Just as a quick note both the Deviate 1 and 2 also had a carbon plate and the Deviate Nitro 2 also had a mix of Nitro Elite and normal Nitro foam like the 3 does. Puma have apparently changed the composition of both those foams for their latest releases which may explain it feeling better than the previous versions but the basic format/setup is the same. While from what I've seen the 3 is more versatile than the 2 I'm surprised you're finding that extra versatility from it being better for tempo/speed work. For me the 2 was very much an uptempo daily trainer with an emphasis on shorter, harder efforts but didn't offer as much on easy and longer runs. With the extra stack height and weight (albeit not that much) in the 3 it seems like they're positioning more as their "super trainer" which can handle those longer runs but perhaps loses out as an out and out speed shoe (sort of how the Saucony Speed changed between the 2 and 3 to basically create the "super trainer" archetype in the first place) with the FST-FWD now being Puma's speed and tempo option. That said, your easy pace is very much in my tempo zone so that may well explain it!
Exactly what I was thinking. Deviate 2 was pretty great for up tempo for me. Slower pace not so much. Thinking of going to the Nitro Elite (3) this generation.
@@BenIsRunning No way! The 3 is clearly firmer! (I have 800km in the DN2 and a second fresh pair and only ran a bit with the DN3 in the shop, but it definitely felt firmer to me). It's weird how subjective this can be. I do remember some other reviewer though also finding the DN3 firmer. I'm also thinking of passing on the DN3 and going for the DNE3 which I tried and was just awesome. Just got a Foreverrun as well which I really like (so far just a very short run).
Puma Deviate Nitro 2 was my first plated shoe. First time putting on a plated shoe felt really good while running and I ran my 5th HM in them. But later on when I bought Saucony Endorphin Pro 2 and other race category plated shoes I noticed a huge difference in the ride. Imo Adidas Boston 12 (it is in direct competition to Puma Deviate Nitro 2)other than the grip is better that Puma Deviate Nitro 2 .The ride is much better in Adidas Boston 12. Agree with you that in the 3rd iteration the Deviate Nitro 3 and the Nitro ELite 3 look very similar and people might get confused. In the second iteration they look very different.
Hi ben love your vids and the honesty that you provide us punters,i hope you continue to reach your own personal goals with running.. Number 1 shoetuber with out a dought...😊
According to PUMA itself the shoe was also developed as sort of a hybrid between a running and training shoe that benefits and excels in hyrox events that they are the official sponsor of.
Good review Ben, love the content always Nice! ( i was looking In the shoe reviews playlist then i found this video because i was gonna see the novablast video. I didnt see the video anywhere else?) Keep going Ben!
The DN2 is a great shoe and I still have an unused pair. I don’t like that huge NITRO on the DN3! I think the Gel Nimbus is much heavier than the DN and I only use it to walk in.
Hi Ben and the running community. You have a new follower from Sevilla (your favourite city for a marathon :) )I am new to the channel and I love all your videos, they are incredible useful and so well done. They are amazing. Just a quick question, I have seen some of you wearing that band around your biceps? is it a specific gear or an armband? Thanks!!
If you’ve tested both shoes, trust me there’s some differences here. Maybe the same name but would put money on the foam composition being different :)
I have the Elite 3 version and it's just so much better than the Elite 2. It's impossible to wear these things out. I use the Elite 2's as my trainers.
I'm looking for the best shoe to get myself regularly under 20mins for 5k parkruns and towards a 40min 10k, having got under 20 for the first time in May in Boston 12s. I don't want to spend a huge amount, and am considering the Takumi Sen 9 on discount. A review covering this topic would be awesome.
I use the Takumi Sen 8s (very similar to the 9) for Parkrun and think it’s ideal for it. It’s very light and responsive with great grip. It’s very nearly as fast as the much more expensive Vaporfly 3. The upper is a bit odd but once you’ve got it on it’s not a problem.
I looked at the 3's but felt they were more like trainers than running shoes. I've just ordered another couple of pairs of the 2 elite before they become obsolete.
