I'm not a railroad modeller or even into trains at all but I like your videos anyway. It is nice seeing someone dedicated to their hobby and doing something they enjoy. I also like your humor!
I've installed Kadees on most of my stock Charlie but some great ideas here for closer coupling on coaches and to buy some NEM pockets off Ebay. No wonder your YT Channel has so many subscribers as it's just so darn helpful and is presented in such a friendly and disarming manner. Thank you so much. William
Very nice Charlie very informative , I love your variations to the hobby on certain items , keep posting the videos please they’re very useful to all modelers , thank you .
I started to fit the keen system to my mk3s about a year ago. After quite a bit of surgery I encountered clearance issues between the wheel flanges and the kinematic coupling. With more effort I'm sure they can be made to work. I parked the project at that point and instead have bought some of the hunt couplings which I've not yet fitted. Up to this point I've run my HSTs with the powered car pushing the train. Its not ideal but sure helps with that nasty gap. Freight is a whole separate problem as you demonstrated. Those oxfords, blimey! Not tried any of their stuff yet. Cheers
Hi Richard, I had a text from Chris Hunt (Hunt Couplings) asking for a chat regarding my disappointment with my HST coupling gaps. I measured the gap at a little over 4mm and he will make me another set with a 2mm gap. I left my Keen Mk3s unopened, being yet another “sometime” job. The Oxford clearances were shocking. I just can’t understand why folks that do reviews have never mentioned it. Stay safe mate, regards Charlie.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Interesting, I guess the issue is navigating the curves. I have a mix of 3rd and 4th radius so will be interesting to see how you get on. Was aware of the gap on oxford mk3s but not those carflats. Shocking as you say! I'm safe & well, hope the same applies to you, cheers
Thank you for the coupling video. I have used the Fleischmann Proffi couplings in my fixed rakes of coaches, they go straight into a NEM pocket to be used with the "close coupling mech"
Thanks Charlie for the information and of course the live theatre entertainment as usual. Cheered me up no end as I struggle with my coupling issues. Just spent 3 hours sorting out/modifying the NEM pocket height issue on a brand new Bachman Prairie. These things are sent to try us!
Hi Charlie, thank you for your interest in our Hunt Couplings, they were primarily designed to make uncoupling easy and offer reliability in operation with inclines, helix's and push operations. The hst clip sets we do have been designed to work with layouts with second radius curves or helix's and double back on second radius, It has been a minefield and hornby on some models have altered the position of the pin in the coupling on the bogie therefore we have had to design the HST clip set to cater for both, we do do a HST CLOSE CLIP SET but due to hornby's bogie design these are only designed for radius 4 curves and greater, we will pop a set in the post for you to look at. Regarding strength they were tested for upto 14 coaches on a three tier helix, the locomotive started wheel slipping at that point, Love the Tug Of War :-)
Loving the OO couplings. Most of my freight stock doesn't have NEM pockets and I am having to buy 3D printed ones (as also featured in Charlie's video) but this is no great hardship - comes with buying old job lots from ebay! I think you have the price point spot on - especially compared to some other manufacturers - and I intend to modify all my rolling stock and locomotives. Cheers.
Thanks Chris, and it was a great conversation we had earlier as well. Good luck with your project and I’ll let you know how I get on with the new couplings, regards Charlie
Hello Charlie. Just to advise that if your site doesn't register all of the 'hits' from people watching, at least here in Canada, I watch your videos via our apple t.v. UA-cam is included on their streaming device, but as far as I have determined, I cannot add any comments or click on any icons while watching on my t.v. set. (only on my computer). I do enjoy your self deprecating sense of humour , but you have provided many great ideas. One of your videos was regarding ballasting and sound transmission through the baseboard. Articles in Model Railroader mentions artists' polymer matte medium as it lasts longer than diluted white glue and gives some flexibility to the track and ballast while some sound deadening qualities . However like many things, there seems to be pros and cons when choosing it over white glue (including the best way to remove it if necessary). Cheers. Ed.
Hello Charlie,no....not here to knock you this time! A very incisive addition to your videos..I like many others bought a lot of Mr.Keens couplings for a previous layout and found they work very well indeed not only on RTR but a three set brass kit rake of Southern coaching stock-a real bugger to fit,but in the end,got em! I too go with you on the 'HUNT' ones and will refit all my rolling stock with them.Thanks once more for an hours worth of good, interesting entertainment.Best wishes,Larry in Gloucester.
Charlie - another great video! When watching, I feel like you are our own personal train professor! I love magnets, glad they are being used more and more for different model train applications! I am doing my first model train layout and am using earth magnets for my lift up bridge to keep it in place and also for underlayments for steep slopes by DCC Concepts.
Hi Charlie, just a follow up with the couplings. I use black chenille about 10 mm diameter. Drill 2 holes 1.5 mm in the top and base of the edge of the doorways in the centre, cut the chenille and bend it in so it sticks out a little top and bottom. You do this to both mating ends ,it doesn’t catch on anything and shows no gap at any angle. I use this on modern Bachmann coaches using the supplied brake pipe type coupling. Hopefully this helps. I bought a big bag of the chenille on e bay.
Hi Charlie Another informative and fun video, thanks, you may have solved a problem I have with my layout. I’d get a derailment on a bend, instinctively I've gone to track fault, which on a couple was the cause; I had not considered buffer lock. That will be the phone then, I instinctively went to grab my phone (same ring tone), its all good fun. Keep up the good work and stay safe.
Brilliant video Charlie Think Gibs Onethirty sums it up well - Kadees are my preferred couplings because of the 'Hands Free' operation and push shunting.... Keep up the excellent work, stay safe & well.......... Regards, Nigel at west hatton model railway.
Have you tried the Hornby magnetic couplers ? From what I can see on photos there are two magnets each side which I assume will eliminate the rejection problem. And a problem WILL arise if a return loop is on the layout and consists are spilt in either direction.
Morning Charlie, on the 'Hunt' Couplings, did you discover the modifrication made to the Hose pipe coupling to the effect that the contacting faces 'ROTATE' to suit the magnetism of each coupling to hold and not repel. I think they are around 19 GBP bag for HST /Close Coupling. When this Lockdown Lunacy is over I'll be looking at an order. I had the same problem with not enough hold on the magnets I got (1mm) 100 of them so I turned them into MU Cables, glued one to the loco connecter point and one each of a fine Orange wire about an inch long. looks good and took care of surplus stock
I wonder, I don't have Helixes down here, (sorry, just one, in the middle of the North Island), I have an idea, if your couplings a letting go on the inside of the helix, it could be that the heads of the coupling are not TWISTING in relation to the two coaches. Got an idea that might work? cut the coupling off the shank, the 'face-up' the two surfaces, drill down the centre of the shaft so that the head/knuckle swivels. It's going to take a bit of experimental strength testing. pinhead in knuckle jaws and rest of pin down shaft, when everything is working, heat end of pin with soldering iron to fix in place n the shaft and the head swivels. Necessity is the mother of convenience or something similar...I'll let you know
Hi Charlie,Des from Down Under.Enjoyed your video once again.I tend to use a mixture of coupling types.Haviing started,or should I say restarted,I use Roco close coupling/Nem pockets system components on my stock.I tend to use the Roco close coupler for passenger stock (Hornby use a very similiar coupler,but it is a bit bigger(HO as opposed to OO)For goods stock I have converted a lot of my British outline to the Roco type of coupler assembly .At present I have been looking at the Hunt system and also those Bachmann/Earth Magnet type of system you have described very well,the only disadvantage I can see over here the cost is expensive.My HST has been converted on the engine to a close coupling system used by Roco as a spare part which is available as a spare part.and it works well.I do like the system you have used with the earth magnets/Bachmann coaching bar.Hope I have not been too long winded,but in conclusion I would love a a world wide universal coupling system that would be acceptable to all...............yes i know I'm dreaming.kindest regards Des.
Great video again Charlie. I bought some of the hunt couplings recently, pretty pleased with them - a few don't fit well in certain NEM sockets but this is likely down to different manufacturers so need a spot of glue, and some of the magnets came out of their housings which was disappointing for the price paid - still a bit of glue fixed this too. The only downside is needing the polarity to be a certain way for it to work so trains need to be set up the right way round for a loco, but not a massive issue and a big improvement on the standard Hornby / Dapol etc. Thanks, Tom
Thanks Charlie, love the magnets idea but if you do any switching it is not going to be easy. I decided to go with Kadees (metal, for strength) on my HO for looks and operation. Now on my n scale I use Microtrains couplers. But plan on going to their True scale for unit trains. Thanks for sharing....Jack 👍👍👍
Hi Charlie. Another interesting and entertaining video though a slightly confusing title.....surely you have already established in video 81 that the best NEM couplings are Kadees. What you are really looking at are kinematic coupling mounts and the best couplers to use with them. In this case you should really be looking at the Roco and Fleischmann close coupling types which have been easily available in the UK for over 30 years. Hornby also offer a near identical copy of the Roco type. I can only think of one advantage Hunt couplings would have over either of the types above: Coupling on curves. Both Roco and Fleischmann types can be 'disengaged' and used for shunting in the same way that a Kadee can. The Keen System coupling mounts are really designed to be retro fit kinematic systems and used with any NEM pocket coupling and not just the Keen 'knuckle'. These mounts should really have been put onto the Hornby HST in your video and then could have been used with the Hunt NEM, Bachmann bar or the Roco types - or any other number. If you have not had experience of Roco or Fleischmann close couplers I would urge you to seek some out. They are not the answer to everything - but for rakes of coaches or wagons with kinematic mounts (at the correct height), I think they are great. Stay safe - I'm off for a look at your new ballasting video now.
An interesting point Andrew, which is much appreciated. The problem with couplings, is of course that there are so many different sorts that it is so difficult to cover them all in these videos. I’ve tended to go for the most common sorts that my followers use having listened to their requests. Stay safe mate regards Charlie
Great video, some really good info for me and my rolling stock, thank you. I use Fleischmann Profi & Roco couplings, I agree with you those Hornby HST couplings are horrendous! I would be interested if you ever looked at adding coach bellows as well...perhaps a future vid...!?
