ACURA & HONDA J35 CONNECTING ROD BEARING RECALL
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2024
- / @nsxavier997
This video outlines the operation procedure: Crankshaft replacement with cylinder heads still in place. The subject J35 engine in the video had experienced excessive amounts of rod bearing wear which required a new crankshaft to be fitted along with main bearings, rod bearings, thrust washers, oil pump, oil filter housing and miscellaneous hardware. This is a major operation condensed into a pretty short video given the scope of the work performed. This not only shows the type of work that modern-day Automotive Technicians are faced with, but also offers a small glimpse into shop life. And I also set engine mechanical timing... upside down. Below is a link to a video I made last year that shows the process of reaching the operations beginning point.
• ACURA / HONDA rod bear...
Enjoy.
I have a 2017 Honda ridgeline that is not part of the recall and unfortunately had the bearing issues with bottom end knock, it was diagnosed as what was listed in the recall and needs a whole new short block. Honda refuses to even acknowledge this problem outside the recall, so that's fun... Semms like they're screwing everyone this time around which I think has ruined Hondas reputation in my book.
If you think owners and customers are pissed off... you should see the general atmosphere in every shop across the nation regarding this entire mess. I think I speak for ALL HONDA AND ACURA TECHNICIANS when I say that this recall, while necessary, is borderline criminal in regards to the time it pays the Technician. The sad reality with this is that it's a trickle down effect. Honda releases the recall > Customers are already on alert and wanting to get it done ASAP > There's TOO MANY CARS that are affected > HONDA wants this done and all affected cars repaired ASAP > The time it pays the Technician to do the repair in no way motivates them to do it > Technicians don't want to do it because it doesn't pay > Technicians will then straight up refuse to do the job (or lollygag on it) > huge backlog of appointments for the recall at EVERY DEALERSHIP. Not to mention there's a Nationwide shortage of qualified Technicians to actually do the repair, they know this and yet, still compensate the Technicians that are actually qualified and doing the work ZERO. I swear if I get a big enough following on UA-cam I'm going to make a separate video about the pay structure of this recall and ultimately WHY it's taking so long to get them done... make no mistake, it's not the Technician's- it's what HONDA has decided to pay us to do the job that is slowing things down.
The disadvantage of Flat Rate pay.
@@21Piloteer Honestly it IS disadvantageous in this regard; however, I absolutely love it otherwise. There's no other career out there that you can have that doesn't require loads of student loan debt or a college degree that you can actually make a decent living on. As it stands right now, I have no debt other than my mortgage, every single toy I could possibly want AND I'm invested. I wouldn't have been able to do that without being on flat rate and actually being able to capitalize on my knowledge, skill and most importantly; efficiency.
This is master level for auto tech....
What a great video with good details and quality workmanship!
You should open your own shop and stop working for the dealership but never hire the hommies and get real techs similar to your skillset with intensive screening
Otherwise, most techs/shops working on this major recall will make your vehicle never in its original condition/stage again. Any car that gets taken apart like this would likely have something is missing or off alignment after reassembled. Acura and Honda = exactly 99% same parts and quality lol
@@stn5562 🫡 been thinking of starting my own gig
Appreciate the detailed video bud. It's clear you're experienced and pay close attention to detail while staying organized. Not many do. Only word of advice: forget the naysayers - don't even waste your time addressing them. You're getting paid for your skills - they aren't. That's proof enough.
@@MeltingRubberZ28 appreciate this comment! 🫡
Just got back my ‘18 MDX from the dealer. It only needed the bearings. The service guy said out of the 300 recalls they’ve done so far, only about 10 needed the crankshaft. And those 10 were mostly TLXs. Not sure why. Great video!
@@bigboithe8th nice! Thank you! Yes you are correct; the bulk of the affected cars are TLX’s.
@@NSXavier997I’m really surprised the customer didn’t want to do the timing belt kit since the engine was already out. Seems like a complete no brainer to me to just pay for the parts and an hour labor. They definitely won’t be getting that deal next time.
@@bigboithe8th Maybe customer understands that this fix is temp one and he needs to trade it in asap?