I think this is a great track workout shoes, can be daily trainer for those running huge mileage like a sub elite, I think it’s not gonna beneficial for beginner runners, might want to go for foreverrun or velocity for near ground contact
I take it you are happy with the fit? I didn't hear any feedback on fit, but I will admit I skimmed the video. They are useless to me, I had the Deviate 2 and really liked it, ordered the Deviate 3 and they have shrunk the toe box. No one makes half sizes in my territory so I sent them back with the appropriate feedback. So that's it, my relationship with Puma is over 😥
Hey Ben! Loving your content! I was wondering if you had any recommendations for a long run shoe! I`ve been struggling getting my hands on the Asics Gel Nimbus 25 (which I heard were fantastic for long runs) so I was hoping for recs for another shoe!
I got suacony speed4 for daily training but its bit stiff for me for easy miles , its more a steady workout out shoe for me. Id rather bit more cushion feel for easier miles
Nice review! I have three Asics shoes in my rotation; Lyteracer 4 (daily), Hyperspeed 2 (tempo) and Magic Speed 3 (race). I would like to get Asics Superblast, but they're impossible to find, even though I live in Japan...
Ben can you please clarify your position on this shoe under cutting the Deviate Elite. I know that your an Elite runner but the majority of us are not so this shoe may suit an average hobby jogger who isn’t looking or requiring the Deviate Elite. Why are concerned about this shoe under cutting the more expensive high performance shoe that many of us may not need to purchase? I totally respect your acumen and your extraordinary abilities but I’d like to understand your perspective better because I’m here for this shoe so the under cutting which would take $ away from Puma never really occurred to me. Hope u can help me to understand.
I’m not an elite :) My point here is that it’s now so close to the top line trainer, for most people it would mean that the elite 3 isn’t considered for race day which for me is a much better option. In reflection for most it’s a good thing though as you can save your money and still get a solid performance from the deviate 3
Thanks for the review, I believe that‘s exactly what I‘m after. Maybe I missed it- are they true to size? Ordering shoes online from a brand I never had before is somewhat risky..More than once I ended up with shoes slightly too small or too big.
hello ben, big fan of your content, my easy pace is 7:00/k and my tempo is 5:30/k, i use the saucony speed 3 for all my runs( i got 3 pairs), do you think that puma deviate nitro 3 will suit me as well for any kind of run? thanks a lot !!
I can only really speak from my experience of the shoe really but at both my easy and tempo paces it works very well so I’d expect you’d have a similar experience :)
Ben - is there any chance you can do a video on suitable running shoes for runners that have to use Orthotics….its a nightmare. I cannot find a plate shoe that will fit an orthotic into it, if any of your subscribers have any feedback, please share any info please - Thanks
Hi Ben, you said it’s a lot closer to the more expensive nitro 3 elite option. As you’re someone who’s run in both, what were the main differences you felt? why would someone buy this version instead of the elite version?
The deviate nitro 2 has a composite carbon plate. 6mm drop , a blend of nitro and nitro elite foam. The plate is forked too. The deviate nitro 3 is a 10mm drop , nitro foam only, not nitro elite. More stack. The plate is still forked and carbon . Info from our Puma rep and Puma website if anyone interested. Love how you gave your stats at the beginning Ben, all relevant to how the shoe responds 🎉
I’m curious if you would have any major concerns running a marathon in these out of the box? I picked up some of these last minute and my race is only a couple days away. I know it’s probably not ideal.
Not ideal your right for sizing purposes but I honestly thing you’ll be fine in these! They didn’t need any wearing in for me, try get a few runs in them though if you can just to be sure x
Hi Ben, can you review the Altra Vanish Carbon 2? They are a zero drop shoe with a large toe box, so perhaps something a bit different than what you'd usually wear.
currently looking for new trainers for a half marathon i have in just over 2 weeks - do you think these would be good for longer distance races like the 1/2, full marathon? currently overwhelmed by all the choice out there😅
never mind, i’ve just watched your bit saying this would be better for daily running than race day😆 do you have any top suggestions for race day trainers?🙏🏼
Do you have any special shoe recommendations for forefoot strikers? I transitioned from midfoot last year and most typical running shoes feel like they don't have enough cushion in the forefoot. Novablast and Superblast feel good on shorter runs (up to ~6-7mi) but get tough on longer runs. I heard overall lower drop could help but I'm not sure about the running feeling.
