When I was kid, I traveled with my father so many times by steam rail. In nowadays I remember that was a dream travel. Father has left us last year but whenever I watch these steam Engine videos, I feel nostalgic. It's nothing but only deep respect to this forefather machine.
@@mickcarson8504 What I meant was the use of a camera drone, one of these nifty little quad rotor RC helicopters you can buy these days to make areal shots, as used in a few places in this video.
As I kid I remember running out in to the front yard as fast as I could everytime I heard the classic 3801 whistle. I really enjoyed watching it roar through the train station up towards the blue mountains.
As much as I love the sound of a thumping great diesel locomotive roaring its way up an incline, I think I now like the sound of a steam locomotive working hard even more! Well done to the people who restored this beauty - you have my thanks and appreciation.
save your $$$ and go see N&W "J" class 611. you will be impressed. btw, the Js were the most powerful steam locos built for passenger service,,ever.(non-articulated that is,UP challengers were dual service) and while you are here, go see 4014. I have seen 4014 twice so far and I am hoping to see her again next year.
My great grandfather would be having tears of joy if he saw here like she is now in 2021, he unfortunately passed away in 2013. He would be truly proud of what they have done, he used to drive 3801 and drove her in the western endeavour too..
Fantastic to see the loco running again! It handled what looks to be a very steep railway incredibly well, no slipping or struggling by the sound of things!
That whistle sounds HEAPS better now and exactly identical to the Famous Film (A Steam Train Passes.) Lovely video as always Bevan. I'll need to try and come to Thirlmere next week if it's doing more trial runs there next week before she goes into the paint booth.
Nice to see a video like this that’s one day old! 3:00 sound must travel faster there. The engine looks a few hundred feet away and yet the puff is almost in sync with the exhaust plume. Nice steady barking too. 5:38 the patch work paint scheme looks like my 2000 Chevy Astro. 13:36 is the same scenery as 11:25 only closer, beautiful landscape.
Un hermoso video para una muy hermosa loco y me alegra mucho hayan tantos fanáticos por el mundo de estas grandiosas maquinas. Agradecido por todo su trabajo.
That's a beautiful locomotive! It looks very similar to a streamlined locomotive on the New Haven Railroad in the 1930's. They had the same boiler design, but were painted black. Unfortunately, none of those exist today. Look up New Haven I-5 Shoreliner, you'll be amazed at how much alike they are...
why is her tender black? I can understand white paint everywhere as a primer for the new green finish, but her tender being black when that wasn't being dismantled and repaired seems odd, did they substitute a different engine's bunker entirely?
I remember when I was a kid (talking 60's/70's) I had a colour in book of trains, I remember this loco from that book.. it was one of my favourites.. I don't think I had to same colour scheme though.. !!
Whistle sounds good but different to what im used to. Closer to its original service sound? It seems all the 38's were slightly different. Theres a great vid of a triple header from the 70's and all 3 sounded different from each other
In a nutshell, yes, closer to the original sound. Part of the overhaul of 3801 was rebuilding its whistle to its original condition. To me, it sounds like its original whistle recorded in 1943 in the Cinesound short "Monarch of the Rails" (it's on UA-cam). Of the preserved 38s, 3813's whistle was awful; 3820's was high pitched, like 38s recorded in Phil Belbin's colour video of steam on Cowan Bank in 1959. Personally, I think 3830's whistle is wonderful. It should be great to hear 3801's overhauled whistle live.
I've read that the sound of the whistle being different is due to the higher steam pressure in the boiler being back to factory specifications. Previously the boiler pressure was reduced in later years for safety reasons. The higher boiler pressure gives the whistle a different tone.
Interesting how the diesel-electric is like a bulldog and oozes power, but is not exciting, but the steam engine, appears much less powerful, but it communicates the work it is doing in a manner that just sounds exciting. One is just a powerful machine, but the other wheezes and pants like an animal breathing hard.
