They keep swinging for the fences with a poor pitches. Most fans and owners don't seem to have any patients when it comes to team building and being competitive.
Also some teams are not good at developing young talent! Ironically it's a lot of defensive minded teams that struggle the most. Both Pittsburgh and New England got lucky with Ben Roethlisberger and Tom Brady
@@Tubalcain422 he's a backup, doesn't matter about the player element. He's clearly just happy to be away from the dictatorship of Herr Bill and I like that for him
Eh, Huff is massively overrated and will fall off when teams can actually block him instead of focusing everything on people like Quinnen Williams...Huff put up decent performances, not worthy of his new contract, because he was never focused on by offenses....now he will be and his play will suffer for it.
I keep seeing all over the Internet how bad the 2022 class is. But all I can think is 2021 was so so much worse. Thanks for finally pointing out the obvious
2021 and 2022 Draft classes were bad, and I think COVID played a big part of it. College football had all kinds of restrictions in place in the 2020 and 2021 seasons.
@@jpjh8844 Most draft classes are bad.. LOL The real problem is that they overhype the QBs because they are the flashy picks, which in turn puts excess pressure to play them right away because of the draft capital they used, which then of course puts too much pressure on the QB. After all, they were drafted by a bad team picking high in the draft... I think teams need to let their high draft pick QBs develop for a while.
There were so many teams that were desparate for quarterbacks that they overdrafted the available quarterbacks in a bad draft for quarterbacks. Zack Wilson was a 3 star recruit and the 53rd highest rated quarterback coming out of high school. He should have been the type of quarterback an NFL team takes a flier on in the 5th or 6th round, hoping he can develop into a competent backup, not in the top five picks in the draft. Trey Lance was a 3 star recruit who was the 115th rated quarterback in the nation coming out of high school and only played one full season for a division 1-AA team. With that resume, Lance should not have even been drafted at all and maybe an NFL takes a flier on him by inviting him to camp as an undrafted free agent. Mac Jones had little athletic ability and was the 29th ranked high school quarterback in the nation. Alabama did not even recruit Jones to be a long term starter. But Blake Barnett turned out to be bust. Jalen hurts transferred to Oklahoma. Tua went to the NFL, so Jones got his opportunity to start for Alabama. Jones is another quarterback who should have been taken in the 5th or 6th round to be a backup, not a first round starter. Only Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields were highly recruited five star recruits coming out of high school, so it is no surprise that they are the only ones remaining with a chance to be an NFL starter in the future.
2021 was not worse than 2022 lmao there were 2 legit 1st round QBs in 2021 Lawrence and Fields. 2022 had none but they pushed Pickett into the 1st. The 2021 class was mismanaged horribly
@@VvVT734 I'm not talking about the potential prospects . I'm talking about the results and 2021 was a huge disappointment none life's up to or exceeded expectations. Trevor Lawrence is still up in the air. The rest have done worse than the late round picks in 2022 . 2021 is by far the biggest bust class in my lifetime
Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye. 2 of those guys will either end up as journeyman QBs somewhere or out of the NFL in a few years. That's the reality of drafting a QB that high.
I never understood why Trey Lance was drafted so high. Lance went from being a 3-star recruit and the 115th-ranked quarterback in the nation to a Division 1-AA program. Trey Lance could not even get a scholarship at a top Division 1 school. While at North Dakota State, he basically only played one full season there. So Lance went from being ranked the 115th-best quarterback in the nation to only playing one full season for a Division 1-AA program to being the number three pick in the draft? Ten to fifteen years ago, Lance would not have even been drafted at all based on that resume.
He was drafted high because of Three Reasons. Patrick Mahomes, Jimmy G, and Carson Wentz. Mahomes was Raw with Physical Talent like Trey Lance. People forget that Jimmy G was also a D2 QB in College as was Wentz. The 49ers saw those Successes and weren't scared away. Simple as that. They made the mistake of evaluating a player based on a Star QB and based off recent success of two other D2 QBs, including their then current starter, instead of evaluating the Player based on the Player himself.
One word: potential. And of course a coaching staff convinced they can get the most out of it. Teams whiff. Lance is still quite young so there's a chance he can have a second act as a decent starter.
Promising QB prospects like Lance in the future need to be encouraged to transfer to a Division 1 program before being drafted into the NFL. The toughness level required is too drastically different and they will eventually get knocked out physically if they don’t play better competition first (see also Carson Wentz). Now Lance is stuck in no-man’s land as a QB and he’s still only 23 years old.
Also in this QB class was the fellow Heisman finalist drafted in the 2nd round of the NFL Draft, Kyle Trask. He is currently holding the clipboard for B.M. in Tampa Bay.
I feel for the 2021 draft class because the 2020 college football season was wrecked by COVID and the after effects of that have been obvious. Also seeing Mac Jones laughing and happy was kind of refreshing to see. He has been so angry for the past couple seasons.
Have a strong feeling that at least one of these teams will have egg on their face when one of these QBs that flopped under them will thrive when given a another opportunity.with a different team.
Don’t be surprise if the Chiefs picks him up to train him and later make a real asset out of him. But with the Niners, even though Purdy’s more seasoned with a higher floor than ZW, he’s a better all around physical talent than Purdy. If the mental is fixed by Shanahan, then they’ll make the Jets look like fools for ruining and discarding him.
Here's a rebuilding strategy: Draft a late round cheap QB use the savings to rebuild Offense and Defense over a 2 or 3 year period, cut or trade expensive players so you continue losing and getting more high draft picks to stock the team with players on rookie deals, then trade or cut the QB and take a quality QB with a high draft pick while simultaneously having a pile of cap money to spend in free agency. The Bears sort of accidentally did this (minus the drafting of a cheap late round QB to start the process.
How has that worked for the Bears though? They just traded their "Quality QB" to Pittsburgh and have had zero moments of Relevance since the Kyle Orton and Rex Grossman mid 2000s. Almost 20 years now of mediocrity. Ah now I feel old.
@@justinlast2lastharder749 The Bears have the number 1 pick to use on a QB right now with a great Defense and an offense stacked with Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, Cole Kmet, Gerald Everette, D-Andre Swift, and they also have the number 9 pick. Their new QB (likely Caleb Williams) will be coming into a VERY good situation.
2021 just shows how hard it is for NFL Scouts to evaluate quarterbacks. So many quarterbacks that were stars in college can't successfully transition to the next level in the NFL. We'll probably see that again in this year's draft class.
@@karenhardie1132 Just like baseball scouts used to exclusively look for "5 tool" guys like Billy Beane instead of guys that reach base at high rates like Beane later pioneered.
@@MikeHarvey-ol7xr and yet that has never once actually won a team a Championship. The A's never won with Moneyball. The Royals and Tampa both won win Home Grown Highly Touted Prospects accumulated over years of being Garbage Teams...same as Houston before they started buying everyone they could like the Dodgers.
QBs are hard to evaluate due to the differences in play between College and NFL. It was a bit easier back in the 80s and 90s to evaluate them, but always has been harder due to College Offensive Schemes and the massive disparities in Strength of Schedule. If you are a Good QB on an unfortunate team, your schedule could become Murderer's Row as every good team wants your bad team on their schedule. Predictably, your Stats won't be eye popping enough to get on the Radar and now you aren't drafted or never get a chance...Meanwhile Tommy Twinkletoes wins a Heisman behind a Line of 5 NFL Prospects, a Stud RB, and 3-4 Receivers that are also NFL Prospects.
