The Mass-Murdering Mongoose - Hawaiian History - Extra History
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2023
- Thanks to Rovio for commissioning this episode, in hopes that with more knowledge of past ecological mistakes, we can move toward a happier future for our feathered friends. / angrybirds
Since Hawaii is an island the introduction of new species can completely decimate an entire ecosystem. Which is exactly what happened when William Herbert Purvis introduced the mongoose to the islands. Contributing to Hawaii becoming the extinction capital of the world.
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Ohhh, that explains it. I was wondering how Angry Birds sponsored the video, when they went bankrupt a few years ago.
Speaking of mongoose on Hawai'i, to this day, there are tourism guides which will encourage visitors to honk at mongoose crossing the road, then hit them with your car.
When you honk at a mongoose, it will stop, sit up, and raise its head to look around. This puts it at the perfect height and stillness to hit it with your car.
This may sound cruel to the average tourist, but as mentioned in this video, the Hawaiians have been fighting a war against the mongoose to save their native species for decades.
So by killing the mongoose on the island, you're doing a service to their lush environment.
Angry Birds haha so retro 🤣
Also extra history PLEASE MAKE ONE ON THE IRISH WAR OF INDIPENDENCE
As a Hawaii resident, it really makes me sad to see so much biodiversity get destroyed. All these incredibly beautiful and interesting species disappearing shocks me to my core.
I apologise that my country's wildlife causes such difficulty for you guys. Hope you can get through this, mongooses are near invincible.
Dude i live in the netherland and i hate it and not only there but the careless and callus way people think about the biodiversty declane is shocking
Humans resisting the urge to ruin nature:
Mongoose fo brrrr!!!
@@JakeJacob-pn7lw you know we a part of the US right?
I am not Hawaiian, but I am Jamaican. I am so glad for this episode discussing Mongoose, because their destructive presence on the island is still definitely felt. Thank you!
Thanks for joining us!
The mongoose arent still there, are they? I havent heard of this on the island. Fellow jamaican here
@@blackjedThey are still here LMAO
@@abigailrowe5024 so no snakes in the island I guess?
@@blackjed Oh yes! In most parts of country. I can’t speak for town though.
In undergrad I had a guest lecturer who began his talk with ten minutes of accounts about how the last members of different extinct bird species died. So many of them came down to a stupid, short sighted, selfish, human act. Genuinely harrowing.
Stupid???? We are the top species of our planet😂 of course it will happen grow up utopias where everything coexists are dreams and can’t exist extinction is a natural thing it’s just we have survived 😊
@@ahronthegreat extinction is natural, that doesn’t mean the avoidable destruction of irreplaceable diversity is desirable. In the exact same way that death is natural, but murder is generally frowned upon. Go sell the edgelord nonsense somewhere else.
@ahronthegreat extinction isn’t really a normal everyday occurrence lok
@@coolman64460 everyday .. of course not but it inevitably happens it can happen to us lmao
@@ahronthegreat that doesn't mean we shouldn't moderate our impact. People inevitably die, but that does not make murder ok.
I understand it's still advertising, but I'm also still impressed that angry birds would choose to not just sponsor but commission such tangentially related, genuinely educational content.
That was cool of Rovio to sponsor this episode to raise awareness of bird extinction events.
They're still assholes for delisting the original Angry Birds to drive players to play the ones with predatory microtransactions.
This.
as well as getting rid of EPIC
@@jiyuhong5853 agreed epic was angry birds PEAK times 2012-2018 was their true peak
I also like how you showed wanting to conserve a native species wasn't some "modern hippie thing" but that even contemporaries could see where things were going and tried to warn people.
One thing I wanted to point out:
One island in the chain, Kaua’i, never introduced Mongooses. Because of this, and less overall human expansion on the island, many native Hawaiian birds and fauna on Kauai still do relatively well.
However, feral cats and a large non-domesticated chicken population are still a problem, though not as nearly as much as the mongoose.
Mosquitos also we’re spreading avian malaria at the time and caused a couple of notable extinctions.
This is not the case. Many of Kauai's native forest birds are already extinct, they have been going extinct for decades, and several are on the edge of extinction and still in decline. Mongoose are NOT the problem for Hawaii's forest birds. Mosquitoes spreading avian disease and rat predation and habitat loss to livestock are the main problems, and that's just as bad on Kauai as other islands.
It’s funny how many people will just let cats run wild no matter where. I mean people will spay and neutral then let them back out as if that fixes the issue. Wild cats need to be put down.
