I heard your comment about Condor plate carriers, I have been wearing one for fours years now in Afghanistan and it has weathered extremely well. Its getting worn through finally where the corner of the plates hit but other then that no complaints and would wear them anytime.
I put mine through some serious fire fights on 3 tours and mine held up too. I really thought Condor made a good carrier. I even bought an all black one when i got out! Sooooooooo maybe Armalite is a sponsor of his or maybe his didn't work him. He was so knowledgable though and convincing that he makes me want to get Armalite and get Dfndr armor. lol
Condor started out more for airsoft stuff and got a bad wrap. But they've come a long way once contractors and active duty military started buying their stuff they stepped their game up. Nothing wrong with condor.
@@aleksfoxtrot8044 they only bought them because the airsofters were buying up all the quality stuff lol i bought an mopc years ago and its a piece of shit. i honestly think i got a lemon or maybe theyve improved since then, (about 2008), i remember going to pull up the main velcro flap on the front and instead of the velcro undoing, it was all the stitches ripping. so i put a massive hole in it. idk if id get condor again, id have to inspect it first.
@@garrettzkool63 I had a condor zip up vest around the same time as you had your PC. It absolutely sucked, vests suck anyway. Either plate carrier or chest rig. Choose one. Haha But I do think condor was much lower quality back then. I run mayflower, and chase tactical now. But I have some veteran buddies who have deployed multiple times under combat arms MOS and used condor plate carriers over seas, and one of them uses one for his kit here, hes rough on it, it holds up. They both said they held up overseas. they weren't the most comfortable carrier, but they were durable enough for war.
I'd love to strap on a full carrier and do sprints at the local park. But I'd probably be surrounded by SWAT before I finished my first set. I wouldn't even mind just walking 5 miles with the set on. But it's impossible to not scare all the suburbanites. Damn I miss the Fort Irwin desert
DJ Oliver Bisquit I see the CrossFit people running around with their 5.11 PC and Rougue weighted plates. Shouldn’t be a problem for you to train same way. I also run with my PC on trails, never had an issue. Just don’t carry ammo.
Honestly, I would start with what you think you need the most first. Are you wanting to protect yourself for a possible everyday threat ( mostly all pistols with soft panel tech), or are you looking at SHTH type protection in the form of a plate carrier? The first question I had to ask myself was do I want to be shot? the reply from me to me was NO!!!! So my first purchase was armor that could protect my everyday. I went with Second Chance, but there are a few companies that produce armor Safe Life is one. But here is what I recommend.. Call and talk to the sales guy for say AR500, but realize he/she is trying to sell you something. But its the information that you want. ALSO UA-cam is you friend. Look at lots of footage on BA. It wont be long before you be able to make a more informed assessment of what will work for your needs.
@@gregc107 I did a lot of looking/searching .. I wanted body armor and primarily for training and just in case it gets real out here. Figuring out the plate strengths is simple - finding a quality carrier is hard. AR500 had what I see/saw as the best regarding construction, comfort, breath-ability, and cool factor. Watching their plates get shot up by various people help me select them as well. Plus because am a closet ninja i like having people put on the vest when they come over and awing them to purchase lol
@@XxxAtlantaxxX I went with the Invictus carrier, but honestly I didn't like 9 lb steel plate which I have from them as well. As a result I went to a couple other options. I also have composite poly/ceramic plates 6 lbs, as well as polyethylene at 3.5 lb with the later being positive buoyancy. in case my shoes weigh too much...lol
MSC if that round makes it thru LvL Composite plates then you wont need to worry about the soft armor breech. But that soft plate would to some extent buffer the possible blunt force trauma. Besides that I wear LvL IIIa daily, and if someone tacks me with a rifle round all bets are off anyway. But the chances of a rifle from an attacker is a lower probability as an encounter, since most crooks was concealability in the form of a pistol or a sawed off shotgun from my observations.
MSC I own IIIa soft, IIIa slash/stab proof, IIi+ and LvL iV plates. I also have my fair share of carriers..etc While you might be right that ceramic is a way to play, I don't see anyone selling "Concealable types". Also be aware that with Plates you'll likely not have side protection, and if you manage to do so you just added more bulk to a setup that should be less noticeable by design. Designs from Second Chance, SafeLife and others are wrap arounds, so the side protect is built in. I don't know about SafeLife but Second Chance is able to also allow a 7"X9" heart plate to be installed in a pocket over the from panel They mostly have to be about 1 inch thick, so I don't see you or many people hiding the print from wearing them. Now if you know of some all good, so what concealable LvL IV panels are you wearing? I'm sure many of us would like to know!
MSC. here is your advancement: Level IV Concealed Bulletproof and Stab Proof Vest with Polyethylene Boron Carbide Plates $1,099.00 ALSO Made in Israel Level IV armor protects against Caliber Protection AK 47 7.62 mm x 36 mm PS MI93,5.56 mm x 45 mm SS109 5.56 mm x 45 mm AK 47 7.62 mm x 36 mm APIBZ 30.06,7.62 mm x 63 mm AP
MSC.. First off you didn't answer my what level IV that is concealable that you are wearing, so now I assume you are just trolling. and there are a few people that opt for side protection, I'm guess you didn't know or don't care to recognize there are those that do so. Anyway talk to me when you REALLY want to do an honest discussion... Later dude.. I spent enough time of you to prove my point.
Me: Hi I’m interested in body armor and don’t know what to get. Gun store clerk: what do you want to stop? Me: Tyrants Gun store clerk: You’re going to need what ever you can brother.
