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  • @GrowlingSidewinder
    @GrowlingSidewinder  29 днів тому +38

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    • @Mav09
      @Mav09 29 днів тому +4

      F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New
      Day 4

    • @Mav09
      @Mav09 29 днів тому +3

      Great fight!

    • @joeclaridy
      @joeclaridy 29 днів тому +9

      Can you do the reverse and dogfight the F-22 with the YF-23?

    • @emp2312
      @emp2312 29 днів тому +5

      I want you to pilot the YF-23! That will give us a baseline of what it can do!

    • @1slotmech
      @1slotmech 29 днів тому +3

      GS., heads up - you'll need to fix this video's title, you have it as 22A as YF22. 😂 Can we get YF23 vs Rafael or Eurofighter at some point? That might be interesting...

  • @TheHouseAlwaysWins-xs8zd
    @TheHouseAlwaysWins-xs8zd 29 днів тому +528

    In an alternate universe, the USAF said: “you know what, we’ll take both 😎”

    • @BrianTRice77
      @BrianTRice77 29 днів тому +54

      Or the USN adopted the 23, that way the rivalry would keep going!

    • @lewiemotorsports3616
      @lewiemotorsports3616 29 днів тому +8

      Ideally yes

    • @joeclaridy
      @joeclaridy 29 днів тому +15

      ​@@BrianTRice77USN could use a long range aircraft that has a decent payload.

    • @Lamar_755
      @Lamar_755 29 днів тому +1

      Facts!!

    • @traviswalker8933
      @traviswalker8933 29 днів тому +5

      ​@@joeclaridy ballistic and cruise missiles negate the need for this.

  • @jasonvick55
    @jasonvick55 29 днів тому +368

    Ya gotta give it to the pilot, that second fight kill by the 23 was freakin dope.

    • @1mikesofocused42
      @1mikesofocused42 29 днів тому +9

      That was crazy

    • @jasonvick55
      @jasonvick55 29 днів тому +7

      @@1mikesofocused42 artistry.

    • @cosmocart2
      @cosmocart2 29 днів тому +6

      i love everything that happened in this video, i could tell what they were doing and why they were doing it which is a first for me, except for that 2nd kill where it looked like he did an upside down cobra or something im still confused lol

    • @jasonvick55
      @jasonvick55 29 днів тому +6

      @@cosmocart2 seriously! That shit was like ballet.

    • @rkjg94
      @rkjg94 День тому

      quite the move, almost stalled

  • @ghostgaming25771
    @ghostgaming25771 29 днів тому +398

    Now put the YF-23 up against the SU-57 felon!

    • @andrewrogers3067
      @andrewrogers3067 29 днів тому +20

      YES

    • @F23GreyGhost
      @F23GreyGhost 29 днів тому +9

      I've been asking for this fight for a lil bit 🤘

    • @spooderkid6760
      @spooderkid6760 29 днів тому +11

      that would be an epic dogfight

    • @tonik2229
      @tonik2229 29 днів тому +5

      yes!!

    • @alireyes8211
      @alireyes8211 29 днів тому +7

      Good news everybody. GS already made this video. GS is flying the SU with a buddy, vs two in YF’s. It was a really good fight.

  • @raa2640
    @raa2640 29 днів тому +70

    The YF-23 I swear has the side profile of a piece of paper!

    • @904_noah
      @904_noah 28 днів тому

      It's so paper thin, like the F-20 Tigershark

    • @bruhhhhmoment4848
      @bruhhhhmoment4848 25 днів тому

      @@904_noahthe f5 is pretty thin

    • @jpjay1584
      @jpjay1584 День тому

      cough, cough.. of a Katana

  • @macross25
    @macross25 29 днів тому +54

    I'd actually like to see a YF-23 vs. SU-47 match up, this way we get a sort of real-life MACROSS PLUS dogfight of the YF-19 vs. YF-21 scenario.

    • @katherineberger6329
      @katherineberger6329 29 днів тому +8

      This IS the Macross Plus scenario. Macross Plus was inspired by the Advanced Tactical Fighter ("Advanced Variable Fighter") competition.

    • @macross25
      @macross25 29 днів тому +5

      @@katherineberger6329 I've been watching Macross since 1984, I know this and it's why I mentioned Mac Plus. I suggested the SU-47 because we'd have a forward swept-wing aircraft against the YF-23. (And you are correct, the ATF program was a huge influence on Kawamori.)

