing? No? trespassing private property? She didn't upload above acts in the video I guess. And they left when you asked them to leave, definitely they might be troublemakers!
Two girls standing instead and you would be glad!
How can someone just stand and stare when a photographer and model are doing their job,,,, I feel like a stalker/creeper for *asking* if I can watch
I remember when I was in high school I was doing a photoshoot with a friend and the same thing happened. These two guys, clearly WAY older than us, were following us and watching us. Kept interrupting to talk to us and get pictures. I asked them to leave politely several times and they wouldnt leave. Eventually I had to threaten to call the police for harrassment of a minor. They cursed us out then left. Clearly they had bad intentions if the only thing to get them to leave two teenage girls alone is the threat of the police!
😥😡 That’s just so awful and predatory and incredibly creepy of them. Scary behavior, and towards young teenagers. A true man should always seek to show respect to the women around him and make them feel comfortable at all times.
im scrolling through the comments and I see gotdamn paragraphs and im here just like "let me write a few sentences"
vargas dorcely wow what a wonderfully necessary comment to waste all of our lives with. thank you
uhh okay then ?? this comment is so dumb??
@@thomasnache Nobody told you to read it. Your fault
I’ve had so manny people do the same thing, it can throw off the vibe quickly and you’re not able to work properly.. it’s like I understand you’re curious about what we’re doing but it’s courteous to not get into peoples business.. Especially if you don’t know what some people’s intentions are ya know.. I feel you girl. 👏🏼
It's like someone sitting down on your picnic blanket just inviting themselves into your space after you asked them to leave. It's not illegal but it's still wrong
I can relate a 100%. I'm a cosplayer, so I am used to an audience during a photoshoot but its still very uncomfortable and you feel very self-concious when people are just staring at you while you try to do your thing in front of the camera - or behind it. I mean most people are nice about it but there are just creeps out there too
A GUT FEELING IS A GUT FEELING GIRL. STAND BY THAT GUT FEELING.
I know how this is going to sound but I know exactly how thee kind of people are. They just stand there with their creepy stares. You have to experience this to understand what's going on. It's really frustrating.
As a fellow photographer (and especially a young looking female) I totally get this. EVERY time I’m out on location myself and the team get comments, stares, photobombing etc. I get if it’s a public place it’s fine to have a look and be interested but to stop and interrupt or just stand and stare and put the whole team off is just frustrating and not cool. I think people don’t understand that we’re trying to work and I feel like I have a responsibility to make our work environment comfortable for the team and especially the model who is usually the focus of the attention. I would have done the same thing!
It seems to be a cultural norm for Indian men of a certain age and background, and Chinese men and women of a certain age and background. The two guys looked like the former.
what makes you an expert on asians? thats pretty disrespectful coming from someone who obviously doesn't have a clue about "cultural norms" of other countries.
I don’t mind when people watch me shoot, but I trust my gut when someone is being weird about it.
I can't imagine how uncomfortable this is but have you tried asking them first to leave you alone calmly? I mean in my country that's kinda normal.. but when we want them to leave us alone, we just ask them nicely and they go.
I’ve done modeling in public before and I know how it feels to have random strangers, mostly men, stop and stare. My photographer was a guy though and didn’t seem to pay any attention to them so I didn’t either. I’ll never forget how awkward I felt though, and luckily they didn’t stand there that long but yeah, it’s definitely weird. I’m glad you stood up for her and said something!
Next time when they come and watching you, stare them back for quite some time. And if they walk away just tried to follow them a bit till they feel uncomfortable. This works for me 😂 hate those creeps!
People in this comment section need to stop making this situation about themselves.
She was in a situation where she was uncomfortable and told these men off. Period. It doesn't matter where she was, what she was doing, or who she was with. When you are uncomfortable, you are uncomfortable. That's it.
I’ve been following you for a very long time - thank you for all you do!
I missed this video somehow and it happened to pop up on my feed today.
It wasn’t because you were taking photos, it happened because you’re women.
I have some stories to share about the harassment and sexism that goes into being a female photographer. It’s terrible.
I really love that you took up for yourself & model/friend.
Street harassment is not okay no matter what it is. If someone wants to be left alone; leave them.
Thank you!!!
Well here’s my take. I’m a professional photography of almost 20 years. As a professional nothing matters other then the subject. A audience of 1 or 1000 does not make a difference to what I aim to achieve on set. However if the subject is experiencing stress then he or she isn’t doing there job. This lady is nothing but a amateur photographer who seems to be insecure of her abilities. Her whole 12min rant does not make any sense whatsoever. Your shooting in public not a private studio. You adjust accordingly, you don’t have a fit, you focus, you be professional, you do your job. A photographer at all times possess the ability to adapt to any given situation and achieve excellence in all area including composure. You young lady need to humble yourself and understand that your make believe self entitlement is nothing but within the realms of UA-cam and not the real world.