If they are printing that it is.. otherwise lawyers would eat them up.. the only two reasons for not getting nij certified is 1) expense which then has to be transferred to the buyer.. 2) backface deformation standards. That said yes some companies do print said rating and the backface deformation is so bad it would still kill you.. but overall generally speaking anything of mention is just as good if not better then advertised. A prime example is the new LA police gear lv3 nij rated but not certified plates which actually are lv4 certified should they have been tested. Before thinking the nij rating actually means anything of mention you should first understand that there are many testing agencies all having different certification ratings for the same thing works wide.. nij ratings really don’t mean much of anything at all.. it’s even less meaning full then the fbi ballistic testing media for ammo lol.
NIJ Certified means it was been though testing by the NIJ. NIJ rated means they tested it themselves and you can also probably find UA-cam video of it being tested also
Ash Green I know what it means.. that still doesn’t mean anything other then they laid to have it tested and now have to transfer the costs.. nij isn’t the only official testing agency out there either. Nij is a US only testing company. Their are many other agency’s that test for other areas of the globe. A lot of items tested are in conjunction with tests.. no one reads that label though.. a lot of companies saying meets the rating are providing stand alone units that most times likely would fail stand alone tests and be in conjunction with tests.. this jacks up the cost even more so. A reputable company willing to provide anything in print tested or not is putting their name on the line legally. So if they say it it is true otherwise they would get eaten alive in courts the first time they failed. If you’re worried about rated vs certified.. then add a trauma pad cause it’s the back face deformation that likely is sub par. Thus lacking it an in conjunction unit anyways..
-Rma #1155. 7.8lbs ea -Strike Face lv4 10x12” 5.5lbs ea Or a level 3+ triple curve steel plate with anti spawl coating and soft armor/padded backer if concerned about the composite lv 4 p ok eyes cracking. I’m big guy but the extra weight if lv 4 11x14’ plates are 11-12lb ea. Tale at least for me I don’t want psy 2-3x much, for something that’s 50% heavier and offer minimal additional coverage.
I know you were trying to keep it short, but maybe do another video about how to adjust them (maybe you already have), which is critical. The plates need to be a the right level, but also adjustment for comfort. If the carrier is adjusted right, you will move better, and can keep wearing it longer. That would be helpful for a lot of people.
@The1Americanpride1 I don't believe it would have to be that drastic of a lip as the angle to be able to protect the face and neck from "splatter" is pretty tight. If that makes sense.
I don’t want to not pick because you make excellent videos but I just want to clarify that level IIIA is NOT rated for rifle rounds. IIIA stops .357 sig and .44 magnum but not realistic intermediate cartridge rifle rounds.
IIIA is a rating generally only used on Soft Armor (same with II & IIA). Hard armor is rated III or IV (III+ is Not an official rating and is used by steel armor companies, however being its not standardized the protection offered by III+ armor varies by manufacturer)
Just vacuum seal the ceramic and other plates. Can do the same to steel, however kind of pointless IMO, as long as it is not sitting in water or super high humidity.
@@Uwe040 Understood that heat is always a challenge. However if vacuum sealed the lack of O2 will significantly slow the decay. Specifically if stored correctly. Heat and heavy use will always be major factors affecting the life or the product in the field.
Thanks for this video. Led me down the right path and I get some medium range armor and plates. Now the 4 to 8 week delivery for the plates lol. Coming apocalypse!
The coating on AR500 is called polyurea. My dad specializes in that coating and he did a test with a 1” thick piece of coating to debunk that Polyurea is bulletproof. I have the videos on my channel 👍🏻
Spartan Armor Systems is stringent on their quality control. I bought plates that kept outgassing for weeks past production, I called them, they made a new set and exchanged them no questions asked. I couldn't wear the outgassing plates for more than 12 hours before it would bother me. Great service, even better products.
I have a condor operator carrier with two 10x12 AR500 LVL III plates. The carrier is way too cumbersome and since I’m going into law enforcement I’ve been looking at more streamlined carriers on the budget friendly side. The AR500 Veritas and Veritas lite are on the top of my list right now.
For what it is worth.... I have taken a 7.62 at 15 to 20 yards in the center of my sternum. Yes, I had issued armor on, I can tell you this, it did save my life, but, 7 months of recovery, I had many days that I wished it had just killed me, as that one round busted me up to an extremely high measure, tore away a chunk of my diaphragm muscle on my right side, which prevented me from breathing on my own, and a corpsmen had to breath for me for 40 minutes, collapsed lung, broken sternum from the whole right side ribs, fractured ribs on the others side, arterial damage surrounding my heart, trashed my back in many locations, 4 ruptured disks, several muscles and tendons and ligaments in the back.... Non threatening issues, or to say, stuff that didn't hurt, but looked horrid, was busted vessels in the eyes, where I looked like I got punched in the nose, lol... Just know, body armor can stop a round (pending) but that energy has to go somewhere... I am not telling anybody what to do or not do, rather, learn all that you can, just like what has been explained in this video, you must decide what you want, vs need, vs can afford, vs can carry... Good luck, and be safe.