@@Shauntheduke. Yes. But the chickens can be seen as a good thing, go on a invasive chicken killing spree and you feed thousands of people for weeks.
it's too bad the Kaua'i O'o bird went extinct.
Another tale of birds dying because of human stupidity is when Communist China was experiencing a famine, and thought it was the fault of sparrows. So, they killed millions of sparrows. But in truth, the sparrows were actually beneficial, eating the insect pests that were the real culprits, so the famine got even worse.
It wasn't really the government's sole fault. Sparrows being a pest was a Chinese belief for centuries.
@@piyo744 I mean they were the ones promoting the idea of killing sparrows en masse, and successfully accomplished that
I’d say they’re totally responsible. They just didn’t think the consequences would make the famine worse
Thankfully I think the sparrows are coming back, unlike many birds in Hawaii. However, I'd be more likely to blame the underlying cause on traditional beliefs before the communists, unlike in this situation with Hawaii
Like everything the CCP does the campaign against sparrows was just a distraction from chairman Mao’s responsibility. They didn’t think birds were responsible for the famine, they just needed a scapegoat to blame!
@@jtgd It wasn't like they were the only ones responsible. Like I said, it was a part of Chinese tradition for centuries. Individual farmers and sometimes regional managers without the authority of the central government were already adopting similar programs. It was a _cultural_ issue, not necessarily a _governmental_ one, a superstition that went away in the most brutal way possible.
One of the saddest losses of Hawaiian birds is the Kaua'i o'o. Just hear the last recording of the sound it made...
I heard about that from the anthropocene reviewed podcast and cried for an hour
Where can I hear the recording?
@@londoncrow500 youtube
New Zealand has a similar story. Our main villain is the stoat, introduced to kill introduced rabbits which were breeding out of control. Stoats will kill anything, even things larger than themselves.
We also deal with introduced ferrets, feral cats, rats, weasels, hedgehogs and australian possums. It’s a real problem that is constantly being battled.
If you took away from this video everything which doesn't apply to New Zealand, I think you'd still have about 50% left.
You can bring the hedgehogs to Europe. They’re disappearing here.
@@lhistorienchipoteur9968 I believe we're already doing this with possums and wallabies which are pests here and endangered in Australia. So far as I know, the hedgehog numbers aren't so large as to be a problem in most places.
Australia had the same thing.
I was not expecting a Rovio sponsorship, the creator of one of my favorite games from my youth.
I should've guessed from red bird in the bushes
@@sundhaug92 that's right because they couldn't have used it without permission
Angry Birds was a ripoff of Crush The Castle, so they were more of a reskinner or asset flipper than a creator.
@@LikaLaruku with all the angry bird titles, were they all reskins?
Never thought I’d hear angry birds would sponsor a history video
You should also talk about the Cane Toad introduction in Australia. That story is pretty ridiculous but interesting.
incredible to think that Hawaii has lost so many native species to mongooses (the intro reminded me quite a bit of the arrival of "ALPHA" the leader of Jurassic Park's velociraptors), this story of extinction due to the introduction of invasive is not unfortunately the only one and maybe not the last!
also in Australia for removing the larvae of the beetles which damage the roots of the sugar canes using the toads, and like the Mongooses, they do not do their "job" and destroy the ecosystems where they have been introduced.
That’s why I think this is so funny that we think animals understand what jobs are and we can predict what happens if introduced
in a certain case, it is this type of thinking that things that show in films such as "Jurassic park / World" or in "Gremlins" and many others, where man (intentionally or not) risks destroying everything around him (both natural or man-made).
See, now this is the kind of channel sponsorship I like. Not just an ad put on a completely irrelevant video to plug a product, but a sponsor that's sponsoring a topic relevant to both the channel they're partnering with AND their product. The result is a video that's interesting and insightful, while also allowing for more subtle advertising. Kudos to Rovio and the Angry Birds publishing and marketing teams for having some tact and forethought.
You got sponsored by Rovio?! Didn’t expect that!
Thank you for sharing this. This happens all over the world. In New Zealand cats, dogs and stoats have nearly driven the Kiwi to extinction.