    • @traviswalker8933
      @traviswalker8933 29 днів тому +1

      ​@@macross25forward swept wing* many aircraft have swept wings.

  • @TheEaglePilot
    @TheEaglePilot 29 днів тому +209

    Nerd: (in the voice) “🤓 um sir the plane is called the YF-23”

    • @tristanfarms
      @tristanfarms 29 днів тому +6

      I was about to say the same thing

    • @clifjr954
      @clifjr954 29 днів тому +8

      *Pushes glasses up on nose

    • @Iceman_.-
      @Iceman_.- 29 днів тому +9

      Geeky snorting noises ☝️🤓

    • @ExtremeUnction1988
      @ExtremeUnction1988 29 днів тому +2

      He’ll catch it

    • @Wk-is8eh
      @Wk-is8eh 29 днів тому +3

      Ackchyually 🤓

  • @ske00
    @ske00 29 днів тому +37

    More YF-23 stuff please. I'd also like to see it in some of those scenarios you play as the F-22 pilot.

  • @drakkon_sol
    @drakkon_sol 29 днів тому +110

    Breaker is giving you a good run.
    He seems to be a TOXIC or ANVIL level pilot, the guys that usually give you the most challenge.
    More videos of you in the YF23 would be amazing. Especially if you do the same mission types that you normally do with the 22.

    • @HereticsRight
      @HereticsRight 29 днів тому +15

      I was going to say the same thing about Breaker, he definitely fits into the pantheon with Toxic and Anvil.

    • @traviswalker8933
      @traviswalker8933 29 днів тому +4

      YF-23 doesn't have a proper cockpit and GS doesn't use mods that aren't properly developed.

    • @monke2676
      @monke2676 29 днів тому

      wdym toxic / anvil?

    • @jozomrkva
      @jozomrkva 28 днів тому

      And where is Shotgun, the legend with F22 FCS off?

    • @christophejergales7852
      @christophejergales7852 28 днів тому +1

      ​@@monke2676those are names of other pilots he flies against.

  • @kingscorpion7346
    @kingscorpion7346 29 днів тому +15

    "Oh, what's this? What's happening?" 💥 😁

  • @Kismetix
    @Kismetix 29 днів тому +14

    Man I love this channel...have to say both pilots did an expert job, and that 2nd fight kill by the 23 was an astounding bit of flying.

  • @v8makoshark
    @v8makoshark 29 днів тому +89

    The black widow is slick and sexy. We need you, G/S to gun fight in it next time against the raptor.

    • @traviswalker8933
      @traviswalker8933 29 днів тому +4

      I believe this was already discussed to death in the last video. The YF-23 doesn't have the proper cockpit model in it.

    • @v8makoshark
      @v8makoshark 29 днів тому +3

      @@traviswalker8933 Yeah, but BR3AK3R7 did alright anyways !

    • @srthebox4946
      @srthebox4946 29 днів тому +3

      Gs doesnt use modded aircraft without cockpits even if it’s fine, he wants a high standard of quality for his videos and that includes having a proper cockpit.

    • @traviswalker8933
      @traviswalker8933 29 днів тому +3

      @@srthebox4946 there is a cockpit in it. It's just not the correct one. The YF-23 had a cockpit based on the F-15E's cockpit.

  • @dystopianlucidity4448
    @dystopianlucidity4448 29 днів тому +9

    Once a raptor has your six, you’re dead, it’s just buffering.

  • @Vespuchian
    @Vespuchian 29 днів тому +17

    A fight between the prototype YF-22 and production F-22 would be fun to see, since it was brought up in the -typo- title, just to see if there are substantive differences between the two.

    • @traviswalker8933
      @traviswalker8933 29 днів тому +1

      YF-22 doesn't exist in DCS. Also the title says F-22.

  • @johns1625
    @johns1625 29 днів тому +8

    I think the YF-23 should have been named the Manta Ray rather than Black Widow. I love the diamond profile of it's wings so much!

  • @fightingcorsair7297
    @fightingcorsair7297 29 днів тому +24

    It's so great to watch those two aircraft dance.

  • @icaleinns6233
    @icaleinns6233 29 днів тому +16

    Spider vs. Felon? Oh HELL yeah!

  • @Catfoolyou
    @Catfoolyou 29 днів тому +76

    I'm getting PTSD from that one video where the YF-23 completely shredded the F-22 in a BVR fight.

    • @andrewrogers3067
      @andrewrogers3067 29 днів тому +4

      What vid?