I don’t I’m afriad, can only talk from my experience but would be a good idea to visit your local running specialty store as they’ll certainly be able to answer this :)
Was there any Forefoot/impact zone slippage with these shoes? I noticed at higher paces, friction from foot slippage makes it feel like running on frying pans.
Hi all, running watch question. Currently have a garmin forerunner 265 and noticing some of the metrics (hr, sleep, hrv) are way off, considering buying a Coros pace 3 instead, does anyone have any advice on it?
Hello all. So, I’m 46 yrs old, and have set a goal for a half marathon of 1hr 20 mins. Is this possible at my age with proper training and diet? I have about 6-7 months until my race and I’m right now, about 1hr 50 half marathon runner.
It's not impossible but I certainly would think that would be a very big jump to take 30mins off in a half a year period but depends on how much training you've done previously, when you ran you PB ect.
Sounds a bit extreme if you ask me as sub 1:30 is an achievement alone, and in such a short timespan as 6-7 months, sub 1:20 sounds....extreme. Don't want to put you off setting ambitious goals but it might be one that ends in 2 likely scenarios: a) you don't make it b) worst case you end up injured due to ramping up your training too fast (1:20 requires a lot of mileage). But I wish you all the best, I'm not looking to be mr negative here 😊
@@BenIsRunningit’s been about 9yrs, but I have ran a PB of 1:18 half marathon, and have slacked off pretty bad since. I don’t think I’ve done better then 1:46 since. Nevertheless, I do feel it might be an aggressive (slightly impossible) attempt.
At 52 my first half was 1:44, set a goal of sub 1:30 for my next one. It was a big jump to increase training load and faster speed sessions that led to plantar fasciitis and peroneal tendonitis and 4 months of no running. That's a big jump in performance, the lesson I learned is it's better to do it gradually, there's no rush.
A 4-month newbie in running at the pace of 6:30”/km for 10K. Only tried the Pegasus 40 so far. Will this shoe be a good upgrade for me as a shoe that can do everything from daily, easy, interval, weekend long run to HM in the future?
Just as a quick note both the Deviate 1 and 2 also had a carbon plate and the Deviate Nitro 2 also had a mix of Nitro Elite and normal Nitro foam like the 3 does. Puma have apparently changed the composition of both those foams for their latest releases which may explain it feeling better than the previous versions but the basic format/setup is the same.
While from what I've seen the 3 is more versatile than the 2 I'm surprised you're finding that extra versatility from it being better for tempo/speed work. For me the 2 was very much an uptempo daily trainer with an emphasis on shorter, harder efforts but didn't offer as much on easy and longer runs. With the extra stack height and weight (albeit not that much) in the 3 it seems like they're positioning more as their "super trainer" which can handle those longer runs but perhaps loses out as an out and out speed shoe (sort of how the Saucony Speed changed between the 2 and 3 to basically create the "super trainer" archetype in the first place) with the FST-FWD now being Puma's speed and tempo option.
That said, your easy pace is very much in my tempo zone so that may well explain it!
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Exactly what I was thinking. Deviate 2 was pretty great for up tempo for me. Slower pace not so much. Thinking of going to the Nitro Elite (3) this generation.
Just a quick note 😂 Appreciate that clarification. The 2 for me was much firmer and offered less energy return for my long intervals and tempo :)
@@BenIsRunning No way! The 3 is clearly firmer! (I have 800km in the DN2 and a second fresh pair and only ran a bit with the DN3 in the shop, but it definitely felt firmer to me). It's weird how subjective this can be. I do remember some other reviewer though also finding the DN3 firmer. I'm also thinking of passing on the DN3 and going for the DNE3 which I tried and was just awesome. Just got a Foreverrun as well which I really like (so far just a very short run).
Puma Deviate Nitro 2 was my first plated shoe. First time putting on a plated shoe felt really good while running and I ran my 5th HM in them. But later on when I bought Saucony Endorphin Pro 2 and other race category plated shoes I noticed a huge difference in the ride. Imo Adidas Boston 12 (it is in direct competition to Puma Deviate Nitro 2)other than the grip is better that Puma Deviate Nitro 2 .The ride is much better in Adidas Boston 12.
Agree with you that in the 3rd iteration the Deviate Nitro 3 and the Nitro ELite 3 look very similar and people might get confused.
In the second iteration they look very different.
stoked to see a review from you!