@@DisappointedSon0813 WOW... I just reread what I had wrote... damn, I sound negative as hell.... LOL... Yes, sir, you are correct, it did save my life!!!!! I suppose, if I had placed a few statements in other locations of my novel, it wouldn't have sounded so negative..... Yes, people, body armor can and does save lives... Damn, I feel really bad, I hope I didn't detour anybody from trying to purchase body armor, as that wasn't my intentions at all.. Damn, I feel like a dick now.. People, I am so sorry. I was just saying, or giving contrast, to how much damage I sustained, from just one round, that factually, 100% would have ended my life, if I had not installed or removed my plates, as it would have went in one side, and wrecked everything inside, and gone out the back side of me, and likely got another. There is no coming back from that type of damage, organs shredded, 4 inch diameter worth of my spine missing, pardon the graphic nature of that... but that armor prevented the worst of the worst that could have happened.. Just know, that if you are in a fussy situation, and your gut feeling is telling you to keep the plates in, but your body is tired of carrying them around, and you desire to remove them, DON'T. Follow your gut feeling and deal with the weight and sore shoulders and rug burn or chaffed skin on your shoulders.. maybe the G.I.'s will get issued the composite light weight stuff or the polymers... I don't know if the ceramic stuff is light or heavy personally, but, what ever, the stuff does work... Again, I am sorry, for sounding so negative, that wasn't my intentions... in fact, if you don't mind, I believe I should just delete the txt above. I don't think it will allow that now that comments are under it though?
@@toothlessgimpjeeper5131 I wouldn't delete it. Sometimes people need a good dose of reality. Body armor does NOT make you 10ft tall and bullet proof. It can possibly save your life though. Glad you're still with us and thank you for your service.
Regarding expiration, a lot of the plates will last longer than you. Just don't be a dummy and leave it outside in the elements or in your car during hot times. There are some testing out there on expired body armor and performed just fine.
Love your channel, but these are the correct terms for the topic. .........Spalling and fragmentation are actually two different things, although they are related and dangerous. Fragmentation is what happens when the bullet hits the body armor, and pieces fly off. Spall is the pieces of body armor that break from the impact of the bullet.
Donated a soft 2A vest from Safariland that was made 1988 to my paramedic school. I shot at it several times and it stopped 45, 9mm and 380. I now have a 7yr old point point blank 3a+ I shoot at. It’s stopped all handgun, shotgun and 22lr I have shot at it.
Threat level tacticool is the only reason civilians need body armor and if you are getting shot at it's because you're in the wrong neighborhood or you're a total asshat and need to be shot.
@@Blueknight1960 if you don't know of or can think of any civilian jobs or situations where some civilians might need/use BA, then you haven't done your homework, probably because you don't want to be proven wrong. No, I'm not gonna explain it. Do your own homework.
@@GAFire166 1st off, I said nothing about any type of job did I? I was referring to the tacticool crowd, but I guess the word tacticool was over your head.
I have some 10x12 ceramic alumina iii+ plates that weigh 6 lbs each. Also have some 10x12 iii+ steel from TSG. They weigh about 6.3lbs each. My old level iii BAM steel plates weigh 8.3lbs ea. The TSG iii+ steel plate is only 0.200" thick. I think it's a low end iii+, but none the less it's lighter than standard level iii plates.
Maybe a crazy question but would it be worth it to use say 3+ soft armor with 500 steel behind it??? OR is there a combo that you think would be a benefit? I know that the weight would be there but if you were okay with that part -- your thoughts. Appreciate your time and knowledge love the channel!!! and yes I'm subbed
CHECK THIS OUT .... RUNNING A FRONT LEVEL IIIA SOFT ARMOR . WITH A THIN STEEL PLATE BACKED WITH A TRUAMa. PAD ... TOTAL LESS THEN AN INCH THICK ..... CALLED LAYERING.STACKED FOR SPALL AND CAN TAKE THE STEEL OUT ... STILL HAVE THE IIIA SOFT WITH TRUAMA PAD BACKER
You did a video on RTS Tactical vest. Had a good deal on a plate carrier with plates gloves elbows and knees pads so I pulled the trigger and got it on March 26. Now its May 12 7 emails never answered but they still have my money. AR500 got some go deals if I can get my money back. DONT REVIEW THEIR PRODUCTS IF THEY CAN'T DELIVER. I sure you like yours since it was for free.
Sir, you forgot to mention steel plates can take multiple hits same spot , ceramic and composite will not also if you drop a steel plate no problem, you drop ceramic or composite well forget about it. I got me the omega spartan 500 steel plates with anti spalling sleeve and trauma pads total wt 26 or 27 lb. and have no trouble moving with it. A 65 year old Veteran.
ItsMeYall83 You got a point there I thought about your question before answering moisture sweat deteriorates Kevlar after time I have Kevlar gloves sleeves and purchased extra large Kevlar sleeves for my legs don't want to get no cuts there. under all that I have longjohns not the tight weave but the loose Open weave ? try not to get water all over the deteriorates Kevlar but I have a lot of sleeves we're concerned about knife cuts versus getting shot I take care of that area too.🕶"
You are not specific enough and 100% correct which is 100% vital when it concerns armor you leave a lot of confusion and doubt to people that are less educated in body armor.
It’s been a while on the video... what are your thoughts on the Spartan ar550 III+ body armor kit? Does your swimmers cut set up have a base coat? Or prevent spalling?
Twenties years ago the British had a shirt 👕 to be worn under your outer shirt that would stop 9mm down for covert operations. More then likely it just minimized penetration. Knife attack is another issue.
Whew.... That's alot of information but I've learned alot. Thanks for the video.This has helped me so much. I may have to watch this afew times just to absorb all the info lol.
May I say this. During the Vietnam War, there were two types of protective vests issued to American troops. One model had hard nylon plates which were set into the vest. Or like mine ceramic pellets, think about bean bag chair. Which you had to shake it to redistribute the pellets. Now you have steel plates, ceramic, HDPE. Plates . I have tried on a set of steel plates AR 500. In my opinion, it is just too heavy. My be for full time operatives or Law Enforcement. But, for a home steader. Defending the hearth and home . I do not see it, mobility is more important than .doing a stand up gunfight.