Very interesting. Wondering if you would have seen a NEM extender that gets left on a individual cars? A short plug male/female, that just extends the length on one car? The issue I have is with Fleischmann cars and engines going around some curves with the bumpers coming into contact on the inside of the curve and lifting the inner wheels off the track. This happens only with certain combinations of cars and engines but is consistent to their use. The next step would be to dissect two dozen couplers to insert spacing plugs. Thoughts? Ideas? PM
Yes Patrick, buffer clash can be a real problem on tight curves. However, I have never heard of a system of extending the NEM coupler. Clearly a coupling with a longer shaft is what is required or perhaps shortening of the buffer stocks. Regards Charlie
Another great update,it’s a minefield now with so much choice,I’ve just got some Hunt couplings to try out.Spratt and Winkle,the look that followed was straight out of a Carry on film,keep it up and all the best 😂👍
Charlie, On Finescale stock you need sprung buffers to stop buffer lock around tight radius curves. Also they need to be fitted with very soft springs so the buffers are moving as soon as they touch. I remember we all used to use very soft black sponge plugs to fit into the corridor connectors, to hide the gap completly. There was an article in the 60's in the magazine Modal Railway News on how to make and dress the outside of the plug to look like a bellow's connector. Still it keeps us in our bubbles. Next week I might put my toe outside the front door. Cheers, Chris Perry.
Hi Charlie, thank you for another interesting and informative Video! Your channel is one of my favorites on UA-cam! All the best to you and your family! Best wishes from Germany Günter
I absolutely LOVE this video. While I am in the US and I know I have made a comment on the previous video about Kadees and my dislike of the uncoupling pin (I have had just too many cause issues at times) I do still like them over other US knuckle options we have here (I really love Rapido MacDonald Cartier ones overall they just do not have spares for sale that I know of) although I do wish the US would use NEM pockets instead. So much easier to change things around. Although I wanted to say that this episode gave me quite a few ideas for how to couple 24' ore cars with a drawbar (will need modifications for using some of what you have shown but I think it would not be super difficult). Some of the railroads would use them in 4 car sets with drawbars on the middle cars. Well done video and thank you for the excellent ideas!! Happy modeling, John
Thanks for another great video. An alternative coupling mechanism is the German Ribu system It consists of a KKK box with adjustable height mounted NEM box. (The KKK is Kurzkupplingkinematic, not the US version!) The box simply is glued to the chassis, great for Hornby coaches with bogie mounted couplings removed. Priced a little high but they work well.
So many options out on the market these days in relation to couplings. I will be getting rid of the tension lock coupling on my models and was previously going to go to kadee couplings. Having said that some of these cheaper alternatives are growing on me. A great video Charlie and all the best, Clint
Great video Charlie, I have used the home made magnet on the cut pipe system for about 5 years now on most of my coach stock, occasionally it comes out of the fiddle yard a couple of coaches short of a rake but rarely, and it’s cheap and looks right. I would not use it for rakes of more than 9 coaches though.
Hi. Hornby Maunsell coaches come with the kinematic system and the Roco style Close couplings. You can also mix one Hornby with one Roco to get them even closer. Why didn’t you cover the Roco couplings? As I replied to your other video I love the Shapeways couplings on wagons. Keep safe Alec
@@ChadwickModelRailway With the height difference between some of those coupler heads that's no surprise, as all euro close couplers allow lifting the wagons out of the consist. Any height difference outside tolerances will result in unplanned decoupling
I use the Fleischmann Profi couplings. Rolling stock with NEM-short coupling pockets only. Looking sort of OK, technical, not actually realistic and even perhaps a bit agricultural. But they do the job well, carriages can be lifted out of a train like with KaDee's. Uncoupling is mechanical, plastic, no magnetic touch to it. Cheap, I have lots of loco's and carriages. Yet, this is for the continental trains. For the fewer British stuff I have ( Smaller lay out ) I'm considering Kadee. Partly because of your vid on these. Looking great, curious to see how they work for me.
Hi Charlie just watched your video on couplings I have got mainly tension lock but have got 2 different liveries of Bachmann mk2 coaches with the vacuum pipe ones but for my mk2 Bachmann I might try the hunt magnetic as they look so much better and I might even eventually try them on my hst’s if you don’t mind me asking where did you purchase the hunt couplings from my Friday night UA-cam viewing sorted with coffee jammie dodgers and chadwick Best wishes Kev Beighton Parkway
Hi Charlie, great video as usual. I have used the Bachman pipe couplings and neomagnets as you used. Never thought of doing what you did with them. The hunt coupling magnets look to have a larger surface area which is possibly why they have more attraction. Anyway, I run 6 coach sets so will try your idea.
Hi Charlie, I use kadee couplings on everything. That said I do model Australian outline. Have you like looked at there scale head sized kadee’s? Cheers, Bill (from down under)
A little late to the party on this one, but what I've found to be the most effective coupling options for me is as follows: I use the Keen replacement coupler plate / assembly on the brake ends of all my Bachmann MK1/MK2 coaches as this puts the NEM pocket at the correct height & location for using Kadee couplers. I also use the Keen assembly when inserting Hornby coaches into the middle of a rake of Bachmann coaches. I believe the latest Bachmann coaches have the NEM pocket at the correct location now, but I've not been able to verify. I use the standard Bachmann vacuum hose on internal couplers, as my rakes are mostly permanent and once on the board, they do not come off... although, I may look into the Hunt couplers going forward. Everything else, is generally a Kadee #18, as I've found this to be the best fit... with the exception of the Dapol Turbot wagons. Like the Oxford carflats, a standard coupler does not give an acceptable distance between the cars. Dapol however, did include a very short coupling bar that is similar to the Bachmann intermodal coupler, for coupling the Turbots together. I use a Kadee 17 at the ends where the Turbots connect to other stock, and when coupled to a Kadee 18, it provides a reasonably close couple. I have used the full Keen system on a rake of Hornby Colletts and GWR Centenary coaches with varying degree's of success.
Many thanks, Derek, for such an interesting comment. I have in fact removed all of my keen couplings. I find that using the Hunt couplings a much more reliable commodity. With my fix rakes I use the Bachman type hose, with a magnetic coupling midway, to assist with maintenance. Regards, Charlie.
Hi Charlie, great video for magnet issues i.e north,north,south,south redling each other if you use a ball magnet on one end of a a coupling it will stick to the north or south poles oand even each other and offers some compliance. On the test you did at the end the failiure was more that rotationanl force through the coupling rather tha a streight pull which is not (prototypical) oops
I do understand that the test was not fair because it wasn’t a straight pull. However, it was a fair test after all because that was she are putting pressure. And what I’ve written doesn’t make any sense at all!
Charlie - Have you tried using a kinetic coupling ROCO 40344 (cheaper on ebay) for a coach or wagon conversion. I have successfully done this on my H0 coaches but wouldn't know what's involved in converting 00 coaches - with the tension coupling.
@@ChadwickModelRailway My only challenge now is how to upgrade 40-50 year old stock away from the enormous drop links they have now! 🤔 If I get a good solution I'll let you know...😅
Edward Walton Bespoke You could try a combination; one drop link and a magnet each side, pairing with the next wagon to have a three link (with the blob in the middle being an instanter link).
Hi Charlie. Another great and informative video as usual, and my first comment to you too. Regarding the Modal (4)couplings I think these may designed for use on the Modern container wagons which run in fixed formations, and the 'inner' wagons have no buffers to lock. Just a theory as I have none. I'm currently experimenting with Hunt couplings and find they can be used for selective purposes i.e fixed rakes and quick to uncouple when required. Also although A & B markings are small to see, you'll find the 'A's are coloured Gold & the 'B's Silver. Hope this helps people.
I love watching your videos, and you’re probably my favourite channel I choose to watch. I would like to see more videos relating on the progress of your layout rather than renumbering locomotives and getting disappointed with the distance between your wagons. Saying that I would like it if you did a video on track cleaning as it would be really interesting to know what you use, and why. Kind regards Ian’s I I
I’ve gone with the hunt couplings and as they update their designs these have got closer so great results with HST close couplings though on the engines, one was loose due to tolerance discrepancies in the manufacturing. It did also catch part of the undercarriage so a little filing did the trick and this was reported to West Hill Wagon Works who were very obliging and sent me a couple more on my next order. Not as much luck with the hornby freight single screw on tension lock replacement types. The hole wasn’t a big enough diameter for the screw and trying to take this out about 0.2mm bigger resulted in it breaking through the surrounding material on two occasions. I was promised an updated product version foc but, that hasn’t happened despite two emails without a response, which is a shame. Loved your narration and video tutorial on the McKinley Railway shunters btw with the kadee cotton motorised uncoupling assembly with ESU programming. Dedication indeed and such a beautiful result.
Hi Charlie, great watchable video as always, I know you are more of a modern image modeller than me but Hornby do make kinematic couplers on the Maunsell coach stock. Hornby provide Roco couplers as well as tension lock for each coach and I've found that they work quite well, easy to split up just by lifting vertically. Cheers stay safe.
Excellent video explaining about couplers. Not trying to sound to bad, what do you mean by “first radius curve”? You did a great job showing how things work. Thanks for sharing. Ken
I model N gauge and regularly use the buck eye couplings sold by Fleischmann. Fleischmasnn also sell couplings that let you convert others wagons that don’e have the NEM type socket
Ok, help an old daft Yank's memory out, in the 1:1 units, is one buffer fixed, and the other one on a coil volute spring Or is that something that varies wildly depending on era, type of rolling stock, etc.?
You brits seem to be spoiled by choice but not quality or function. Kadees are by far the best. Another in depth, informative and entertaining video, well done sir!