Awesome video! I have a 2017 MDX Tech and it’s been in the shop for 2 weeks. Just got confirmation today that I do need a new crank and it should be in by Friday. I have 78k miles on it, so I’m considering asking them to replace timing and water pump while in there since it’s due in the next 2-3 years. They haven’t offered, but I’m going to ask. Thanks for the great info!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video. Requesting the timing belt and water pump is a good move on a 2017 with 78k miles. I'm pinning this comment and advising all owners of these affected vehicles out there that this operation is not one that can be done quickly and shouldn't be rushed. To everyone out there that currently has their car in the shop with a repair underway, or are currently waiting for their appointment date; please be patient. There are A LOT of cars affected by this recall and as you all well know, a nationwide shortage of qualified Technicians to carry the repairs out. To say that we are understaffed would be an understatement. Furthermore, pairing that with HONDA & ACURA shorting the Technician's time on these repairs by a substantial amount really doesn't motivate us to get these done any faster.. it actually makes me put the car in my spare bay and work on it on/off in between jobs or on my lunch break. This is a HIGH liability job with a VERY LOW reward.
@@NSXavier997yes having worked in the industry in the past and a best friend who’s a mechanic, everything you said is true. Thanks for the input on the timing belt and water pump. My frustration was more with the dealer, as I scheduled this in March and then it took 2 weeks to get the car on a lift and diagnose it, but it is what it is. Def not on the mechanic.
Just curious, what does Acura “give you” for hours the job should take? I know they always assume the fastest mechanic with no distractions and everything going as smooth as possible (no seized bolts, other issues, etc).
@@a7bean1 Book time for crankshaft replacement is 30 hours. Honda is paying 9 hours to all of their hard working Technicians to clean up their mess. Keep in mind, I'm a pretty fast Technician when it comes to doing any repair... but even I struggle to just MEET the time this pays.
that’s what I was afraid of. Unreal! 🤯
I did speak to my rep and they are doing timing belt and water pump now too, along with my B17 service and front brake resurfacing. Costing a chunk, but at least should be in good shape for another 7+ years!
@@NSXavier997that’s pathetic coverage from Honda. Makes me mad.
Mine is at the dealership now. They asked me if I wanted to pay to have the timing belt replaced and the water pump. What do you suggest? I have 62k on a 2018 tlx aspec. I normally trade in at about 95k to avoid expensive repairs. Thank for your time. Great informative video.
@@LarryDoti I would say it’s worth it to do it even if you do trade in.
Great video!! I’m setting mine up (‘18 MDX Tech w/ 120k) with the dealer for the recall later this year. So is the new oil pump included in the fix? What other parts would you recommend replacing while in there? Water pump/Timing? Engine mounts? Also, every dry start, I hear metal scrapping for a second but stops when lubricated-do you think that could be caused by the crankshaft? Thanks!
I have a 2018 TLX A-Spec and haven't heard any noises. However, I am moving across the country and didn't want to drive 1500 miles with the open recall. I dropped it off at the dealership on Tuesday. I was later told that both the rod bearings and crankshaft had to be replaced. I should be getting it back later today (Wednesday).
12:30 Jesse from The Fast & The Furious.
@@BasketBowlers TLX’s seem to be the main offenders of crankshafts needing replacement. Hope all goes well with the repair.
My 2019 MDX just had the Crankshaft replaced this past week per the recal, it only has 50k miles. But , yeah, now is making a rubing metal to metal noise it hets louder as i peed up. Any thoughts on this ?
Unfortunately I don't have any ideas of what could be causing your noise. Suspension components are removed when replacing the crankshaft so maybe when the car was put back together, something suspension related might have been tweaked and is now making contact with another component... an example of this would be like a brake rotor dust shield now making contact with the brake rotor. I would recommend bringing it back to the Dealership to have them take a look for a proper diagnosis.
Does it do it if you leave it in park and rev the engine?
@ProjectMore69 yes it does!. I'll upload a video and with a link.
@@1gnxregal1 please do
@@1gnxregal1 the reason I asked that is because it really narrows down what it could possibly be coming from so since it does it while it’s in park while revving the engine you know it’s not the suspension or anything else like that unfortunately it’s probably directly related to the engine with something internally thats screwed up and you may even have metal shavings in your oil now I would definitely take it back to the dealership and make them fix that ASAP
awesome video! Great narration.