@@justinlast2lastharder749The Red Sox hired Bill James, the granddaddy of these type of analytics, in 2003 and won their first WS in 86 years the next season and another in 2007 with Theo Epstein applying the same principles. How talent is evaluated changed, but deep pockets can still buy the most of it.Beane's limited payroll made it so he could only arbitrage undervalued talent, while Epstein could acquire any player at any price.
He was never the first round pick material, they made him out to be. But Belichick did not do a damn thing for that kid except give him a different OC each year he played there.
Crazy how a few years can change things. 3 years ...And Lawrence isn't looking completely not replaceable. He's good but not like what he was supposed to be
To answer Brockman's Mac Jones question... does it count as a playoff win for Mac if he's holding a clipboard? Because if so, yeah, he's going to win a playoff game before the Pats do, I'll bet.
When I said this yesterday, people thought I was buggin, but my point was, everyone is so quick to say that the NYG, need to get a QB at 6, but facts show that it's not a blueprint for success.
I'm still in awe that the Jets gave up on Zach Wilson in 2022 after the team went 5-2 with him as their QB. For what? Having the yips in a press conference following a loss to the Patriots?
Jets fans and the organization developed the Zach Wilson derangement syndrome in a hurry. They blamed him for everything wrong under the sun. And they were totally incompetent when it came to developing him properly. It was truly a disgrace! And I was rooting for the team.
@@TheHighlanderprime They were still suffering from the Darnold collapse and tried to shoehorn in a talent that needed at least a couple of years to mature and grow as a player. In case you haven't noticed, the Jets suck at developing young specialty players.
The issue was the 2020 season being cancelled/delayed/shortened for every school. This inflated the value of guys that had more tape, like Zach Wilson. This kept the value high for Lance, a guy with a ton of raw ability not yet realized in the college game. This bolstered the value of Mac Jones, a guy playing with several pro-ready receivers and backs, including Najee Harris, Heisman winner DeVonta Smith, Jaylen Waddle, and Jameson Williams. The drafts since have all had this weird gap year be a real detriment to how college players have adjusted to the much faster, much stronger pro game.
And not to take anything away from Trevor Lawrence but, he has not been the prince that was promised. I mean coming out of the draft, you would have thought this kid could walk on water, throw for a touchdown, run for a touchdown, and kick the pat if you needed him to. I think he'll get there, but he'll probably be the only one to have a Hall of Fame career
Maybe, but if the Jags had closed 2-4 instead of 1-5 this year, he'd have two division titles in three seasons (and at least one playoff win) for a franchise that won one game the year before he was drafted. I don't know if anything screams HoF about him yet, but he's been pretty good.
@@joellahrman4557You can't forget that the Jags were in the Conference Championship in 2017, just two years before winning 1 game. The Reason was Urban Meyer, not the Team itself.
@@justinlast2lastharder749 I will have to disagree with you sir. It was the 2016 season when the Jags reached the AFC Championship. Between 2011 and 2020, 2016 was the only season the Jags won more than six games. They won 4 or fewer in five of the 10 seasons. Urban Meyer's season was the worst of the 10 but it's hardly as if he torpedoed a successful team.
@@joellahrman4557 yea I think this year is going to better for the Jags. They are very young team, that had a little bit of success & a bit of a sophomore slump, which happens. Between the Texans, Jags, & my Colts the AFC south will be more competitive than it has in last 4or5 years.
100% the media’s fault. Actual scouting reports said Zach sucked, Mac’s ceiling was Gardner Minshew, and whoever the FCS kid was didn’t know how to play football. But Mel Kiper hyped even good GMs into drafting guys with no future
If an actual NFL general manager is listening to the media or someone like Mel Kiper to determine who they should pick...they deserve to lose their job. Ain't no GM worth their salt listening to media members on who to draft. If they are, they're not only bad at their jobs, they don't deserve to have them. The media's entire point is to give the information and entertainment.
Honestly, they need to make the salary cap, position dependent. QBs need their own cap thay is seperate. RB's need, league wide team pay incentives, and shorter rookie contracts. WR and TEs too and total O-line contracts.
Remember, these are the same "experts" telling us how great Caleb Williams is... The same "experts" telling fans to ignore the nail polish, the refusal to participate at the combine, the lack of a professional agent, the steep decline from Heisman season to last year's trainwreck. I hope he has a long career to worthy of his talent, but QB's are 50/50 at best; and it's odd that so many talking heads continue to downplay or ignore the red flags.
This will continue to happen every year as long as QBs are drafted primarily because of physical skill. 75% of playing NFL QB is mental. Highly gifted athletes who also play QB are never forced to learn all the mental intricacies of the game. Steve Young is one of the few true success stories there. Mahomes is an anomaly. But every QB who is physically more gifted than him is also weaker when it comes to the mental part of the game. Fields will never have Purdys mental grasp of the game and its not fair to suddenly expect him to suddenly do it at the NFL level, the learning curve is off the charts. That was developed over many years, from the time Purdy was young, all through college. That would be akin to asking Purdy to suddenly become a fantastic athlete at the highest level. Trevor Lawrence is in a similar situation as Fields. And then there’s the coaching….
Scouts look at physical traits. Brock is not 6 feet 4 and 240 pounds with a cannon arm. He is incredibly smart and has a natural ability to play the position.
The lesson here being that no one knows who'll be good and who won't be. 5 1st rd QBs, 1 starter, 4 busts. The 2022 class has an even worse hit rate..only 1/9 drafted QBs is going to start in year 3...and that's Brock Purdy who was the 9th QB off the board...and one of the biggest draft anolmalies in history. GMs need to prioritise team building over just throwing darts repeatedly looking for a QB saviour that dosesn't exist. Even Mahomes was drafted to a good roster.
Zach Wilson will probably be on the team since no other team seems to be scratching at the walls to trade for him. Sam Howell and Desmond Ridder both got traded and they were day 3 picks
Can we just talk about how lucky Shanahan got with Purdy? Regardless of how anyone feels about Purdy, what Shanahan and gm paid to trade up to get Trey Lance would've gotten anyone else fired if that situation didn't resolve itself.
Mac could be in a Jim Plunkett situation. If you remember, Jim Plunkett was the Patriots first round pick at quarterback. His first year was terrible. Offensive line was bad and Plunkett was beaten up to the point that he couldn't play quarter back any longer. Ended up in Oakland where Al Davis sat him for a year. Next year, Marc Wilson gets injured, in comes Plunkett, and the rest is history. Not saying it might happen, but you never know.
Rather than a bad reflection on the QBs, I think it's a bad reflection NFL coaching and the present "win now at all costs" culture of the league. The NFL is now eating its own. Were it not for this hyped up and unrealistic "win now" culture, these guys would have been selected lower, their talent cultivated.
All depends on what team they landed on as well. Bad teams with defensive head coaches do not exactly provide a place to flourish. That said, I think these 2021 QB's would be busts on just about any team. A stark warning for GM's in this 2024 class.........
