A friend of mine had a manual R32 here in Namibia,he was told the car is a UK import,its not a fast car its actually slow but a fun car and loads of character.
Apologies that i am correcting you : The Ts was launched in late 1993 early 1994 and not 1992. I owned both, VR6 for sound and reliability, just install a big cone filter and you had heads turning all over,but not fast, the TS was for outright speed and consumption , you had guys waiting for it to stop to look to see if it had the 16” turbine wheels or else it was mistaken for the 4 studded 200is., mine was chipped to 200kw by the Group N racing team and nothing much in the day could touch you, not even the M3/ M5 . Those 16v engines were known to crack cylinder heads.
I had a TS kadett as well never had engine problems only gearbox due to a stupid mistake of the mechanic did a clutch job and a rear mounting bolt broke off in the box .... this guy took the box apartment to prevent them from tapping a whole in the box replaced everything and guess what happened 100km later on the R300 .....u crapped my pants when that box blew apart while driving....would love to get one again
@@kenrossaukrsa... lol no ..the guy didn't bolt down a bearing somewhere in the box it apparently bolts to the inside of the bellhousing itself ...u whole in the box but it was welded up .... mechanic refused to take responsibility... ended up with a small oil leak....and then found a box in Johannesburg through gearbox exchange in paarl they took the box out and sent it up with the courier as a sample....and guess what.....the box disappeared in transit....ended up with a 5 speed lost all interest in the car and sold it for R30k
I still remember the TS on the cover of the Car magazine. 160kw printed big over the page. Also the Super boss with no bonnet on the cover of the Car magazine. Think it was August 1989🤔🤔
i am owning a VR6 exactly the same as this one even the colour and also own mk6 Gti DSG but I still love VR6 more than a gti, I love the sound of a VR6 and I am still going to keep it for more few years, many cars fart like gti but VR6 has that own unique sound
@@trentrama2645 owning and driving a TS was like a virgin taking on a slightly heavier porn star in the sack...you had to have bags and bags of confidence to handle it...some did, some didn`t, but everyone tried their best, regardless of those that fell trying...I owned two, survived one crash in the first and then bought another one 10 years later...selling it to move to the U.K was the ultimate low point in my life...
I have owned both of these. The TS was fun and manic , and the VR6 is the Golf ( owned a few )i miss the most. Just something special about that V6 puurrriinng under the bonnet.
Voora will always be remembered for that sound it made. Performance was never great. TS was a monster though. I remember the yellow SAPS ones and the TV ad of it driving around a golf course. True SA cult classic
i was mortified by Hannes who said,and i quote:" i didnt even know this car existed...". WHAT? REALLY? THE HOLY GRAIL OF THAT ERA?YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE KIDDING, RIGHT? its one of the most iconic cars in sa of all time. only 200 were made,most written off already. yes due to power and nobody expecting this thing was that fast for its time. content is good,but if you going to do a piece on a car like this,you need to know your stuff. in the beginning the narrator said there is someone with this type of know-how about these cars....yet he never knew it existed.... come on guys....get this right. .i loved watching the cars again but didnt like the cruising they did. i have a 1983 Mark 1 Golf GTi,1.8 K-Jetronic. busy rebuilding it now but up to this point,it lived a hard life. these cars were made for one thing....to be driven how they were meant to be,FAST. yes tough to get parts for 100% original condition,but as an enthusiastic driver....i cant do gentle. like buying a Lambo and just go to the shops only...na,useless. you buy it cause you want that speed,that feeling of living on the edge. we all different i know,but damn...not using it like it was intended to be used,its a shame and sacrilege.. just my opinion.
@@sanchezlabs169 watch and listen again,the guy said he was on a fishing trip,and they got someone from the cape,my home town,and actually said...Hannes" name as someone who knows these cars.....around the 0'45 mark onwards. i have been buying car mags since my dad started,back in 1973/4. i was only 3 at the time,i love my Car mags,but this requires work,lots from the actual narration and what is said in this video for one. i like it make no mistake,but needs to come into line with facts here,esp if you trying to get a car head to watch more,which i will anyway,but some wont.
Ashley Daniels Hannes is the guy in the car , Ciro is the narrator. Ciro is on a fishing trip and Hannes is driving the car. Hannes knows everything about classics and Ciro does not. Listen properly and u will understand.
@@sanchezlabs169 true story. apologies are in order. couldnt hear the difference in the voices much,until i put on earphones...guess too many high revving 4's,6's,8's 10's and 12's would do that to ones hearing......