Thank you; much appreciated!
I would like to know how could my local dealer after my connecting rod bearing decide if the main needs to be changed too. How does my dealer know if my crankshaft needs replacement or not ? Should they change out my oil for free after performing this rod bearing job ?
The dealership doesn't decide what the engine needs, the needed repair is determined by the bearing inspection team at American Honda. The repair can go one of three ways:
-Rod bearing replacement only
-Crankshaft replacement (comes with all components seen in this video)
-Longblock replacement - only if the vehicle was towed in due to engine lock-up.
Yes, the oil is required to be changed during this procedure, so that is a maintenance that is included in the recall. Any regular scheduled maintenance following the recall is your typical regular oil change and will have the regular service fee.
Setting the timing upside down.....they do that everyday in Australia!
@@LividAxis lol. Its wild down under
Honda accord v6 2017 ?
Its a 9.5 generation ?
Very few Hondas are affected by this recall; its majority ACURA vehicles that are affected. You can have your local dealership run a VIN status inquiry for you to see if the recall applies.
Have a '21 Pilot with 36K. Hope my engine isn't affected. :-(
Have your local dealer run a VIN status inquiry.
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Ya but Hector is gonna be running 3 Honda Civics with spoon engines. And on top of that he just came into Harry's and ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motec exhaust system.
@@denvernn YESSSS
It's your fuel map, it's got a nasty hole. That's why you're unloading in 3rd.
@@Travis2389 haha
What happen to your ITS videos/channel?
Last thing I saw it had a coolant leak.
Videos went private after some people got upset about the content in them.
just came back from the acura dealership with my 2016 tlx they had to change the crankshaft my engine was knocking
That sucks.
@@NSXavier997 i know!! wished that never happen but acura changed a few other parts and fixed the problem and it cost me 0$ even if i was not under waranty anymore and they lent me a vehicle for the whole week so i didn't misss work. i am happy with the services that i got from acura at the end
Rod knock? they were supposed to give you a long block.
Why wouldn't you want a car with a new crankshaft installed?
Also, I always assumed dealership techs got paid by the hour or weekly salary.
If you don't mind me asking, how is service and/or recall work paid to the tech?
Just my personal opinion… swapping a crank the way it’s shown in this video goes against the way I learned to do it which includes balancing the complete rotating assembly and taking key measurements to verify everything is in spec. I see this as sort of a “bare minimum” approach.
This is going to be long winded, but I don’t mind at all… contrary to what one would think, most Automotive Technicians are paid on a flat rate scale. It’s an archaic pay structure that incentivizes production and output by compensating based on time units per job. This basically means that every operation has a time value. For example a brake job usually pays 2 hours. I can have a brake job done in about 20 minutes but still get compensated for the 2 hours. This allows me to stack multiple jobs in a day to make as many hours as I possibly can. It’s not uncommon for me to flag 20 hours in an 8 hour work day.
It’s a double edged sword, though. When you get a job like the one outlined in this video, it kills your ability to stack while also severely shorting the Tech on time units. This job only pays 9 hours and it took me the greater part of the day to do it, killed my body, drained my energy and not to mention is a huge liability.
The problem with this pay structure is that when the manufacturer comes out with a recall like this which requires precision and a meticulous standard of work which can’t be rushed; but has a low time value attached to it, then of course we’re going to do whatever we can to shortcut what we can to at least meet or beat the time… and that’s when things can go wrong.
Just being real. This is the nature of the business and the result of big manufacturers trying to save as much money as possible. It’s rampant throughout all brands. Ask any Tech from any brand what they think of warranty pay and they’ll tell you the same thing.
I’d probably be bummed if I had forgotten to reinstall that pulse plate.
Easy work quick 8.9 hrs
Doesn’t this bearing replacement only pay like 2 hrs? Crazy
@@petedavis9935 The labor time set by the manufacturer is VERY low for this repair.
See you working in a dealer with an old-school service building built in the 1930s-1940s.
Bet you are not the first tech in that bay to say F-you to manufacturer or dealer management, only it was related to carburetors, chokes, points, tubed tires, leaded fuel and OHV engines.
Honda these days 👎💩