Contradiction in your comment … With the exception of Trey Lance, all of the first rounders went to bad teams including Fields. The Jets with ZW was the worst of them all; and yet you think that these QBs would fail everywhere? I’ll be more prudent by taking a wait and see, to gauge how they fare with more competent offenses and coaching their 2nd go around.
But I also think about how important the QB coach staff is. Jets, Panthers, Bears, etc have shown they aren't equipped to build a rookie QB and they continue to get opportunity after opportunity to fail. Everybody wants a Mahomes, Hurts, etc, but don't want to build to sit a rookie QB and train properly..
True. Saw another channel say if Mahomes was drafted by the Jets, he would not be the QB he is today; may still be a good QB but not an all-time great.
@@cc352 Jets have never had a good QB developmental program. And the fans abuse young QBs immediately if they’re not like Herbert or Stroud right off the bat. As a Jets fan, I concede that this is a horrible fan base for the most part.
Are we going to sit here and act like the 2021 draft class had a fair pre-draft assessment? Did GMs have a playbook on how to analyze college QBs who played during COVID? What were the scouting rules for players who played partial schedules? How about the scouting rules for players who played in empty stadiums? That 2021 draft class just needs a big asterisks around it and let's move on.
Assessing QBs for a high 1st round draft pick is difficult? That the odds aren't in your favor. Who knew? Perhaps Chicago, Washington, and NE should take notice.
I still think maybe Fields and possibly even Lance (just because he's still so young and green) have a shot... but yeah, it's bad. Even Lawrence hasn't been as advertised, but again, still young.
Trevor Lawrence has played in 2 more playoff games than Justin Herbert. I think the Chargers over payed Herbert by a lot. Although Lawrence throws way too many interceptions, I think he will do better over his career than Herbert. Who knows, though? Not me. Maybe under Jim Harbaugh Justin will thrive. I wish both of them and their fans the best.
@@JackWelsh34I blame the offense just as much as the defense when it comes to collapses. Essentially you're getting shut out during the other team's run. A TD or a few FGs could easily break whatever momentum the other team may have had.
Needs to be a rule against drafting qb in a certain span 👌🏼 have the jets, panthers, and bears just ruining guys! If you’re more than a qb away stop taking them lol
Let me tell you exactly which rookie QB will be able to read a pro defense. After that, I've got a bridge to sell and some ocean front property in Arizona.
I'll be honest. This does happen every year. Every year we get all the media hype about the shiny new prospect coming out and that you gotta take a qb now because next year the class is bad etc. That being said, i really felt the media did all the heavy lifting for these guys more than any other year in a while, maybe since the 2014 qb draft class. A mixture of covid canceling some of these guys seasons or other things was pretty much unprecedented. I get the Trevor Lawrence hype in this class because he was an extremely high touted prospect even dating back to his high school days, but i feel the media was so desperate to make it appear there was a bountiful group of qbs that could challenge his prospect status. And none of that was remotely true obviously. And this just isn't hindsight. Trey lance was coming out of ndsu that was hyped up because his character and the fact he didn't throw a pick at a d2 school. His final season in college was canceled.. he had 300 snaps to analyze him and he was being touted as a can't miss, raw, but can't miss prospect. Zach was similar, a guy coming out of BYU who had erratic play in his conference and im guessing his coastal Carolina game made people think he had some howitzer that could compare to Josh Allen. Although he did have a big arm, the tape never showed he could play in any offensive structure that the nfl would ask. Mac Jones was very much a low ceiling guy that looked at his best could be a spot starter but very apparently was being carried by the sheer offense prowess provided by the bama team he played on. Lastly, Justin fields, the other big name prospect that i did believe could be the for sure qb 2 and worthy of a first due to his athletic ability, was a guy who like Jones benefited from his offense at Ohio state while also being terrible at reading the field and having a bad release. I'm not some certified, amazing nfl scout, but the nfl media absolutely gassed up this class of qbs outside Trevor and now every team that took a qb is realizing they bit into the hype just a bit as well. Even if you think Trevor hasnt played great at the nfl level, he's been a mixed bag, none of these other qbs should have been taken in the first, some like lance, shouldn't have even been looked at till the 5th.
Nobody's talking about how Caleb doesn't want to go to Chicago; HE wants to go home to DC, the 2nd pick in the draft. Chicago shouldn't force this; they should trade him, or that pick to the Commanders, and with an extra pick still have a great choice of the other 3.
Almost every year there is lots of hype about the QB prospects in the draft. Caleb Williams is getting all this hype but last year Bryce Young was getting all this hype and people are already throwing the "bust" label his way (though I personally think we should wait and see how year 2 goes). The greatest guy to ever live on draft night can be the bum you want to run out of town within a few years. At least one of the big names this year is going to amount to nothing and all the teams with high picks are rolling the dice hoping it won't be their guy. Of course it could be one guy or two or three or all of them. They're playing Russian roulette but it's possible that all the chambers have bullets in them. In that sense I think the most sensible thing to do at the draft is not overreach for a guy just because he's a quarterback. If you're using a high pick for him it should be because he is realistically one of the best players still available regardless of position. If he's an A prospect then feel free to pick him above other A prospects but don't pick a B or a C if there are A prospects still available.
Yeah. Bryce Young was a consensus #1 last year and yet 1 yr later people claim Carolina was stupid to take him over CJ. It's random..no one knows what they are doing
This is why the Vikings should move up and grab Marvin Harrison Jr. Why draft a project when you can load up on offense? OConnell is an offensive guy. Move up and draft Marvin Harrison Jr. Pay JJ. Role with Darnold and draft a QB in the later rounds. If they ran MHJ, JJ, Addison and Hock… with Aaron Jones. That would be absolutely filthy. Seriously. Every year there are always these QB’s that are “Phenomenal” that end up being mediocre at best. Why not draft the auto pilot W in MHJ? Look at what Dallas did with CeeDee. Lock in the talent this year and trade up next year if you want. Vikings have McCown. He played with Darnold and knows he can play. They paid him 10mil. Load up. Don’t draft a QB in the first round. Let Sam play. Get the best offensive weapon in the draft.
Leave Zack at QB three. You’re already paying him close to $6 million because them. Just keep them on the damn roster and move on. Stop obsessing about Zach Wilson, it’s tiring.
It seems to be the right move. But the whole fan base and NYC press developed a hatred based on a Zach Wilson derangement syndrome. Bad head coach, incompetent offensive coordinator, bad o-line most of the time, not enough wide receivers from day one and the fan base expected a 2 year low floor/high ceiling BYU college talent to overcome that degree of incompetence.
Matt jones is a lot happier, but will he be a better QB in Jacksonville than New England? Sure, Lance is no longer with the team that drafted him, but the jury is still out whether he can be the starting QB for a team.