Will never forget seeing a neat Silver Ts running against a neat White E46 M3 in Saldanha drags early 2000’s, Damn that Ts was freakin fast in a straight line !😄, it just never let up against that E46 M3 in that particular race ! Will prob never forget that moment 😎
Honestly Opel doesn't make good looking cars except that astra opc in 2012/13, I've had the pleasure of driving a few Vdubs and Opel cars, initially I hated the Opel but after driving the Corsa opc I was then hooked on the brand, the way the opc hugs the road and flattens corners its mind blowing but if you wanna fit in you gotta have a VW, its a matter of preference and I'm a petrol head who'd rather drive The Focus Rs, megane Rs or the obnoxious Honda Civic I don't ever wanna fit in
I had a VR6 and the 1st job of VR6 ownership, is throw away the suspension and fit coilovers, along with new poly bushes. 2nd is bigger brakes and the VR6 is a great handling car, a bit prone to understeer pushing on and had the thirst of a V8 but still a great car....mine put loads of smiles on my face with the noise alone.😎
I have an abiding memory of watching a 200ts and a Suzuki 750 slingshot having a bit of fun between robots down Kitchener avenue in Bez valley one Saturday night on our way to the rave. That car was FAST!
Thanks for bringing South African car culture out for the masses! Love the VR6 noises, I wish we got the fast Opels in Canada, we always want what we can't have
I have a TS for 5 years I have good memories and I have enjoy every moment when I drive and very eye 👀 catching car also it was my sport car and sad that I have sold it Opel make great cars
Opel is in a different league performance wise. Golfs just kept getting heavier, hence the need for a 2.8 V6 in such a small car. Opel/Vauxhall all the way, I just wise we had these insane 200t s in the UK!
Muss man nicht verstehen warum Opel in Europa den Astra F GSI nicht auch als Turbo angeboten hat. Haben das Auto ja fertig für Südafrika und bieten das bei uns nicht an. Wahrscheinlich wieder so ein ganz schlauer von GM gesagt nee nee das braucht ihr in Deutschland und Europa nicht. Diese Spacken haben Opel so richtig schön ruiniert.
@@Clonner In South Africa, we had the Super Boss which was 125kw as it ran a 276cam in it. The 110kw was called the Big Boss also2L 16V with standard camshafts and 2L 8V 96kw was called the Boss. The ABF 2L 16V on the Golf 3 didn't make it to South Africa. I actually retrofitted that engine on my mk2 2L 16V 9A. Funny thing I have owned variants of these cars over years and still drive a mk4 2.8 24V.
Part of the enjoyment of driving a car is the sound a car makes, the Vr6 would drone through you while driving, I bought mine mostly for the sound it make, nothing at the time could give me that, the Opel wasn't bad, but that's all I want to say about it, the Vr6 engine in anything it came in stock, or swapped brings so much joy that only a hater will hate, please do a proper review of the mk3 golf vr6, we have many available in our CPT Group.
So glad to hear that the older Super Boss is so well remembered in SA. I had the lower powered 88/89 Vauxhall GTE 16v (156bhp) back in the 90s and loved my time with it. These are underrated cars in the UK so it's great to see that you guys know just how good these cars (and that incredible engine!) truly are!
When I got to the UK in the late 90's I noticed how rough the examples of these cars looked as the salt on the roads had already taken its toll and street parking didn't help much either. In SA the same aged cars looked to be in a lot better condition and more cherished, whereas by then in the UK they were treated as beaters.
@@haegor yeah I don't think our crappy climate helped matters. Even in the 90s most had rusty rear arches and most had their door locks screwdrivered through theft attempts (either joyriders or stereo thieves) The first GTE I bought (a 84/85? 1.8 8valve) I actually bought new door locks that were a barrel anti drill type as they'd obviously been attacked with a screwdriver. I haven't seen a MK2 Astra on the roads in at least a decade. Our brain-dead government introduced a scrappage scheme 10 or more years ago that gave a large discount on a new car for any old car that was scrapped (and they literally had to be destroyed!) This killed off LOADS of old cars that might still have been on our roads. It was a disgusting idea and classic/retro car magazines were full of pictures of incredible cars waiting to be cubed by scrapyards! This of course was pushed as an environmental scheme even though it was a blatant scam to profit the new car industry. No mention was made of the pollution new car manufacturing causes (suprise suprise!)
Emergency fishing???? What type of fish???? Bass? Tuna? Trout? Carp? Tiger? Yes yes love both cars as well. My father had a VR6 many many moons ago. That sound... And the amount of fuel it used ;)
theres a guy in orkney that has a ts astra in mint original and a original superboss in mint condition...seen them alot, my brother in law had a ts that was tuned and flew up to top speed will never forget that we hit 280 on original 16inch rims crazy drive.
Shaun 100% ......TS motor had nearly 100KW left in it from the 160KW stock level but over 220NM more in torque!!!That is why your brother hooked 280-Calibra was even more of a bullet at top speed with a 0.26 drag co-efficient 300kmh on tuned versions!