Robert McGuire That is an interesting suggestion. I did a little research and the answer is complex. The steam engine is simpler. As built, 3801 had 161kN of tractive force, but during the restoration this was reduced to 141kN. The 44 class diesel electric has a power output of up to 1450kW which is 1950hp, but the maximum tractive power varies between180 and 209kN for the first 60, and was 195kN for the last 40 locomotives. It appears that the diesel-electric has less outright engine power but much greater tractive power at the rail. Thus with less engine power it would still have more pulling power up this incline. As interesting trivia, the famous Mallard train that has the world steam speed record had 157kN, so the 3801 when built was slightly more powerful than that well known locomotive.
Completed in January 1943 by Clyde Engineering, Granville, NSW/ She was the first of thirty 38 class locomotives, of which only the first five were streamlined like this. 3803 was the last other streamlined 38 running, but sent to scrap at the end of its current boiler ticket in early 1968. 😥
Todd Hartill-law If I remember correctly, in this case 4490 is there to provide extra “load” for the load tests. If it has dynamic braking, they can use that to give 3801 more resistance as she pulls the train... if they’re not just using the loco brake on the diesel. Either way, that resistance means that they can test 3801’s strength without having to make up an entire train of carriages/coaches. But once 3801’s in regular service, then I agree with you; let the old girl run unaided.
@@mewtheenigma2732 In most cases, the diesel on the back of a steam train provides very little to no assistance at all; it's simply there to provide extra braking power and to pull the train when it changes direction during shuttles.
It's mostly present for two reasons as far as I know: to provide backup in case the steam loco fails when on main line runs (pretty sure that's a regulation that applies to all heritage engines) and also to provide all the electrical power for the carriages. On load tests they can also use it to provide extra resistance through using dynamic brakes, as Mew pointed out, plus of course to control running down the hill in these particular down and up tests. I've seen 3801 on main lines many times (I grew up looking across the reserve where the major rail embankment is between Eastwood and Epping; on a calm day you could hear the whistle and hint of the engine coming up from West Ryde through Denistone and up to Eastwood), singly or double heading, and the diesel was basically at idle at the rear. Haven't seen 6029 yet. Must do that some time.
@@steeltrap3800Diesel locos on the rear of a mainline steam excursion isn't a requirement as far as I know. Because the Kiama Picnic Train usually runs without a diesel, and even NSW Rail Museum occasionally runs steam train trips without a diesel..
@@aussietransportfan812 Yeah, I suspect you're correct now that I think of it. I just watched a great bit of video on 3801 and 3830 double heading with a service vehicle (something like a Hilux with ability to run on rails) driving alongside and varying speed. They had 9 carriages (I think) and no diesel. I wonder if it's a case of a single loco needs it but doubles don't? Or perhaps it depends on the line they're using? Or it might also come down to electrical requirements of their cars, as some might need much more than others. Don't know, but presumably could find out if I went digging. Cheers
Is the locomotive under power as well? If so, then that is several tons of unnecessary extra weight. Unhook it and see the weight difference. Plus, each car weight tons, try and replace them with all aluminium cars and see how lighter and fast the steam locomotive will go. Add extra passengers and see that the locomotive still has lots of power. That diesel locomotive wasn't really necessary. (9:30) Still following old ideas?
@@danielcook9032 Nah, not a good way of thinking there, is it? A diesel locomotive as a back up? On a private railway? As extra weight? For a rebuilt steam locomotive? Why not add more cars? And why do a weight test when that old girl has had a new life. If you had been bed-ridden for weeks and I gave a heavy job for you to do, would you feel rather incapable of doing it without first getting the energy back. That steam locomotive is still the same train that hauled ass in the past and would have been pulling the same heavy loads 60 years ago.
@@mickcarson8504 it’s a requirement to do load trials every time a locomotive has major work done. But going by your comment you’re a armchair expert who doesn’t understand maintenance side of the railways at all.