Nooooo not the funny fruit bird
I've spent my whole life disheartened by tales of animals that were wiped from the world because of human interference, even when it wasn't intentional. Wonderful animals that we'll never see again because of either carelessness or outright maliciousness. With so many species, even in the modern day, in as precarious a position as they are, we cannot overstate just how important it is to do all we can to ensure they have a future 😟
Bro we are animals as well it’s how life works sad yes but if some random extinct species was intelligent instead of us they would also most probably wipe out species it’s sad but it’s how life works hopefully we are starting to change that and become protectors instead. Have a good day brother
@@ahronthegreat That is an assertion without much, if any evidence and you know it; because you just try to force and project human follies upon non-human species
You just invoke this argument to abdicate responsibility and try and justify the unjustifiable as an asshole contrarian troll trying to argue ignorance, arrogance and malice and feckless waste and destruction; are somehow "virtues" to your twisted, warped and amoral mind
Fun Fact: The Pokémon Yungoos, introduced in Sun and Moon (which is set in the Alola region, an allegory for the Hawaii islands) was inspired by these events. Their official entry in the Pokédex even mention that it is a non-native species in Alola.
Probably ties in well with the "ultra beasts being modeled after invasive species" concept too, seems like a prominent theme for Sun/Moon overall.
Thank you. I was thinking about this. I thought they looked mean. 😂
This makes me excited about a Pokemon game base off of India.
It's so heartbreaking what happened to the islands.
Reminded me of Australia doing that with Cane Toads, which ended up endangering local wild life after being brought to deal with pests.
Love this kind of content from you guys. As someone who has worked professionally with many imperilled bird populations for the past few years, it makes me happy that more people are being made aware of the dangers that face them.
I love that Angry Birds, the game of our childhoods, is supporting such a great cause
Really an awesome video, as always! I just finished discussing island biogeography and islands' susceptibility to the introduction of non-native species in my ecology class, so this video will now join the recommended watching. Thanks for an amazing video!
Thanks so much for watching!
There's a similar issue happening in the Galápagos. Like Hawai'i, the Galápagos are volcanic islands, so native species can only arrive through flight, swimming, or waif dispersal. There are no large native predators. Birds and reptiles often nest in the open on the ground. This has made their eggs easy targets for invasive predators like cats, dogs, pigs, and goats, which have driven some giant tortoise species to extinction or near extinction. On the island of Floreana, the giant tortoises flatten the brush as they walk and create a sort of runway for the critically-endangered waved albatross to take off, so the waved albatross is suffering as a result. Additionally, giant tortoises are frugivorous and disperse seeds in their droppings, so the plants (poison apple, Galápagos tomato, Galápagos guava, etc.) that depend on them are also hurt.
It's no joke. There are invasive species everywhere on the main island if you take a look around. I actually saw one of these little monsters when I was on vacation in Hawaii years ago. But it ran off before I could do anything about it.
It was mostly to protect the family’s flock of chickens, but my grandfather said that as children he and his siblings would occasionally be tasked with shooting any mongoose that entered the property with an air rifle. Even in his time people knew the pest control they provided was negligible compared to the damage they caused.
There’s also another incident (similar) in which a bunch of frogs were released in Australia to get rid of bugs,but then the frogs quickly overtook the ecosystem and became an invasive species.
Toads
Ah yes, the history I learned from Yungoos and Gumshoos
maybe for "merit" that Rattata and
Raticate Alolans, are "born" dark type, to avoid the "predation" of Yungoos and Gumshoos.
Imagine reading this out of context and being confused by young thugs and detectives. 😂
I'd heard about how much damage rats have done, but I hadn't heard about mongooses causing so much extinction before. Thank you.
I’m glad that this channel is bringing attention to the situation in Hawaii. I don’t know how many times I’ve told tourists not to bring in plants and animals onto Hawaiian soil.
For this beast we require the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch!
Hawaii also has a problem with yellow jackets infiltrating the ecosystem. Up in the northeast u.s. their nests only grow to the size of basketballs because of the change of seasons. In Hawaii it's like summer all year and the nests can grow to the size of a VW minibus. And of course it's affecting local species. It's pretty interesting you should look it up
Yeesh, I'd already say break out the napalm at basketball-sized, once you get to the point of using vehicles as a size comparison it's time to just call it quits. Damn vespids can just have the islands if they're going to do that.
As a Wild Green Meme For Ecological Fiend Unqualified Team member, I gotta say it's nice to see Rovio hitting the conservation donations as hard as they are. They helped fund the last charity battle raising money for ecological conservation charities!
This is why you should keep your cats inside. That and, of course, they live about twice as long
One of the most unexpected collaborations has turned out to be one of my favorite one-off episodes
Shouldn't the Japanese form of counting to three to cue an action be "Se ̄ no!"?
Still an ongoing issue in Hawaii. Because it’s difficult to institute biocontrols (lack of budget, skilled labor, and/or political will) we get nearly every infectious agricultural pest or disease here.