Jets defense in 2021, gave up 29 points per game on average, why no talk of Saleh being bad his first year at his expertise? Jets won 3 games in 2021, and you think maybe, just maybe it was because their defense gave up nearly 30 points per game; yet it is QB league, so we must put it on QB. Zach first game, in 2021, on the road, against Carolina and Sam Darnold, and Zach's numbers are 258 yards passing 20 -37 on passes, 2 TD's and 1 INT; Darnold's were 279 yards passing, he threw for 24-35 pass completions and 1 TD. Carolina wins 19-14. Then in 2022, Zach plays first game in early October, due to injury all of September, and he wins 5 out of 6; great year. Gotcha question by media to Zach, after 2nd Patriot loss, derailed season. Patriots won 10-3 in the wind, at home, and no talk of Mac Jones performance that day. Just Zach's.
caleb will flop, maye wont reach the imaginary potential, daniels, nix, and penix will at worst be "average", and i am undecided on jj as his team was so "good" that he never had to carry. I am almost more interested in the recievers, The QB and WR are so deep this year, that i find it interesting how it will affect all of the other positions, not everyone needs a great WR or QB, do they take an amazing talent or stick to their guns with need.
To be fair, I feel like Fields & Jones didn't have the support they needed to develop. Trey is an absolute bust. He had everything any young QB could ask for: great coaching, time to sit & learn, a great defense, great weapons, etc., & still failed. But he was always a high-risk pick b/c he was an all-potential, little-production prospect.
All I know is no rookie QB is going to line up behind the NY Giants' o-line and have any kind of success. Everybody thinks they need the next Mahomes to win, and while that obviously helps, they don't grow on trees. You win football in the trenches, look at how guys like Goff and Purdy do behind elite o-lines in a system that suits their skillsets. You don't NEED a Mahomes or Burrow or Allen to have success in this league, and convincing yourself that a prospect is one of those guys when it turns out he isn't can set you back years.
What cracks me up the most is how WRONG the blowhard media is time and time again about the QB's in each and every draft. I actually believe that owners and GM's of the NFL for some reason listen to these clowns and feel a sense of pressure to constantly OVER-DRAFT QB's. EXAMPLE: Last season, why would anyone draft Bryce Young.....WHY??? The young man is 5-10 about 190 lbs dripping wet and doesn't have the frame to put more weight on. There have only been maybe 5 under 6-0 QB's that have been maybe franchise level.....maybe??? Why risk the chance of failure there.....Zach Wilson.....why would you draft that guy that high??? The list of complete BUST is way too long.....
Honestly I think it's the other way around. Media listens to these GMs and scouts talking up some QB prospects, and to fill air time, they regurgitate the hype, even if some of it's a smokescreen from whoever's doing the initial hyping. Either that or some of these GMs are like "I can fix him!" when it comes draft time.
Zach Wilson went that high because he had an incredible junior season at BYU, 33tds and 3 Int's, 74% completion percentage. Plus he was MVP of their bowl game and then had an extremely impressive pro day - he was guaranteed to be the 2nd QB taken. Trey Lance was either going to be great or terrible based on his lack of experience, the 49'ers rolled the dice and it didn't work, but that's the draft. Bryce Young could still pan out but he ended up with the most dysfunctional franchise in football which doesn't help.
Imagine being by far the defensive player in your draft year and knowing that you'll maybe go 5th after four QBs who will be traded for 7th round picks within a couple years. NFL GMs are so hopelessly stupid when it comes to reaching for QBs.
so called. 'experts' kinda fun. Mahomes / Watson. Mayfield class... the top guys.... IF I was Jet GM. I'd be tryin to trade down 10 spots ( still O' line there ) and get a mid / high 2 nd for.... B. Nix, IF he's there. the current golden Oldies 2 year ( or one ) gasp won't last.
DO NOT sacrifice roster construction to overdraft a QB. Build your team. Build your team build your team build your team. Build...your...team.
They keep swinging for the fences with a poor pitches. Most fans and owners don't seem to have any patients when it comes to team building and being competitive.
Also some teams are not good at developing young talent! Ironically it's a lot of defensive minded teams that struggle the most. Both Pittsburgh and New England got lucky with Ben Roethlisberger and Tom Brady
Trade your team for JJ McCarthy. He meditates and stuff.
It's the entire reason the Bucs were able to oust Winston at the end of 2019 and plug Tom in for 2020 then go straight for a 'ship. BUILD. THE. TEAM!
Nah! That's what Green Bay did and it didn't work for them, did it! Wait a minute, it DID work for them! Never mind!
Pats fan here I'm glad to see Mac smiling fr
Me too
Good for Mac. Dude looks legitimately happy
Anyone who has to suffer a year with Matt Patricia deserves a little happiness.
He sucks as a QB, but he is happy about it.
@@Tubalcain422 he's a backup, doesn't matter about the player element. He's clearly just happy to be away from the dictatorship of Herr Bill and I like that for him
Yeah, he's a better fit as a backup. Still a famous highly paid NFL star.
Ah, yes, the inheritance of Bill Belichick
Makes what GB did the year before drafting Love look even better
The lesson is… if you like a QB in the draft, just wait few years and you can get that QB for 4th or 6th rd draft pick.
It’s like buying the game you want pre owned at GameStop
@@ericvidrine2644 nice analogy lol
You would think whiffing on drafting a QB, LT and letting go a really good Edge Rusher would get you fired.
Which team is that?
I think the Jets. Wilson, Becton, Huff?
Yes on Wilson, Becton & Huff
Eh, Huff is massively overrated and will fall off when teams can actually block him instead of focusing everything on people like Quinnen Williams...Huff put up decent performances, not worthy of his new contract, because he was never focused on by offenses....now he will be and his play will suffer for it.
@@justinlast2lastharder749he went to Philly. They’re not gonna be focused on Huff on that DL more than Carter, Reddick, or Sweat.
Another good thing about getting rid of Fields and getting Caleb is that they can have the first pick next year, too! It's a win-win! ;)
I hope Mac's mom brings some fucking ice cream!
stop by mcd's and get some nuggies
Pederson has all the ice cream needed.
@@clarkkent1521 Good to know.... goooood to know.
I keep seeing all over the Internet how bad the 2022 class is. But all I can think is 2021 was so so much worse. Thanks for finally pointing out the obvious
2021 and 2022 Draft classes were bad, and I think COVID played a big part of it. College football had all kinds of restrictions in place in the 2020 and 2021 seasons.
@@jpjh8844 Most draft classes are bad.. LOL
The real problem is that they overhype the QBs because they are the flashy picks, which in turn puts excess pressure to play them right away because of the draft capital they used, which then of course puts too much pressure on the QB. After all, they were drafted by a bad team picking high in the draft... I think teams need to let their high draft pick QBs develop for a while.
There were so many teams that were desparate for quarterbacks that they overdrafted the available quarterbacks in a bad draft for quarterbacks. Zack Wilson was a 3 star recruit and the 53rd highest rated quarterback coming out of high school. He should have been the type of quarterback an NFL team takes a flier on in the 5th or 6th round, hoping he can develop into a competent backup, not in the top five picks in the draft. Trey Lance was a 3 star recruit who was the 115th rated quarterback in the nation coming out of high school and only played one full season for a division 1-AA team. With that resume, Lance should not have even been drafted at all and maybe an NFL takes a flier on him by inviting him to camp as an undrafted free agent. Mac Jones had little athletic ability and was the 29th ranked high school quarterback in the nation. Alabama did not even recruit Jones to be a long term starter. But Blake Barnett turned out to be bust. Jalen hurts transferred to Oklahoma. Tua went to the NFL, so Jones got his opportunity to start for Alabama. Jones is another quarterback who should have been taken in the 5th or 6th round to be a backup, not a first round starter. Only Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields were highly recruited five star recruits coming out of high school, so it is no surprise that they are the only ones remaining with a chance to be an NFL starter in the future.
