I love that the scale/breadth of things possible with the Octatrack allows for learning, re-learning, change of approach and set design: enjoyed coming back to this/these. Thanks Kenny.
This is a great video. I really like your presentational style - it's conceptually clear, not just procedurally clear. Plus a really interesting technique. Plus you used the word "phenomenologically."
haha thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video, a lot of my techniques come from tryin to solve specific problems, so I do what I can to present the problem as clearly as the solution :)
This is fascinating...I use Turing machines in my modular synth similarly: I clock the Turing machine and send the CV out to the start point of my sampler, which results in repeating randomized loops. I use my modular and the OT together all the time, this trick will pair nicely with my synth for live sets...Genius, great stuff man, thank you!
Glad to be of assistance! Yeah one of my goals has been to introduce some randomness while still having some control over the randomness. Bit of a challenge at times to find that threshold, as many of the traditional design elements of the Octatrack seem to favor either extreme design or extreme randomness.
@@KennyZhao Eurorack tends to favor randomness, generally speaking, depending on the particular set of modules. Hence my dive into OT in the first place. It helps to add an element of predictability and design to my modular...but it's nice to get a little controlled chaos in there with the OT as well! Makes it feel less stiff without going totally off the rails, which is something I've always struggled with when playing live...it either ends up being strictly scripted and therefore fragile feeling, or essentially improv and somewhat outside my control at times!
Bleeps and Loops yep, definitely feel that. I bet it would help to have the roles of “control” and “randomness” assigned to two separate entities, for organization as well as for sanity!
Love your tutorials. I'd suggest that if your topic doesn't require us to see the OP1 then zoom in on just the octatrack. On this video it would have been nicer to see a bigger screen.
thanks for watching, yeah I'll try to be mindful. I've seen videos where people just zoom in on the face of the screen, since a lot of the information is in there. I'll see what I can do!
I've learned more from watching your videos than i have from hours and hours of pouring over the manual and other YT resources..... you DAMNED fast with that one hand shit... sometimes a little TOO fast.... but still... thank you can have more please?
Totally was following you despite the complexity of what you are explaining. :) What a great video! Just a bit of jargon. At 8:20 - that's called bipolar vs unipolar LFOs. Bipolar goes negative or below the starting value. Unipolar "floors" I love the CPU metaphor you used. I think it is completely that kind of mechanic for live jamming, jazz improv and knob twiddling. This is a great tip, I've done this army of LFOs on many pieces of gear with "amp volume" but this is a great idea with the sample start. Glad you are playing out. I just did my first tiny cafe sized show with my Digitakt (prepared patterns but not an arrangement) and had to practice a lot to know what patterns are which. I kind of played along on a keyboard and did a gapless jam (sort of). Doing this with the OT (for me) is going to take more practice (for me). Getting there! Live looping is fun (for analog-ish sound jams -- like lofi with acoustic sources). Need to get faster with it. :)
Chris Dillon nice job taking the dive and performing with the octatrack! I still haven’t had many opportunities to do my “jam” setup for a live show, but hopefully soon, so I can really see what works. Til then I’ll probably do some live streams soon on my IG. What’s helpful about this particular technique to me is that it’s so widely applicable that you can pretty much use it to liven up any flex machine. Hopefully once I can standardize a starting setup it will reduce some of the confusion that comes from having so many options :)
When using a random wave on an lfo I think it does in fact repeat that randomisation over the trigs,as long as your lfo length is shorter than the pattern length,does with note anyways pretty sure same with start/slice point
I'll be trying this and tying the interesting lfo values to some scenes. Should be interesting. Now if only those kids will give me a few free minutes!
Nice one again. :) But, one thing, in general, I came her to learn about the gear, enjoy your video, not to hear you complaining about why you hadnt posted in any time you think that is appropriate. If you want to make it a bit reality TV, tell smth else. ;) Smaller not constantly feeded channels, with their creators complaning why they arent constantly feeded, are worse then smaller not constantly feeded channels. ;) Thanks for the vid, keep going!
Haha thanks for the encouragement! Easy to fall into that habit in speaking because it's the relationship I perceive with viewers, but I appreciate that you and probably most people don't mind. I guess we are pretty flooded with content these days, so I shouldn't feel pressured to be constantly updating like that. If this is to be a collection of findings, it won't matter what intervals it comes out at :)
@@KennyZhao I think its key to use very small values for smoother, reliable play backs. It does have a tendency to be quite glitch in larger values. Some wealth for boom bap, ip-hop, and house in low values. I like to use placed trigs for RTrG, with an Lfo or two modulating for some variation on the repeats. I think I target start point in one, and I think I have an lfo targeting lfo also. I was able to render pretty clean polyrhythms (?) I don't know enough about it yet to be very definitive tho. I also have a strong tendency to work in low tempo, usually below 60bpm. I then rely on delays and RTrG's to wake the tempo to heel.
I love that the scale/breadth of things possible with the Octatrack allows for learning, re-learning, change of approach and set design: enjoyed coming back to this/these. Thanks Kenny.
This is a great video. I really like your presentational style - it's conceptually clear, not just procedurally clear. Plus a really interesting technique. Plus you used the word "phenomenologically."
haha thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video, a lot of my techniques come from tryin to solve specific problems, so I do what I can to present the problem as clearly as the solution :)
This is fascinating...I use Turing machines in my modular synth similarly: I clock the Turing machine and send the CV out to the start point of my sampler, which results in repeating randomized loops. I use my modular and the OT together all the time, this trick will pair nicely with my synth for live sets...Genius, great stuff man, thank you!