@@timj41 It depends on the conditions The 38 class had cabs going far back from the firebox door to alleviate the possibility of sparks, as with other reasons
What's that diesel doing hanging on the tail end of it for; I thought that this was all about sream loco's; UNLESS, that diesel is today's "Hobo"and is just along for the " ride "😆
@@mdgfb05 u say " absorbed by atmosphere " which proves it is causing pollution .please don't divert ur facts to other facts .scrap them. C the🐒💭 smoke & mess & ugliness they the relics of🚂🚃 past cause .come on its a wake up call .earth is moaning .😭.fan . Please don't upload such videos 😣
When I was kid, I traveled with my father so many times by steam rail. In nowadays I remember that was a dream travel. Father has left us last year but whenever I watch these steam Engine videos, I feel nostalgic. It's nothing but only deep respect to this forefather machine.
Even though I'm from the states, 3801 is one of my favorite foreign locomotives. Glad to see it up and running again
amtraklover same definitely reminds me of 611!
@@LIMowersAndMore she looks like one of New Haven's streamliners to me
cody rentzell true but sadly all scrapped
@@Panzer-535 I believe the NYNH&H I-5 Hudson was the inspiration for the streamlining, yes.
What outstanding footage. The sound of her hard at work is just fabulous.
She sounds healthy after her overhaul, ready for another 10 years doing tours.
Awesome recordings and nice drone shots as well.
And what do you mean by 'drone' Tom? Is it the sound or makes or is it...?
@@mickcarson8504 Aerial footage taken by a UAV drone
@@mickcarson8504 What I meant was the use of a camera drone, one of these nifty little quad rotor RC helicopters you can buy these days to make areal shots, as used in a few places in this video.
@@Tom-Lahaye This comment didn't age well
@@localcarthief Yeah, we now all know what these things are!
As I kid I remember running out in to the front yard as fast as I could everytime I heard the classic 3801 whistle. I really enjoyed watching it roar through the train station up towards the blue mountains.
As much as I love the sound of a thumping great diesel locomotive roaring its way up an incline, I think I now like the sound of a steam locomotive working hard even more! Well done to the people who restored this beauty - you have my thanks and appreciation.
The 3801 is just the most gorgeous machine it's just a shame my pop isn't here to see this
save your $$$ and go see N&W "J" class 611.
you will be impressed.
btw, the Js were the most powerful steam locos built for passenger service,,ever.(non-articulated that is,UP challengers were dual service)
and while you are here, go see 4014. I have seen 4014 twice so far and I am hoping to see her again next year.
@@jeffreymcfadden9403 yankee go home
My great grandfather would be having tears of joy if he saw here like she is now in 2021, he unfortunately passed away in 2013. He would be truly proud of what they have done, he used to drive 3801 and drove her in the western endeavour too..
@@thatonec_set3730 long live the 3801 ayy mate
@@djpuglife2230 very much so
Fantastic to see the loco running again! It handled what looks to be a very steep railway incredibly well, no slipping or struggling by the sound of things!
Lovely locomotive. Looks like the Pacific class locos from my country, India. Steam power is just awesome!
Certainly very well handled, no slipping at all, and that looks a pretty stiff gradient.
Nice dynamic braking sound from the Alco too.
That whistle sounds HEAPS better now and exactly identical to the Famous Film (A Steam Train Passes.)
Lovely video as always Bevan. I'll need to try and come to Thirlmere next week if it's doing more trial runs there next week before she goes into the paint booth.
What chime is that air-actuated whistle? Sounds like a 4 chime to me.
@@andrewiantorno6942 5 chime
@@andrewiantorno6942 5 chime made out of bronze.
That unmistakable sound of a steam loco ♥️🇦🇺🍻
It's about time the real 3801 turned up, the other one always primed. Loved the way they drove her. Loved it.
Grey was it's original colour. Became green after WWII
I was meaning that now she's got 245 psi instead of 215 psi. She sounds awesome also.
@@collinblack8474 So agree with you!!!!
I hope she takes part in the 2020 steam festival.
Has been postponed due to bushfires.
Michael On the bright side, more time for the Rail transport museum to get her ready.
@@ph89787 Would of been ready by the weekend. They painted 3526 in around 2 weeks including lining.