    • @bahe57
      @bahe57 29 днів тому +3

      ​@@andrewrogers3067 it's a old video

    • @traviswalker8933
      @traviswalker8933 29 днів тому +9

      ​@@andrewrogers3067 he made a BVR video about the YF-23 vs F-22 and the F-22 got smoked by the YF-23.

    • @straitouttahell
      @straitouttahell 23 дні тому +1

      @@traviswalker8933 the exact words were "it feels like being killed by a ghost" 😁

  • @entityeoe2285
    @entityeoe2285 29 днів тому +4

    Honestly watching these two fight is like a Samurai trying to cut a falling flower petal on a gusty day.

  • @m3dicated
    @m3dicated 29 днів тому +13

    Yes, I would like to see a dogfight between F22 and SU57

  • @joshuaammerman7830
    @joshuaammerman7830 29 днів тому +14

    Ah yes the YF22 vs the F22... (insert spiderman meme.)

  • @BigJonBurch
    @BigJonBurch 29 днів тому +78

    So funny that the government was like, “we haven’t had a dogfight in YEARS. Let’s take the better dog fighter instead of the faster, stealthier, option

    • @jeffreychandler8418
      @jeffreychandler8418 29 днів тому +16

      ** NGAD patiently waiting **

    • @thedishonoredamerican129
      @thedishonoredamerican129 29 днів тому +7

      The program was started in the 80s...

    • @ImBrockatron
      @ImBrockatron 29 днів тому +2

      Maybe quicker but not faster

    • @501stIstheBestRegiment
      @501stIstheBestRegiment 29 днів тому +2

      I think they were annoyed a bit into it by the reformers

    • @knightzing
      @knightzing 29 днів тому +10

      USAF doctrine changed from interceptors to maneuverability fighters. (Even though both aircraft are good maneuvering planes)
      Stealth difference was marginal and I would prefer being able to quickly kill then egress if BVR wasn’t enough. (which both can but one does better)

  • @lukecreamer8426
    @lukecreamer8426 29 днів тому +6

    4:48 I'm not any sort of good at DCS, but I've payed enough attention in 3 years of watching GS videos religiously that I know the mistake here from GS was dropping the nose too much, that put him defensive in 3 seconds flat. Any supermaneuverable aircraft will be able to get nose on if you're both slow and you move under it.

  • @alphazuluz
    @alphazuluz 29 днів тому +6

    I don’t know that the YF-23 was actually faster than the YF-22. There’s a long presentation on UA-cam by one of the test pilots for the YF-23 program. He posted the specs for each of the four planes (YF-22 with P&W engines, YF-22 with GE engines, then the two YF-23s with the two different engines). Here are the specs he listed for “maximum Mach”:
    YF-22 GE: >2.00
    YF-22 PW: 1.81
    YF-23 GE: 1.72
    YF-23 PW: 1.8
    Maybe they didn’t push them to the limits, but it sure sounded like they did. He even made note of how it was odd that the different engine brands were better in different planes. The GE performed better in the 22, and the P&W did better in the 23.
    I’ve always heard that the YF-23 was faster, but this YF-23 pilot said the opposite.

  • @kToTheLToTheE
    @kToTheLToTheE 29 днів тому +33

    The YF-23 is effing beautiful

  • @emp2312
    @emp2312 29 днів тому +19

    Love it keep the YF-23 Dogfights coming! Yes!

  • @GeneralThunderbolt
    @GeneralThunderbolt 29 днів тому +50

    The YF-23 was ahead of its time. Better range, speed and stealth which are all the most desirable traits in modern combat. It's likely the NGAD will have these as the main characteristics.

    • @aethertech
      @aethertech 29 днів тому +9

      NGAD comes out, IT IS the 23 (with a few tweaks). $5

    • @deltasierracharlie
      @deltasierracharlie 29 днів тому +10

      The Northrop's/McDonell Douglas ATF proposal did NOT offer better speed than the Lockheed/Boeing/General Dynamics ATF proposal.
      That is one the greatest myths still very much alive regarding the ATF program.
      And when it comes to stealth BOTH designs met the requirements and had very similar RCS numbers.
      The planned F-23 being more stealthy than the F-22 is not a given fact.
      Some journalists at the time of the DEM/VAL phase of the ATF program just assumed and wrote that it must be, pretty much basically because to them it looked like it was lol
      That was their only "proof".
      And ever since then those words spread and got twisted more and more and a lot of more and more people started saying and claiming as an undisputed fact when actually it's not that simple.
      From some angles and against some frequencies the Lockheed/Boeing/General Dynamics ATF design is more stealthy.

