I lnow you don't post vods, but could you make an exception for the Atomic Clock Dooley run from last stream? It really was something special to behold.
I like your idea that you mentioned about crow's nest because I would love to see any legit counter play to freeze. The dev said that freeze "is okay because it only just feels bad when you lose to it", and man was he right about it feeling bad, but it is because there is currently no legit counter play to it. Everyone getting a couple okay items that counter freeze would be very nice :D
37:40 Cool suggestion for Crow's Nest imo! Maybe you could do a video just with a collection of your design tweaks like this to make them more visible. (Even if it had no effect on the design team I think it would be entertaining from a "discussing the meta" angle.)
Solar farm now has a secret quest when going to the Monster Farm. You have an additional option that grants 5gold and 1xp, similar to the star chart at the docks.
In my opinion there's two (main) reasons why Dooley feels bad to be up against. 1. Fire and poison are scaling by themselves (poison by default, burn starts as you reach 2/sec). Since they're scaling already an item that realiably scales them more, and not just a little more feels way too punishing. Basically means nothing outscales it, so pushing for a "long fight" is impossible, and it all comes from a small item. In the video's example in a fairly short fight (the last one, ~10 seconds) an item which burned for 6 by default got up to 34. That item's base cooldown is 4 seconds, so with 0 haste it's already going from 1.5 burn/sec to 8.5 burn/sec almost a 500% increase. Could do the math for the rest of the board but I think my point is understandable. It's incredible scaling ON a scaling damage type. Same is true for poison and the other ray. Only other thing I can imagine matching that scaling is a heavily stacked Gym with Atlatl, as it's the same principle, BUT even that has the soft-limit of 1 attack/second, meaning it'll turn linear. (And you can't really do anything with the Atlatl without it's support items, and Gym is not findable at bronze). (I haven't even talked about beta ray, a freeze item, that can be charged quickly and it also scales your poison/burn. Just compare it with Ice pick). 2. The reason poison feels more annoying is people are trying to burst. Since the scaling can't really be matched, it's either a one-shot or at least a very fast kill. Possibly with a bunch of freeze. That usually works against burn, unless they just rolled better, (in this case the duct tape pivot was very well played) but it won't work against companion lizard becase of the one skill that should never exist. "Corrosive poison". It basically massacres it's counter. Unless you waaay highrolled with like a sniper one-shot, or you kill in a couple seconds with diamond crook Pyg, otherwise only Dooley can beat it. A scaling damage type, getting scaled and then it also doubles as a weapon defense for the price of a skill slot is incredibly annoying. To add a personal experience, I tried to shield a Dooley. Figured I lose against poison, but I should be fine against burn. Build consisted of landscraper, and robes, 2 yo-yos on the side not sure what were the last slots(Bird/marble/jewelry something along those lines), but they were there to trigger Yo-yos which in turn triggered landscraper for a bunch of shield. I managed to hold out until burn Dooley stacked ~3K burn on me and I still died. I'd take getting permafrozen from a port-Vanessa as you needed waaay higher rolls to get that. In turn it was less common, and I could stack enough defense against burst Vanessa, unless it was an incredible highroll. Sorry for my rant. Great video as always Retro! Learned a lot about the game watching you.
He didn't do that because bomb squad needs an adjacent friend, and pulse rifle is not a friend item. NGL I think that there should be allot more friends in the game, but this will all change with the new heroes coming next year ❤
@@jacobcrozier5062 the damage and shield from pulse rifle, plus the activation of the core x3 would more than make up for the 2 sec charge from another friend.
Reto i love the starter tech you use sometimes, removing all items from the board. One problem with it tho.... i only DONT have Kyver Drone available when my board is hot trash and i need to use the tech lol.
The good news is Pyro, Banannabal, and Kimono can always be beaten with 0 functional items on board, and Fanged Inglet has like a less than .5% chance of killing you (based on crits) so there is always a start that you can beat with nothing. I just usually go for Kyver because the CDR wing is good on any board.
Dooley is legit unfair and just it feels super unfun to play in the meta right now. I spent all game building up a pig to like 40k hp and I just get perma frozen and have 2k stacks of burn in 20 seconds. what is the counter play to that? my Hog Wash did not activate one time it's a 4 second CD. I have 40k hp and he burned me down and froze me with no counter play. I don't blame the player I just think the game is not in a good spot unless you want to play dooley mirros.
Retro, please I wanna see you do a full on shameless run with each of the characters. Pick the absolute best choice, ethics be irrelevant.
I agree! Could even make them into a vid with two runs for classes that end well within the 30 mins mark.
Agreed
PLEASE
Sharkray counting as a ray is the product of a mad genius.
Made me sooo happy the first time it was pointed out. Ilusoray also gets credit 😆
I lnow you don't post vods, but could you make an exception for the Atomic Clock Dooley run from last stream? It really was something special to behold.
I think I probably will, yeah. It was too stupid to not share.
@@Retromationniiice
I love how you kept those two poison junk items in your inventory the entire game.