That fireman does a great job of keeping the fire burning right.
great video ,she is chopping them off nicely ! superb machine ..
First the Big Boy, now this. What other Legendary Locomotives will make a comeback eventually?
The UK would have bittern to cameback
Safety valves blowing off despite the steep gradient. Thanks!
Awww beautiful i cant wait to see her again
Enjoyed watching the video thank you very much .
Nice to see a video like this that’s one day old!
3:00 sound must travel faster there. The engine looks a few hundred feet away and yet the puff is almost in sync with the exhaust plume. Nice steady barking too.
5:38 the patch work paint scheme looks like my 2000 Chevy Astro.
13:36 is the same scenery as 11:25 only closer, beautiful landscape.
Very beautiful the See her. Back action again
Wow that whistle is like stepping back in time
Great seeing 3801 rolling again.
Un hermoso video para una muy hermosa loco y me alegra mucho hayan tantos fanáticos por el mundo de estas grandiosas maquinas. Agradecido por todo su trabajo.
That's a beautiful locomotive! It looks very similar to a streamlined locomotive on the New Haven Railroad in the 1930's. They had the same boiler design, but were painted black. Unfortunately, none of those exist today. Look up New Haven I-5 Shoreliner, you'll be amazed at how much alike they are...
Most excellent. Thank you for posting.
She sounds beautiful I’ll take this over any Chevy or Ford V8!
why is her tender black? I can understand white paint everywhere as a primer for the new green finish, but her tender being black when that wasn't being dismantled and repaired seems odd, did they substitute a different engine's bunker entirely?
Is there even a better steam locomotive chuff video on YT?
Because this is pretty hard to beat imo.
I remember when I was a kid (talking 60's/70's) I had a colour in book of trains, I remember this loco from that book.. it was one of my favourites.. I don't think I had to same colour scheme though.. !!
Great to watch and listen to.
this is happening on my 29th Birthday! nice!
Not gonna lie, that shade of white on 3801 looks really good on her!
This was so exciting I had to stop watching!
Whistle sounds good but different to what im used to. Closer to its original service sound? It seems all the 38's were slightly different. Theres a great vid of a triple header from the 70's and all 3 sounded different from each other
In a nutshell, yes, closer to the original sound. Part of the overhaul of 3801 was rebuilding its whistle to its original condition. To me, it sounds like its original whistle recorded in 1943 in the Cinesound short "Monarch of the Rails" (it's on UA-cam). Of the preserved 38s, 3813's whistle was awful; 3820's was high pitched, like 38s recorded in Phil Belbin's colour video of steam on Cowan Bank in 1959. Personally, I think 3830's whistle is wonderful. It should be great to hear 3801's overhauled whistle live.
I've read that the sound of the whistle being different is due to the higher steam pressure in the boiler being back to factory specifications. Previously the boiler pressure was reduced in later years for safety reasons. The higher boiler pressure gives the whistle a different tone.
Can't wait for steamfest 2022. It's the end of May.
Good to see that there's no shortage of train fans in Australia. Is 4490 an Alco locomotive? Just curious.
Kinda strange. Looks nearly identical to the Alco PA, has an Alco serial number and Alco model number but at the same is not an Alco.
Yes, it’s part of the alco World Series design
@@patrickwamsley3284 theyre called DL500, basically PAs but smaller, double cabbed, and has a buffer variant
Espectacular soy de Argentina saludos
Yes the NSWGR 3800 class is nice, but the QGR BB18 class looks better. 1079 has never been retired in 60 years.
What is the grade at that point on the branch line?
Meine anerkennung für die mechaniker, die die steamloc repariert haben! Sie strömt lebenskraft aus. Lg.ff.
Hooray! So great to see! 👍👍👍👍👍
... and great video, too. Thanks.
Great sound!!! :-)
Was the 44 class using it's dynamic braking when getting pulled uphill?
You could hear it's fans blowing hard on the decent. So i'm assuming so?
Still watching this. About 5 times now I've watched.👍
When is she going to do Cowan Bank?
Hasn't got a very good record at Cowan Bank now has it?