G'Day Charlie. Mate what can I say, its a bloody minefield when it comes to couplings. Well presented as always, thanks. I think that is why I just stick to the one type, which is of course Kadee's. Yep even on coaches, to me its more about the reliability as well as the versatility of Kadee couplings. So far I've not seen another system that can allow the operator to uncouple and re-couple rolling stock at will on the layout without involving the "Hand of God" somwhere. At least with the kadee system you can use perma-magnets (or the electro) under the track anywhere you like and not even see where you have installed them (except for where you "Sign Post" your uncoupling spot). Or you can even go the rout like McKinley has with the "Auto coupling" with Kadee's. Can't say the same for the rest of them though.
Hi Charlie. Your homemade magnetic coupling will always fail first as the force being applied is vertical not horizontal (watch the coupling as the pull apart, the magnet lifts before separating). The hunt couplings line up perfectly with the strongest force of the magnet - horizontal.
im going with your prototype charlie, Bachmann pipe with earth magnets, as i have the bachmann pipes in my shed and the earth magnet arrive the other day, what glue did you use ? but also i believe the hunt hst couplings will fit hornbys mk2d coaches too, which i have a few of ,so ill give one coach a home made effort ,if unsuccessful hunts it will be as i think magnets is the way to go. another great and informative video.............tony
Another great video Charlie. Thank you for posting. Have you tried the Hornby 'Roco style' close couplings for NEM pockets? I find them really excellent and they also allow you to simply lift the rolling stock off the track too. I just bought a pack of 50 Roco close couplings from a well-known auction site for £44.50.
Hi Charlie, I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but I think if you're going down the route of semi-permanently coupled rakes, you could definitely get away with real miniature chain and brass hooks. Obviously more fidely and time consuming but they stay together very well and can easily adapt to imperfections and undulations in the track. Also, it allows you to keep the existing NEM pockets on the wagons, maybe the first and last in the train retaining original coupling to connect to locos.The main reason though is of course the looks - I don't think anything else compares for me.
I use the bachmann dmu couplers .they are similar to the continental type model couplers they are smaller profile,they couple closer for better scale distance and are easier to uncouple with a hand uncoupler such as a thin piece of hooked wire or a bamboo skewer with a notch cut in .they are approx 10 quid for pack of 10 which is a lot of money but they work well .
Thanks, Charlie, a detailed analysis. What are the forces during buffer-clash compared to the Hunt Coupling? Is there any mileage in having a spring on the Hunt to allow it to be closer than worst case requires, which makes it better for normal and nominal cases. And as to why your coupling was weaker than the Hunt version; firstly, accuracy of the 90• may mean your contact was not as square (hence binding over the whole area). Second is similar; your rod was an arc segment, so when pulled caused the mating surface to deviate from 90•, whereas the hunt version was straight. But interesting to compare, especially as you could chose to make your own to fit your curves, stock and expectations, rather than the Hunt version where two sizes fits all. (BTW, do they do a close couple HST set, which may improve your reported gap?). Finally, I wonder about three link couplings where the instanter lump is the magnets, but the basic link hangs free when not connected. Optimal appearance, close coupling, and if the link is made of springy metal, reduces the impact of buffer clash. All thoughts and royalties gratefully accepted!
@@ChadwickModelRailway Charlie, update. How much does the Hunt coupling rely on two magnets linking together, or would one magnet link to the metal of older tension locks (including the old Triang open loop and hook) You will have seen the new combined Hunt couplings, where the Hunt has a loop for the hook to grab; my thoughts came from the magnet part of the Hunt, which might provide good linking without the hook, if the D is metal. (ntersting; in case of buffer clash, the magent could release, and the hook keep the train linked; after a moment, chances are the magnet would recover link... Regards, Tom
I was looking forward to you putting up a video on these after asking you a little while ago. Thank you, great video, great advice as always...stay well
Thanks, Charlie - another great video. A few years ago, I "dabbled" in American outline N, using the "Microtrains" version of Kadee couplings. In the assorted forums I saw, some people had taken to using Z scale couplings on their N scale stock, for closer coupling. A silly question for the viewers: anybody tried N couplings with OO/HO stock for the same effect, and what results, please?
Hi Charlie, Thank you for an informative video... However, despite your best efforts, I will probably carry on using tension lock couplings as I find them cheap to buy (secondhand), easy to fit and very reliable. I don't much like NEM pockets but am stuck with a few newer wagons on which they are fitted...Most of my rolling stock being thirty to forty years old and came with my favorite couplings fitted as srandard. I am thinking about Spratt and Winkle, but probably will not make the change now.
Hi Charlie another great video mate I have stared work on my models of BR mk2c tso converting them from old lima mk2b and also building working colour light gantrys I really enjoyed the video mate stay safe and well mate goodbye for now clive
Can NEM Couplings fit inside gear boxes that horn hooks or knuckle couplers swivel inside of? Example: I have some old rolling stock that has gear boxes built into the frames or the bogies and was wondering if a NEM coupling would fit inside there and click into place on the other side, or would I need a NEM gear box specifically? I'm trying to get a tension lock style train from Bachmann to work with kadee rolling stock and am having an extreme amount of trouble trying to problem solve this coupling issue.
Im glad we on same page this time,last was not good for me. My old layout is 30ftx 2.....so no real way to expand it...need the other foot for me! Keep it up!
I thought I had coupler problems. You guys sure have more than we do in the states. Either way it is horrible how much things such as this’d costs so very much. Since I left n scale modeling I had Rapido paddle couplers. Fast forward and now day’s we have knuckle couplers. About time I took my break Kadee was relatively new. They commanded a high price. Good video. Take care and this will be nonsense some be over soon.
Hello Charlie, I'm not a railway modeller, but I have found the coupler discussion fascinating. I have seen on UA-cam Ree magnetic couplings which look very effective, but you make no mention of them. But like you say, there are so many variations out there, you could write a book on the subject. Best wishes!
Hi Finlay, I do own a set of magnetic couplings I use them on both my Pullman cars, and a set of Mark two coaches. They do seem very efficient. However, on my freight stock the KD’s win every time. Regards Charlie
Great video as always Charlie. To answer your question about how much it would cost to 3D print a coupling. You would want to print it with an FDM (Filament) printer, not the MSLA (liquid resin) printer. The cost of filament varies, but a good rule of thumb is about US$20 per kg (between £18-£20 per kg). I've done replacement couplings for the Eurostar, and they run a fraction of a penny per coupling, and those are a bit bigger than a normal NEM coupling. Couplings are definitely a problem that nobody has really nailed down yet. I've actually had about 2000+ or so small magnets laying around for various projects (including couplings) for the better part of a year. I don't really see the point of static couplings. You can get about 100-200 small magnets from Amazon for under $10, so I'm pretty sure I can 3D print functional magnetic couplings for between 3p and 7p each (with the magnet in it). As for those Bachmann drawbar couplings, you can produce something much better for about a half penny in material per coupling. Stay tuned to my channel, I'm almost done with the Trackside3D website updates, so that will free up my time to wrap up the umpteen 3D printing projects I have on the go :)
@@ChadwickModelRailway Will do. I just wrapped up my kids' synthetic ice rink (for hockey) in the basement at 3am this morning. Also means I have somewhere to air brush now. So I'm off to grab breakfast and then its full steam ahead on model railway projects. I'll keep you updated. :)
Hi Charlie, loved your approach re close coupling. For me the lack of them on UK layouts in N or OO is a constant irritation especially when there are alternatives available. As a European N gauge modeller I am spoilt as all rolling stock except some very rare examples has had NEM sockets and close coupling mechanisms for years. Keep up the great work. Your videos are helpful and inspirational. I would love to show you the results but there does not seem to be a link to allow me to upload any photos.
Hi Charlie. Another great video, unlike you I suspected that the rare earth magnets would come a close second. I run up to 12 coach trains using that method but if the engine jerks in afraid that it isn't unusual to have a division. On my HST I'm using Kadee couplings albeit superglued in place. As I don't want to 'shunt' my HST I cut off the auto coupling rods. As an aside, I was surprised to see that you have buffers on your Mk 3 coaches. Then I looked at mine ......... That's a job for this afternoon then!
1952TonyC Is it not true that the Mk3 on the HST have no buffers, but those that are loco hauled do have the buffers? Makes buffer clash easier to avoid on HST sets, of course, as it’s only the corridor that touches. Not the colour of the corridor made the gap more noticeable, hence the need for black. And a small foam filler to stop light leak?
I have spoken with Chris Hunt this afternoon. The owner of Hunt Couplings. He is going to send me another set of HST couplings with a smaller gap between coaches. My gap was 4 mm and he intends to reduce it to 2. I’ll keep you posted Tony.
Tom Lawton, you know what annoys me? I used to know the difference between the various coaches and particularly between mk3 and mk3a, blessed if can remember now! In any event. BR (W) HSTs certainly has no buffers either on coaches or power cars.
Another excellent video review. I remember seeing the 3 link coupling video and thinking they looked amazing. I have operated exhibition layouts with sprat and winkle couplings and they are ideal for shunting wagons with strategic magnets placed in the track. Keen couplings I've experienced are very good, a bit fiddly to get spot on but worth it in the end. The kadee couplings are probably the best prototypical looking and with a vast variety available, there is something for most needs. I'm glad you fitted a set of Hunt (careful how you say that) couplings to a HST. I was going to get a few sets but I won't bother now. A note on the HST though, the new mk3s have nem pockets wether that would make any difference...... Thanks again
Hmmm, thanks Charlie for an excellent video! In fact I quite enjoy ALL your videos - I seem to feel I am sitting there with you in your railway room and talking about stuff! These Hunt Couplings - would love to try them out on some Bachmann coaching stock I have with the kinematic devices, but problematic on some curves on my layout...... cannot seem to find them here in Canada, where I am. I may resort to using the Bachmann pipe type couplings modified with earth magnets that you tried out.
Love your down to earth videos, all my coaching stock is 1980s/early 1990s mainly Mainline & Airfix so living in Christchurch New Zealand it is very hard to find anything to replace the existing tension couplings, so you have to just suck it up! Kadee is about £7.50 a pack.