I decided to check out that defender body armor. 1 single composite plate of 10x12 was 600$ I know its lite on the chest but not kn the wallet. I got a full top notch gen 2 tes. With 4 plates...and mag plus sidearm holster which is just ok really for 140$ ish less then a single plate from these guys. If it wasn't so damn much it would be nice to give it a shot. Shit gets heavy.
Save up for it and don't skimp on it. I personally don't trust steel so I had to save up for ceramic but I'm glad I did. Wouldn't want to go down early because of an unlucky fragment going into something important.
The carriers really make the difference when you’re moving around . Of course good armor is a big deal, but if you have something, it sure beats your coat only. Also, the plates can be thrown in your back pack and once again, you at least have something and you can swing your backpack around in front of you or over someone like your wife, child, parent or a friend you would give your life for and then you can maybe get a better angle on the shooter.
My next question is what happens when you have a vest full of mags and they take a hit never mind the bar plate spalling when your full mag of 556 takes a hit before the plate has a chance to stop anything
3a (IIIa) is ABSOLUTELY not rifle caliber rated. It is a soft body armor that is higher rating than level 2 (II) meaning it will stop more. FYI, level 2 (II) is not rated for .44 magnum. Level IIIa is rated for .44 magnum. NIJ rating goes like this: IIa (lowest) II IIIa III (rifle rated) IV (AP rifle rated)
Wondering how he avoids even responding considering he made such a big mess with being inaccurate. I called him out on it as well. How is he going to pass info that can get someone killed, and not own up to the fact that he made a HUGE mistake? Everyone wants to be Tactical this or Tactical that these days, because there is Free stuff and Money in it. If you're going to be "TACTICAL FRED" then you better have your ducks in a row. This guy certainly doesn't understand or didn't care enough to learn what the different threat levels for body armor are?
Man that steel body armor scares the crap out of me. I just don't like the thought of splashing fragments going through the arms, groin, and throat. I know, there are coatings and sleeves, but still.
A few things wrong here. Level 2 is only rated up to 357 magnum; Level 3a is rated up to 44 mag. Both are pistol only armor. Level 3+ steel will stop 55 gr 5.56, but it will not stop the 62 gr 5.56 green tip if it's going 3100 FPS or faster. CATI body armor does not provide a paper with their armor, yet they're a reputable source.
May want to look at the NIJ ratings again. I'm not gonna dissect what you said, but m855 doesnt penetrate much at all. It's not "armor piercing". Its meant to shoot through obstructions and brush and hold up to deformation before hitting the target.
Better not confuse level 3a stopping rifle rounds. Certain plates yes. But soft body armor NO. Most of, if not all soft body armor level 2, level 2a and level 3a only stop Pistol cartridge.
Body armor isn’t a force field. The energy expended on one side, is transmitted to the other side even if the bullet stops. Think potential for broken ribs or getting punched really hard just by the force of energy alone.
I also will have to say though they have done ceramic plate testing and ceramic shoots out and does shoot particles into you not saying it would if it was a vest on but just plain like that it shoots straight up and around just like a steel plate without build on would
@Pavel Manzhetov sorry to hear that. I'm sure your journey wasn't easy. It will hold the weight until you get into mud, soft ground, big hills, or sand. You can't always expect ideal conditions. I'm Not being mean just being real I'm sure it's all things you've considered. I can still stay somewhat nimble with while being able to go longer having a lighter weight ceramic. I prefer steel for it's durability. It's just worth the extra price for me to have ceramic. I'd carry steel if I didn't have the leg injury. I have spent my whole life on a farm I'm not scared of hard work. But there's only so much my knee will allow me to do.
That’s the best overall guide to body armor that I’ve yet to see. I do want to correct one minor thing. While velocity is the key to penetration, and a 62 grain bullet fired from a 5.56/.223 round will penetrate less than a 55 grain due to velocity, the M855, because of its steel penetrator core will penetrate further in steel. I’ve tested this on AR500 armor targets and found this to indeed be the case.
I have bought and sold three sets of body armor. I buy it and then change my mind about my actual need for it. That being said, I have a set coming in a couple days and I will NEVER be selling it again.
if in california, never wear your armor if a civilian can see it. if they do, they call the cops and they take it away. then you have to go to court to get it back. they took me down felony style, for the reason possible gun involved
Thank you for this very informative video! You really helped me understand the difference between armor companies. I currently have the Spartan Armor carrier and the AR500 Testudo Gen 2 level 4 multi curved system and really like them both but the AR500 Plate Carrier is a lot better overall. Personal opinion I am ordering a set of Defender plates and looking at another plate carrier also. What do you recommend for ballistic high cut helmets and battle belts?
I have a 70-80 pound manhole cover I found in Austin and after hundreds of rounds with the 55,62, 77 I shot it with my 300 Q pistol HoneyBadger with 208 grain and it punched holes through it, easy. Never before w a 16 223 so why would the 300 blk though slower, punch holes in it?
And now it's July 2020 and here we all are looking about body armor videos on UA-cam.
Be safe.
Be smart.
Be free.
lol hahahaha yaaaa, you know its that time of modern life
And always remember guys and gals. Once you send that round down range you can't get it back.
This just came up in my feed I was not looking for body armor. There must be alot of people searching body armor. Sign of the times.
nailed it!
Antifa killing people in the streets
I heard your comment about Condor plate carriers, I have been wearing one for fours years now in Afghanistan and it has weathered extremely well. Its getting worn through finally where the corner of the plates hit but other then that no complaints and would wear them anytime.