2021 was not worse than 2022 lmao there were 2 legit 1st round QBs in 2021 Lawrence and Fields. 2022 had none but they pushed Pickett into the 1st. The 2021 class was mismanaged horribly
@@VvVT734 I'm not talking about the potential prospects . I'm talking about the results and 2021 was a huge disappointment none life's up to or exceeded expectations. Trevor Lawrence is still up in the air. The rest have done worse than the late round picks in 2022 . 2021 is by far the biggest bust class in my lifetime
Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye. 2 of those guys will either end up as journeyman QBs somewhere or out of the NFL in a few years. That's the reality of drafting a QB that high.
Hasn't even taken a practice snap but he's already loving his professional career in Jacksonville more than his time in New England.
"professional" is supposed to mean "the best at what they do". Not anymore. Some pretty mediocre pros out there these days.
I never understood why Trey Lance was drafted so high. Lance went from being a 3-star recruit and the 115th-ranked quarterback in the nation to a Division 1-AA program. Trey Lance could not even get a scholarship at a top Division 1 school. While at North Dakota State, he basically only played one full season there. So Lance went from being ranked the 115th-best quarterback in the nation to only playing one full season for a Division 1-AA program to being the number three pick in the draft? Ten to fifteen years ago, Lance would not have even been drafted at all based on that resume.
NFL teams are so desperate for potential QB talent that they will choose anymore anyone now a days! 😮
He is a multimillionaire and didn't even have to play. Great gig!
He was drafted high because of Three Reasons. Patrick Mahomes, Jimmy G, and Carson Wentz. Mahomes was Raw with Physical Talent like Trey Lance. People forget that Jimmy G was also a D2 QB in College as was Wentz. The 49ers saw those Successes and weren't scared away. Simple as that. They made the mistake of evaluating a player based on a Star QB and based off recent success of two other D2 QBs, including their then current starter, instead of evaluating the Player based on the Player himself.
One word: potential. And of course a coaching staff convinced they can get the most out of it. Teams whiff. Lance is still quite young so there's a chance he can have a second act as a decent starter.
Promising QB prospects like Lance in the future need to be encouraged to transfer to a Division 1 program before being drafted into the NFL. The toughness level required is too drastically different and they will eventually get knocked out physically if they don’t play better competition first (see also Carson Wentz). Now Lance is stuck in no-man’s land as a QB and he’s still only 23 years old.
Also in this QB class was the fellow Heisman finalist drafted in the 2nd round of the NFL Draft, Kyle Trask.
He is currently holding the clipboard for B.M. in Tampa Bay.
I feel for the 2021 draft class because the 2020 college football season was wrecked by COVID and the after effects of that have been obvious.
Also seeing Mac Jones laughing and happy was kind of refreshing to see. He has been so angry for the past couple seasons.
No doubt Covid had a lot to do with NFL teams' inability to scout properly
Have a strong feeling that at least one of these teams will have egg on their face when one of these QBs that flopped under them will thrive when given a another opportunity.with a different team.
Hey Rich how's that QB competition with Kenny Pickett in Pittsburg looking LMAO.
I’m surprised nobody is talking about Penix at all. That dude balled out last year.
Underrated in this draft. The eye 👁 test tells you that he was the best QB on the field against Williams and Nix, and nobody is talking about him
Zack will be a Niner or Texan
As a backup.He's not starting anywhere
Niners would turn him around
Don’t talk about my Texans like that ship him to Detroit.
Niners very possible
Don’t be surprise if the Chiefs picks him up to train him and later make a real asset out of him.
But with the Niners, even though Purdy’s more seasoned with a higher floor than ZW, he’s a better all around physical talent than Purdy. If the mental is fixed by Shanahan, then they’ll make the Jets look like fools for ruining and discarding him.
How amazing is it when you have an excellent draft class like elway marino eason kelly obrien in one class.
Sweet to see Mac Jones so happy
Here's a rebuilding strategy: Draft a late round cheap QB use the savings to rebuild Offense and Defense over a 2 or 3 year period, cut or trade expensive players so you continue losing and getting more high draft picks to stock the team with players on rookie deals, then trade or cut the QB and take a quality QB with a high draft pick while simultaneously having a pile of cap money to spend in free agency. The Bears sort of accidentally did this (minus the drafting of a cheap late round QB to start the process.
How has that worked for the Bears though? They just traded their "Quality QB" to Pittsburgh and have had zero moments of Relevance since the Kyle Orton and Rex Grossman mid 2000s. Almost 20 years now of mediocrity. Ah now I feel old.
@@justinlast2lastharder749 The Bears have the number 1 pick to use on a QB right now with a great Defense and an offense stacked with Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, Cole Kmet, Gerald Everette, D-Andre Swift, and they also have the number 9 pick. Their new QB (likely Caleb Williams) will be coming into a VERY good situation.
Backup QB best job in the world. Paid well. Longevity and play 20 years. Walk away with no injuries and not slurring your words at retirement.
2021 just shows how hard it is for NFL Scouts to evaluate quarterbacks. So many quarterbacks that were stars in college can't successfully transition to the next level in the NFL. We'll probably see that again in this year's draft class.
They look at physical traits. Purdy isn't 6 feet 4 and 240 pounds with a cannon arm. He is the best one in that class. Scouts were completely wrong.
@@karenhardie1132 Just like baseball scouts used to exclusively look for "5 tool" guys like Billy Beane instead of guys that reach base at high rates like Beane later pioneered.
@@MikeHarvey-ol7xr and yet that has never once actually won a team a Championship. The A's never won with Moneyball. The Royals and Tampa both won win Home Grown Highly Touted Prospects accumulated over years of being Garbage Teams...same as Houston before they started buying everyone they could like the Dodgers.
QBs are hard to evaluate due to the differences in play between College and NFL. It was a bit easier back in the 80s and 90s to evaluate them, but always has been harder due to College Offensive Schemes and the massive disparities in Strength of Schedule. If you are a Good QB on an unfortunate team, your schedule could become Murderer's Row as every good team wants your bad team on their schedule. Predictably, your Stats won't be eye popping enough to get on the Radar and now you aren't drafted or never get a chance...Meanwhile Tommy Twinkletoes wins a Heisman behind a Line of 5 NFL Prospects, a Stud RB, and 3-4 Receivers that are also NFL Prospects.
@@justinlast2lastharder749The Red Sox hired Bill James, the granddaddy of these type of analytics, in 2003 and won their first WS in 86 years the next season and another in 2007 with Theo Epstein applying the same principles. How talent is evaluated changed, but deep pockets can still buy the most of it.Beane's limited payroll made it so he could only arbitrage undervalued talent, while Epstein could acquire any player at any price.
Blame Belichick for Mac Jones. He ruined the kid.
He was never the first round pick material, they made him out to be. But Belichick did not do a damn thing for that kid except give him a different OC each year he played there.