It would be nice to see her and 6029 on a freight train to steamfest?
Interesting how the diesel-electric is like a bulldog and oozes power, but is not exciting, but the steam engine, appears much less powerful, but it communicates the work it is doing in a manner that just sounds exciting. One is just a powerful machine, but the other wheezes and pants like an animal breathing hard.
Robert McGuire That is an interesting suggestion. I did a little research and the answer is complex. The steam engine is simpler. As built, 3801 had 161kN of tractive force, but during the restoration this was reduced to 141kN. The 44 class diesel electric has a power output of up to 1450kW which is 1950hp, but the maximum tractive power varies between180 and 209kN for the first 60, and was 195kN for the last 40 locomotives. It appears that the diesel-electric has less outright engine power but much greater tractive power at the rail. Thus with less engine power it would still have more pulling power up this incline.
As interesting trivia, the famous Mallard train that has the world steam speed record had 157kN, so the 3801 when built was slightly more powerful than that well known locomotive.
So, is this Australia's answer to the "Flying Scotsman" or something?
ua-cam.com/video/bkuCMSKmaGg/v-deo.html
Yes, in more ways than one (the length of time the overhaul took, for instance)
13:48
i think i can i think i can i think i can
Warum fährt eine diesellok mit? Kein vertrauen zur dampflok? Lg.ff.
It was for the load trial to provide extra weight.
So when are thay going to speed her up a bit
I hope this locomotive gets its green paint back
It most likely will
where was this locomotive built and by which builder?
Completed in January 1943 by Clyde Engineering, Granville, NSW/ She was the first of thirty 38 class locomotives, of which only the first five were streamlined like this. 3803 was the last other streamlined 38 running, but sent to scrap at the end of its current boiler ticket in early 1968. 😥
I'm no expert, of course, but her exhaust beat doesn't sound as precise and clipped as it used to be.... Maybe a little tuning up still to be done?
isn't the timing a little off?
When does she get a paint job?
Its only me or this locomotive looks just like an GS Class Southern pacific locomotive?
Hubios1454 There was a bit of influence in the design.
More into new Haven I-5
Looks like Indian WP class Steam loco and diesel one looks like Alco WDM1
doesn't look like any load will keep 3801 slow for long
Train whistleblowing...
I know the diesel locomotive is there to provide assistance but take it away as it takes the majestic features away
Todd Hartill-law If I remember correctly, in this case 4490 is there to provide extra “load” for the load tests. If it has dynamic braking, they can use that to give 3801 more resistance as she pulls the train... if they’re not just using the loco brake on the diesel. Either way, that resistance means that they can test 3801’s strength without having to make up an entire train of carriages/coaches.
But once 3801’s in regular service, then I agree with you; let the old girl run unaided.
@@mewtheenigma2732 In most cases, the diesel on the back of a steam train provides very little to no assistance at all; it's simply there to provide extra braking power and to pull the train when it changes direction during shuttles.
It's mostly present for two reasons as far as I know: to provide backup in case the steam loco fails when on main line runs (pretty sure that's a regulation that applies to all heritage engines) and also to provide all the electrical power for the carriages.
On load tests they can also use it to provide extra resistance through using dynamic brakes, as Mew pointed out, plus of course to control running down the hill in these particular down and up tests.
I've seen 3801 on main lines many times (I grew up looking across the reserve where the major rail embankment is between Eastwood and Epping; on a calm day you could hear the whistle and hint of the engine coming up from West Ryde through Denistone and up to Eastwood), singly or double heading, and the diesel was basically at idle at the rear.
Haven't seen 6029 yet. Must do that some time.
@@steeltrap3800Diesel locos on the rear of a mainline steam excursion isn't a requirement as far as I know. Because the Kiama Picnic Train usually runs without a diesel, and even NSW Rail Museum occasionally runs steam train trips without a diesel..
@@aussietransportfan812
Yeah, I suspect you're correct now that I think of it. I just watched a great bit of video on 3801 and 3830 double heading with a service vehicle (something like a Hilux with ability to run on rails) driving alongside and varying speed. They had 9 carriages (I think) and no diesel.