I've got one of the Hunt couplings close coupling pack ... looks the dogs on my rake of Hornby Mk2s, and also bought the pack especially for Oxford Rail Mk3s, not fitted those yet though... I would love to see how a rake behaves on 3rd radius curves as I haven't finished my layout yet ... if you happened to be sending your Mk3s around your layout and your camera was out ... hint hint 😁
Hello Charlie, I do not have anything with a NEM pocket. All my Locos, Diesel and rolling stock have Tension Lock Couplings and they have been around for more than 50 years. What should be the distance be between coaches? The Corridor connectors are moulded in the retracted position, aren't they? There are some corridor connectors on the market. I have never seen them or anybody on UA-cam using them. Barrie Davis uses the tension lock medium Couplings and he swears by them. Most of what he buys are fitted with NEM pockets and it is a straight swop over. Magnetic couplings are not very good if you have a Shunting Layout. Unless somebody comes up with an uncoupling device for them. Martin. (Thailand) Why do my comments end up being short stories?
Hi Charlie good video once again just one point buffer lock happens with reverse where a vehicle passes over a curve in one direction and then immediately there is a refresh curve in the opposite direction allowing one buffer to move around the opposite one and lock up. This can occur in the 1:1 world and minimum. Radius are specified in the track Design handbook to avoid this issue. Would not be on the mainline but in sidings and depots
Fantastic video been looking forward to it .those shapeways are amazing and as you ve shown they will last . Ps since u numbered the videos I ve now watched them all lol
Hi Charlie. Those couplings seem very good but unfortunately I like to do shunting and therefore need to do automatic uncoupling. However it’s going to cost me a fortune as I’m proposing to use kadee and I have over 80 wagons unless you have any other idea of any other type of coupling I could use. I love Fridays as I look forward to your videos. Keep up the good work.
Well Michael, 80 wagons, that’s a huge investment. Perhaps running them in batches of three might help. Therefore running triplets you only need the KDs on either end.
another great video. i have a mixed relationship with couplings. i like the kadees, i have bought quite a few packs of sizes 17-20 with the nem fittings. not had the greatest luck with them, but some of that may be due in part to my dodgy track laying and using set track - a mistake that has since been rectified. i have yet to fit them to my new setup and test as i have a 3 year old....god help me. i was wondering if you had much luck with kadees and backmann mk2s? - i find some bachmann locos 37,47 etc have rubbish nem socket heights.
Locomotives have a front end... you could designate that as the "A" end for your magnetic connections. "B" magnets for the "B" end or "butt" end... Further with the magnetic couplings, identifying the "A's and B's", does the U.K. have designated ends of freight and passenger wagons? In the U.S. and Canada, the "B End" has the brake wheel... Perhaps your wagons would be "so identified" as to how the magnets are attached to each wagon coupling. I don't know the difference with your wagons visually, but North American freight cars have immediate distinctions. Right... our model couplings hardly vary beyond knuckle couplings (such as Kadee) and X2F (horn hook). Aces to you for having a "Rake" set of freight wagons set together with the rigid couplings... (how much is a rake?) and your coaches could be paired instead of grouped by 10 (I was listening) [...and cue the phone is as cute as your wife giggling in the background]... um, back to my point...hmmm... Oh, got it... I may have said in past comments to your videos of couplings about my methods of avoiding a total conversion of couplings, and that is: your explanation 8:25 ...I keep X2F's at one end and knuckles at the other in "sets": Knuckle]wagonX2F+X2FwagonX2F+X2FwagonX2F+X2Fwagon[Knuckle :Visually spelled out that way. And for your acceptance, I substituted "wagon" for "freight car." "Coach" is basically universal. More insight and much regards to your efforts! John Kamloops, BC Canada p.s. Jenny Kirk measured the strength of the magnetic couplers by "hanging" them vertically... at least four coaches or at least 12 freight wagons... it was some time back but quite the proof they work well. p.p.s Curious about your DMU's... they are always in pairs, or two pairs when combined. Would they look quite similar to a pair of coaches? I'm just imagining , if someone didn't own any DMU models, that they would simply "stage" a pair of coaches beside vacant (yet, somewhat distant) platforms to mimic real model DMU's. We all digress at one time or another... and that's okay.
What a great comment. Here in the UK the wagons are not matched A or B ends but in particular although some specialist carriages are end. specific. Regards Charlie
Another good overview of the minefield of couplings. The hunt couplings look a good product, especially with the new elite version. For us finescale modellers as well as the Spratt and winkle, there's a few others such as dingham (my choice probably), dg and Alex Jackson. As well as of course functional 3link and screw couplings which some favour. Regardless of what you model be it fine or otherwise, it will always to some extent be a personal choice between ease of use and cost. I will probably use the hunt couplings on units (though I do wish they'd made the look more akin to buckeye or shefenberg types as used on the railway.
An interesting comment, many thanks.Yes the Hunt Couplings are very attractive when compared with our dreadful standard alternative. If only the manufacturers could form a coalition and find a way forward on this one.
I switched my Bachmann MK 1 & 2s to Keen but only because it puts the NEM at the correct height and then I used Kadees for all my stock. I use those 3d printed NEM boxes on my 4 wheeled wagon stock either on the old Hornby wagons or the Mainline/Bachmann wagons. They seem to work quite well. I will be getting the Hunt couplings for my HST sets as they seem a good compromise.
Hi Scott, I have spoken with Chris Hunt from Hunt Couplings and he is going to manufacture me some shorter HST couplings, for me to trial. So wait until I try them before you buy. Regards Charlie
Once again Charlie a very informative and interesting video! This video together with others you did on couplers should help me with some issues I have/replacing the rapido couplers on my rolling stock. Thanks!
Hi Charlie as always informative and entertaining . What annoys me is that there is not an industry standard for the height which makes using any type of coupling difficult . At the moment I have a mix of NEM & non NEM couplings so will probably give hunt couplings a try on coaches and wagons which I wont use for shunting.........……...Keep safe ----- Cheers Kev
I'm not a railroad modeller or even into trains at all but I like your videos anyway. It is nice seeing someone dedicated to their hobby and doing something they enjoy. I also like your humor!
Thanks Petra, you’re too kind
I've installed Kadees on most of my stock Charlie but some great ideas here for closer coupling on coaches and to buy some NEM pockets off Ebay. No wonder your YT Channel has so many subscribers as it's just so darn helpful and is presented in such a friendly and disarming manner. Thank you so much.
William
What a heartwarming comment William, you’re too kind. Regards Charlie
Very nice Charlie very informative , I love your variations to the hobby on certain items , keep posting the videos please they’re very useful to all modelers , thank you .
Thanks Kevin, that’s very kind of you to say so. Regards Charlie
I started to fit the keen system to my mk3s about a year ago. After quite a bit of surgery I encountered clearance issues between the wheel flanges and the kinematic coupling. With more effort I'm sure they can be made to work. I parked the project at that point and instead have bought some of the hunt couplings which I've not yet fitted. Up to this point I've run my HSTs with the powered car pushing the train. Its not ideal but sure helps with that nasty gap. Freight is a whole separate problem as you demonstrated.
Those oxfords, blimey! Not tried any of their stuff yet. Cheers
Hi Richard,
I had a text from Chris Hunt (Hunt Couplings) asking for a chat regarding my disappointment with my HST coupling gaps. I measured the gap at a little over 4mm and he will make me another set with a 2mm gap.
I left my Keen Mk3s unopened, being yet another “sometime” job.
The Oxford clearances were shocking. I just can’t understand why folks that do reviews have never mentioned it.
Stay safe mate, regards Charlie.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Interesting, I guess the issue is navigating the curves. I have a mix of 3rd and 4th radius so will be interesting to see how you get on.
Was aware of the gap on oxford mk3s but not those carflats. Shocking as you say!
I'm safe & well, hope the same applies to you, cheers
Thank you for the coupling video. I have used the Fleischmann Proffi couplings in my fixed rakes of coaches, they go straight into a NEM pocket to be used with the "close coupling mech"
I’m pleased that you have a reliable solution Denis. Regards Charlie
Excellent overview. Thank you for your efforts!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it mate. Regards Charlie
Thanks Charlie for the information and of course the live theatre entertainment as usual. Cheered me up no end as I struggle with my coupling issues. Just spent 3 hours sorting out/modifying the NEM pocket height issue on a brand new Bachman Prairie. These things are sent to try us!
Oo..er - I am using my wife's laptop. Should have shown me as Tidford Junction. PS I am still a Kadee fan.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video. The pocket height is a dreadful issue. We live in hope!
Hi Charlie, thank you for your interest in our Hunt Couplings, they were primarily designed to make uncoupling easy and offer reliability in operation with inclines, helix's and push operations.
The hst clip sets we do have been designed to work with layouts with second radius curves or helix's and double back on second radius, It has been a minefield and hornby on some models have altered the position of the pin in the coupling on the bogie
therefore we have had to design the HST clip set to cater for both, we do do a HST CLOSE CLIP SET but due to hornby's bogie design these are only designed for radius 4 curves and greater, we will pop a set in the post for you to look at.
Regarding strength they were tested for upto 14 coaches on a three tier helix, the locomotive started wheel slipping at that point, Love the Tug Of War :-)
Is there any plans for hunt to produce n gauge nem couplings
@@katiedave1098 Yes already in testing - release soon :-)
@@WestHillWagonWorks thank you very much for your reply, can't wait for these fantastic couplings for n gauge.
Loving the OO couplings. Most of my freight stock doesn't have NEM pockets and I am having to buy 3D printed ones (as also featured in Charlie's video) but this is no great hardship - comes with buying old job lots from ebay! I think you have the price point spot on - especially compared to some other manufacturers - and I intend to modify all my rolling stock and locomotives. Cheers.
Thanks Chris, and it was a great conversation we had earlier as well. Good luck with your project and I’ll let you know how I get on with the new couplings, regards Charlie
Once again, a very nice video, full of humour and entertaining to boot. Well done.