Hi ben love your vids and the honesty that you provide us punters,i hope you continue to reach your own personal goals with running..
Number 1 shoetuber with out a dought...😊
Hi Ben, I'd be interested in a review of Mizuno's Neo Vista. Thanks for all of your great videos. Keep on truckin'!
Noted! Will keep racking up the miles in them :) closing in on 60miles
Although as you note both shoes are plated, the Saucony Speed 4 only has a plastic plate vs carbon on the Nitro 3.
According to PUMA itself the shoe was also developed as sort of a hybrid between a running and training shoe that benefits and excels in hyrox events that they are the official sponsor of.
Good review Ben, love the content always Nice! ( i was looking In the shoe reviews playlist then i found this video because i was gonna see the novablast video. I didnt see the video anywhere else?)
Keep going Ben!
You found the secret link aha! Its only just gone live now
Picked up the Deviate nitro 2's for €68 during the week and their my second pair. I agree that their a great shoe and I prefer them to the Saucony
Hi Ben, would you say they'd be good for running a marathon @ 3:55/KM pace or should I go for the Elite? Thanks
Can we expect a review of Asics Superblast 2 soon? Just curiosity really like ur reviews so.
The DN2 is a great shoe and I still have an unused pair. I don’t like that huge NITRO on the DN3! I think the Gel Nimbus is much heavier than the DN and I only use it to walk in.
Great content!
I do like the way they look!
Hi Ben and the running community. You have a new follower from Sevilla (your favourite city for a marathon :) )I am new to the channel and I love all your videos, they are incredible useful and so well done. They are amazing. Just a quick question, I have seen some of you wearing that band around your biceps? is it a specific gear or an armband? Thanks!!
Could you do a Q and A video?
Yeah...same foam and plate setup as version 2 I believe.
If you’ve tested both shoes, trust me there’s some differences here. Maybe the same name but would put money on the foam composition being different :)
I have the Elite 3 version and it's just so much better than the Elite 2. It's impossible to wear these things out. I use the Elite 2's as my trainers.
It’s night and day between the shoes! I was blown away by the new one having not had huge expectations based on the older model
I feel at a slower pace it’s a bit unforgiving as it wants you to go faster but otherwise a superb upgrade from Puma
The elite 3 I mean
Ben's recovery pace was my zone 4 😅😂
Long hair ben is back guys
in my mind i read it in the voice of Uruk-hai
loves your videos - you need something to protect the mic from the wind though 😊
Noted! Thanks
I'm looking for the best shoe to get myself regularly under 20mins for 5k parkruns and towards a 40min 10k, having got under 20 for the first time in May in Boston 12s. I don't want to spend a huge amount, and am considering the Takumi Sen 9 on discount. A review covering this topic would be awesome.
I use the Takumi Sen 8s (very similar to the 9) for Parkrun and think it’s ideal for it. It’s very light and responsive with great grip. It’s very nearly as fast as the much more expensive Vaporfly 3. The upper is a bit odd but once you’ve got it on it’s not a problem.
Hi Ben, Does these shoes require break-in?
If yes, what is the approximate distance for that?
I think the regular nitro might do better , it is heavier than the elite, but it lasts longer in the run and does not bottom out
I looked at the 3's but felt they were more like trainers than running shoes. I've just ordered another couple of pairs of the 2 elite before they become obsolete.
I think this is a great track workout shoes, can be daily trainer for those running huge mileage like a sub elite, I think it’s not gonna beneficial for beginner runners, might want to go for foreverrun or velocity for near ground contact
I take it you are happy with the fit?
I didn't hear any feedback on fit, but I will admit I skimmed the video.
They are useless to me, I had the Deviate 2 and really liked it, ordered the Deviate 3 and they have shrunk the toe box.
No one makes half sizes in my territory so I sent them back with the appropriate feedback.
So that's it, my relationship with Puma is over 😥
Hey Ben! Loving your content!
I was wondering if you had any recommendations for a long run shoe! I`ve been struggling getting my hands on the Asics Gel Nimbus 25 (which I heard were fantastic for long runs) so I was hoping for recs for another shoe!
