Himiway's Upcoming Electric Bike Lineup | CES 2024
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- While at CES 2024, Rob talks with Himiway's Todd Fisher to learn about the 10 electric bikes being added to the company's lineup this year.
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It's nice to see you guys covering more E-bikes. I would love to see you get a hold of the new Nanotech Graphene cells. They claim that they are fireproof cells and charge 18x faster.
I learned a long time ago to ignore ALL new battery tech claims. You are being so gullible believing their BS. It’s one thing creating something in a lab. It’s totally different to bring something to market that is a superior value. By the time they come out with solid state, Li-Ion will have progressed in energy density, charge time, and cost so much so that solid state batteries will only be used in extremely limited applications. Maybe electric jets. They will be very expensive.
For some reason when he mentioned it's a 9-speed and compared it to the 7 and 8 speeds that are common on the market, it made me think of Spinal Tap. "Our amps go up to 11!"
12 is pretty standard now. When 11-speed came out (campagnolo did it first) everyone was making that joke. 7-speed is terrible for these bikes, not because you need more gears but because it uses a freewheel that creates a longer moment arm on the rear axle. The difference between 8 and 9 is slight at this point. From a long term cost perspective, 8 is probably a sweet spot for most casual e-bike customers as it will have the greatest availability and lowest cost without durability issues.
🙋♂️ THANKS ROB,TODD AND MUNRO …FOR THE LATEST ON E-BIKES 👍💚💚💚
Bike mechanic here. There’s a lot of elements overlooked here including ignoring foot overlaps terrible suspension, would not function well, with the potential to create incredible unnecessary leverage on the chain, the cable routing is an after thought, sometimes dangerously so like the rear brake. We could get into frame design and the ridiculous fork specs but this, like most new e bike companies is a little vc money with zero experience. Bike components are a challenging eco-system where there’s such refinement that innovation needs to really be a game changer. It’s doable from a first principles approach, like de-integrating the expensive and cheap parts off wheels, or integrating hardliners into frame components. There’s a lot to come over from cars but everyone just makes unserviceable proprietary fancy paint jobs
Excellent review
Very true. Those ebikes looks questionable at least,very cheap stuff at not so cheap money. My good that full suspension double crown looks like a pregnant whale from 2 miles away and suspension design seems something else hehehe.
Used bike and ebike market is crazy now,tons of covid bikes around looking for some action and dealers full of last year bikes.
I do not see this brand interesting,there are tons of cheap bikes brands already with far more mature product than this.Bike industry is very complex,crazy competitive and saturated of good and bad products.
I would like to see the option to have internally geared hub with the mid-drive. I find with a mid drive internally geared hubs like Enviolo or Nexus and the belt drive really make a better ride plus saves the worry of chains breaking. All in all a mid drive paired with internally geared hubs makes for the best set up. At least for me.
$15,000?!?! JFC
These bikes look awesome! They are quite different than other common bikes in the market.
4:18 nice in the new cells and the new Tektro brakes. And good notes on thr battery and motor.
For those prices, I would like serial numbers on the parts and an embedded GPS tracker for theft recovery.
Own a couple of Himiways and love them
Are the batteries ULI certified?
That Himiway Rambler (V2 or whatever it's name's going to finally be) really interests me. I feel that the full suspension in a commuter is a missed opportunity by so many e-bike manufacturers. Apparently very few designers have actually driven around cities in urban areas to see all the unevenness of sidewalks and roadways!
Where's it made? Chins?
15k holy shit
in my country with 15k you can live well for an entire 24 months. In russia bike ride you.
People can spend that on a mountain bike with no motor and no battery! (not me though!) There's a YT video of $27500 ... no motor.
Hi! Where to buy in Europe ??
thanks 4 video
Nice upgrades. I'm on the fence with mid drives because to save components like the chain and chain ring and motor parts, you have to do a lot of shifting when coming to stops and such.
The line continues to get blurrier as the wear components are becoming more durable on mid drive, and the responsiveness of wheel drive is getting better. Integrating more expensive parts in to the rear wheel is a bit of an issue, but I bet that we will see the rim spokes and outer hub shell become their own distinct component from the hub motor, and rear wheel drive bikes will become much more prevalent, especially with some great re-gen braking options being developed that may spread to electric motorcycles because they are so unique. I found this particularly promising: ua-cam.com/video/ISIvfcoY4CQ/v-deo.html
I want to see electric trikes for seniors.
Would love to see a review of the Dost bikes with their Gates carbon belts and interesting CVT vs traditional gearing. New tech that I'm super interested in.