I put mine through some serious fire fights on 3 tours and mine held up too. I really thought Condor made a good carrier. I even bought an all black one when i got out! Sooooooooo maybe Armalite is a sponsor of his or maybe his didn't work him. He was so knowledgable though and convincing that he makes me want to get Armalite and get Dfndr armor. lol
Condor started out more for airsoft stuff and got a bad wrap. But they've come a long way once contractors and active duty military started buying their stuff they stepped their game up. Nothing wrong with condor.
@@DJEinsteinUSA
I would buy one and change the pads out. They work fine, and I even bought a chest rig to go along with it.
@@aleksfoxtrot8044 they only bought them because the airsofters were buying up all the quality stuff lol i bought an mopc years ago and its a piece of shit. i honestly think i got a lemon or maybe theyve improved since then, (about 2008), i remember going to pull up the main velcro flap on the front and instead of the velcro undoing, it was all the stitches ripping. so i put a massive hole in it. idk if id get condor again, id have to inspect it first.
@@garrettzkool63 I had a condor zip up vest around the same time as you had your PC. It absolutely sucked, vests suck anyway. Either plate carrier or chest rig. Choose one. Haha
But I do think condor was much lower quality back then. I run mayflower, and chase tactical now. But I have some veteran buddies who have deployed multiple times under combat arms MOS and used condor plate carriers over seas, and one of them uses one for his kit here, hes rough on it, it holds up. They both said they held up overseas. they weren't the most comfortable carrier, but they were durable enough for war.
4 steel plates and 300 rounds of 5.56......some fitness is VERY important 👍
I'd love to strap on a full carrier and do sprints at the local park.
But I'd probably be surrounded by SWAT before I finished my first set.
I wouldn't even mind just walking 5 miles with the set on. But it's impossible to not scare all the suburbanites.
Damn I miss the Fort Irwin desert
DJ Oliver Bisquit I see the CrossFit people running around with their 5.11 PC and Rougue weighted plates. Shouldn’t be a problem for you to train same way. I also run with my PC on trails, never had an issue. Just don’t carry ammo.
@@whatculo9330
Sounds like a good idea.
@@SylentONE Get one of those weighted fitness vests . I see them online for $25 and go from 44lbs to 110lbs.
@@SylentONE put it all in backpack and draw it up as tight as you can or just run with a naked carried it kinda looks like a weight vest
“Know your threat level “
Me: Threat Level? Midnight 😂
AR500 Testudo Gen 2 III+ plates with coating for fragmentation.
Sounds about right 👌
Honestly, I would start with what you think you need the most first. Are you wanting to protect yourself for a possible everyday threat ( mostly all pistols with soft panel tech), or are you looking at SHTH type protection in the form of a plate carrier? The first question I had to ask myself was do I want to be shot? the reply from me to me was NO!!!! So my first purchase was armor that could protect my everyday. I went with Second Chance, but there are a few companies that produce armor Safe Life is one.
But here is what I recommend.. Call and talk to the sales guy for say AR500, but realize he/she is trying to sell you something. But its the information that you want. ALSO UA-cam is you friend. Look at lots of footage on BA. It wont be long before you be able to make a more informed assessment of what will work for your needs.
@@gregc107 I did a lot of looking/searching .. I wanted body armor and primarily for training and just in case it gets real out here. Figuring out the plate strengths is simple - finding a quality carrier is hard. AR500 had what I see/saw as the best regarding construction, comfort, breath-ability, and cool factor. Watching their plates get shot up by various people help me select them as well. Plus because am a closet ninja i like having people put on the vest when they come over and awing them to purchase lol
@@XxxAtlantaxxX I went with the Invictus carrier, but honestly I didn't like 9 lb steel plate which I have from them as well. As a result I went to a couple other options. I also have composite poly/ceramic plates 6 lbs, as well as polyethylene at 3.5 lb with the later being positive buoyancy. in case my shoes weigh too much...lol
Your setup is heavy
Well done TDS, breakdown seemed very enlightening and intuitive. Really helped me in my search for armor.
You should consider a helmet vid! This is valuable stuff to get in front of people's eyes.
Don’t forget to read everything when buying. Some composite plates require soft armor behind them
I add a trauma pad no matter what it is! I mean it cant hurt (excuse the pun)..
MSC if that round makes it thru LvL Composite plates then you wont need to worry about the soft armor breech. But that soft plate would to some extent buffer the possible blunt force trauma.
Besides that I wear LvL IIIa daily, and if someone tacks me with a rifle round all bets are off anyway. But the chances of a rifle from an attacker is a lower probability as an encounter, since most crooks was concealability in the form of a pistol or a sawed off shotgun from my observations.
MSC I own IIIa soft, IIIa slash/stab proof, IIi+ and LvL iV plates. I also have my fair share of carriers..etc While you might be right that ceramic is a way to play, I don't see anyone selling "Concealable types".
Also be aware that with Plates you'll likely not have side protection, and if you manage to do so you just added more bulk to a setup that should be less noticeable by design. Designs from Second Chance, SafeLife and others are wrap arounds, so the side protect is built in.
I don't know about SafeLife but Second Chance is able to also allow a 7"X9" heart plate to be installed in a pocket over the from panel
They mostly have to be about 1 inch thick, so I don't see you or many people hiding the print from wearing them.
Now if you know of some all good, so what concealable LvL IV panels are you wearing?
I'm sure many of us would like to know!