200ts was only made in South Africa hence why many people outside of SA Don't know about it. It's crazy to think the 200ts makes more power than a Golf 5 GTI
I remember the naturally aspirated 2.0 16v Kadett of the 200 ts generation was slower than the older generation Superboss. This 200 ts went some way to restoring fans belief that Opel hadn't gone soft.
They put he 95KW 8valve in the GSI that is why ......then switched to the 99KW 1.8 16V motor ....superboss 115KW motor was fitted in a limited run for Delta employees from spare motors kept in the motorsports warehouse.
The 180is however had 99kw on tap and was a 16V, I had a 97 model for a few years and took many 200is from the lights, they`d catch me on top end though...had a TS after that, totally different ball game!
@Sean Gavin South Africa. Back then the Ts version was rare and expensive so instead many people preffered the i and is versions. Only people who were serious about hot hatch racing bought the Ts version
Wow great video Cars.co.za, thanks. The Vr6 is a good modern classic, But the 200ts Kadett's and Astra's are true South African gems. It was so fast in the mid 90's it could see off an E36 M3 over a quarter mile and increase that lead over a half mile. The E36 M3 was also the car the 200ts were created to do battle with after the Superboss vs 325is battles between Mike Briggs and Tony Viana. But the rules changed and these cars never got their chance to face off each other on racing tracks around SA. Pitty, it would have been such an awesome show.
100% not true BMW me e36 210kw 320nm Opel 200ts 151kw 286nm I'm not a bmw fan but I know for a fact that the m spec vehicles were properly respected back in the day and I'm a vr6 owner
M3 was heavy in comparison to the TS......and all it took was a tune and the TS was definately up there with the M3 powerwise.I agree as a young guy watching the Stannic group N .....everyone loved seeing the light little underdog Opel smoke the 325is BMW's around the track. Three wheeling Mike Brigs with a sideways Viana was a laugh to see the contrasting FWD+RWD styles.As soon as it got too expensive Stannic pulled the plug game over -unhappy faced SA motorsports fans. I can still remember the smell of leaded fuel being pushed out the tailpipes LOL.
Back in the day i gave these cars a hard time with my little Honda Ballade Dohc.Robot to Robot ofcoarse...after that it looked like i pulled a handbrake ha ha
Brixton SAPS, Dog Unit, Robbery Unit & Hijack Unit. Drove Opel Kaddets 200ts in the early 90s back when SAPS still had yellow & blue cars instead of white & blue
We never got the 200TS in UK or Ireland, the quickest Opel Kadett / Vauxhall Astra we got was the 2.0 GSi 16v, 3 door. Does anyone know the spec comparison between the GSi 16v and the 200TS ? Edit: So it’s basically a Calibra Turbo 4x4 engine in a Front wheel drive Astra/Kadett
Correct, they had to shoehorn that Calibra motor in, that alone took some skill...the TS was quite literally Satan on the streets of SA for a good few years!
@@menaceIIsociety187 Actually it was just a bit of "Sneaky Marketing" by BMW SA, the German Spec had the seats that only came out in the German M3 Coupe, hence the "German Spec" If you look at an E36 M3 Coupe in the U.K they don`t have those cool seats that the S.A and German editions had...hence the name...
I had my gti engine swaped with a vr6 2.8 at home with a 93 ecu that was with no security. combining the Recaro seats with body kit and red trim that was something different. K n air filter 💪💪
The VR6 was a great car, but the Ts was next level fast then ! The VR6 gearbox lets it down, its throws is way too long, Opel’s F-series gearboxes shorter throws just beats the VW’s for racing fun 😎
The mellow-yellow BON-JOVI....BJV vs VR6(VOORA)...I will take the VR6 for that snap,crackle n pop aka Vrrrrr Phaaaa sound but for speed,bona that 280km/ph(as per speedometer reading) will do.
I drive a stock 93 Kadett 140 with low mileage; and it's an awesome car, always wanted to know how a 200t S drives. Would drive that over a new GTI of this day.
Ts is the benchmark of old. You'll find that it is closer to 160kw on the wheels, if it is the first years batch. Tested with 3(5) different cars on 2 different Dinos.
We had vauxhall astra gsi with the 20xe 150bhp at 1st then the 20xev 134bph then the 1.8ectotec 118bhp But get any vauxhall cavalier turbo (vectra a) or calibra turbo could swap out the engine in the same day ,fast plentiful and cheap
About 50bhp difference and the Astra is the lighter car as well: racing would be a pointless exercise, no matter the speed or gear they start in. The 2.0 turbo Astra just annihilates that lazy, naturally aspirated vr6 golf.
I have to admit you guys are really pushing the game with content! I'm starting to love this sentimetal range you guys are doing! Keep it going!