I like your idea that you mentioned about crow's nest because I would love to see any legit counter play to freeze. The dev said that freeze "is okay because it only just feels bad when you lose to it", and man was he right about it feeling bad, but it is because there is currently no legit counter play to it. Everyone getting a couple okay items that counter freeze would be very nice :D
"reward the peaceful, punish the war-ful" kina says as she sells you the ray that melts people's face off.
37:40 Cool suggestion for Crow's Nest imo! Maybe you could do a video just with a collection of your design tweaks like this to make them more visible. (Even if it had no effect on the design team I think it would be entertaining from a "discussing the meta" angle.)
It's so funny to watch both retromation and northernlion, especially because the latter has come to hate Dooley so much
Solar farm now has a secret quest when going to the Monster Farm. You have an additional option that grants 5gold and 1xp, similar to the star chart at the docks.
In my opinion there's two (main) reasons why Dooley feels bad to be up against.
1. Fire and poison are scaling by themselves (poison by default, burn starts as you reach 2/sec). Since they're scaling already an item that realiably scales them more, and not just a little more feels way too punishing. Basically means nothing outscales it, so pushing for a "long fight" is impossible, and it all comes from a small item. In the video's example in a fairly short fight (the last one, ~10 seconds) an item which burned for 6 by default got up to 34. That item's base cooldown is 4 seconds, so with 0 haste it's already going from 1.5 burn/sec to 8.5 burn/sec almost a 500% increase. Could do the math for the rest of the board but I think my point is understandable. It's incredible scaling ON a scaling damage type. Same is true for poison and the other ray.
Only other thing I can imagine matching that scaling is a heavily stacked Gym with Atlatl, as it's the same principle, BUT even that has the soft-limit of 1 attack/second, meaning it'll turn linear. (And you can't really do anything with the Atlatl without it's support items, and Gym is not findable at bronze). (I haven't even talked about beta ray, a freeze item, that can be charged quickly and it also scales your poison/burn. Just compare it with Ice pick).
2. The reason poison feels more annoying is people are trying to burst. Since the scaling can't really be matched, it's either a one-shot or at least a very fast kill. Possibly with a bunch of freeze. That usually works against burn, unless they just rolled better, (in this case the duct tape pivot was very well played) but it won't work against companion lizard becase of the one skill that should never exist. "Corrosive poison". It basically massacres it's counter. Unless you waaay highrolled with like a sniper one-shot, or you kill in a couple seconds with diamond crook Pyg, otherwise only Dooley can beat it. A scaling damage type, getting scaled and then it also doubles as a weapon defense for the price of a skill slot is incredibly annoying.
To add a personal experience, I tried to shield a Dooley. Figured I lose against poison, but I should be fine against burn. Build consisted of landscraper, and robes, 2 yo-yos on the side not sure what were the last slots(Bird/marble/jewelry something along those lines), but they were there to trigger Yo-yos which in turn triggered landscraper for a bunch of shield. I managed to hold out until burn Dooley stacked ~3K burn on me and I still died.
I'd take getting permafrozen from a port-Vanessa as you needed waaay higher rolls to get that. In turn it was less common, and I could stack enough defense against burst Vanessa, unless it was an incredible highroll.
Sorry for my rant. Great video as always Retro! Learned a lot about the game watching you.
Was waiting for shielded pulse rifle the whole game 😢
Liking and Commenting on the video to support the series
underrated hero of dooley runs: uzi
Am I sleeping on it then? I’ve never picked it up lol
Maybe I’ll change that
I was feining for him to put in that pulse rifle next to the bomb squad the whooooole game😂
He didn't do that because bomb squad needs an adjacent friend, and pulse rifle is not a friend item. NGL I think that there should be allot more friends in the game, but this will all change with the new heroes coming next year ❤
@@jacobcrozier5062 the damage and shield from pulse rifle, plus the activation of the core x3 would more than make up for the 2 sec charge from another friend.
I don't know if you saw or know slay the spire 2 is coming out soon ish are you gonna play that
I like the zoom in on the art, pls do it more
Reto i love the starter tech you use sometimes, removing all items from the board. One problem with it tho.... i only DONT have Kyver Drone available when my board is hot trash and i need to use the tech lol.
The good news is Pyro, Banannabal, and Kimono can always be beaten with 0 functional items on board, and Fanged Inglet has like a less than .5% chance of killing you (based on crits) so there is always a start that you can beat with nothing. I just usually go for Kyver because the CDR wing is good on any board.
Dooley day
Great episode
Is it just me but does the fire ray’s beam look like the I remember chocolate fish from SpongeBob
What is that man’s gold??? 9:31
Has there been any word about an open beta?
Some time in January, it's at the top of the description.
Nice
Dooley is legit unfair and just it feels super unfun to play in the meta right now. I spent all game building up a pig to like 40k hp and I just get perma frozen and have 2k stacks of burn in 20 seconds. what is the counter play to that? my Hog Wash did not activate one time it's a 4 second CD. I have 40k hp and he burned me down and froze me with no counter play. I don't blame the player I just think the game is not in a good spot unless you want to play dooley mirros.
I think I'm early 👁️👁️
Same, thankfully good timing for me again
I see, I understand now 🤔
"First" ❌
"I think I'm early" ✔️
Another great day, another busted build