    • @traviswalker8933
      @traviswalker8933 29 днів тому +1

      Doesn't matter. It would have been a showpiece like the F-22 anyway.

    • @noyrz
      @noyrz 28 днів тому

      And it can actually hold things in her belly! Yes, I'm looking at you, Amy

    • @AB-nv7bz
      @AB-nv7bz 26 днів тому

      @@deltasierracharlieok but it had way better range. It’s a better plane. If u get in a dogfight you made tremendous errors.
      Issues with Northrop development of the b2 and old heads in the usaf romanticism over dogfights was the reason the f22 won out

  • @StEvEn-dp1ri
    @StEvEn-dp1ri 28 днів тому +2

    Of course you have to do the SU-57 vs YF-23. Not only a regular guns only fight, but a 9x and BVR.

  • @XTXImperator
    @XTXImperator 29 днів тому +7

    What a magnificent monster the YF-23 is! Able to tie with a Raptor is no small feat despite being supposedly less maneuverable. Great flying by Br3aker7 and you btw!
    YF-23 VS SU-57? Yes please!

  • @rmp5s
    @rmp5s 29 днів тому +3

    The 23 looks like a 22 that's a bit melty...like it was left in the sun too long. lol

  • @straitouttahell
    @straitouttahell 26 днів тому

    Thank you for this video, I was really looking forward for it. As per the "more maneuverable" talk, they looked pretty evenly matched to me.

  • @SM-qo9gr
    @SM-qo9gr 29 днів тому +3

    Round 2: I think he wormed up😂

  • @happycanayjian1582
    @happycanayjian1582 29 днів тому +2

    That was a sweet move at 12:00. 🤟🏼

  • @retr07397
    @retr07397 29 днів тому +1

    I’m enjoying your videos man, I learned so much about aviation just from watching your videos! Keep up the amazing work

  • @istvanbarta
    @istvanbarta 29 днів тому +7

    Another reason for choosing (Y)F-22 could be the fact the other countries will able to bring more and more capable stealth fighters, therefore the end of the day/era the maneuverability still remains important.

    • @Mobius118
      @Mobius118 29 днів тому +2

      Underrated point

    • @Asghaad
      @Asghaad 29 днів тому +2

      And then high offboresight missiles with 2way datalink made that maneuverability totally useless instead...

    • @AB-nv7bz
      @AB-nv7bz 26 днів тому

      Nope. No one is dogfighting. Who sees who first is all that matters. Nagd will be a horrific dogfighter. Guns are worthless and in a decade fox 2s will be gone as well. Long range fox 3s and SiAW is the future.
      The only point of planes is to get as close as possible without detection to launch a missile.
      I’m honestly shocked we are investing in manned aircraft.

    • @Appletank8
      @Appletank8 23 дні тому

      Stealth doesn't mean close to WVR, just that the BVR is shorter. Sensors are still better than eyeballs even with stealth. Maneuvering is reserved more for dodging missiles than guns.

  • @timsullivan4566
    @timsullivan4566 29 днів тому +2

    GS : "Anyway, as I was saying..."
    [before you were so rudely shot down😉]

  • @arthurminiear2904
    @arthurminiear2904 29 днів тому +1

    Really liked this match-up, and would like to see more. And since it's playoff season in hockey and basketball, a best of seven would match-up in that spirit would be cool!

  • @khoatran-sv7je
    @khoatran-sv7je 29 днів тому +1

    We gotta have these two working together, imagine a force where the YF23 and F22 would come in first to target high-priority targets, then F35's and F15E come in later to take out the remaining targets. What a force that would be. You really gotta fly the YF23 GS!

  • @duaneedwards5439
    @duaneedwards5439 29 днів тому +1

    YF-23 vs anything! What an amazing aircraft, deadly and sexy at the same time.

  • @frostedhams
    @frostedhams 29 днів тому +1

    I kinda wanna see more modern dogfights with Fox2s being used. The multiple rounds was very nice to see with the recent F-18 video.

  • @Pyreax865
    @Pyreax865 29 днів тому +1

    I’ve been waiting for this video for so long, it’s finally here.

  • @shreddRRR
    @shreddRRR 28 днів тому

    Yessss! The tracer bullets are back! Thank you kind sir.

