What you're explaining is exactly how I've felt all along about this murder. Where were you 4 years ago? I can't tell you how much grief people like myself took when arguing against the "Chris is a narcissist, psychopath " comments everywhere. 90% felt this way. Maybe I'm not a normal human?
Thanks so much Jordan for all your work explaining the technical details to us about the components of this crime. I'm learning a lot, it's making me think. I believed what he told his dad in the police interview room, also, because i recognised some of the traits of Shanann that put me on edge as i waded through huge amout of information Shanann left in social media, videos and text; all a window into their life together. I don't know if you will see this message, i wonder if you would consider the point I'm about to make: One of the things that strikes me about Chris Watts is when the agents went to visit him in prison some time after he began serving his sentence (and they taped the audio) is how they kept up the friendly front which CW responds well to, and they told him he was so unusual because he didn't fit the profile one would expect for such a crime. Once he heard this he seemed to change the details of what he did, almost as if he was trying to live up to the criteria he thought would make him an extra special case. All because (jmo) in the initial aftermath of the murders those agents were all over him plying him with all their interest in getting to know him in the faux friendly bonding detectives often employ to successfully get a suspect to spill the beans. It's an amazing thing to see in action as they get in there and manage to build a rapport and a trust. So in those days after the murders when CW was in a terrified state, i think he valued the way their "friendliness" made him feel better about himself -- who could forget the jokey slight flirtation Agent Tammy encouraged as she buttered him up for the lie detector ? So when they came to visit him he appeared to be grateful to see them again, and once they said he was unusual he seemed think: Right, let's go with that, how can i keep them interested in me ? I know, I'll make some more stuff up so that i can remain top of their special list and get a pat on the head for giving them more to think about. This is what i think roughly occurred. He wanted so badly to feel love bombed again by the agents, so he made up another load of stuff on the spot, perhaps based around what he'd been told by loved ones was bouncing around online. That's my theory.
I think in the prison interview he just thought it was cool to talk to someone new, someone he knew from the outside, and someone who always treated him with dignity and respect. That means a lot when you're in prison. Because no one treats you that way when you're in prison. All the stories he told in that interview, I think he was just going with the flow (the norm for Chris). He didn't want to get in trouble or stir anything up. He just told them what they wanted to hear. He was living in an extremely disciplinary environment. Everything inmates do is to prevent getting in trouble and to satisfy basic needs for stimulation. I don't read anything calculating or malicious into it.
Thank you for taking the time to educate us on this stuff. Very interesting. And the application to CW case is always of interest.
What you're explaining is exactly how I've felt all along about this murder. Where were you 4 years ago? I can't tell you how much grief people like myself took when arguing against the "Chris is a narcissist, psychopath " comments everywhere. 90% felt this way. Maybe I'm not a normal human?
You are smart and interesting, oh, also cool.
3:06 - It's important to note that not all mental health disorders need to rise to this level of maladaptiveness. PDs, yes, others, not always.
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Thanks so much Jordan for all your work explaining the technical details to us about the components of this crime.
I'm learning a lot, it's making me think.
I believed what he told his dad in the police interview room, also, because i recognised some of the traits of Shanann that put me on edge as i waded through huge amout of information Shanann left in social media, videos and text; all a window into their life together.
I don't know if you will see this message, i wonder if you would consider the point I'm about to make:
One of the things that strikes me about Chris Watts is when the agents went to visit him in prison some time after he began serving his sentence (and they taped the audio) is how they kept up the friendly front which CW responds well to, and they told him he was so unusual because he didn't fit the profile one would expect for such a crime.
Once he heard this he seemed to change the details of what he did, almost as if he was trying to live up to the criteria he thought would make him an extra special case. All because (jmo) in the initial aftermath of the murders those agents were all over him plying him with all their interest in getting to know him in the faux friendly bonding detectives often employ to successfully get a suspect to spill the beans.
It's an amazing thing to see in action as they get in there and manage to build a rapport and a trust.
So in those days after the murders when CW was in a terrified state, i think he valued the way their "friendliness" made him feel better about himself -- who could forget the jokey slight flirtation Agent Tammy encouraged as she buttered him up for the lie detector ?
So when they came to visit him he appeared to be grateful to see them again, and once they said he was unusual he seemed think: Right, let's go with that, how can i keep them interested in me ?
I know, I'll make some more stuff up so that i can remain top of their special list and get a pat on the head for giving them more to think about.
This is what i think roughly occurred.
He wanted so badly to feel love bombed again by the agents, so he made up another load of stuff on the spot, perhaps based around what he'd been told by loved ones was bouncing around online.
That's my theory.
I think in the prison interview he just thought it was cool to talk to someone new, someone he knew from the outside, and someone who always treated him with dignity and respect. That means a lot when you're in prison. Because no one treats you that way when you're in prison.
All the stories he told in that interview, I think he was just going with the flow (the norm for Chris). He didn't want to get in trouble or stir anything up. He just told them what they wanted to hear. He was living in an extremely disciplinary environment. Everything inmates do is to prevent getting in trouble and to satisfy basic needs for stimulation.
I don't read anything calculating or malicious into it.
my purpose on earth is to armchair diagnose. Let’s team up.
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