Glad to be of assistance! Yeah one of my goals has been to introduce some randomness while still having some control over the randomness. Bit of a challenge at times to find that threshold, as many of the traditional design elements of the Octatrack seem to favor either extreme design or extreme randomness.
@@KennyZhao Eurorack tends to favor randomness, generally speaking, depending on the particular set of modules. Hence my dive into OT in the first place. It helps to add an element of predictability and design to my modular...but it's nice to get a little controlled chaos in there with the OT as well! Makes it feel less stiff without going totally off the rails, which is something I've always struggled with when playing live...it either ends up being strictly scripted and therefore fragile feeling, or essentially improv and somewhat outside my control at times!
Bleeps and Loops yep, definitely feel that. I bet it would help to have the roles of “control” and “randomness” assigned to two separate entities, for organization as well as for sanity!
Fantastic tutorial, thank you! I just got the mk1 and this trick works like a charm.
glad to hear it! Thanks for watching :D
Love your tutorials. I'd suggest that if your topic doesn't require us to see the OP1 then zoom in on just the octatrack. On this video it would have been nicer to see a bigger screen.
thanks for watching, yeah I'll try to be mindful. I've seen videos where people just zoom in on the face of the screen, since a lot of the information is in there. I'll see what I can do!
Nice keyboard chops, you whipped that melodic track in time and that ain’t easy on the op-1.
Great tutorial, I will use this method for sure...Thanks
Excellent tips Kenny!
Very Nice ! Thanks 4 sharing
I've learned more from watching your videos than i have from hours and hours of pouring over the manual and other YT resources..... you DAMNED fast with that one hand shit... sometimes a little TOO fast.... but still... thank you can have more please?
Totally was following you despite the complexity of what you are explaining. :) What a great video!
Just a bit of jargon. At 8:20 - that's called bipolar vs unipolar LFOs. Bipolar goes negative or below the starting value. Unipolar "floors"
I love the CPU metaphor you used. I think it is completely that kind of mechanic for live jamming, jazz improv and knob twiddling. This is a great tip, I've done this army of LFOs on many pieces of gear with "amp volume" but this is a great idea with the sample start. Glad you are playing out. I just did my first tiny cafe sized show with my Digitakt (prepared patterns but not an arrangement) and had to practice a lot to know what patterns are which. I kind of played along on a keyboard and did a gapless jam (sort of). Doing this with the OT (for me) is going to take more practice (for me). Getting there! Live looping is fun (for analog-ish sound jams -- like lofi with acoustic sources). Need to get faster with it. :)
Chris Dillon nice job taking the dive and performing with the octatrack! I still haven’t had many opportunities to do my “jam” setup for a live show, but hopefully soon, so I can really see what works. Til then I’ll probably do some live streams soon on my IG. What’s helpful about this particular technique to me is that it’s so widely applicable that you can pretty much use it to liven up any flex machine. Hopefully once I can standardize a starting setup it will reduce some of the confusion that comes from having so many options :)
Good stuff man, thanks
Love it - so inventive. Thank you!
happy to listen you again ;-)
Glad you enjoy it, thanks for following/watching! Glad to be back :D
When using a random wave on an lfo I think it does in fact repeat that randomisation over the trigs,as long as your lfo length is shorter than the pattern length,does with note anyways pretty sure same with start/slice point
This is gold
Excellent, thank you for sharing
Thanks for watching!
This is such a great tip thanks for sharing
I'll be trying this and tying the interesting lfo values to some scenes. Should be interesting. Now if only those kids will give me a few free minutes!
How is it going ?? And how are the kids ???
Superb. Thank you
You could assign the speed changes to a different scene
thanks for sharing. keep up. cheers.
Interesting. 👍
thank you!
Why not use the arranger to switch patterns?
Couldn't you set a second LFO to very slowly move the speed value of the 1st LFO?
You can but if it’s synced to tempo (via trig/sync/trig) it resets at the 1. If it’s free then you can’t set the variations to sync on the 1
TRIG SYNC TRIG FUNCTION???
Nice one again. :)
But, one thing, in general, I came her to learn about the gear, enjoy your video, not to hear you complaining about why you hadnt posted in any time you think that is appropriate. If you want to make it a bit reality TV, tell smth else. ;) Smaller not constantly feeded channels, with their creators complaning why they arent constantly feeded, are worse then smaller not constantly feeded channels. ;)
Thanks for the vid, keep going!
Haha thanks for the encouragement! Easy to fall into that habit in speaking because it's the relationship I perceive with viewers, but I appreciate that you and probably most people don't mind. I guess we are pretty flooded with content these days, so I shouldn't feel pressured to be constantly updating like that. If this is to be a collection of findings, it won't matter what intervals it comes out at :)
I do this on the #digitakt
I like using retrigs and start points for that mucky time wasting drag.
Could you elaborate? I still haven't really explored retrig a lot because it seems I always end up with very glitchy results.
@@KennyZhao I think its key to use very small values for smoother, reliable play backs. It does have a tendency to be quite glitch in larger values. Some wealth for boom bap, ip-hop, and house in low values.
I like to use placed trigs for RTrG, with an Lfo or two modulating for some variation on the repeats. I think I target start point in one, and I think I have an lfo targeting lfo also. I was able to render pretty clean polyrhythms (?)
I don't know enough about it yet to be very definitive tho.
I also have a strong tendency to work in low tempo, usually below 60bpm. I then rely on delays and RTrG's to wake the tempo to heel.
@@KennyZhao i use retrigs on hihats to get a kind of triplet sound.. just set to 3 or 6 retrigs :)