Have heard that DOST went bankrupt & left a lot of customer orders unfulfilled. Is that wrong info? Otherwise, supposed to be good bikes.
what would the cost per bike from an unknown low-volume company be to pay for a display at CCS?
Lots!
Cool bikes, salesman needs some tips.
14:11 the d5 is nice. Throttle is included on thins as well. Need that to be competitive on the road with cars. Only a Tesla or three like can beat you off the line and they get to 25 mph pretty fast!
Nice bikes, review and video, thanks!! Hi Sandy!
Kindness is Always Free, The Highlander😊
Nice E-bikes cheers guys
They need to make an adult trying cycle version for older folks like me.
Not only are these people insane, they still think that our power grid puts out 110 volts to the outlet like it did in 1970. Outlets have been putting out 120 volts ac for at least 30 years. You would think that someone who is selling an electric product would understand that most basic facts.
And they want us to pay $15,000, he is completely insane!
I can buy a used Tesla Model 3 from Hertz for $16000. 😅
"buy a used Tesla Model 3 from Hertz for $16000"
is that true? where/how can that be done?
I checked Hertz car sales and cheapest I found was $28k for a base model 3. Still, good point.
@@stevematthews4489 they are probably gone now, but there was a page of them priced at $20K before $4K rebate
There's no point picking their most expensive model and quoting that as if you have to pay that kind of money. You can pay that for a top spec mountain bike with no motor or battery! (if you are crazy enough)
Afternoon guys
Why are we still seeing exposed wires and cables on modern e-bikes? Come on Munro guys…educate these manufacturers!
Why does that matter?
At least you'll be cheaper of with a repair, any of those built in cable models are a pain to work on. Often for just a simple display replacement , I have to charge 50-80$ in labor just because it takes so long to reroute the cables.
Bicycle frame Engineers: Build a e-bike Frame for BDR long distance Touring. (Mid drive), dual battery capable, has a payload capacity of400+lbs. and a compact cargo bike too :)
3:24 torque sensor has some problems on the road.
A few extra cells are cheaper than building a carbon fiber frame.
Todd for sure plays the bongos
👍👍
Question: Why don’t we see many AWD hub motor e bikes?
Its heavy and inefficient
50 mile range on the new Urban Cruiser really makes no sense as a new bike with a 2400.00 price. Good luck.
The original cobra with cobra pro upgrades for $500 less. 🤔 Maybe
Himiway looking to challenge the big boys in mountain ebikes! Their prices are not out of line with other competitors of similarly equipped ebikes.
Exactly. Same ole, same ole. Different assembler. That’s all
The prices seem outrageous? Was that one bike not $10-15K !?!?!? Who is this for?
@@Eternalspring22 ... some people spend that on a watch!
This makes the 2000watt full suspension e-bike from Wired look like a screaming deal for $2000.
Rode the Wired the weekend before last. it just didn't feel right. If you just want to go fast, go for it. If you want to feel like you're riding a bike? Not so much.
6:05 lots of proprietary products so it may scare some folks away due to repairability
and I thought an e-bike at $2-2.5k is high end. These are nice but a tiny bit better than the competitors
Kudos to them for designing their own frames because the overseas provided market is so same same it's just boring.
Exec Summary: Rob from Munro wants a couple of new e-bikes, so he makes an infomercial using Munro's name to grift Hemenway to get them.
Hi Folks !! Just saying : This is the Himiway or the highway !! :-)
What are they scared to make trikes for a different group. Hell the price tags they got we see more variety
These bikes look promising. I will say to these guys what I've been saying forever and that is, stop being a glorified assembler and take the approach of Tesla. Rethink from the ground up and go vertically integrated. Until someone does that and drives the cost down by an order of magnitude, I will continue to sit on the sideline and will probably never purchase one of these bikes. My biggest gripe is the chain and derailleur. This is ridiculous. You need internal gears. At the very least, a belt drive with just 3 gears. That is all you should need. Nine gears is overkill. I know there is a challenge introducing the belt on a carbon fiber frame. Figure it out. You could use a titanium sleeve bolted on, but of course it would have to be a point of strength, not failure. That's why I like the idea of internal gears. Dynamic Bicycle used to have the tech. Not sure why they went out of business, but it wasn't because their bikes were junk. They just didn't catch on. Get rid of all hub drives and everything you wouldn't drive yourself. Just work on getting that $15K bike down to $1500 and you will have yourself a growing business. Until then, I'll pass.
Chain / derailleur are incredibly efficient, you’re welcome to tell us a more efficient system.
Laws need to change in order for this stuff to be used on scale. Currently, tech is growing faster than what laws can keep up with. Look at electric scooters and electric unicycles. The speeds on these can be as high as 45mph if not greater when looking at scooters. States like California are already trying to make these illegal.