We have two-line spittle bugs threatening pasture, Rapid Ōhi’a Death Fungus threatening native forests and so many super bugs that agriculture cultivation cost skyrocket.
Not to mention treefrogs, brought over with decorative houseplants, which are muscling out the geckos (which are also "invaders", brought over around 1,500 years ago on Polynesian trimarans, but have since adapted and found stable niches in the local ecology, a "naturalized" species).
As someone who just finished a year of college in Hawaii, I have seen the mongooses, and I know exactly what happened.
I was in Hawaii recently and I remember a lot of unique birds I came across. The most noticable was the wild chickens though. I'm surprised that wasn't mentioned.
It'd be more accurate to call them feral chickens, since they were introduced by the early Hawaiians rather than being native like honey creepers or other birds are.
from a multi ethnic, kanaka maoli, born and raised here thank you to angry birds and extra history for giving hawaii such a huge platform. i would love to see a part 2 and 3 about the feral cats and mosquitoes!
It might have been said already but, this episode is for the birds.
To the PUNgeon for you!
So much more to be said on this topic, but what a fantastic introduction. Great work as always
The Pokemon series referenced this with the introduction of Yungoos in Pokemon Sun and Moon. Also, Yungoos only appears at day, while Alolan Rattata only appears at night.
Also, close to the time of their Hawaiian introduction, the mongoose got pretty good press. Kipling's Jungle Book tale Rikki-Tikki Tavi portrayed one as a brave defender of an English family in India.
0:30 LET THE BIRD CALM DOWN HE IS ANGRY 😂
1:09 AGAIN LET THEM CALM DOWN THEY ARE ANGRY😂
1:13 EVEN MORE ANGRY ONES JEEZ GET A THERAPIST HERE
1:17 really am i gonna put all the jokes here?
Loving this extra video, best wishes to everyone on the team!
Thanks for the visibility bump for our manu ʻōiwi! A cool follow up to this episode would be a spotlight of effective biocontrol like the use of incompatible Wolbachia bacteria to control mosquitos.
Being born and raised in Kauai I always assumed that certain birds were ubiquitous through out the islands. I was pretty shocked to learn that wasn't the case.
Honestly surprised to hear that are only ~2k Nene out in the world. I saw them all the time growing up and assumed they were common.
Also avian malaria, rats, cats, ants, pigs and numerous other invasive species. Thankfully, they don't have the snake problem that Guam has...yet.
My two fave things in one, angry birds and history, you guys are absolute geniuses
You guys always upload exactly when I open UA-cam
We planned it like that.
It's such an incredibly frustrating thing to look back on how recklessly they just threw invasive predators everywhere without a second thought
In contrast to the effort it takes to remove a species, it's painful
This was a great advertiser tie-in.
I love the videos you make about my home. My family immigrated from the Philippines to Hawaiʻi during the sugar plantation days. The videos you all make have better information than what I learned in school back then. 🤙🏽
Cane Toads, you want to do a video on the Australian importation of the Cane Toad and how it seems to have become a folk hero of perseverance!
Love your videos guysn! you made my day!😊😊😊❤❤🎉🎉🎉
Thanks for commenting! You just made our day too!
@@extrahistory Very happy i did! 😃😃😃
If you’ve ever gone to Hawai’i, this is why you have to fill out agricultural forms. Every time someone lies on that form, you risk killing off native species. I’ve seen people lie on it and just tick boxes so they could go. Let your stuff get confiscated.
We have a couple of mongoose on our farm. Vicious creatures, but very sweet to everyone else. But people tend to mistake their friendliness for weakness. So one of the kids forgets to lock the chicken coop. Come morning its a bloodbath. There's bird parts everywhere. Of course we couldn't just kill any of the mongoose since they took care of the cobras. Was a nice learning moment for all the kids there.
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New Zealand had a very similar problem, possums, ferrets, Rats and hedgehogs were introduced in the 1800s and they ended up almost wiping out many native nz bird species.
Now the government is planning to make NZ pest free by 2050, a plan that has wide support here in New Zealand but is pretty controversial overseas. What people don't understand is that you cannot have both, it's either introduced predators or Native birds and I can say rather confidently that most people want the birds.
Rats, Possums and cats can be found everywhere on earth but Kiwi, Kea and kakapo can only be found in one place.
And it's difficult to figure out when you are going to have a functioning ecosystem again with all these introduced species. It might go well for a decade or even longer until you find out the hard way that the new ecosystem wasn't balanced after all. And suddenly you have to start correcting and probably keep correcting for a long time.