I remember when the South African Police Flying Squad giving chase in a OPEL ASTRA..... My Gosh, you already knew there is 'KaK' (Trouble)
😂
Took a friend in a friend's Astra back in high, the man was a menace on the road 🤣🤣🙆🏾♂️🙆🏾♂️
😂True
The VR6 is inarguably the best sounding Golf of our time.Very bad we didn’t get the manual transmission on the Golf 5 R32 🤦🏻♂️
We got it in Namibia
A friend of mine had a manual R32 here in Namibia,he was told the car is a UK import,its not a fast car its actually slow but a fun car and loads of character.
Did South Africa get the Vdub mk4 r32? I live in New Zealand and was just wondering.
@@colourslion7938 dont think so,
@@colourslion7938 , NO!!! That was a better looking & well dressed VW Golf for me.
Respect to the VR6 , best sounding vw IMO.
The TS is a collectors item , almost as scarce as the sacred SuperBoss.
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Apologies that i am correcting you : The Ts was launched in late 1993 early 1994 and not 1992. I owned both, VR6 for sound and reliability, just install a big cone filter and you had heads turning all over,but not fast, the TS was for outright speed and consumption , you had guys waiting for it to stop to look to see if it had the 16” turbine wheels or else it was mistaken for the 4 studded 200is., mine was chipped to 200kw by the Group N racing team and nothing much in the day could touch you, not even the M3/ M5 . Those 16v engines were known to crack cylinder heads.
Racing idynamics so what happened to your ts?
I had a TS kadett as well never had engine problems only gearbox due to a stupid mistake of the mechanic did a clutch job and a rear mounting bolt broke off in the box .... this guy took the box apartment to prevent them from tapping a whole in the box replaced everything and guess what happened 100km later on the R300 .....u crapped my pants when that box blew apart while driving....would love to get one again
quinton hendricks did you go 5 speed long ratios after that?
@@kenrossaukrsa... lol no ..the guy didn't bolt down a bearing somewhere in the box it apparently bolts to the inside of the bellhousing itself ...u whole in the box but it was welded up .... mechanic refused to take responsibility... ended up with a small oil leak....and then found a box in Johannesburg through gearbox exchange in paarl they took the box out and sent it up with the courier as a sample....and guess what.....the box disappeared in transit....ended up with a 5 speed lost all interest in the car and sold it for R30k
I still remember the TS on the cover of the Car magazine.
160kw printed big over the page.
Also the Super boss with no bonnet on the cover of the Car magazine. Think it was August 1989🤔🤔
The Opel Kadett 200t S. The ultimate hot hatch of its time!
What happened? :(
Delta Corporation was no more , and the American bean counters returned. General Motors was always a stain on the german opel brand.
@@gvr6079 Ai, how sad!
@Mike Vermaak The fairies came and took it away. Good enough for you ??
Bring back 4 door sports hatches and not just 2 door options.
i am owning a VR6 exactly the same as this one even the colour and also own mk6 Gti DSG but I still love VR6 more than a gti, I love the sound of a VR6 and I am still going to keep it for more few years, many cars fart like gti but VR6 has that own unique sound
The VR6 will always legend in SA! I say keep it forever
Diamond 💎 you got right there
And I thought every 2.0TS had crashed into something in our hands, enjoyed seeing the dream car still today.
Awesome car!!
Of all the unique RSA models we had like Capri Piranha , the Valiant, the 333, the Superboss, the 200ts Opel stands out....
True memory lane of legends. Had the “facelift” 200tS Astra which was reduced to 155Kw. It was still so strong.
People were dying
@@trentrama2645 owning and driving a TS was like a virgin taking on a slightly heavier porn star in the sack...you had to have bags and bags of confidence to handle it...some did, some didn`t, but everyone tried their best, regardless of those that fell trying...I owned two, survived one crash in the first and then bought another one 10 years later...selling it to move to the U.K was the ultimate low point in my life...
I have owned both of these. The TS was fun and manic , and the VR6 is the Golf ( owned a few )i miss the most. Just something special about that V6 puurrriinng under the bonnet.
The vr6 just sounds glorious
Yes it does 2nd best sounding 6 ever next to the 325is
@@shikarbabulall3897 True! The 325is is legendary!!! And those engines could withstand the most brutal of assaults!!!
Please get the 323 FE3 108KW MAZDA PLEASE
Thanks for the classics guys....
@@shikarbabulall3897 the Porsche boxster 6 engine sounds better. VR6 sounds lovely though
I love these classic reviews , really nothing better
Classic rivalry, the Vura and the Bon Jovi!😂❤
A traditional drag race would of been awesome as the cars.
You guys didn't do these cars justice, these were the GOATs of that era
Poor review on great cars
And how could you of not heard of a TS
The worst review ever!