Thank you Kevin, much appreciated. Regards Charlie
Hello Charlie. Just to advise that if your site doesn't register all of the 'hits' from people watching, at least here in Canada, I watch your videos via our apple t.v. UA-cam is included on their streaming device, but as far as I have determined, I cannot add any comments or click on any icons while watching on my t.v. set. (only on my computer). I do enjoy your self deprecating sense of humour , but you have provided many great ideas. One of your videos was regarding ballasting and sound transmission through the baseboard. Articles in Model Railroader mentions artists' polymer matte medium as it lasts longer than diluted white glue and gives some flexibility to the track and ballast while some sound deadening qualities . However like many things, there seems to be pros and cons when choosing it over white glue (including the best way to remove it if necessary). Cheers. Ed.
However you watch it, I'm so pleased that you enjoy it Ed.
Hello Charlie,no....not here to knock you this time! A very incisive addition to your videos..I like many others bought a lot of Mr.Keens couplings for a previous layout and found they work very well indeed not only on RTR but a three set brass kit rake of Southern coaching stock-a real bugger to fit,but in the end,got em! I too go with you on the 'HUNT' ones and will refit all my rolling stock with them.Thanks once more for an hours worth of good, interesting entertainment.Best wishes,Larry in Gloucester.
What a heart warming comment Larry.
Couplings, here in the UK, are a real pain for this hobby.
Stay safe. Regards Charlie
Charlie - another great video! When watching, I feel like you are our own personal train professor! I love magnets, glad they are being used more and more for different model train applications!
I am doing my first model train layout and am using earth magnets for my lift up bridge to keep it in place and also for underlayments for steep slopes by DCC Concepts.
I’m so pleased that you enjoy my videos Craig.
Definitely cool stuff. Rare Earth magnets are getting a lot of use all over the modeling world.
I agree they are just fantastic.
Hi Charlie, just a follow up with the couplings. I use black chenille about 10 mm diameter. Drill 2 holes 1.5 mm in the top and base of the edge of the doorways in the centre, cut the chenille and bend it in so it sticks out a little top and bottom. You do this to both mating ends ,it doesn’t catch on anything and shows no gap at any angle. I use this on modern Bachmann coaches using the supplied brake pipe type coupling. Hopefully this helps. I bought a big bag of the chenille on e bay.
Thanks Christy, an interesting option and worth checking out. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie
Another informative and fun video, thanks, you may have solved a problem I have with my layout. I’d get a derailment on a bend, instinctively I've gone to track fault, which on a couple was the cause; I had not considered buffer lock.
That will be the phone then, I instinctively went to grab my phone (same ring tone), its all good fun.
Keep up the good work and stay safe.
Thanks David, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Brilliant video Charlie
Think Gibs Onethirty sums it up well - Kadees are my preferred couplings because of the 'Hands Free' operation and push shunting....
Keep up the excellent work, stay safe & well..........
Regards, Nigel at west hatton model railway.
Thanks Nigel, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Have you tried the Hornby magnetic couplers ? From what I can see on photos there are two magnets each side which I assume will eliminate the rejection problem. And a problem WILL arise if a return loop is on the layout and consists are spilt in either direction.
Yes GC, I have used them. Please check out my video number 217.
Morning Charlie, on the 'Hunt' Couplings, did you discover the modifrication made to the Hose pipe coupling to the effect that the contacting faces 'ROTATE' to suit the magnetism of each coupling to hold and not repel. I think they are around 19 GBP bag for HST /Close Coupling. When this Lockdown Lunacy is over I'll be looking at an order. I had the same problem with not enough hold on the magnets I got (1mm) 100 of them so I turned them into MU Cables, glued one to the loco connecter point and one each of a fine Orange wire about an inch long. looks good and took care of surplus stock
Yes Wayne the Hunt Couplings are a useful asset. However on my helix the close couplings do present problems on the inner track. Regards Charlie
I wonder, I don't have Helixes down here, (sorry, just one, in the middle of the North Island), I have an idea, if your couplings a letting go on the inside of the helix, it could be that the heads of the coupling are not TWISTING in relation to the two coaches. Got an idea that might work? cut the coupling off the shank, the 'face-up' the two surfaces, drill down the centre of the shaft so that the head/knuckle swivels. It's going to take a bit of experimental strength testing. pinhead in knuckle jaws and rest of pin down shaft, when everything is working, heat end of pin with soldering iron to fix in place n the shaft and the head swivels. Necessity is the mother of convenience or something similar...I'll let you know
Very interesting video Charlie, thanks. Never given couplings much thought.
I wish that I hadn’t either Pete.
Hi Charlie,Des from Down Under.Enjoyed your video once again.I tend to use a mixture of coupling types.Haviing started,or should I say restarted,I use Roco close coupling/Nem pockets system components on my stock.I tend to use the Roco close coupler for passenger stock (Hornby use a very similiar coupler,but it is a bit bigger(HO as opposed to OO)For goods stock I have converted a lot of my British outline to the Roco type of coupler assembly .At present I have been looking at the Hunt system and also those Bachmann/Earth Magnet type of system you have described very well,the only disadvantage I can see over here the cost is expensive.My HST has been converted on the engine to a close coupling system used by Roco as a spare part which is available as a spare part.and it works well.I do like the system you have used with the earth magnets/Bachmann coaching bar.Hope I have not been too long winded,but in conclusion I would love a a world wide universal coupling system that would be acceptable to all...............yes i know I'm dreaming.kindest regards Des.
Hi Des, Yes a worldwide standard solution is too much to ask for. Good luck with your layout, regards Charlie
Great video again Charlie. I bought some of the hunt couplings recently, pretty pleased with them - a few don't fit well in certain NEM sockets but this is likely down to different manufacturers so need a spot of glue, and some of the magnets came out of their housings which was disappointing for the price paid - still a bit of glue fixed this too. The only downside is needing the polarity to be a certain way for it to work so trains need to be set up the right way round for a loco, but not a massive issue and a big improvement on the standard Hornby / Dapol etc. Thanks, Tom
Yes Tom, they certainly seem to be a step forward.
Thanks Charlie, love the magnets idea but if you do any switching it is not going to be easy. I decided to go with Kadees (metal, for strength) on my HO for looks and operation. Now on my n scale I use Microtrains couplers. But plan on going to their True scale for unit trains. Thanks for sharing....Jack 👍👍👍
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Jack.
Hi Charlie. Another interesting and entertaining video though a slightly confusing title.....surely you have already established in video 81 that the best NEM couplings are Kadees.
What you are really looking at are kinematic coupling mounts and the best couplers to use with them. In this case you should really be looking at the Roco and Fleischmann close coupling types which have been easily available in the UK for over 30 years. Hornby also offer a near identical copy of the Roco type. I can only think of one advantage Hunt couplings would have over either of the types above: Coupling on curves. Both Roco and Fleischmann types can be 'disengaged' and used for shunting in the same way that a Kadee can.
The Keen System coupling mounts are really designed to be retro fit kinematic systems and used with any NEM pocket coupling and not just the Keen 'knuckle'. These mounts should really have been put onto the Hornby HST in your video and then could have been used with the Hunt NEM, Bachmann bar or the Roco types - or any other number.
If you have not had experience of Roco or Fleischmann close couplers I would urge you to seek some out. They are not the answer to everything - but for rakes of coaches or wagons with kinematic mounts (at the correct height), I think they are great.
Stay safe - I'm off for a look at your new ballasting video now.
An interesting point Andrew, which is much appreciated. The problem with couplings, is of course that there are so many different sorts that it is so difficult to cover them all in these videos. I’ve tended to go for the most common sorts that my followers use having listened to their requests. Stay safe mate regards Charlie
Nice to see you using something I did a year ago with the Bachmann Pipe couplers.👍
Very cool answer Mike.
Great video, some really good info for me and my rolling stock, thank you. I use Fleischmann Profi & Roco couplings, I agree with you those Hornby HST couplings are horrendous! I would be interested if you ever looked at adding coach bellows as well...perhaps a future vid...!?
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it and yes I will be looking at some bellows in the future
Very interesting. Wondering if you would have seen a NEM extender that gets left on a individual cars? A short plug male/female, that just extends the length on one car? The issue I have is with Fleischmann cars and engines going around some curves with the bumpers coming into contact on the inside of the curve and lifting the inner wheels off the track. This happens only with certain combinations of cars and engines but is consistent to their use. The next step would be to dissect two dozen couplers to insert spacing plugs. Thoughts? Ideas? PM
Yes Patrick, buffer clash can be a real problem on tight curves.
However, I have never heard of a system of extending the NEM coupler. Clearly a coupling with a longer shaft is what is required or perhaps shortening of the buffer stocks. Regards Charlie
Another great update,it’s a minefield now with so much choice,I’ve just got some Hunt couplings to try out.Spratt and Winkle,the look that followed was straight out of a Carry on film,keep it up and all the best 😂👍
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed my episode on our couplings nightmare.
Charlie, On Finescale stock you need sprung buffers to stop buffer lock around tight radius curves. Also they need to be fitted with very soft springs so the buffers are moving as soon as they touch. I remember we all used to use very soft black sponge plugs to fit into the corridor connectors, to hide the gap completly. There was an article in the 60's in the magazine Modal Railway News on how to make and dress the outside of the plug to look like a bellow's connector. Still it keeps us in our bubbles. Next week I might put my toe outside the front door. Cheers, Chris Perry.
I’m pleased that you found it interesting Chris. I will work on the gap between coaches passenger access, once I’ve sorted the couplings.
Hi Charlie, thank you for another interesting and informative Video! Your channel is one of my favorites on UA-cam! All the best to you and your family! Best wishes from Germany Günter
Thanks Gunter, I’m so pleased that you enjoy all of my videos.
I absolutely LOVE this video. While I am in the US and I know I have made a comment on the previous video about Kadees and my dislike of the uncoupling pin (I have had just too many cause issues at times) I do still like them over other US knuckle options we have here (I really love Rapido MacDonald Cartier ones overall they just do not have spares for sale that I know of) although I do wish the US would use NEM pockets instead. So much easier to change things around. Although I wanted to say that this episode gave me quite a few ideas for how to couple 24' ore cars with a drawbar (will need modifications for using some of what you have shown but I think it would not be super difficult). Some of the railroads would use them in 4 car sets with drawbars on the middle cars. Well done video and thank you for the excellent ideas!! Happy modeling, John
Thanks John, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Couplings remain a nightmare, regards Charlie
Excellent Video Charlie. As we have come to expect.