MSC. here is your advancement:
Level IV Concealed Bulletproof and Stab Proof Vest with Polyethylene Boron Carbide Plates
$1,099.00
ALSO
Made in Israel
Level IV armor protects against
Caliber Protection
AK 47 7.62 mm x 36 mm PS
MI93,5.56 mm x 45 mm
SS109 5.56 mm x 45 mm
AK 47 7.62 mm x 36 mm APIBZ
30.06,7.62 mm x 63 mm AP
MSC.. First off you didn't answer my what level IV that is concealable that you are wearing, so now I assume you are just trolling. and there are a few people that opt for side protection, I'm guess you didn't know or don't care to recognize there are those that do so.
Anyway talk to me when you REALLY want to do an honest discussion... Later dude.. I spent enough time of you to prove my point.
Me: Hi I’m interested in body armor and don’t know what to get.
Gun store clerk: what do you want to stop?
Me: Tyrants
Gun store clerk: You’re going to need what ever you can brother.
You’re gonna need a tank and 9 lives my friend.
@@TienP1997 Tell that to the afghans
I was gonna say you’ll need a few A-10s and a couple AC-130s
Holliday ... you need to read “Outlaw Platoon” by Sean Parnell.
www.amazon.com/Outlaw-Platoon-Renegades-Brotherhood-Afghanistan/dp/0062066404
@@agmsmith4079 ok I'll check it out thanks
THANK YOU for making this video! This is exactly the introduction to body armor I've been looking for!
When you're 6'4' & 250lbs even the 11x14 plates are "swimmer's cut 🤷🏽♂️
Your name is clever, and hilarious.
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood thanks man! A lot of people dont get it, you're quite witty to get it, lol! 🤟
Loose some weight my dude
@@tubeguy4066 lose
@@tubeguy4066 that's a normal weight for someone that tall
Something that wasn't meantioned: NIJ Certified vs. "NIJ Rated". NIJ Rated may not nessisarily be an accurate assessment of what it will and won't do.
If they are printing that it is.. otherwise lawyers would eat them up.. the only two reasons for not getting nij certified is 1) expense which then has to be transferred to the buyer.. 2) backface deformation standards.
That said yes some companies do print said rating and the backface deformation is so bad it would still kill you.. but overall generally speaking anything of mention is just as good if not better then advertised.
A prime example is the new LA police gear lv3 nij rated but not certified plates which actually are lv4 certified should they have been tested.
Before thinking the nij rating actually means anything of mention you should first understand that there are many testing agencies all having different certification ratings for the same thing works wide.. nij ratings really don’t mean much of anything at all.. it’s even less meaning full then the fbi ballistic testing media for ammo lol.
NIJ Certified means it was been though testing by the NIJ.
NIJ rated means they tested it themselves and you can also probably find UA-cam video of it being tested also
Ash Green I know what it means.. that still doesn’t mean anything other then they laid to have it tested and now have to transfer the costs.. nij isn’t the only official testing agency out there either. Nij is a US only testing company. Their are many other agency’s that test for other areas of the globe.
A lot of items tested are in conjunction with tests.. no one reads that label though.. a lot of companies saying meets the rating are providing stand alone units that most times likely would fail stand alone tests and be in conjunction with tests.. this jacks up the cost even more so. A reputable company willing to provide anything in print tested or not is putting their name on the line legally. So if they say it it is true otherwise they would get eaten alive in courts the first time they failed. If you’re worried about rated vs certified.. then add a trauma pad cause it’s the back face deformation that likely is sub par. Thus lacking it an in conjunction unit anyways..
-Rma #1155. 7.8lbs ea
-Strike Face lv4 10x12” 5.5lbs ea
Or a level 3+ triple curve steel plate with anti spawl coating and soft armor/padded backer if concerned about the composite lv 4 p ok eyes cracking. I’m big guy but the extra weight if lv 4 11x14’ plates are 11-12lb ea. Tale at least for me I don’t want psy 2-3x much, for something that’s 50% heavier and offer minimal additional coverage.
Pretty soon body armor will be in everyone's future. Just sayin'
it's already on my future... stay safe... idiots on the street
The federal government is working to ban it right now
@Danny Hackett Won't be legal to buy soon. Bill is in the house right now
@Danny Hackett Literally everyone.
You ain't wrong. I have mine on order right now.
I know you were trying to keep it short, but maybe do another video about how to adjust them (maybe you already have), which is critical. The plates need to be a the right level, but also adjustment for comfort. If the carrier is adjusted right, you will move better, and can keep wearing it longer. That would be helpful for a lot of people.
Seems to be a very complete, for an entry level, articulate presentation.
MORE "feature length" vids please! 😁
I've often wondered why there isn't a lip sticking out from the upper edges of steal armor to help protect from spalling. Thoughts?
Wm H you’re gonna be a millionaire, kid.
@@robmillle lol, not w/o patents.
Just weld on some angle iron ;D
@The1Americanpride1 I don't believe it would have to be that drastic of a lip as the angle to be able to protect the face and neck from "splatter" is pretty tight. If that makes sense.
@Charles Yuditsky it would only need to be enough of a lip to shield the wearer's face from material spalling up.
I love my “ warrior assault systems DCS “ plate carrier
I don’t want to not pick because you make excellent videos but I just want to clarify that level IIIA is NOT rated for rifle rounds. IIIA stops .357 sig and .44 magnum but not realistic intermediate cartridge rifle rounds.
IIIA is a rating generally only used on Soft Armor (same with II & IIA). Hard armor is rated III or IV (III+ is Not an official rating and is used by steel armor companies, however being its not standardized the protection offered by III+ armor varies by manufacturer)
Everyone should have body armor on hand.
If Shit hits the fan you can throw it on or hand it to a love one.