I totally agree with you and they get payed to drive these cars what a shame for cars
A poor review of great cars
Die poes weet NIKS van karre af nie
We have 3 vr6s in mint condition a red ,green and white one . Vr6 is just one helluva car for real and it sounds awesome 😌
Aren't you interested in selling one?
Two timeless classics.... I like!
Voora will always be remembered for that sound it made. Performance was never great. TS was a monster though. I remember the yellow SAPS ones and the TV ad of it driving around a golf course. True SA cult classic
That 200ts brings me back to my youth. Awsome video and two amazing cars
i was mortified by Hannes who said,and i quote:" i didnt even know this car existed...". WHAT? REALLY? THE HOLY GRAIL OF THAT ERA?YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE KIDDING, RIGHT? its one of the most iconic cars in sa of all time. only 200 were made,most written off already. yes due to power and nobody expecting this thing was that fast for its time. content is good,but if you going to do a piece on a car like this,you need to know your stuff. in the beginning the narrator said there is someone with this type of know-how about these cars....yet he never knew it existed.... come on guys....get this right. .i loved watching the cars again but didnt like the cruising they did. i have a 1983 Mark 1 Golf GTi,1.8 K-Jetronic. busy rebuilding it now but up to this point,it lived a hard life. these cars were made for one thing....to be driven how they were meant to be,FAST. yes tough to get parts for 100% original condition,but as an enthusiastic driver....i cant do gentle. like buying a Lambo and just go to the shops only...na,useless. you buy it cause you want that speed,that feeling of living on the edge. we all different i know,but damn...not using it like it was intended to be used,its a shame and sacrilege.. just my opinion.
Ashley Daniels it was Ciro not Hannes who said that.
@@sanchezlabs169 watch and listen again,the guy said he was on a fishing trip,and they got someone from the cape,my home town,and actually said...Hannes" name as someone who knows these cars.....around the 0'45 mark onwards. i have been buying car mags since my dad started,back in 1973/4. i was only 3 at the time,i love my Car mags,but this requires work,lots from the actual narration and what is said in this video for one. i like it make no mistake,but needs to come into line with facts here,esp if you trying to get a car head to watch more,which i will anyway,but some wont.
Ashley Daniels Hannes is the guy in the car , Ciro is the narrator. Ciro is on a fishing trip and Hannes is driving the car. Hannes knows everything about classics and Ciro does not. Listen properly and u will understand.
@@sanchezlabs169 true story. apologies are in order. couldnt hear the difference in the voices much,until i put on earphones...guess too many high revving 4's,6's,8's 10's and 12's would do that to ones hearing......
Opel is an icon in terms of power even their new 1.0T engines kicks out more KW than VW's 1.2 tsi engines. #opelmotorsport🙌
Will never forget seeing a neat Silver Ts running against a neat White E46 M3 in Saldanha drags early 2000’s, Damn that Ts was freakin fast in a straight line !😄, it just never let up against that E46 M3 in that particular race ! Will prob never forget that moment 😎
Saw the 200ts in Car magazine back in the 90s. As a young lightie I fell deep in love with it. My first car love
i remember it too
Opel still makes great cars just that these kids are into VW, check the astra 1.6T 2019 not even an opc variant but man it gives the GTI chest pains 🤣
True but Volkswagen is a more refined vehicle
Opel might of been the best performance hatchbacks of the 90s
But in reality Opel is vw ugly sister
Honestly Opel doesn't make good looking cars except that astra opc in 2012/13, I've had the pleasure of driving a few Vdubs and Opel cars, initially I hated the Opel but after driving the Corsa opc I was then hooked on the brand, the way the opc hugs the road and flattens corners its mind blowing but if you wanna fit in you gotta have a VW, its a matter of preference and I'm a petrol head who'd rather drive The Focus Rs, megane Rs or the obnoxious Honda Civic I don't ever wanna fit in
New Astra opc has my vote
@@tebatsogillopedro243 man is just your opinion! Opel had always more beautiful cars than vw which makes the same shape 45 years
Opc is the best
Awesome video
Enjoyed every moment of it.
Love such content
I had a VR6 and the 1st job of VR6 ownership, is throw away the suspension and fit coilovers, along with new poly bushes.
2nd is bigger brakes and the VR6 is a great handling car, a bit prone to understeer pushing on and had the thirst of a V8 but still a great car....mine put loads of smiles on my face with the noise alone.😎
These are true legends. I have owned two sierra,s 3.0 IRS. I really miss them. Raw old school power
I have an abiding memory of watching a 200ts and a Suzuki 750 slingshot having a bit of fun between robots down Kitchener avenue in Bez valley one Saturday night on our way to the rave. That car was FAST!
I had one and used to regularly race bikes down that road on my way to The Electric Workshop, damn that car was quick!