You’re too kind Paul thank you.
Thanks for another great video. An alternative coupling mechanism is the German Ribu system It consists of a KKK box with adjustable height mounted NEM box. (The KKK is Kurzkupplingkinematic, not the US version!)
The box simply is glued to the chassis, great for Hornby coaches with bogie mounted couplings removed. Priced a little high but they work well.
An interesting option Frank, many thanks, regards Charlie
Really good idea numbering videos!
Thanks mate.
So many options out on the market these days in relation to couplings. I will be getting rid of the tension lock coupling on my models and was previously going to go to kadee couplings. Having said that some of these cheaper alternatives are growing on me. A great video Charlie and all the best, Clint
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Clint.
Hi Charlie
Many thanks for the reply, it looks like a batch of 3 wagons is the answer.
A good plan Michael.
Great video Charlie, I have used the home made magnet on the cut pipe system for about 5 years now on most of my coach stock, occasionally it comes out of the fiddle yard a couple of coaches short of a rake but rarely, and it’s cheap and looks right. I would not use it for rakes of more than 9 coaches though.
Thanks for the reassuring comment. Regards Charlie.
Hi. Hornby Maunsell coaches come with the kinematic system and the Roco style Close couplings. You can also mix one Hornby with one Roco to get them even closer. Why didn’t you cover the Roco couplings?
As I replied to your other video I love the Shapeways couplings on wagons.
Keep safe Alec
Hi Alec, I left off those couplings as so few people use them here, sorry mate.
@@ChadwickModelRailway With the height difference between some of those coupler heads that's no surprise, as all euro close couplers allow lifting the wagons out of the consist. Any height difference outside tolerances will result in unplanned decoupling
I use the Fleischmann Profi couplings. Rolling stock with NEM-short coupling pockets only. Looking sort of OK, technical, not actually realistic and even perhaps a bit agricultural. But they do the job well, carriages can be lifted out of a train like with KaDee's. Uncoupling is mechanical, plastic, no magnetic touch to it. Cheap, I have lots of loco's and carriages. Yet, this is for the continental trains. For the fewer British stuff I have ( Smaller lay out ) I'm considering Kadee. Partly because of your vid on these. Looking great, curious to see how they work for me.
I’m pleased that you found a solution to this dreadful situation. These wretched UK couplings are a nightmare. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie just watched your video on couplings I have got mainly tension lock but have got 2 different liveries of Bachmann mk2 coaches with the vacuum pipe ones but for my mk2 Bachmann I might try the hunt magnetic as they look so much better and I might even eventually try them on my hst’s if you don’t mind me asking where did you purchase the hunt couplings from my Friday night UA-cam viewing sorted with coffee jammie dodgers and chadwick
Best wishes
Kev Beighton Parkway
Just search on UA-cam for Hunt Couplings, or West wagon works. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, great video as usual. I have used the Bachman pipe couplings and neomagnets as you used. Never thought of doing what you did with them. The hunt coupling magnets look to have a larger surface area which is possibly why they have more attraction. Anyway, I run 6 coach sets so will try your idea.
I’m so pleased that you found it interesting Christopher, good luck with your project.
Hi Charlie,
I use kadee couplings on everything. That said I do model Australian outline. Have you like looked at there scale head sized kadee’s?
Cheers,
Bill (from down under)
I don’t believe I have the bill. Do you have the part number,?. Regards, Charlie
A little late to the party on this one, but what I've found to be the most effective coupling options for me is as follows:
I use the Keen replacement coupler plate / assembly on the brake ends of all my Bachmann MK1/MK2 coaches as this puts the NEM pocket at the correct height & location for using Kadee couplers. I also use the Keen assembly when inserting Hornby coaches into the middle of a rake of Bachmann coaches. I believe the latest Bachmann coaches have the NEM pocket at the correct location now, but I've not been able to verify.
I use the standard Bachmann vacuum hose on internal couplers, as my rakes are mostly permanent and once on the board, they do not come off... although, I may look into the Hunt couplers going forward.
Everything else, is generally a Kadee #18, as I've found this to be the best fit... with the exception of the Dapol Turbot wagons. Like the Oxford carflats, a standard coupler does not give an acceptable distance between the cars. Dapol however, did include a very short coupling bar that is similar to the Bachmann intermodal coupler, for coupling the Turbots together. I use a Kadee 17 at the ends where the Turbots connect to other stock, and when coupled to a Kadee 18, it provides a reasonably close couple.
I have used the full Keen system on a rake of Hornby Colletts and GWR Centenary coaches with varying degree's of success.
Many thanks, Derek, for such an interesting comment. I have in fact removed all of my keen couplings. I find that using the Hunt couplings a much more reliable commodity.
With my fix rakes I use the Bachman type hose, with a magnetic coupling midway, to assist with maintenance. Regards, Charlie.
+@derekgentle7116
Hi Charlie, great video for magnet issues i.e north,north,south,south redling each other if you use a ball magnet on
one end of a a coupling it will stick to the north or south poles oand even each other and offers some compliance.
On the test you did at the end the failiure was more that rotationanl force through the coupling rather tha a streight pull which is not (prototypical) oops
I do understand that the test was not fair because it wasn’t a straight pull. However, it was a fair test after all because that was she are putting pressure. And what I’ve written doesn’t make any sense at all!
Charlie - Have you tried using a kinetic coupling ROCO 40344 (cheaper on ebay) for a coach or wagon conversion. I have successfully done this on my H0 coaches but wouldn't know what's involved in converting 00 coaches - with the tension coupling.
No I’m afraid not. I am considering converting many of my coach racks to Hunt Couplings. They make attaching and building rakes very easy.
Interesting video, thanks Charlie
Glad you enjoyed it Neal.
Spot on. Thank you Charlie 🙂 Very informative
Thanks Edward, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting.
@@ChadwickModelRailway My only challenge now is how to upgrade 40-50 year old stock away from the enormous drop links they have now! 🤔 If I get a good solution I'll let you know...😅
Please do and good luck.
Edward Walton Bespoke You could try a combination; one drop link and a magnet each side, pairing with the next wagon to have a three link (with the blob in the middle being an instanter link).
Hi Charlie. Another great and informative video as usual, and my first comment to you too. Regarding the Modal (4)couplings I think these may designed for use on the Modern container wagons which run in fixed formations, and the 'inner' wagons have no buffers to lock. Just a theory as I have none. I'm currently experimenting with Hunt couplings and find they can be used for selective purposes i.e fixed rakes and quick to uncouple when required. Also although A & B markings are small to see, you'll find the 'A's are coloured Gold & the 'B's Silver. Hope this helps people.
I too believe that these couplings have great potential. I hadn't noticed to colours though Brian.
Once again another useful video. Thank you.
You’re most welcome Alex.
Great series Charlie. You're fast becoming my reference Go To guy :)
Don’t make me blush Dominic.
Good video. It's where you pulled the carriages from that affected the uncoupling.
I’ve re-done it But the outcome was the same David.
I love watching your videos, and you’re probably my favourite channel I choose to watch. I would like to see more videos relating on the progress of your layout rather than renumbering locomotives and getting disappointed with the distance between your wagons. Saying that I would like it if you did a video on track cleaning as it would be really interesting to know what you use, and why. Kind regards Ian’s I I
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the videos Ian. If you look for McKinley Railway on UA-cam they’ve recently produced a video on track cleaning.
That’s the problem, everyone has a different opinion in what to use, or what not to use regarding abrasives, chemicals, and different type of rail v
I’ve gone with the hunt couplings and as they update their designs these have got closer so great results with HST close couplings though on the engines, one was loose due to tolerance discrepancies in the manufacturing. It did also catch part of the undercarriage so a little filing did the trick and this was reported to West Hill Wagon Works who were very obliging and sent me a couple more on my next order. Not as much luck with the hornby freight single screw on tension lock replacement types. The hole wasn’t a big enough diameter for the screw and trying to take this out about 0.2mm bigger resulted in it breaking through the surrounding material on two occasions. I was promised an updated product version foc but, that hasn’t happened despite two emails without a response, which is a shame. Loved your narration and video tutorial on the McKinley Railway shunters btw with the kadee cotton motorised uncoupling assembly with ESU programming. Dedication indeed and such a beautiful result.
I'm with you on this one Andy. My HST has never looked better and I have removed all of my Keen Couplings from my Mk2 sets. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, great watchable video as always, I know you are more of a modern image modeller than me but Hornby do make kinematic couplers on the Maunsell coach stock. Hornby provide Roco couplers as well as tension lock for each coach and I've found that they work quite well, easy to split up just by lifting vertically. Cheers stay safe.
Thanks Chris, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Couplings remain a nightmare. Regards Charlie
Excellent video explaining about couplers. Not trying to sound to bad, what do you mean by “first radius curve”? You did a great job showing how things work. Thanks for sharing. Ken
Peco/Hornby make four different set-track radius curves. First radius is the tightist with a radius of 371mm / 14 5/8 inches
Thanks for that info.
I model N gauge and regularly use the buck eye couplings sold by Fleischmann. Fleischmasnn also sell couplings that let you convert others wagons that don’e have the NEM type socket
We also do Hunt Couplings For N gauge - link in description
Thanks Chris
Ok, help an old daft Yank's memory out, in the 1:1 units, is one buffer fixed, and the other one on a coil volute spring Or is that something that varies wildly depending on era, type of rolling stock, etc.?
Your second guess was right. They are very incredibly depending on age and rolling stock type.
🤔I couldn't find those pipe couplers anywhere on the internet would you happen to have a link for them, great video by the way 👍
Yes, they’re available from the website called James train parts. Then shop, then couplings.