Whatever you’re smoking, I want some.
Pineon already makes a belt drive with internal transmission
So nothing then. Cluelessness confirmed.
For 15k I could by 3-4; 30-40ah, 1200w motor ebikes. They could go 80miles without pedaling wtf is this.
To put in perspective my 10ah 500w motor ebike gets 15-20 miles on throttle alone and up to 60 depending on how much you pedal. It was $500 on sale or $1200 like two years ago at full price. These guys are way behind the other companies...
I agree, their pricing is insane.
To be fair they’re probably better engineered, but most people don’t actually care and will buy the much cheaper Chinese equivalent.
Dakar has me watching ebikes
Nice bikes but I don't see a lot of innovation or engineering here. Contract manufactured in China and sent via container?
Would you spend $13k on a bicycle or a motorcycle? I'm going for the latter.
Nobody but nobody is going to pay trek / specialized prices for a Himiway!
Only 1 thing i can give credit for were credit is due is going regular size tores and rims not those bulky fat tire pieces of trash.
COMICAL. $15000.00 DOLLARS???? Forgetaboutit!!!
I can attest that quality is a major issue with Himiway
Have had my Himiway Cruiser for 4 years, and it's still going strong even though I have beaten the hell out of it.
Good that they didn't choose Bosch, their batteries are unreliable and their bikes won't run on any other batteries. You never know which cells they will put inside, and a "500 Wh" is barely 460Wh to start with. If you're really unlucky you'll find 30Q samsung cells, making only a 420Wh pack.
What wonderful eye candy!
Are they all theft proof?
range anxiety… sum…
I wouldn't buy a torque-sensor bike. I enjoy cadence sensors very much.
I will sell you my himiway with cadence sensor if you buy me the same one with torque. I bought this in December rode it 143 miles and hated the cadence sensor.
You can buy Rimac bike for that amount of money!! Crazy.....
This was painful to watch. The interviewer seemed extremely ignorant of the subject. The Monroe group should speak with Grin or spend a few hours on endless-sphere to actually become slightly proficient in the subject matter.
Who would be that brain dead to buy a 6.000-13.000$ Fully from a no name brand like Himiway, who are known for their bad cutomer service!? These bike have to be maintained. Don't expect a qualified bike shop to put a hand on one of these bikes. 😂
The Zebra with the mid drive for under 1999$, thats what makes sense.
Have had good experiences with Himiway customer service. Am interested in the Zebra Pro and the A7 Pro. Agreed, though, that I would look at Specialized Turbo Levo if I wanted to spend more $$$ on an amazing e-mtn bike.
@@tonygiancoli9626 The Turbo Levo etc. are nice, but you get so many nice fullys from big brands for around 5000$. The Specialized is close to top end, it’s just not necessary.
Go for the Zebra Pro, get yourself a Suntour NCX suspension seatpost. It’s easy to maintain yourself and if it is done, just buy a new one for under 100$. The cheapest, easiest and best way to get a comfortable ride.
suspension on ebikes is Very poor - front forks are usually trash and will get U hurt
Wood is not a good material for bicycles. Plastic is waterproof
Carbon fiber and 50lbs? You are outdated before you even put it on sale.
And next to that one, you built an expensive downhill bike and put an electric motor on it.... I question all your business decisions now
These are giant hunks of shit. E-bikes for people who have no clue about bikes. If your battery dies and you encounter an incline, god help you.
If your battery dies, you overestimated how far you could travel on a charge. That's on you. Not the ebike.
Himiway = Chinese
I didn’t hear this mentioned in your video, )maybe I just missed it).
Thanks but no thanks.
How much does it cost for this infomercial?
Oh, I hope this channel doesn’t become a QVC of every Chinese brand. It’s trying to make yet another boring E bike.
I don’t feel yourself because this dude is an American. I have a friend who’s started up an electric golf cart company and even though he designed it ended up getting made it a Chinese factory, and they basically change the entire designed to fit their manufacturing.
I can just look at the components on this thing and see it’s mostly low quality parts
Chinesium
Can we order a torque sensor to replace the cadence sensor?😊
Full "Supspension" 🤣I guess I'll avoid Himiway, they can't even spell
As per elon. Hydronic brakes add cost, add weight. I won’t buy this
I'm going to spend my money on guns.
Why would anyone buy that bs?!
5000$ bicycle .facepalm
Over priced and hyped and under powered. How much does a display or battery cost when break it. Ya thats what i thought.
ebikes made in the US are worthless.. Stupid 750W max laws, where in the hell did they even come from? I'll keep riding my "toy" electric unicycles, thank you very much.. 3000 watts is the minimum you need for a functional PEV..