Looking at the AR500 armor
Vic Diaz Agreed. Check out Premier Body Armor too
The Daily Shooter
Definitely will man. Been looking at body armor ever since the Democrats wanted to restrict it from us over the summer.
jcllings
I heard you could even give it to your kids so they can use it for a lunch tray at school
jcllings
Tactical life jacket! Going fishing with one of those AR500s pretty soon!
jcllings
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I rock a Red Head hoodie from Bass Pro.
For your favorite carrier that has those strap dose have adapters for side plates as well.They mollie onto those straps.
Thank you very much. You and your family have a blessed weekend.
Just vacuum seal the ceramic and other plates. Can do the same to steel, however kind of pointless IMO, as long as it is not sitting in water or super high humidity.
Thomas Chase With Polyethylen Plates heat is still going to be an issue...
@@Uwe040
Understood that heat is always a challenge. However if vacuum sealed the lack of O2 will significantly slow the decay.
Specifically if stored correctly.
Heat and heavy use will always be major factors affecting the life or the product in the field.
Thanks for this video. Led me down the right path and I get some medium range armor and plates. Now the 4 to 8 week delivery for the plates lol. Coming apocalypse!
A perfect plate would be 3 layer... ceramic in front, steel in the middle with the pad in the back
Sounds heavy AF
The coating on AR500 is called polyurea. My dad specializes in that coating and he did a test with a 1” thick piece of coating to debunk that Polyurea is bulletproof. I have the videos on my channel 👍🏻
I don't see it?
LeonRidge ua-cam.com/video/2Y4v3NBTJLo/v-deo.html
Are you talking about the anti-spall lining? It’s not meant to be “bullet proof.”
Spartan Armor Systems is stringent on their quality control. I bought plates that kept outgassing for weeks past production, I called them, they made a new set and exchanged them no questions asked.
I couldn't wear the outgassing plates for more than 12 hours before it would bother me.
Great service, even better products.
BandAid350z That’s correct, but the rumor is out there that it is. I discovered that sprayed at 1” thick, it can be for small calibers.
I have a condor operator carrier with two 10x12 AR500 LVL III plates. The carrier is way too cumbersome and since I’m going into law enforcement I’ve been looking at more streamlined carriers on the budget friendly side. The AR500 Veritas and Veritas lite are on the top of my list right now.
did I hear that right? Level II will not stop .44 Magnum. Whoever told you it will, doesn't like you
Yep, you need at least IIIa to stop 44mag 👍🏽
For what it is worth.... I have taken a 7.62 at 15 to 20 yards in the center of my sternum. Yes, I had issued armor on, I can tell you this, it did save my life, but, 7 months of recovery, I had many days that I wished it had just killed me, as that one round busted me up to an extremely high measure, tore away a chunk of my diaphragm muscle on my right side, which prevented me from breathing on my own, and a corpsmen had to breath for me for 40 minutes, collapsed lung, broken sternum from the whole right side ribs, fractured ribs on the others side, arterial damage surrounding my heart, trashed my back in many locations, 4 ruptured disks, several muscles and tendons and ligaments in the back.... Non threatening issues, or to say, stuff that didn't hurt, but looked horrid, was busted vessels in the eyes, where I looked like I got punched in the nose, lol... Just know, body armor can stop a round (pending) but that energy has to go somewhere... I am not telling anybody what to do or not do, rather, learn all that you can, just like what has been explained in this video, you must decide what you want, vs need, vs can afford, vs can carry... Good luck, and be safe.
Point being, you're still alive. Armor did it's job.
@@DisappointedSon0813 WOW... I just reread what I had wrote... damn, I sound negative as hell.... LOL... Yes, sir, you are correct, it did save my life!!!!! I suppose, if I had placed a few statements in other locations of my novel, it wouldn't have sounded so negative..... Yes, people, body armor can and does save lives... Damn, I feel really bad, I hope I didn't detour anybody from trying to purchase body armor, as that wasn't my intentions at all.. Damn, I feel like a dick now.. People, I am so sorry. I was just saying, or giving contrast, to how much damage I sustained, from just one round, that factually, 100% would have ended my life, if I had not installed or removed my plates, as it would have went in one side, and wrecked everything inside, and gone out the back side of me, and likely got another. There is no coming back from that type of damage, organs shredded, 4 inch diameter worth of my spine missing, pardon the graphic nature of that... but that armor prevented the worst of the worst that could have happened..
Just know, that if you are in a fussy situation, and your gut feeling is telling you to keep the plates in, but your body is tired of carrying them around, and you desire to remove them, DON'T. Follow your gut feeling and deal with the weight and sore shoulders and rug burn or chaffed skin on your shoulders.. maybe the G.I.'s will get issued the composite light weight stuff or the polymers... I don't know if the ceramic stuff is light or heavy personally, but, what ever, the stuff does work... Again, I am sorry, for sounding so negative, that wasn't my intentions... in fact, if you don't mind, I believe I should just delete the txt above. I don't think it will allow that now that comments are under it though?
@@toothlessgimpjeeper5131 I wouldn't delete it. Sometimes people need a good dose of reality. Body armor does NOT make you 10ft tall and bullet proof. It can possibly save your life though. Glad you're still with us and thank you for your service.
Truly appreciated this video. One of the better ones!
Along with the moisture from improper storage there is also moisture from sweat if you wear it consistently.
Regarding expiration, a lot of the plates will last longer than you. Just don't be a dummy and leave it outside in the elements or in your car during hot times. There are some testing out there on expired body armor and performed just fine.
Yea “ expiration dates” are very conservative and are to prevent lawsuits. If you take care of the armor it will last a very long time.