So nothing to say about the dudes who were being weird?
karen b absolutely not. They were enjoying the photoshoot. They were just spectating. They didn’t interfere, they didn’t shout abuse. They were simply the audience. If you have genuinely are confident in your work and have the love of photography then you will share your experiences even in the public domain. Iv had crowds gathered around me during photo shoots and felt honoured that people have taken the time out of there day to appreciate my work.
There's something about having a camera in public that attracts the crazies. We were filming with a TV camera and a stranger runs up, grabs the lens and forces it down. After assuring him that we weren't recording he finally left us alone. People are nuts.
Imagine you working in your office and two men are standing right next to your table watching you work.
You inspire me to stand up for myself more.
Ameerah AlGohary low standards?
Even if it's public space and you're allowed to be there... You're not entitled to invade anyone's personal space, you're not entitled to disturb someone while on the job, and if someone asks you to leave because they're uncomfortable and can't do their job then JUST LEAVE. Come on! If you don't leave people alone upon their request you're playing some weird power game and that is creepy as hell.
It's Coney Island baby 😒 I was shooting there next day on Sunday and it was a boudoir photoshoot so one guy was just sitting and taking photos of us for the whole time. Creep.
omg...are you serious?!?!?!? :| that is not right
What can we do? He didn't hurt anyone and we can't really proof what the intentions he had, so we cant' really protect ourselves completely.
Bogdana Yakovenko protect from what? that awful terrifying shutter sound
you did the right thing girl!! if it makes the model feel uncomfortable they HAVE TO GO. i wouldnt want ppl staring at me too if i was a model
It would be quite difficult in those circumstances. It would appear you didn't 'flip out', you weren't abusive in an unexpected way.
My job requires me to operate in public and to handle unpleasant, uncomfortable, difficult and aggressive behaviour.
Sometimes it attracts an audience.
Usually I explain to the unrequited audience that their behaviour is causing some others to be uncomfortable and why. I explain what I would like them to do eg. move further away and then go back to what I am doing.
I'm not suggesting you did anything wrong @Jessica, just offering a suggestion of something that helps me.
Again, you were not highly unpleasant and they were standing in a location that while legally permissible because it is a public space, the position in which they stood was creating an unnecessary interruption and intrusion.
As you said, they could have watched from further away and in so doing satisfied any curiosity without generating discomfort.
What I liked was that your focus wasn't specifically them watching YOU but the effect it had on the person who was modelling and their level of discomfort. I also thought it was a very comforting thing for you to speak to her first.
Only on one occasion while shooting in a public space have I had a person act aggressively (literally a centimetre from my nose and shouting at me) but he clearly had a mental health problem. Fortunately I'm professionally experienced in dealing with aggressive people and those with mental health difficulties.
I would like to add that it is unfortunate but I imagine female photographers and models would generally experience a greater frequency of such incidents.
On a positive note: love your videos :)) I enjoy watching them and have learnt an enormous amount. Thank you for posting them and for this one too. It's an important issue to raise.
I feel so creeped out right now
Yes girl, this is always so rough. I had a major issue with a shoot in a town square, these early 20's boys thought it would be funny to continuously photobomb the photos. One time, okay whatever they got what the wanted and I had hoped they would leave, but they tried to photobomb EVERY SINGLE PHOTO. I got really upset as well, I told them that I was working, this is a job, and to please leave. I was so angry and upset someone would try and disrupt my work like that.
I usually have someone there with me during my sessions in case someone try’s to enter our business.
I like your work as a photographer.
About the video, I can say that it goes both ways around because I understand how uncomfortable you and the crew can feel because someone is standing by watching and learning how you're doing your work or maybe that person has a mental problem or awkward mentality that can happened too. At the end of the day u will have to deal with it. On the other hand. We have regular people that is walking by the city doing their business too. But at the same time there are photo shoots in the middle of busy areas like the subway, skate parks, bus stops or even the venue itself. These kind of situations we have to deal with that too, because some people don’t like to be in a photo even though you are not intended to take a picture of that person. Also there are people that are in a rush and don't have time for u take all the pictures.
At the end. We have to deal with it by the law and if there’s an intention of aggression, you can always call the cops for risky situations where ur life is in dangerous.
I’m not the type of person that will agreed with anybody unless that person has a fair point and I hope my point of view don’t triggers you. Great content, keep it up!
i think if one reads all the comments on this video then one can become a good and respectful person instantly . lmao
I think you just need to express yourself better.
Communicate all of this, and if they are decent people they will walk off, or at least relocate to a position less distracting to the model. Love your work btw, but hopefully those two guys were just unaware of their body language and the impact of their presence..