  • @GatorAaron
    @GatorAaron 29 днів тому

    Man, I thought you were tossing a whole Raptor at him in the last round there. Yes for all the YF-23 fights.

  • @piusg
    @piusg 28 днів тому

    Watching that first loss with that great spread across center mass was heartbreaking. I love the YF-23. :(

  • @richardkrenek985
    @richardkrenek985 29 днів тому

    I’m finally starting to become capable of calling some of these fights based on what I’m seeing. I appreciate the Tac views and teachings. Thank you GS.

  • @TheGrant65
    @TheGrant65 22 дні тому

    10:37 When you see part of your $100m fighter leaving before you do 😅

  • @tehKLN
    @tehKLN 24 дні тому

    Thank you GS! Love the YF-23 content!

  • @Geto-Dac
    @Geto-Dac 29 днів тому

    second kill was dope. hade to see it twice. great move

  • @standtallvets5386
    @standtallvets5386 29 днів тому

    Yes on the YF-23 2nd fight. Great video!!

  • @willfultrain6779
    @willfultrain6779 29 днів тому +1

    I like how it looks like the two planes just spin in place to turn around. 8:16 like that he's literally sideways, but he's still going in a circle.

    • @benn454
      @benn454 29 днів тому

      "Falling leaves"

  • @kinka16
    @kinka16 29 днів тому +7

    rematch f16 vs yf23 with fox 2s !! with you flying the yf23

  • @Xihnic
    @Xihnic 29 днів тому

    watching the first dogfight is like watching 2 UFO's floating around each other

  • @kittyhawk3831
    @kittyhawk3831 29 днів тому

    I swear, these two birds can trade punches all day long!

  • @Reaper_03-01
    @Reaper_03-01 29 днів тому

    The navalised F-22 angle is correct. David Tussey, who flew A-7Es in the USN, worked in the Pentagon during the ATF competition, and YF-23 was too long to fit onto the existing carrier catapult architecture.
    The cost overruns with the B-2 Spirit did also play a role.

  • @pkmcburroughs
    @pkmcburroughs 24 дні тому

    "What a beautiful aircraft."
    *saws it in half with a burst*

  • @sternthomas4218
    @sternthomas4218 29 днів тому +14

    Why dont you fly the yf-23 in a video?

    • @ascenxt
      @ascenxt 29 днів тому +5

      Probably the cockpit isnt accurate (most likely f15)

    • @benn454
      @benn454 29 днів тому +1

      ​@@ascenxtSame reason he doesn't fly the 35

    • @erikcourtney1834
      @erikcourtney1834 29 днів тому +1

      Who cares if it flys like it’s supposed to… public information

  • @8power0
    @8power0 29 днів тому +1

    THAT WAS SICK,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, THERE HAS GOT TO BE MORE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @Blissenobiarela
    @Blissenobiarela 29 днів тому

    Two wonderful birds!!! ALL The best...

  • @ac9871
    @ac9871 29 днів тому

    Thanks for a great video! Would be great to see the YF-23 fight against Su-57 with you flying the Spider.

  • @Garian9
    @Garian9 29 днів тому

    Beautiful sky battles. Would love to see the YF-23 vs SU-57 dogfight. Loved the "What's happening?!" line on the 2nd round.

  • @yosefwaisman7188
    @yosefwaisman7188 28 днів тому

    New viewer here and your videos and explanations of BFM is awesome to watch! Would love to see a dogfight in terrible weather conditions to spice things up as a potential video idea for the future, keep up the awesome work!

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ 29 днів тому +1

    Very cool battle! The F-22 is Minbari tech but the YF-23 is pure Vorlon!👽⚔🔥

    • @TheOriginalCoda
      @TheOriginalCoda 10 днів тому

      One person (me) got the reference... 😂

  • @vortexrage3918
    @vortexrage3918 29 днів тому

    Yes, I've seen reports that the two different YF-23A aircraft were called (prototype air vehicle) PAV-1 (Grey Ghost) with Prat and Whitney YF119 engines (fuselage painted in lighter Charcoal Grey), and PAV-2 (Spider) which had General Electric YF120 engines and a darker grey scheme. Supposedly, the YF-23 Black Widow II also had a max range of 2,796 miles at a ceiling of 65,000 feet (vs. the YF-22 range of about 2000 miles and 50,000+ foot ceiling). I love both ATF aircraft though, and enjoyed both videos you made with them opposing in BVR and dogfighting each other.