Man I have a newspaper article of the 200 ts, I love that car, I've read about it , I'm super excited for this video
Thanks for bringing South African car culture out for the masses! Love the VR6 noises, I wish we got the fast Opels in Canada, we always want what we can't have
I have a TS for 5 years I have good memories and I have enjoy every moment when I drive and very eye 👀 catching car also it was my sport car and sad that I have sold it Opel make great cars
That's the best content I have found on UA-cam today thanks for the video guys and this guy who drove knows his stuff
Opel is in a different league performance wise. Golfs just kept getting heavier, hence the need for a 2.8 V6 in such a small car. Opel/Vauxhall all the way, I just wise we had these insane 200t s in the UK!
What hot laps?! Those cars can't run a hot lap without breaking down :))
In Germany they're the Opel Astra f GSi 2.0i 16v 110kw
and golf 3 2.0 16v 110kw too ...they forget about that lul
Muss man nicht verstehen warum Opel in Europa den Astra F GSI nicht auch als Turbo angeboten hat.
Haben das Auto ja fertig für Südafrika und bieten das bei uns nicht an.
Wahrscheinlich wieder so ein ganz schlauer von GM gesagt nee nee das braucht ihr in Deutschland und Europa nicht.
Diese Spacken haben Opel so richtig schön ruiniert.
@@Clonner nein Golf vr6 hatt 174 PS 2.8 oder 2.9 sincro 192 PS
@@dejanvasic643 hehe i know i was talking about GTI they said only 115 ps and thats 8v and not GTI
@@Clonner In South Africa, we had the Super Boss which was 125kw as it ran a 276cam in it. The 110kw was called the Big Boss also2L 16V with standard camshafts and 2L 8V 96kw was called the Boss. The ABF 2L 16V on the Golf 3 didn't make it to South Africa. I actually retrofitted that engine on my mk2 2L 16V 9A. Funny thing I have owned variants of these cars over years and still drive a mk4 2.8 24V.
The reason there was no drag race , the TS would have embarrassed the VR6. The Super boss in the video is a dream.
Part of the enjoyment of driving a car is the sound a car makes, the Vr6 would drone through you while driving, I bought mine mostly for the sound it make, nothing at the time could give me that, the Opel wasn't bad, but that's all I want to say about it, the Vr6 engine in anything it came in stock, or swapped brings so much joy that only a hater will hate, please do a proper review of the mk3 golf vr6, we have many available in our CPT Group.
So glad to hear that the older Super Boss is so well remembered in SA. I had the lower powered 88/89 Vauxhall GTE 16v (156bhp) back in the 90s and loved my time with it. These are underrated cars in the UK so it's great to see that you guys know just how good these cars (and that incredible engine!) truly are!
When I got to the UK in the late 90's I noticed how rough the examples of these cars looked as the salt on the roads had already taken its toll and street parking didn't help much either. In SA the same aged cars looked to be in a lot better condition and more cherished, whereas by then in the UK they were treated as beaters.
@@haegor yeah I don't think our crappy climate helped matters. Even in the 90s most had rusty rear arches and most had their door locks screwdrivered through theft attempts (either joyriders or stereo thieves) The first GTE I bought (a 84/85? 1.8 8valve) I actually bought new door locks that were a barrel anti drill type as they'd obviously been attacked with a screwdriver. I haven't seen a MK2 Astra on the roads in at least a decade. Our brain-dead government introduced a scrappage scheme 10 or more years ago that gave a large discount on a new car for any old car that was scrapped (and they literally had to be destroyed!) This killed off LOADS of old cars that might still have been on our roads. It was a disgusting idea and classic/retro car magazines were full of pictures of incredible cars waiting to be cubed by scrapyards! This of course was pushed as an environmental scheme even though it was a blatant scam to profit the new car industry. No mention was made of the pollution new car manufacturing causes (suprise suprise!)
No drag race.....come on guys . I wouldnt have watched this is if i knew... nice video tho.
@Rick Jess golf is shit, slow and ugly. 200ts and GSI16V is the jest best 90s hot hatch.
Please ask the owners of the cars if they will allow them to race against each other just for the fun of it. Please do a BMW E34 review
Why would they want to ruin such pristine examples of the past era?
Kresien / I'll love that cause that the only reason I'm watching
These 2 plus e30 325is legendary
Emergency fishing???? What type of fish???? Bass? Tuna? Trout? Carp? Tiger? Yes yes love both cars as well. My father had a VR6 many many moons ago. That sound... And the amount of fuel it used ;)
theres a guy in orkney that has a ts astra in mint original and a original superboss in mint condition...seen them alot, my brother in law had a ts that was tuned and flew up to top speed will never forget that we hit 280 on original 16inch rims crazy drive.