My favourite long run shoe at the moment is the Asics Superblast 2. It’s a very expensive shoe but the best for protection and comfortable at any pace
@@BenIsRunning madman. Thank you so much for the reply! Will look at it! Cheers :)
I got suacony speed4 for daily training but its bit stiff for me for easy miles , its more a steady workout out shoe for me. Id rather bit more cushion feel for easier miles
Same for me with Speed 3. I think it's a matter of runner's weight to feel stiff or soft for easy run. I'm not a heavy guy..
Yeah I personally don’t particularly like it for my easy runs but definitely the fastest ‘daily’ I have
@@BenIsRunning and you're even 10 kg lighter than me haha it really comes down to weight on ride experience
Nice review! I have three Asics shoes in my rotation; Lyteracer 4 (daily), Hyperspeed 2 (tempo) and Magic Speed 3 (race). I would like to get Asics Superblast, but they're impossible to find, even though I live in Japan...
Oh really, the Superblast is up there with the best of all time in my opinion so keep searching 😂
Ben can you please clarify your position on this shoe under cutting the Deviate Elite.
I know that your an Elite runner but the majority of us are not so this shoe may suit an average hobby jogger who isn’t looking or requiring the Deviate Elite. Why are concerned about this shoe under cutting the more expensive high performance shoe that many of us may not need to purchase?
I totally respect your acumen and your extraordinary abilities but I’d like to understand your perspective better because I’m here for this shoe so the under cutting which would take $ away from Puma never really occurred to me.
Hope u can help me to understand.
I’m not an elite :) My point here is that it’s now so close to the top line trainer, for most people it would mean that the elite 3 isn’t considered for race day which for me is a much better option. In reflection for most it’s a good thing though as you can save your money and still get a solid performance from the deviate 3
Thanks for the review, I believe that‘s exactly what I‘m after. Maybe I missed it- are they true to size? Ordering shoes online from a brand I never had before is somewhat risky..More than once I ended up with shoes slightly too small or too big.
Thanks for the nice review. Short question, how many km can you do with it, before you will have to buy a new pair?
The previous version has a carbon plate in it and nitro elite also, so it's not as different
The foam is a different compound I believe, much softer and poppy
hello ben, big fan of your content, my easy pace is 7:00/k and my tempo is 5:30/k, i use the saucony speed 3 for all my runs( i got 3 pairs), do you think that puma deviate nitro 3 will suit me as well for any kind of run? thanks a lot !!
I can only really speak from my experience of the shoe really but at both my easy and tempo paces it works very well so I’d expect you’d have a similar experience :)
@@BenIsRunning thanks a lot for the feedback!
Hi is this a stable shoe? Currently running in the Puma foreverrun..might give these a go..thanks!
Puma Deviate Nitro 3 vs Asics Novablast 4, which is is more comfortable and bouncier?
Thank you mate
Ben - is there any chance you can do a video on suitable running shoes for runners that have to use Orthotics….its a nightmare. I cannot find a plate shoe that will fit an orthotic into it, if any of your subscribers have any feedback, please share any info please - Thanks
Hi Ben, quick question.. what's the leg rub you use pre-run? Thanks very much. Ollie
Hi Ben, you said it’s a lot closer to the more expensive nitro 3 elite option. As you’re someone who’s run in both, what were the main differences you felt? why would someone buy this version instead of the elite version?
Improvements: weight, the heel counter isn't great,, and I don't think the plate is 100% carbon, but not 100 💯 sure.
The plate is certainly less rigid but that’s probably best for a daily
The deviate nitro 2 has a composite carbon plate. 6mm drop , a blend of nitro and nitro elite foam. The plate is forked too.
The deviate nitro 3 is a 10mm drop , nitro foam only, not nitro elite. More stack. The plate is still forked and carbon . Info from our Puma rep and Puma website if anyone interested.
Love how you gave your stats at the beginning Ben, all relevant to how the shoe responds 🎉
Hello Ben, very nice all your running, I need a nike air zoom victory spikes shoes. I live in Peru, Could you help me get them?
I am a 6 foot 2 runner weighing 82kg with a slightly overpronation. Would these shoes be good for me?
I’m curious if you would have any major concerns running a marathon in these out of the box? I picked up some of these last minute and my race is only a couple days away. I know it’s probably not ideal.