  • @ThatMetalheadMan
    @ThatMetalheadMan 29 днів тому +2

    mistaken video name aside,it does make me wonder how the actual YF-22 would do against its production model F-22 version,if that has not been done.

  • @loading.....9439
    @loading.....9439 27 днів тому

    Cant believe how close they get. Imagine shooting it down just to get a face full of shrapnel off your target. Flying directly through a debris field would have a pucker factor in it self.

  • @EdD-ym6le
    @EdD-ym6le 29 днів тому

    Waiting for this one , even searched around to see if I had missed it . More YF 23 dogfights .

  • @HarlequinWolf
    @HarlequinWolf 29 днів тому

    Another great video. Would love to see you in the 23, going up against some Flanker variants maybe?

  • @JohnnyFaber
    @JohnnyFaber 29 днів тому

    "This guy needs to warm up a little "
    Next fight: "Looks like he warmed right up! 😆

  • @Blackie3107
    @Blackie3107 29 днів тому

    Yes… more YF23! I really love it. Can’t wait for the NGAD to be made public.

  • @entropy11
    @entropy11 29 днів тому

    5:30 that was just a really good snapshot as you passed his nose. He couldn't have seen you there below his nose so maybe he just guessed really well.

  • @Stinger522
    @Stinger522 29 днів тому

    It may not be as maneuverable as the Raptor, but the Black Widow held its own very well.
    And yes, I would love to see a Black Widow Vs. Felon fight.

  • @christianarrington6492
    @christianarrington6492 29 днів тому

    Love to see it do one of the behind enemy lines missions and test its stealth in that scenario.

  • @dannystratyys4002
    @dannystratyys4002 29 днів тому +1

    4:55 You very clearly gave him the kill. You could've jinked and stayed out of his gun sights lol. I've seen how aggressive you can be when you want to. Good sport though :)

  • @Indarow
    @Indarow 29 днів тому

    Damn, a 50/50 matchup in this one!
    That was a badass video.
    It really is a shame we didn’t get both aircraft.

  • @Lancer-6
    @Lancer-6 29 днів тому

    Yes, pliz.. we would love to see That fight.

  • @MrCelloman999
    @MrCelloman999 29 днів тому

    Hahaha Great match! I love how evenly matched these monsters are!

  • @RightWingNutter
    @RightWingNutter 28 днів тому

    Quite the set of knife fights.

  • @1mikesofocused42
    @1mikesofocused42 29 днів тому +1

    Yf23 is mainly good for stealth and hit em from a distance and not get seen. The f22s is good for hit them without being seen up close and dogfights

  • @SidekickZero
    @SidekickZero 29 днів тому

    Almost clicked off the video after the 3rd fight....I was like, that's a wrap lop. Glad I stuck around!

  • @kugelblitzkrieg
    @kugelblitzkrieg 29 днів тому +2

    Funnily enough, the “navalized” F-22 (aka the F-22N or Sea Raptor) would’ve needed to have variable-sweep wings like the Tomcat to be adopted. Even though swing-wings are obsolete in modern fighters, having an F-22 with them would’ve been the most BADASS aircraft a military ever produced (the concept art for it proves that).

    • @TheGoddamnBacon
      @TheGoddamnBacon 29 днів тому +1

      I am curious, where do you find concept art for a swept wing raptor? Can't say that's easy to picture aside from what people theorized the super tomcat would look like.

    • @red94mr28
      @red94mr28 29 днів тому +1

      Why do you think the F-22 would require swept wings? A variant for the USN would have simply incorporated foldable wing tips like the F-35C or F/A-18E/F

    • @kugelblitzkrieg
      @kugelblitzkrieg 29 днів тому

      @@red94mr28 It’s not what _I_ think would be required, it’s specifically what the _Navy_ required on F-22s to adopt it. I’m pretty sure for the Navy, it was less about actually getting the swing wings and moreso about not wanting to adopt the F-22. Gotta remember that the Air Force and Navy kinda hate each other.

    • @kugelblitzkrieg
      @kugelblitzkrieg 29 днів тому +1

      @@TheGoddamnBacon Look up concept art for the F-22N, NATF-22, or the Sea Raptor. It looks like the lovechild between a Raptor and Tomcat and it’s absolutely beautiful.