Sometimes it's better you stay with what you had in the beginning.
It’s videos like these that show how important it is to preserve and save what remains. We, as humans, have already slaughtered so many species, that I’m afraid we’ll begin to slaughter even ourselves to save what remains.
Hopefully, it doesn’t come to that, and we can begin the reconstruction of species around the world.
Invasive species became a theme for Pokemon’s Hawaiian generation. The first boss is either the Pacific rat or the invasive mongoose (I didn’t realize the rats were nocturnal, but that makes sense why it was in the Moon version), and then they took it to the extremes with inter-dimensional invaders.
It goes even further than that when you realise all 3 starters are based on extinct animals, and how they made the native Pokemon incredibly hard to find compared to the invasive species there
Thank you for doing this episode as a kid that grew up in Hawaii and learned this at way back when I was 7/8, now I’m 28, it’s really important that people know these facts.
Awesome video! Would love to see you guys cover more historical / ecological overlap stories in the future
Oh! I think pokemon made me somewhat aware of this. The Alola region has yungoos and one of its dex entries is that about it being brought over from another region, and I remember doing a lot of googling trying to find out what game freak based it on.
8:48 even more devastating, mainly because it's possible to stand up against malicious intent, but fighting ignorance and overconfidence is like fighting air.
THANK you for making this
Thank YOU for watching!
Now, in the past ten years, we have had disasters due to three animals. Coqui frogs (Annoying yet mainly harmless, but they're everywhere), Tiny Fire Ants (Wasmannia auropunctata has destroyed everything, houses literally have piles of "red sand" which is actually dead fire ant bodies) and the Semi slug (Parmarion martensi) have exploded spreading Rat Lung disease, houses are covered in slug trails. Two of these were brought in accidentally through house plants, the fire ants came on lumber.
This is a good example of Hanlon's Razor. "Never suggest malice for something that can reasonably be explained with stupidity/incompotence."
I absolutely love this. I would love to see more videos like this for other countries as well!
We all knew that adding "A Mongoose" in a peaceful environment is a bad idea...
Loved the Jurassic Park vibe for the introduction.
"were so preoccupied with whether they could that they didn’t stop to think if they should."
Where has this channel been!? I found my new binge channel!
I'm surprised there aren't more strict regulations on what plant nurseries can sell.
Today's ground cover, berry crop, or ornamental vine/grass is tomorrow's noxious weed.
Every year I see one or two new species of plant outgrowing native vegetation.
And this is why Australia and New Zealand are particularly careful about people and goods coming into their lands.
Good thing that a Finnish company parters up with a popular youtuber
Kiitos Ravio.
Ignorance and overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.
Love the billboards. I need to get my glasses back.
Just imagine a mongoose grabbing one of the workers and one of them shouting like Jurassic park “SHOOT HER! SHOOT HER!”
ROVIO! TELL THEM TO BRING ANGRY BIRDS EPIC BACK
It makes me so angry that the greed of some stupid person ended up destroying (or half destroying) such a beautiful place and ecosystem.
Had no idea - great video! ❤
Struggling with the fact that This video is sad and important , yet the cartoon mongooses are frickin adorable
Didn't know Rovio was so cool.
Cool information thanks
No problem. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on mongooses. And the beautiful part? When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.
Downloading angry birds and playing it just to reward rovio for sponsoring this awesome episode! Rovio, do this again!!!!
I'm sure you will find that the plural of mongoose is mongeese.
The beautiful Extra Sci art alongside the cartoony Angry Birds is just so funny
My second run in with Mustelid videos this morning 🌄☕😂
I can't believe I almost skipped this video, this was great! Could y'all do a video on our current global bird loss?
And they say Endgame was the most ambitious crossover
You think the mongoose plays around? Don't forget that Rudyard Kipling made an entire novella on how violent they are.
Funny to think that I learned most of this from a Pokemon game, from all places. Sun and Moon with Yangoos and Alolan Rattata, to be specific.
8:44 And I would posit that apathy is worse than malice or ignorance.
Maybe we'll see an extra science/ biology in the not so distant future
Nice a new Episode
So for the nene goose it was mainly repopulated by a man named W.H. Shipman who happens to be a relative of mine.
I am not from Hawaii but another Polynesian island of aotearoa New Zealand and we had also gone through an apocalypse with European settlers being in rats stoats possum’s and domestic pets like cats and dogs that kill are native flightless bird species such as the kiwi