Love how fast you addressed the jets, and the way they abused Zack Wilson
Look who is left to start this fall from the past few draft classes. Only Brock and Trevor. Everyone else is traded or demoted. Wow. Scouts get an F.
Good to see Mac looking happy again
Crazy how a few years can change things. 3 years ...And Lawrence isn't looking completely not replaceable. He's good but not like what he was supposed to be
If I had a dollar for every time I heard Lawrence called a 'generational talent.' Now that's all I hear about Caleb Williams. So much hype......
SEC quarterback. Different animal.
To answer Brockman's Mac Jones question... does it count as a playoff win for Mac if he's holding a clipboard? Because if so, yeah, he's going to win a playoff game before the Pats do, I'll bet.
The 49ers made out both the best and worst! Spend the most draft capital on our selection, but we also got the most back for our selected QB.
who would have thought Washington would get the most back in a trade for a QB this offseason (so far) with Sam Howell
There landing spots/coaches/systems directly correlates to this stats...
When I said this yesterday, people thought I was buggin, but my point was, everyone is so quick to say that the NYG, need to get a QB at 6, but facts show that it's not a blueprint for success.
I'm still in awe that the Jets gave up on Zach Wilson in 2022 after the team went 5-2 with him as their QB. For what? Having the yips in a press conference following a loss to the Patriots?
Jets fans and the organization developed the Zach Wilson derangement syndrome in a hurry. They blamed him for everything wrong under the sun. And they were totally incompetent when it came to developing him properly. It was truly a disgrace! And I was rooting for the team.
@@TheHighlanderprime
They were still suffering from the Darnold collapse and tried to shoehorn in a talent that needed at least a couple of years to mature and grow as a player.
In case you haven't noticed, the Jets suck at developing young specialty players.
he was still trash in that time 😂
Trevor Lawrence took a big step back last year, so he better have a monster year if he wants to get paid.
I agree. He's isn't nowhere close to what he was supposed to be. He's not terrible but he's no superstar. He's not even the best qb in his division
Let 2021 be a warning to all, and to all, happy Cap
Reaching for a QB sets you back years!
Jets are not suffering tho
The issue was the 2020 season being cancelled/delayed/shortened for every school. This inflated the value of guys that had more tape, like Zach Wilson. This kept the value high for Lance, a guy with a ton of raw ability not yet realized in the college game. This bolstered the value of Mac Jones, a guy playing with several pro-ready receivers and backs, including Najee Harris, Heisman winner DeVonta Smith, Jaylen Waddle, and Jameson Williams.
The drafts since have all had this weird gap year be a real detriment to how college players have adjusted to the much faster, much stronger pro game.
And not to take anything away from Trevor Lawrence but, he has not been the prince that was promised. I mean coming out of the draft, you would have thought this kid could walk on water, throw for a touchdown, run for a touchdown, and kick the pat if you needed him to. I think he'll get there, but he'll probably be the only one to have a Hall of Fame career
Will he get to the HOF? It's hard to see that happening based on how average he looks
Maybe, but if the Jags had closed 2-4 instead of 1-5 this year, he'd have two division titles in three seasons (and at least one playoff win) for a franchise that won one game the year before he was drafted. I don't know if anything screams HoF about him yet, but he's been pretty good.
@@joellahrman4557You can't forget that the Jags were in the Conference Championship in 2017, just two years before winning 1 game. The Reason was Urban Meyer, not the Team itself.
@@justinlast2lastharder749 I will have to disagree with you sir. It was the 2016 season when the Jags reached the AFC Championship. Between 2011 and 2020, 2016 was the only season the Jags won more than six games. They won 4 or fewer in five of the 10 seasons. Urban Meyer's season was the worst of the 10 but it's hardly as if he torpedoed a successful team.
@@joellahrman4557 yea I think this year is going to better for the Jags. They are very young team, that had a little bit of success & a bit of a sophomore slump, which happens. Between the Texans, Jags, & my Colts the AFC south will be more competitive than it has in last 4or5 years.
Imagine you're in the draft that year and you have this coming up on your feed ....the flaming wreckage that is that years qb class
To be fair, we never got a fair look at Mac Jones aside from his first year when he looked promising.
100% the media’s fault.
Actual scouting reports said Zach sucked, Mac’s ceiling was Gardner Minshew, and whoever the FCS kid was didn’t know how to play football.
But Mel Kiper hyped even good GMs into drafting guys with no future
you really think NFL gm's listen to Mel Kiper?
If an actual NFL general manager is listening to the media or someone like Mel Kiper to determine who they should pick...they deserve to lose their job. Ain't no GM worth their salt listening to media members on who to draft. If they are, they're not only bad at their jobs, they don't deserve to have them. The media's entire point is to give the information and entertainment.
Gardner Minshew is a competent NFL QB. You could do a lot worse than have Gardner Minshew as your QB, as the Colts discovered last year.
More likely the owners are listening and then pressure the GM to make the choice. Once an owner wants a guy what are you going to do? @@158Xavk
@@dentonyoung4314 Competence is your Floor as a First Round QB, it isn't supposed to be your Ceiling as it is with Mac.
Honestly, they need to make the salary cap, position dependent. QBs need their own cap thay is seperate. RB's need, league wide team pay incentives, and shorter rookie contracts. WR and TEs too and total O-line contracts.
Remember, these are the same "experts" telling us how great Caleb Williams is... The same "experts" telling fans to ignore the nail polish, the refusal to participate at the combine, the lack of a professional agent, the steep decline from Heisman season to last year's trainwreck.
I hope he has a long career to worthy of his talent, but QB's are 50/50 at best; and it's odd that so many talking heads continue to downplay or ignore the red flags.
Caleb Williams will be a bust.
How about the whole 2022 qb class. All bar 2 traded, 1 is a qb3... then there is purdy
This will continue to happen every year as long as QBs are drafted primarily because of physical skill. 75% of playing NFL QB is mental. Highly gifted athletes who also play QB are never forced to learn all the mental intricacies of the game. Steve Young is one of the few true success stories there. Mahomes is an anomaly. But every QB who is physically more gifted than him is also weaker when it comes to the mental part of the game.
Fields will never have Purdys mental grasp of the game and its not fair to suddenly expect him to suddenly do it at the NFL level, the learning curve is off the charts. That was developed over many years, from the time Purdy was young, all through college. That would be akin to asking Purdy to suddenly become a fantastic athlete at the highest level. Trevor Lawrence is in a similar situation as Fields.
And then there’s the coaching….
Scouts look at physical traits. Brock is not 6 feet 4 and 240 pounds with a cannon arm. He is incredibly smart and has a natural ability to play the position.
Trevor is the wild card but this year will tell the tell if he is above average or not. He long legs wont allow him to avoid injuries though
The lesson here being that no one knows who'll be good and who won't be. 5 1st rd QBs, 1 starter, 4 busts. The 2022 class has an even worse hit rate..only 1/9 drafted QBs is going to start in year 3...and that's Brock Purdy who was the 9th QB off the board...and one of the biggest draft anolmalies in history.
GMs need to prioritise team building over just throwing darts repeatedly looking for a QB saviour that dosesn't exist. Even Mahomes was drafted to a good roster.