Regards, Charlie
You brits seem to be spoiled by choice but not quality or function. Kadees are by far the best. Another in depth, informative and entertaining video, well done sir!
I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Our choice of couplings are a nightmare.
Another legendary video Mr Bishop 😂😎
You know me Chris, here to please.
G'Day Charlie. Mate what can I say, its a bloody minefield when it comes to couplings. Well presented as always, thanks.
I think that is why I just stick to the one type, which is of course Kadee's. Yep even on coaches, to me its more about the reliability as well as the versatility of Kadee couplings. So far I've not seen another system that can allow the operator to uncouple and re-couple rolling stock at will on the layout without involving the "Hand of God" somwhere. At least with the kadee system you can use perma-magnets (or the electro) under the track anywhere you like and not even see where you have installed them (except for where you "Sign Post" your uncoupling spot). Or you can even go the rout like McKinley has with the "Auto coupling" with Kadee's. Can't say the same for the rest of them though.
You make a good point G130, KDS are certainly my choice whenever I need a freight solution.
Hi Charlie. Your homemade magnetic coupling will always fail first as the force being applied is vertical not horizontal (watch the coupling as the pull apart, the magnet lifts before separating). The hunt couplings line up perfectly with the strongest force of the magnet - horizontal.
I did realise that Rodney. However, I still wanted to win, but sadly that wasn’t to be.
Very interesting video! Thanks for sharing Charlie!! Cheers Onno.
It’s great to know you’re still out there Onno.
im going with your prototype charlie, Bachmann pipe with earth magnets, as i have the bachmann pipes in my shed and the earth magnet arrive the other day, what glue did you use ? but also i believe the hunt hst couplings will fit hornbys mk2d coaches too, which i have a few of ,so ill give one coach a home made effort ,if unsuccessful hunts it will be as i think magnets is the way to go.
another great and informative video.............tony
Hi WR, I used Deluxe, Rocket Max, Thick Cyno Glue. let it dry overnight.
Me too...having just bought a load of those couplings will give this a go with the magnets, great idea thanks Charlie
Another great video Charlie. Thank you for posting. Have you tried the Hornby 'Roco style' close couplings for NEM pockets? I find them really excellent and they also allow you to simply lift the rolling stock off the track too. I just bought a pack of 50 Roco close couplings from a well-known auction site for £44.50.
I do have a couple of those couplings, but embarrassingly, I’ve never tried them. Obviously it’s time I did. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Hi Charlie. I think you'll be surprised at their simplicity. All the best.
It must be Friday, great video again Charlie thanks
Thanks Iain I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Hi Charlie, I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but I think if you're going down the route of semi-permanently coupled rakes, you could definitely get away with real miniature chain and brass hooks. Obviously more fidely and time consuming but they stay together very well and can easily adapt to imperfections and undulations in the track. Also, it allows you to keep the existing NEM pockets on the wagons, maybe the first and last in the train retaining original coupling to connect to locos.The main reason though is of course the looks - I don't think anything else compares for me.
An interesting point Otis and one that I shall certainly consider.
Regards Charlie.
Great program learning a lot 10:06
Thanks Michael, I’m so pleased that you found the video useful. Regards Charlie
I use the bachmann dmu couplers .they are similar to the continental type model couplers they are smaller profile,they couple closer for better scale distance and are easier to uncouple with a hand uncoupler such as a thin piece of hooked wire or a bamboo skewer with a notch cut in .they are approx 10 quid for pack of 10 which is a lot of money but they work well .
Good point M.
Thanks, Charlie, a detailed analysis. What are the forces during buffer-clash compared to the Hunt Coupling? Is there any mileage in having a spring on the Hunt to allow it to be closer than worst case requires, which makes it better for normal and nominal cases. And as to why your coupling was weaker than the Hunt version; firstly, accuracy of the 90• may mean your contact was not as square (hence binding over the whole area). Second is similar; your rod was an arc segment, so when pulled caused the mating surface to deviate from 90•, whereas the hunt version was straight. But interesting to compare, especially as you could chose to make your own to fit your curves, stock and expectations, rather than the Hunt version where two sizes fits all. (BTW, do they do a close couple HST set, which may improve your reported gap?). Finally, I wonder about three link couplings where the instanter lump is the magnets, but the basic link hangs free when not connected. Optimal appearance, close coupling, and if the link is made of springy metal, reduces the impact of buffer clash. All thoughts and royalties gratefully accepted!
I spoke with Chris Hunt yesterday, of Hunt Couplings.
He will supply me with a set with different tolerances for me to trial.
Fingers crossed Tom.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Charlie, update.
How much does the Hunt coupling rely on two magnets linking together, or would one magnet link to the metal of older tension locks (including the old Triang open loop and hook) You will have seen the new combined Hunt couplings, where the Hunt has a loop for the hook to grab; my thoughts came from the magnet part of the Hunt, which might provide good linking without the hook, if the D is metal. (ntersting; in case of buffer clash, the magent could release, and the hook keep the train linked; after a moment, chances are the magnet would recover link...
Regards,
Tom
I was looking forward to you putting up a video on these after asking you a little while ago. Thank you, great video, great advice as always...stay well
I am so pleased that you enjoyed it Simon.
Thanks, Charlie - another great video. A few years ago, I "dabbled" in American outline N, using the "Microtrains" version of Kadee couplings. In the assorted forums I saw, some people had taken to using Z scale couplings on their N scale stock, for closer coupling. A silly question for the viewers: anybody tried N couplings with OO/HO stock for the same effect, and what results, please?
An interesting question Peter. Let’s hope you get an interesting response.
Charlie, all prices are going up. I do not like up the way manufacturers are making 'hay' in the present situation. Brilliant article again.
You’re dead right Nigel. Even Peco points have increased in price considerably. Perhaps now is the time to sell off your old stock on eBay!
Hi Charlie, Thank you for an informative video... However, despite your best efforts, I will probably carry on using tension lock couplings as I find them cheap to buy (secondhand), easy to fit and very reliable. I don't much like NEM pockets but am stuck with a few newer wagons on which they are fitted...Most of my rolling stock being thirty to forty years old and came with my favorite couplings fitted as srandard. I am thinking about Spratt and Winkle, but probably will not make the change now.
Sometimes we are where we are with couplings. Good luck with your layout regards Charlie
Hi Charlie another great video mate I have stared work on my models of BR mk2c tso converting them from old lima mk2b and also building working colour light gantrys I really enjoyed the video mate stay safe and well mate goodbye for now clive
Thanks Clive, it’s great to have you on board and I’m so pleased that you enjoy my videos. Regards Charlie
Great as always Charlie 👍🏻 Have a lovey safe weekend. See ya next Friday 👍🏻
Stevie, it’s a date, see you Friday.
Can NEM Couplings fit inside gear boxes that horn hooks or knuckle couplers swivel inside of?
Example: I have some old rolling stock that has gear boxes built into the frames or the bogies and was wondering if a NEM coupling would fit inside there and click into place on the other side, or would I need a NEM gear box specifically? I'm trying to get a tension lock style train from Bachmann to work with kadee rolling stock and am having an extreme amount of trouble trying to problem solve this coupling issue.
I’m sorry you’re not having much success, but welcome to my world. Yes it’s a nightmare, regards Charlie
Im glad we on same page this time,last was not good for me. My old layout is 30ftx 2.....so no real way to expand it...need the other foot for me! Keep it up!
I'm so pleased that you enjoyed it Larry. Stay safe. Regards Charlie
I agree with Human[c]ity Junction Model Railroad. Most modelers here in the US use Kadee's, and I am no exception. Sherrie
I’m with you on this one Sherrie.
Always interesting Charlie. Thank you.
Thanks Greg.
I thought I had coupler problems. You guys sure have more than we do in the states. Either way it is horrible how much things such as this’d costs so very much. Since I left n scale modeling I had Rapido paddle couplers. Fast forward and now day’s we have knuckle couplers. About time I took my break Kadee was relatively new. They commanded a high price. Good video. Take care and this will be nonsense some be over soon.
Great comment Ken.
Hello Charlie, I'm not a railway modeller, but I have found the coupler discussion fascinating. I have seen on UA-cam Ree magnetic couplings which look very effective, but you make no mention of them. But like you say, there are so many variations out there, you could write a book on the subject. Best wishes!
Hi Finlay, I do own a set of magnetic couplings I use them on both my Pullman cars, and a set of Mark two coaches. They do seem very efficient. However, on my freight stock the KD’s win every time. Regards Charlie
Great video as always Charlie. To answer your question about how much it would cost to 3D print a coupling. You would want to print it with an FDM (Filament) printer, not the MSLA (liquid resin) printer. The cost of filament varies, but a good rule of thumb is about US$20 per kg (between £18-£20 per kg). I've done replacement couplings for the Eurostar, and they run a fraction of a penny per coupling, and those are a bit bigger than a normal NEM coupling. Couplings are definitely a problem that nobody has really nailed down yet. I've actually had about 2000+ or so small magnets laying around for various projects (including couplings) for the better part of a year. I don't really see the point of static couplings. You can get about 100-200 small magnets from Amazon for under $10, so I'm pretty sure I can 3D print functional magnetic couplings for between 3p and 7p each (with the magnet in it). As for those Bachmann drawbar couplings, you can produce something much better for about a half penny in material per coupling. Stay tuned to my channel, I'm almost done with the Trackside3D website updates, so that will free up my time to wrap up the umpteen 3D printing projects I have on the go :)
Brilliant OO Rail, please keep me posted.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Will do. I just wrapped up my kids' synthetic ice rink (for hockey) in the basement at 3am this morning. Also means I have somewhere to air brush now. So I'm off to grab breakfast and then its full steam ahead on model railway projects. I'll keep you updated. :)
Hi Charlie, loved your approach re close coupling. For me the lack of them on UK layouts in N or OO is a constant irritation especially when there are alternatives available. As a European N gauge modeller I am spoilt as all rolling stock except some very rare examples has had NEM sockets and close coupling mechanisms for years. Keep up the great work. Your videos are helpful and inspirational. I would love to show you the results but there does not seem to be a link to allow me to upload any photos.