  • @admiralgrunt2487
    @admiralgrunt2487 28 днів тому

    Looks like a dance off “tango with guns”

  • @miketwain202
    @miketwain202 29 днів тому +4

    That was some Han Solo flying by the YF-23 last round. Crazy how these engagements end sometimes. 🏴‍☠️

  • @amaroluna5902
    @amaroluna5902 29 днів тому

    Thanks for the video! I wanna see more of F-23 in action! 😉

  • @idahobob
    @idahobob 29 днів тому

    Would LOVE to see a BVR battle between these two! Probably will go to the merge anyway so best of both worlds.

  • @DoctyrEvil
    @DoctyrEvil 29 днів тому +9

    I'm surprised the YF-23 didn't force a vertical fight. The TWR on that aircraft is incredibly high, even compared to the F-22.

    • @deltasierracharlie
      @deltasierracharlie 29 днів тому +4

      The T/W ratio on the YF-23 is way higher than that of the F-22 simply because it was a technology demonstrator aircraft not because of something exotic about it. The YF-22 is also way lighter than the F-22.
      And the planned F-23 would also have been much heavier than the YF-23.

    • @Asghaad
      @Asghaad 29 днів тому +1

      Much lighter airframe with the same exact engines... Of course its twr will be much higher

    • @DoctyrEvil
      @DoctyrEvil 29 днів тому

      MY point was more use it or loose it. I guess we saw in the end that both designs at least as understood but DCS, are well matched.

  • @SliceofLife7777
    @SliceofLife7777 29 днів тому +1

    I read back in the late 80s, that the F22 won the contract for various reasons. But according to Lockheed, the Airforce went with the more conservative design. Back then, I hoped the Northrop bird would clinch a Navy contract, but they went with the Super Hornet.
    So why did the F35 not get a supercruise engine? I thought the days of pre-supercruise fighter engines were over.
    We spent a fortune on the ATF program, only to produce a few hundred fighters.

  • @erikcourtney1834
    @erikcourtney1834 29 днів тому +1

    Yf-23 “black widow” vs the world.
    But GS has to be the pilot!

  • @xty9582
    @xty9582 26 днів тому

    Love the F-23, keep using it in video.Would be nice to see it in a long range mission air-to-air where it can use stealth to dominate

  • @Agiselaus
    @Agiselaus 29 днів тому

    I've always wondered about the application of the YF-23 to the JSF program. Seems like a stealthier profile would be beneficial for a ground attack platform as well.

  • @ussgrisham
    @ussgrisham 28 днів тому

    I remember logging many many hours on the early PC game stealth fighter with the YF 23 ahhh 486 gaming be sure to press the turbo button on the PC

  • @steve390gold
    @steve390gold 29 днів тому

    In the same vein as you using the F22 in a ground attack role with the AIM120 you gotta:
    F14 with AIM54 being employed against a T72 air to ground!!!

  • @johnwestmorland3211
    @johnwestmorland3211 27 днів тому

    GS hopefully you get that F22 vs.the SU 37 Terminator, should be a Classic Dogfight, blessings to you brother, keep up the good work 💯

  • @NoogaiBooga
    @NoogaiBooga 29 днів тому +1

    Well now i guess we need a tiebreaker

  • @natedetailscars
    @natedetailscars 29 днів тому

    That "hydraulics failure" call-out was the bane of 11 year old me's existence when playing the F-22: Air Dominance Fighter. Nice to hear it again 😂

  • @razrushitelle
    @razrushitelle 29 днів тому +25

    Umm... YF-23, isn't?

  • @williamhuff6656
    @williamhuff6656 29 днів тому

    On the YF-22 versus YF-23 Air Force decision. At the time, I followed what was going on and recall reading that one thing that hurt the 23 is that the complex curves of the body were harder to manufacture, which would have made it cost more and made repairs more costly. Would love to have seen both of them in the US stable, though.

  • @scroopynoopers248
    @scroopynoopers248 29 днів тому

    I’d love to see more YF-23 dog fights. Including high off boresight fights.

  • @DerInterloper
    @DerInterloper 29 днів тому +1

    Sy57 may not have the stealth, numbers or combat history, but I think it is by far the best looking fighter in my book. Lets see it fight the YF-23!

  • @johnsonmarvin1977
    @johnsonmarvin1977 28 днів тому

    They should call the YF-23 the flying Starfish. Definately see a star from certain angles.

  • @xraw110x
    @xraw110x 22 дні тому

    I'd like to see the same fight. With you piloting the Black Widow GS. 👌🏽