It's funny at the time they where talked about like they where all going to be hall of farmers by Bill Simmons.
The NFL has a problem evaluating QBs.
Zach Wilson will probably be on the team since no other team seems to be scratching at the walls to trade for him.
Sam Howell and Desmond Ridder both got traded and they were day 3 picks
Niners would take him, fix him, and trade him
Can we just talk about how lucky Shanahan got with Purdy? Regardless of how anyone feels about Purdy, what Shanahan and gm paid to trade up to get Trey Lance would've gotten anyone else fired if that situation didn't resolve itself.
Mac could be in a Jim Plunkett situation. If you remember, Jim Plunkett was the Patriots first round pick at quarterback. His first year was terrible. Offensive line was bad and Plunkett was beaten up to the point that he couldn't play quarter back any longer. Ended up in Oakland where Al Davis sat him for a year. Next year, Marc Wilson gets injured, in comes Plunkett, and the rest is history. Not saying it might happen, but you never know.
Rather than a bad reflection on the QBs, I think it's a bad reflection NFL coaching and the present "win now at all costs" culture of the league. The NFL is now eating its own. Were it not for this hyped up and unrealistic "win now" culture, these guys would have been selected lower, their talent cultivated.
The Jets beat the Rams in 2020 and it changed a lot of things for quite a few teams.
it's hard for even the best quarterback prospects to overcome a dysfunctional team with a poor program.
The Jets.
All depends on what team they landed on as well. Bad teams with defensive head coaches do not exactly provide a place to flourish.
That said, I think these 2021 QB's would be busts on just about any team. A stark warning for GM's in this 2024 class.........
Contradiction in your comment … With the exception of Trey Lance, all of the first rounders went to bad teams including Fields. The Jets with ZW was the worst of them all; and yet you think that these QBs would fail everywhere? I’ll be more prudent by taking a wait and see, to gauge how they fare with more competent offenses and coaching their 2nd go around.
Why is it so hard to pick a great quarterback for the NFL? Important qualities...?
Only three first round QBs in 2019 but that class isn't any better.
But I also think about how important the QB coach staff is. Jets, Panthers, Bears, etc have shown they aren't equipped to build a rookie QB and they continue to get opportunity after opportunity to fail. Everybody wants a Mahomes, Hurts, etc, but don't want to build to sit a rookie QB and train properly..
True. Saw another channel say if Mahomes was drafted by the Jets, he would not be the QB he is today; may still be a good QB but not an all-time great.
@@cc352 Mahomes said it himself that he leaked his draft position to The Chiefs because he didn't want to go to The Bears.
@@ShelbyBaby27 I thought Mahomes was mad they said they were taking him then switched up? He said he likes beating them because of it
Agreed.
@@cc352 Jets have never had a good QB developmental program. And the fans abuse young QBs immediately if they’re not like Herbert or Stroud right off the bat. As a Jets fan, I concede that this is a horrible fan base for the most part.
Jacksonville got a great deal for Jones. I still feel with the right coaches Jones could be a good starter.
Are we going to sit here and act like the 2021 draft class had a fair pre-draft assessment? Did GMs have a playbook on how to analyze college QBs who played during COVID? What were the scouting rules for players who played partial schedules? How about the scouting rules for players who played in empty stadiums? That 2021 draft class just needs a big asterisks around it and let's move on.
Assessing QBs for a high 1st round draft pick is difficult? That the odds aren't in your favor. Who knew? Perhaps Chicago, Washington, and NE should take notice.
Building around a QB the right way vs throwing him into the fire in a bad situation where he’s not ready.
I still think maybe Fields and possibly even Lance (just because he's still so young and green) have a shot... but yeah, it's bad. Even Lawrence hasn't been as advertised, but again, still young.
I think Kyle's ability to make it to the super bowl has secured his job ..... he's always in the mix just no win
How many QB’s will be busts??
Most QBs don't pan out. Just drafting an above average QB is difficult
3, just like the number of licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop.
Trevor Lawrence has played in 2 more playoff games than Justin Herbert. I think the Chargers over payed Herbert by a lot. Although Lawrence throws way too many interceptions, I think he will do better over his career than Herbert. Who knows, though? Not me. Maybe under Jim Harbaugh Justin will thrive. I wish both of them and their fans the best.
He’s played in 1 more by virtue of the chargers defense having a historic collapse. His regular season numbers also pale in comparison to Herbert
Both are franchise QBs with their own issues.
@@JackWelsh34I blame the offense just as much as the defense when it comes to collapses. Essentially you're getting shut out during the other team's run. A TD or a few FGs could easily break whatever momentum the other team may have had.
Mike Morris has the best shot of kicking some a$$ this year
I love the title yet every analyst is absolutely sure of themselves on Caleb Williams 🙄
mac you can sit on the bench brother, you truly seem happy
Mac Jones is Florida Man... Plays dirty and is overrated.
Needs to be a rule against drafting qb in a certain span 👌🏼 have the jets, panthers, and bears just ruining guys! If you’re more than a qb away stop taking them lol
Mac Jones is going making decency earnings at $850K a year!😊
Let me tell you exactly which rookie QB will be able to read a pro defense. After that, I've got a bridge to sell and some ocean front property in Arizona.
To be negative is not smart; be grateful for everything and life becomes magic; when has Eisen said anything original?
N the 22 class
I'll be honest. This does happen every year. Every year we get all the media hype about the shiny new prospect coming out and that you gotta take a qb now because next year the class is bad etc.
That being said, i really felt the media did all the heavy lifting for these guys more than any other year in a while, maybe since the 2014 qb draft class. A mixture of covid canceling some of these guys seasons or other things was pretty much unprecedented. I get the Trevor Lawrence hype in this class because he was an extremely high touted prospect even dating back to his high school days, but i feel the media was so desperate to make it appear there was a bountiful group of qbs that could challenge his prospect status. And none of that was remotely true obviously. And this just isn't hindsight.
Trey lance was coming out of ndsu that was hyped up because his character and the fact he didn't throw a pick at a d2 school. His final season in college was canceled.. he had 300 snaps to analyze him and he was being touted as a can't miss, raw, but can't miss prospect.
Zach was similar, a guy coming out of BYU who had erratic play in his conference and im guessing his coastal Carolina game made people think he had some howitzer that could compare to Josh Allen. Although he did have a big arm, the tape never showed he could play in any offensive structure that the nfl would ask.
Mac Jones was very much a low ceiling guy that looked at his best could be a spot starter but very apparently was being carried by the sheer offense prowess provided by the bama team he played on.
Lastly, Justin fields, the other big name prospect that i did believe could be the for sure qb 2 and worthy of a first due to his athletic ability, was a guy who like Jones benefited from his offense at Ohio state while also being terrible at reading the field and having a bad release.
I'm not some certified, amazing nfl scout, but the nfl media absolutely gassed up this class of qbs outside Trevor and now every team that took a qb is realizing they bit into the hype just a bit as well. Even if you think Trevor hasnt played great at the nfl level, he's been a mixed bag, none of these other qbs should have been taken in the first, some like lance, shouldn't have even been looked at till the 5th.
Trey lance could still be something he never showed it in training camps though or pre season games.. why?