Shaun 100% ......TS motor had nearly 100KW left in it from the 160KW stock level but over 220NM more in torque!!!That is why your brother hooked 280-Calibra was even more of a bullet at top speed with a 0.26 drag co-efficient 300kmh on tuned versions!
I love vw i had 6 golfs and jettas before but i must say a opel is a tops car with a amazing road handle.
Love my old Vauxhall's/Opel's and I didnt have a clue the 200T was a thing, cool af car
200ts was only made in South Africa hence why many people outside of SA Don't know about it. It's crazy to think the 200ts makes more power than a Golf 5 GTI
I remember the naturally aspirated 2.0 16v Kadett of the 200 ts generation was slower than the older generation Superboss. This 200 ts went some way to restoring fans belief that Opel hadn't gone soft.
They put he 95KW 8valve in the GSI that is why ......then switched to the 99KW 1.8 16V motor ....superboss 115KW motor was fitted in a limited run for Delta employees from spare motors kept in the motorsports warehouse.
The 180is however had 99kw on tap and was a 16V, I had a 97 model for a few years and took many 200is from the lights, they`d catch me on top end though...had a TS after that, totally different ball game!
You talk about special south african cars but i didn't hear anything about a Honda Ballade AMG :P
That was a good car, a good friend of mine had one, but, nowhere near as potent as a TS...
What? Every petrolhead has heard about the Kadett ts. Come on now.
THANK YOU!!
Yeah, I couldn’t believe it when the narrator said that he’s never heard of a TS. What?!
We had the Vauxhall Astra GSi here in the UK. But it was a non Turbo.
Opel Kadett 200t S was a unicorn back in the day. Im 33yrs and to this day ive only seen 1
@Sean Gavin South Africa. Back then the Ts version was rare and expensive so instead many people preffered the i and is versions. Only people who were serious about hot hatch racing bought the Ts version
I owned one in 2003, got really sick of attempted hi-jackings though...there were quite a few running around then...
Awesome ... thanks for the upload
Wow great video Cars.co.za, thanks. The Vr6 is a good modern classic, But the 200ts Kadett's and Astra's are true South African gems. It was so fast in the mid 90's it could see off an E36 M3 over a quarter mile and increase that lead over a half mile. The E36 M3 was also the car the 200ts were created to do battle with after the Superboss vs 325is battles between Mike Briggs and Tony Viana. But the rules changed and these cars never got their chance to face off each other on racing tracks around SA. Pitty, it would have been such an awesome show.
100% not true
BMW me e36 210kw 320nm
Opel 200ts 151kw 286nm
I'm not a bmw fan but I know for a fact that the m spec vehicles were properly respected back in the day and I'm a vr6 owner
@@ashrafdavids5183 Its true what he said,many have said it before e36 m3 was not a match for the 200ts..sometimes its not all about power on paper.
M3 was heavy in comparison to the TS......and all it took was a tune and the TS was definately up there with the M3 powerwise.I agree as a young guy watching the Stannic group N .....everyone loved seeing the light little underdog Opel smoke the 325is BMW's around the track. Three wheeling Mike Brigs with a sideways Viana was a laugh to see the contrasting FWD+RWD styles.As soon as it got too expensive Stannic pulled the plug game over -unhappy faced SA motorsports fans. I can still remember the smell of leaded fuel being pushed out the tailpipes LOL.
Never heard of a ts?
My thoughts as well. How can you be a car journalist and not know about the 200ts
@@WPcxeWPcxe maybe he is gay
@@rgprgp3454 He is ,he is. He's known as the sausage warmer in the car scenes
@@rgprgp3454 lmao🤣
Back in the day i gave these cars a hard time with my little Honda Ballade Dohc.Robot to Robot ofcoarse...after that it looked like i pulled a handbrake ha ha
When the Popo in South Africa were using this TS wow.
As for the VR6 Wors. Beautifulllll
I am a VW fan, but I'd take the TS over the VR6 any day.
Brixton SAPS, Dog Unit, Robbery Unit & Hijack Unit. Drove Opel Kaddets 200ts in the early 90s back when SAPS still had yellow & blue cars instead of white & blue
We never got the 200TS in UK or Ireland, the quickest Opel Kadett / Vauxhall Astra we got was the 2.0 GSi 16v, 3 door.
Does anyone know the spec comparison between the GSi 16v and the 200TS ?
Edit: So it’s basically a Calibra Turbo 4x4 engine in a Front wheel drive Astra/Kadett
Correct, they had to shoehorn that Calibra motor in, that alone took some skill...the TS was quite literally Satan on the streets of SA for a good few years!