Just email me Marc.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Hi Charlie, I sent the photos via nessenger on Facebook earlier
Email received and I’ll get back to you tomorrow Marc.
Hi Charlie. Another great video, unlike you I suspected that the rare earth magnets would come a close second. I run up to 12 coach trains using that method but if the engine jerks in afraid that it isn't unusual to have a division. On my HST I'm using Kadee couplings albeit superglued in place. As I don't want to 'shunt' my HST I cut off the auto coupling rods. As an aside, I was surprised to see that you have buffers on your Mk 3 coaches. Then I looked at mine ......... That's a job for this afternoon then!
1952TonyC Is it not true that the Mk3 on the HST have no buffers, but those that are loco hauled do have the buffers? Makes buffer clash easier to avoid on HST sets, of course, as it’s only the corridor that touches. Not the colour of the corridor made the gap more noticeable, hence the need for black. And a small foam filler to stop light leak?
I have spoken with Chris Hunt this afternoon. The owner of Hunt Couplings. He is going to send me another set of HST couplings with a smaller gap between coaches. My gap was 4 mm and he intends to reduce it to 2. I’ll keep you posted Tony.
Hi Tom, you are of course right there were no buses on HST coaches and I ought to get off my lazy backside and remove mine.
Tom Lawton, you know what annoys me? I used to know the difference between the various coaches and particularly between mk3 and mk3a, blessed if can remember now! In any event. BR (W) HSTs certainly has no buffers either on coaches or power cars.
Another excellent video review. I remember seeing the 3 link coupling video and thinking they looked amazing. I have operated exhibition layouts with sprat and winkle couplings and they are ideal for shunting wagons with strategic magnets placed in the track.
Keen couplings I've experienced are very good, a bit fiddly to get spot on but worth it in the end.
The kadee couplings are probably the best prototypical looking and with a vast variety available, there is something for most needs.
I'm glad you fitted a set of Hunt (careful how you say that) couplings to a HST. I was going to get a few sets but I won't bother now. A note on the HST though, the new mk3s have nem pockets wether that would make any difference......
Thanks again
Actually Hunt Couplings now make couplings which fit HST NEM pockets
Hmmm, thanks Charlie for an excellent video! In fact I quite enjoy ALL your videos - I seem to feel I am sitting there with you in your railway room and talking about stuff! These Hunt Couplings - would love to try them out on some Bachmann coaching stock I have with the kinematic devices, but problematic on some curves on my layout...... cannot seem to find them here in Canada, where I am. I may resort to using the Bachmann pipe type couplings modified with earth magnets that you tried out.
I am so pleased that you enjoyed the video and I am sure that you will find a suitable answer to the coupling problem.
Love your down to earth videos, all my coaching stock is 1980s/early 1990s mainly Mainline & Airfix so living in Christchurch New Zealand it is very hard to find anything to replace the existing tension couplings, so you have to just suck it up! Kadee is about £7.50 a pack.
The prices today Alan are clearly shocking. Good luck with your layout. Regards Charlie.
I've got one of the Hunt couplings close coupling pack ... looks the dogs on my rake of Hornby Mk2s, and also bought the pack especially for Oxford Rail Mk3s, not fitted those yet though... I would love to see how a rake behaves on 3rd radius curves as I haven't finished my layout yet ... if you happened to be sending your Mk3s around your layout and your camera was out ... hint hint 😁
Hi Dave, I did that a couple of videos ago. My Hornby HST set has the Hunt Couplings fitted. Hope that helps, regards Charlie.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Nice one Charlie .. ill have a gander 👍👍
Hello Charlie, I do not have anything with a NEM pocket. All my Locos, Diesel and rolling stock have Tension Lock Couplings and they have been around for more than 50 years. What should be the distance be between coaches? The Corridor connectors are moulded in the retracted position, aren't they? There are some corridor connectors on the market. I have never seen them or anybody on UA-cam using them. Barrie Davis uses the tension lock medium Couplings and he swears by them. Most of what he buys are fitted with NEM pockets and it is a straight swop over. Magnetic couplings are not very good if you have a Shunting Layout. Unless somebody comes up with an uncoupling device for them. Martin. (Thailand) Why do my comments end up being short stories?
Hi Martin, the paper curtains are for sale on eBay.
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Hi Charlie good video once again just one point buffer lock happens with reverse where a vehicle passes over a curve in one direction and then immediately there is a refresh curve in the opposite direction allowing one buffer to move around the opposite one and lock up. This can occur in the 1:1 world and minimum. Radius are specified in the track Design handbook to avoid this issue. Would not be on the mainline but in sidings and depots
A great point Gary, I always seem to forget about the point crossovers for buffer lock.
Fantastic video been looking forward to it .those shapeways are amazing and as you ve shown they will last . Ps since u numbered the videos I ve now watched them all lol
Well done Winston. You’ve completed the mammoth task of watching them all, I salute you.
Very interesting Charlie, thank you as this gives me additional options to look at 😊.
Here to please Paul
Hi Charlie. Those couplings seem very good but unfortunately I like to do shunting and therefore need to do automatic uncoupling. However it’s going to cost me a fortune as I’m proposing to use kadee and I have over 80 wagons unless you have any other idea of any other type of coupling I could use. I love Fridays as I look forward to your videos. Keep up the good work.
Well Michael, 80 wagons, that’s a huge investment. Perhaps running them in batches of three might help. Therefore running triplets you only need the KDs on either end.
another great video. i have a mixed relationship with couplings. i like the kadees, i have bought quite a few packs of sizes 17-20 with the nem fittings. not had the greatest luck with them, but some of that may be due in part to my dodgy track laying and using set track - a mistake that has since been rectified. i have yet to fit them to my new setup and test as i have a 3 year old....god help me. i was wondering if you had much luck with kadees and backmann mk2s? - i find some bachmann locos 37,47 etc have rubbish nem socket heights.
Hi Phil, my Bachman mark twos are only fitted with Hunt Couplings or Keane couplings. That was a good move by you to get away from set track.
Locomotives have a front end... you could designate that as the "A" end for your magnetic connections. "B" magnets for the "B" end or "butt" end...
Further with the magnetic couplings, identifying the "A's and B's", does the U.K. have designated ends of freight and passenger wagons? In the U.S. and Canada, the "B End" has the brake wheel... Perhaps your wagons would be "so identified" as to how the magnets are attached to each wagon coupling. I don't know the difference with your wagons visually, but North American freight cars have immediate distinctions.
Right... our model couplings hardly vary beyond knuckle couplings (such as Kadee) and X2F (horn hook). Aces to you for having a "Rake" set of freight wagons set together with the rigid couplings... (how much is a rake?) and your coaches could be paired instead of grouped by 10 (I was listening)
[...and cue the phone is as cute as your wife giggling in the background]...
um, back to my point...hmmm...
Oh, got it... I may have said in past comments to your videos of couplings about my methods of avoiding a total conversion of couplings, and that is: your explanation 8:25 ...I keep X2F's at one end and knuckles at the other in "sets": Knuckle]wagonX2F+X2FwagonX2F+X2FwagonX2F+X2Fwagon[Knuckle :Visually spelled out that way. And for your acceptance, I substituted "wagon" for "freight car." "Coach" is basically universal.
More insight and much regards to your efforts!
John Kamloops, BC Canada
p.s. Jenny Kirk measured the strength of the magnetic couplers by "hanging" them vertically... at least four coaches or at least 12 freight wagons... it was some time back but quite the proof they work well.
p.p.s Curious about your DMU's... they are always in pairs, or two pairs when combined. Would they look quite similar to a pair of coaches? I'm just imagining , if someone didn't own any DMU models, that they would simply "stage" a pair of coaches beside vacant (yet, somewhat distant) platforms to mimic real model DMU's.
We all digress at one time or another... and that's okay.
What a great comment. Here in the UK the wagons are not matched A or B ends but in particular although some specialist carriages are end. specific. Regards Charlie
Another good overview of the minefield of couplings.
The hunt couplings look a good product, especially with the new elite version.
For us finescale modellers as well as the Spratt and winkle, there's a few others such as dingham (my choice probably), dg and Alex Jackson. As well as of course functional 3link and screw couplings which some favour.
Regardless of what you model be it fine or otherwise, it will always to some extent be a personal choice between ease of use and cost. I will probably use the hunt couplings on units (though I do wish they'd made the look more akin to buckeye or shefenberg types as used on the railway.
An interesting comment, many thanks.Yes the Hunt Couplings are very attractive when compared with our dreadful standard alternative. If only the manufacturers could form a coalition and find a way forward on this one.
I switched my Bachmann MK 1 & 2s to Keen but only because it puts the NEM at the correct height and then I used Kadees for all my stock. I use those 3d printed NEM boxes on my 4 wheeled wagon stock either on the old Hornby wagons or the Mainline/Bachmann wagons. They seem to work quite well. I will be getting the Hunt couplings for my HST sets as they seem a good compromise.
Hi Scott, I have spoken with Chris Hunt from Hunt Couplings and he is going to manufacture me some shorter HST couplings, for me to trial. So wait until I try them before you buy. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway cheers for the info, I look forward to your review of them.
Once again Charlie a very informative and interesting video! This video together with others you did on couplers should help me with some issues I have/replacing the rapido couplers on my rolling stock. Thanks!
I’m so pleased that you found it useful
Would be better you link the Couplers, than all the other stuff. How they are called at 6:24 shakeways couplers? Cant find it
Please try
jamesmodelrailwayco.com/
as James is now selling directly.
Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Thanks. Sad, nothing for H0.
But OO should fit surely.
Hi Charlie as always informative and entertaining . What annoys me is that there is not an industry standard for the height which makes using any type of coupling difficult . At the moment I have a mix of NEM & non NEM couplings so will probably give hunt couplings a try on coaches and wagons which I wont use for shunting.........……...Keep safe ----- Cheers Kev
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video Kev. Couplings remain a nightmare.