Not ideal your right for sizing purposes but I honestly thing you’ll be fine in these! They didn’t need any wearing in for me, try get a few runs in them though if you can just to be sure x
Hi Ben, can you review the Altra Vanish Carbon 2? They are a zero drop shoe with a large toe box, so perhaps something a bit different than what you'd usually wear.
I’ve tried zero drop and they don’t work for me, sorry :)
Please review the Hoka Clifton 9
currently looking for new trainers for a half marathon i have in just over 2 weeks - do you think these would be good for longer distance races like the 1/2, full marathon? currently overwhelmed by all the choice out there😅
never mind, i’ve just watched your bit saying this would be better for daily running than race day😆 do you have any top suggestions for race day trainers?🙏🏼
Do you have any special shoe recommendations for forefoot strikers? I transitioned from midfoot last year and most typical running shoes feel like they don't have enough cushion in the forefoot. Novablast and Superblast feel good on shorter runs (up to ~6-7mi) but get tough on longer runs. I heard overall lower drop could help but I'm not sure about the running feeling.
I don’t I’m afriad, can only talk from my experience but would be a good idea to visit your local running specialty store as they’ll certainly be able to answer this :)
5:48 , this one is true
Doesn't help that theyre both orange and black but i guess thats for the olympics :)
Yep exactly
Was there any Forefoot/impact zone slippage with these shoes? I noticed at higher paces, friction from foot slippage makes it feel like running on frying pans.
Would you say this shoe is good for easy pace long run past 16km??
For Easy runs use puma velocity nitro 3. For tempo, tresholds etc use the deviate 3
Yes for me they are great for long easy running and also have the ability to pick it up for a progressive finish
Just thought about using it as a track / interval shoe also , trying to decide between Puma or the Takumi Sen 10
@@AshSmash981 I suggest you try both on and see which one fits better. The puma has extra space in the toebox.
Hi all, running watch question. Currently have a garmin forerunner 265 and noticing some of the metrics (hr, sleep, hrv) are way off, considering buying a Coros pace 3 instead, does anyone have any advice on it?
How does this shoe perform on longer runs around 20-25k?
Pretty good! Plenty of bouncy cushioning
Stil using 1st gen of this shoe 😆
Must be that puma grip
Hello all. So, I’m 46 yrs old, and have set a goal for a half marathon of 1hr 20 mins. Is this possible at my age with proper training and diet? I have about 6-7 months until my race and I’m right now, about 1hr 50 half marathon runner.
It's not impossible but I certainly would think that would be a very big jump to take 30mins off in a half a year period but depends on how much training you've done previously, when you ran you PB ect.
At 34 I went 1h58 to 1h26 in 7 months. Sub 1h20 is another step. Anythings possible
Sounds a bit extreme if you ask me as sub 1:30 is an achievement alone, and in such a short timespan as 6-7 months, sub 1:20 sounds....extreme. Don't want to put you off setting ambitious goals but it might be one that ends in 2 likely scenarios: a) you don't make it b) worst case you end up injured due to ramping up your training too fast (1:20 requires a lot of mileage). But I wish you all the best, I'm not looking to be mr negative here 😊
@@BenIsRunningit’s been about 9yrs, but I have ran a PB of 1:18 half marathon, and have slacked off pretty bad since. I don’t think I’ve done better then 1:46 since. Nevertheless, I do feel it might be an aggressive (slightly impossible) attempt.
At 52 my first half was 1:44, set a goal of sub 1:30 for my next one.
It was a big jump to increase training load and faster speed sessions that led to plantar fasciitis and peroneal tendonitis and 4 months of no running.
That's a big jump in performance, the lesson I learned is it's better to do it gradually, there's no rush.
After run a marathon with this shoes i want to throw in garbage so bad zero stability that i must to tell sorry will back to hoka
How tall are you?
Not at all stable shoes rolled my ankle in it
For me, a daily trainer shouldn't have a plate in.
Random comment to boost views
Asics gel nimbus ???????? I mean. Absolutely not dear
DILIKES
It's just an uninspired, boring looking shoe with a bright color.
A 4-month newbie in running at the pace of 6:30”/km for 10K. Only tried the Pegasus 40 so far. Will this shoe be a good upgrade for me as a shoe that can do everything from daily, easy, interval, weekend long run to HM in the future?
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