Thats great please more like this,lancer evo 5 audi rs4b5 and lap times drag races itd
lovely video
Back in the days, We compared the TS to the BMW M3 of about the same age... "The German spec"
No such thing as a E36 German spec. It was just folklore
@@menaceIIsociety187 Actually it was just a bit of "Sneaky Marketing" by BMW SA, the German Spec had the seats that only came out in the German M3 Coupe, hence the "German Spec"
If you look at an E36 M3 Coupe in the U.K they don`t have those cool seats that the S.A and German editions had...hence the name...
The Ultimate Hot Hatch battle🔥🔥🔥🔥
Induction noise on the VR6 is just glorious. (Opel is cool too though)
And you didn't race them?
I had my gti engine swaped with a vr6 2.8 at home with a 93 ecu that was with no security. combining the Recaro seats with body kit and red trim that was something different. K n air filter 💪💪
Muhana Ali put up some pics
Excelent videos !
Greetings from Europe !
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the opel astra f gsi th best hot hatch of the 90s and also the astra f platform was the best astra ever it looks amazing and sounds amazing too
This is the first gen opel astra in Europe
Kadett 160kw no wonder 🤣on the other video it beat a BMW 320i like it was stationery.
Hannes never heard of the Opel 200TS? cant take him seriously ever again...
TRUE What a clown
Last time i saw an Opel Astra or Kadette 200TS was back in 2001 in charcoal black
My dad's boss used to have ts, that was an awesome car. Then came the opc
Half the flying squad perished with those 200ts back in the days(yellow ones)
Question is how they got their hands on them in the 1st place being limited to only 200 ?
Brynn Jones im pretty sure they had half of the 200
They use 200is not ts
@@juciyjcurtis7938 only used the 200is after they ran out of 200ts lol
@@andrepaulse9757 no such Ts was limited made they never used them
The VR6 was a great car, but the Ts was next level fast then ! The VR6 gearbox lets it down, its throws is way too long, Opel’s F-series gearboxes shorter throws just beats the VW’s for racing fun 😎
The mellow-yellow BON-JOVI....BJV vs VR6(VOORA)...I will take the VR6 for that snap,crackle n pop aka Vrrrrr Phaaaa sound but for speed,bona that 280km/ph(as per speedometer reading) will do.
If you vura Owner you’d know 1 thing missing is fogs . The moment u start u vura u pull the switch
VR6 all the way my dad still owns one
Same😏
Now i see where the 90s RnB comes from😉😋
One of the best two cars ever made 😎😎😎
A VR6 sounded good but they were not reliable
I drive a stock 93 Kadett 140 with low mileage; and it's an awesome car, always wanted to know how a 200t S drives. Would drive that over a new GTI of this day.
Eem we call it a Astra GSI over in Holland😁.
But never got a turbo... Sadly
The Legend, opel kadett "Karapau"
its also on google maps if you need :)
I love the ts.. iconic vehicle
Nice review
Where can one still get those types of VR6?
160KW?! madness. I'm very happy with my 132KW Astra J 1.6T sedan. VW makes nice Kombis but that's where it ends.
🤣🤣🤣 tops
The Mk3 VR6 is the best retro car ever!
VR6 wins for that sound alone !!! Original vrrpha
Naaths
Naaths
Damn I love the VR6 that sound
In Europe there was an MK3 GTI with 150hp and a 2 liter engine.
Too bad Midvaal road quality isn't that good but still an awesome video 🙌
Ts is the benchmark of old. You'll find that it is closer to 160kw on the wheels, if it is the first years batch. Tested with 3(5) different cars on 2 different Dinos.
Gotta Love a voora. Put it up against a 20v RSi
Opel Power ❤💪🏻
My uncle had a 200 ts and me and my cousins thought it was super cool. He had it for quite some time
We had vauxhall astra gsi with the 20xe 150bhp at 1st then the 20xev 134bph then the 1.8ectotec 118bhp
But get any vauxhall cavalier turbo (vectra
a) or calibra turbo could swap out the engine in the same day ,fast plentiful and cheap
Don't forget the 2.0ltr turbo GTE red top engine
They never was a 2lt redtop (xe) turbo for the mk2 astra gte or the MK3 gsi .only redtop turbo was mk3 cavalier and calibra.
@@andymountain130 VAUXHALL
Astra (Mark 2)
2.0 GTE
C20XE 'RED TOP' Engine
@@andymountain130 and i never ment it put the turbo on this page as i was replying to another page about my zafira gsi
@@ragasdapper they was 1st the 20xe and then the c20xe both same just one as cat ie c20xe both redtop (coscast head's)
Missing Japanese car. Honda Civic Vtec
Waseem Abbas Civics are kinda frowned upon in the car community...
Ffs just drag them against each other already...
About 50bhp difference and the Astra is the lighter car as well: racing would be a pointless exercise, no matter the speed or gear they start in.
The 2.0 turbo Astra just annihilates that lazy, naturally aspirated vr6 golf.
Kadett anyday