I wonder if it's a case of a single loco needs it but doubles don't? Or perhaps it depends on the line they're using? Or it might also come down to electrical requirements of their cars, as some might need much more than others. Don't know, but presumably could find out if I went digging.
Cheers
What model and date?
This locomotive is a NSWGR C38 class 4-6-2 pacific built in Granville NSW by Clyde engineering in 1943
@@danielcook9032 thank.👍
3801 ,is bursting too get going again.look out she will fly
Wikipedia entry for 3801
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3801
Is the locomotive under power as well? If so, then that is several tons of unnecessary extra weight. Unhook it and see the weight difference. Plus, each car weight tons, try and replace them with all aluminium cars and see how lighter and fast the steam locomotive will go. Add extra passengers and see that the locomotive still has lots of power. That diesel locomotive wasn't really necessary. (9:30) Still following old ideas?
This was a load trial, the diesel was on the end as a backup and as extra weight
This was not a speed test
@@danielcook9032
Nah, not a good way of thinking there, is it? A diesel locomotive as a back up? On a private railway? As extra weight? For a rebuilt steam locomotive? Why not add more cars? And why do a weight test when that old girl has had a new life. If you had been bed-ridden for weeks and I gave a heavy job for you to do, would you feel rather incapable of doing it without first getting the energy back. That steam locomotive is still the same train that hauled ass in the past and would have been pulling the same heavy loads 60 years ago.
@@mickcarson8504 it’s a requirement to do load trials every time a locomotive has major work done. But going by your comment you’re a armchair expert who doesn’t understand maintenance side of the railways at all.
Oil fired?
No, Coal
There were very few oil locomotives in NSW
Aren’t sparks a massive hazard ?
@@timj41 It depends on the conditions
The 38 class had cabs going far back from the firebox door to alleviate the possibility of sparks, as with other reasons
Que trambolho. Fraquinha.
Gorgeous, saw all these steamers at redfern in the late 50s. I was 5 yo. 😁
This workhorse would make climatic alarmist puff.
I love steam. I love counter-strike:go.
Oh no! The Diesel is winning 1:35. Thank God not for long; 2:40.
It's odd as he'll bit I like !!!
Schöne landschaft, endlich mal grün in australien! Lg.ff.
Sad to say that she is sitting OUT THE BACK of the round house in the weather as of yesterday afternoon
4-6-2
I like how there bring the old steam engine back dispirit or this global warming shit love it
The barking is really loud....lot's of energy is WASTED!
I would overhul the machine...
It has just come out of overhaul
@@danielcook9032
So looks like someone fuck his job...
@@mdgfb05
It is a shockwave that leaves the exhaust, not just the steam bark...
@@mdgfb05
Meh...just listen the beast :
ua-cam.com/video/HRTYNxtbnjI/v-deo.html
what a ride!
Fgui niou polim nui guiit.
Paint her back
What's that diesel doing hanging on the tail end of it for; I thought that this was all about sream loco's; UNLESS, that diesel is today's "Hobo"and is just along for the " ride "😆
These days turntable are becoming more extinct so they had diesel bring a return service
An ugly beast, but sounds great!
Scrap the 🚃🚃🚂relics of past. go🚋🚊 electric locomotive. avoid global warming and pollution. 😭.fan
@@mdgfb05 u say " absorbed by atmosphere " which proves it is causing pollution .please don't divert ur facts to other facts .scrap them. C the🐒💭 smoke & mess & ugliness they the relics of🚂🚃 past cause .come on its a wake up call .earth is moaning .😭.fan . Please don't upload such videos 😣
@@mdgfb05 white smoke from h2o but BLACK🚂💭 smoke pure carbon which😷🌍 pollutes. 😭.fan
@@mdgfb05 point noted .let's change. Go electric locomotive 🚊 🚋 👌
@@mdgfb05 no dear .from power🔥💥 transformers on the way of running 🚊🚋
@@mdgfb05 not in all developed countries !