Proves that the draft experts shouldn't have a job.
Absolutely zero love for Penix it’s sad
Nobody's talking about how Caleb doesn't want to go to Chicago; HE wants to go home to DC, the 2nd pick in the draft.
Chicago shouldn't force this; they should trade him, or that pick to the Commanders, and with an extra pick still have a great choice of the other 3.
Agreed. I believe the Bears are going to be trading the #1 and taking either Daniels or Nix.
Going to Chicago is now like going to Cincinnati was. Haven't been relevant for 40 years.
Just goes to show that COVID shortened year was the riskiest draft ever to need a QB.
Almost every year there is lots of hype about the QB prospects in the draft. Caleb Williams is getting all this hype but last year Bryce Young was getting all this hype and people are already throwing the "bust" label his way (though I personally think we should wait and see how year 2 goes). The greatest guy to ever live on draft night can be the bum you want to run out of town within a few years. At least one of the big names this year is going to amount to nothing and all the teams with high picks are rolling the dice hoping it won't be their guy. Of course it could be one guy or two or three or all of them. They're playing Russian roulette but it's possible that all the chambers have bullets in them. In that sense I think the most sensible thing to do at the draft is not overreach for a guy just because he's a quarterback. If you're using a high pick for him it should be because he is realistically one of the best players still available regardless of position. If he's an A prospect then feel free to pick him above other A prospects but don't pick a B or a C if there are A prospects still available.
Yeah. Bryce Young was a consensus #1 last year and yet 1 yr later people claim Carolina was stupid to take him over CJ. It's random..no one knows what they are doing
Mac will be a good QB in five years!
This is why the Vikings should move up and grab Marvin Harrison Jr.
Why draft a project when you can load up on offense? OConnell is an offensive guy. Move up and draft Marvin Harrison Jr.
Pay JJ. Role with Darnold and draft a QB in the later rounds. If they ran MHJ, JJ, Addison and Hock… with Aaron Jones. That would be absolutely filthy.
Seriously. Every year there are always these QB’s that are “Phenomenal” that end up being mediocre at best. Why not draft the auto pilot W in MHJ? Look at what Dallas did with CeeDee. Lock in the talent this year and trade up next year if you want.
Vikings have McCown. He played with Darnold and knows he can play. They paid him 10mil.
Load up. Don’t draft a QB in the first round. Let Sam play. Get the best offensive weapon in the draft.
I will not stand for this Davis Mills erasure! but ya, the '21 and '22 drafts were not kind to QB needy teams.
Leave Zack at QB three. You’re already paying him close to $6 million because them. Just keep them on the damn roster and move on. Stop obsessing about Zach Wilson, it’s tiring.
It seems to be the right move. But the whole fan base and NYC press developed a hatred based on a Zach Wilson derangement syndrome. Bad head coach, incompetent offensive coordinator, bad o-line most of the time, not enough wide receivers from day one and the fan base expected a 2 year low floor/high ceiling BYU college talent to overcome that degree of incompetence.
I feel like qb drafts are so bust a rebuilding team should just draft one in every round until they hit
Matt jones is a lot happier, but will he be a better QB in Jacksonville than New England?
Sure, Lance is no longer with the team that drafted him, but the jury is still out whether he can be the starting QB for a team.
Jets defense in 2021, gave up 29 points per game on average, why no talk of Saleh being bad his first year at his expertise? Jets won 3 games in 2021, and you think maybe, just maybe it was because their defense gave up nearly 30 points per game; yet it is QB league, so we must put it on QB. Zach first game, in 2021, on the road, against Carolina and Sam Darnold, and Zach's numbers are 258 yards passing 20 -37 on passes, 2 TD's and 1 INT; Darnold's were 279 yards passing, he threw for 24-35 pass completions and 1 TD. Carolina wins 19-14. Then in 2022, Zach plays first game in early October, due to injury all of September, and he wins 5 out of 6; great year. Gotcha question by media to Zach, after 2nd Patriot loss, derailed season. Patriots won 10-3 in the wind, at home, and no talk of Mac Jones performance that day. Just Zach's.
caleb will flop, maye wont reach the imaginary potential, daniels, nix, and penix will at worst be "average", and i am undecided on jj as his team was so "good" that he never had to carry. I am almost more interested in the recievers, The QB and WR are so deep this year, that i find it interesting how it will affect all of the other positions, not everyone needs a great WR or QB, do they take an amazing talent or stick to their guns with need.
To be fair, I feel like Fields & Jones didn't have the support they needed to develop. Trey is an absolute bust. He had everything any young QB could ask for: great coaching, time to sit & learn, a great defense, great weapons, etc., & still failed. But he was always a high-risk pick b/c he was an all-potential, little-production prospect.
All I know is no rookie QB is going to line up behind the NY Giants' o-line and have any kind of success. Everybody thinks they need the next Mahomes to win, and while that obviously helps, they don't grow on trees. You win football in the trenches, look at how guys like Goff and Purdy do behind elite o-lines in a system that suits their skillsets. You don't NEED a Mahomes or Burrow or Allen to have success in this league, and convincing yourself that a prospect is one of those guys when it turns out he isn't can set you back years.
What cracks me up the most is how WRONG the blowhard media is time and time again about the QB's in each and every draft. I actually believe that owners and GM's of the NFL for some reason listen to these clowns and feel a sense of pressure to constantly OVER-DRAFT QB's. EXAMPLE: Last season, why would anyone draft Bryce Young.....WHY??? The young man is 5-10 about 190 lbs dripping wet and doesn't have the frame to put more weight on. There have only been maybe 5 under 6-0 QB's that have been maybe franchise level.....maybe??? Why risk the chance of failure there.....Zach Wilson.....why would you draft that guy that high??? The list of complete BUST is way too long.....
Honestly I think it's the other way around. Media listens to these GMs and scouts talking up some QB prospects, and to fill air time, they regurgitate the hype, even if some of it's a smokescreen from whoever's doing the initial hyping. Either that or some of these GMs are like "I can fix him!" when it comes draft time.
Zach Wilson went that high because he had an incredible junior season at BYU, 33tds and 3 Int's, 74% completion percentage. Plus he was MVP of their bowl game and then had an extremely impressive pro day - he was guaranteed to be the 2nd QB taken. Trey Lance was either going to be great or terrible based on his lack of experience, the 49'ers rolled the dice and it didn't work, but that's the draft. Bryce Young could still pan out but he ended up with the most dysfunctional franchise in football which doesn't help.
I’m glad to see Mac laughing and smiling again. Wasn’t enjoyable watching him deflate more and more each week.
Imagine being by far the defensive player in your draft year and knowing that you'll maybe go 5th after four QBs who will be traded for 7th round picks within a couple years. NFL GMs are so hopelessly stupid when it comes to reaching for QBs.
Trade with Dallas for trey lance
so called. 'experts' kinda fun. Mahomes / Watson. Mayfield class... the top guys.... IF I was Jet GM. I'd be tryin to trade down 10 spots ( still O' line there ) and get a mid / high 2 nd for.... B. Nix, IF he's there. the current golden Oldies 2 year ( or one ) gasp won't last.
You speak as it’s only the young QB who is failing, but they were failed too.