Love my AR500 3+ plates, but my next set of armor will be much lighter weight, soft body armor.
Soft body armor is only for handguns....
Soft armor won’t stop rifle caliber rounds. If you want lighter, but still maintain rifle caliber protection, it’s either ceramic or poly.
Love your channel, but these are the correct terms for the topic. .........Spalling and fragmentation are actually two different things, although they are related and dangerous. Fragmentation is what happens when the bullet hits the body armor, and pieces fly off. Spall is the pieces of body armor that break from the impact of the bullet.
I love my AR500 TESTUDO GEN2 level III+ lightweight. Got the AR500 FREEMAN for the wife. Fits her perfect not too heavy for her.
Donated a soft 2A vest from Safariland that was made 1988 to my paramedic school. I shot at it several times and it stopped 45, 9mm and 380. I now have a 7yr old point point blank 3a+ I shoot at. It’s stopped all handgun, shotgun and 22lr I have shot at it.
You said “threat level” multiple times but never said “threat level midnight” and that disappointed me to all ends
Boxer Pig obviously doesn’t follow the adventures of Michael scarne. Shame
Threat level tacticool is the only reason civilians need body armor and if you are getting shot at it's because you're in the wrong neighborhood or you're a total asshat and need to be shot.
@@Blueknight1960 if you don't know of or can think of any civilian jobs or situations where some civilians might need/use BA, then you haven't done your homework, probably because you don't want to be proven wrong. No, I'm not gonna explain it. Do your own homework.
@@GAFire166 1st off, I said nothing about any type of job did I? I was referring to the tacticool crowd, but I guess the word tacticool was over your head.
@@Blueknight1960 ive been hit by riccochets and spalling at civilian ranges. I always wear armor at the range.
I have some 10x12 ceramic alumina iii+ plates that weigh 6 lbs each.
Also have some 10x12 iii+ steel from TSG. They weigh about 6.3lbs each. My old level iii BAM steel plates weigh 8.3lbs ea.
The TSG iii+ steel plate is only 0.200" thick. I think it's a low end iii+, but none the less it's lighter than standard level iii plates.
So store in a low moisture environment? Good thing I dont sweat when I'm doing the things.
Am I sensing Bear fam here?
@@libertyor556 you might be...shalom friend.
Haven't seen you in a while my friend. Your beard is epic at this point! I was so pleased to see you're still making videos.
Maybe a crazy question but would it be worth it to use say 3+ soft armor with 500 steel behind it??? OR is there a combo that you think would be a benefit? I know that the weight would be there but if you were okay with that part -- your thoughts. Appreciate your time and knowledge love the channel!!! and yes I'm subbed
Awsome video! I’ve been wanting body armor for a long time. This was very helpful
Awesome. Glad it helped.
Very informative and comprehensive video! Thank you.
CHECK THIS OUT .... RUNNING A FRONT LEVEL IIIA SOFT ARMOR
. WITH A THIN STEEL PLATE BACKED WITH A TRUAMa. PAD ...
TOTAL LESS THEN AN INCH THICK .....
CALLED LAYERING.STACKED FOR SPALL AND CAN TAKE THE STEEL OUT
... STILL HAVE THE IIIA SOFT WITH TRUAMA PAD BACKER
If you haven't yet, how about a review of RMA plates. Model 1155 Lvl IV. Would like to hear your opinion as well as your test results.
The details you covered are very informative! Thank you !
Great video! Lots of good, detailed info; clearly presented. Thanks
You did a video on RTS Tactical vest. Had a good deal on a plate carrier with plates gloves elbows and knees pads so I pulled the trigger and got it on March 26. Now its May 12 7 emails never answered but they still have my money. AR500 got some go deals if I can get my money back. DONT REVIEW THEIR PRODUCTS IF THEY CAN'T DELIVER. I sure you like yours since it was for free.
Just make sure the armor is sized properly for your torso. Unfortunately for me the standard 10x12 is too big for me, I need a SAPI small cut.
Please encourage the plate manufacturers to include curvature in the plates to redirect shrapnel away from the throats, arms, etc. of the wearer.
Sir, you forgot to mention steel plates can take multiple hits same spot , ceramic and composite will not also if you drop a steel plate no problem, you drop ceramic or composite well forget about it. I got me the omega spartan 500 steel plates with anti spalling sleeve and trauma pads total wt 26 or 27 lb. and have no trouble moving with it. A 65 year old Veteran.
Could you put a plate in a vacuum seal bag and extend the life a little
ItsMeYall83 You got a point there I thought about your question before answering moisture sweat deteriorates Kevlar after time I have Kevlar gloves sleeves and purchased extra large Kevlar sleeves for my legs don't want to get no cuts there. under all that I have longjohns not the tight weave but the loose Open weave ? try not to get water all over the deteriorates Kevlar but I have a lot of sleeves we're concerned about knife cuts versus getting shot I take care of that area too.🕶"
Easy fix to any armor problems use both composite AND steel together!
How do you do that? Use them both together?
Great 101 class on body armor!
There is so much padding on that Agilite carrier I don't know how you can shoulder a rifle.
I just looked at the shoulder pads and you are right those are beefy.
I have level 3+ steel. From CATI so far I am happy with it.
Federal law requires all manufacturers to put an expiration date
You are not specific enough and 100% correct which is 100% vital when it concerns armor you leave a lot of confusion and doubt to people that are less educated in body armor.
Very good information!
It’s been a while on the video... what are your thoughts on the Spartan ar550 III+ body armor kit? Does your swimmers cut set up have a base coat? Or prevent spalling?
Expected a response 👏
Twenties years ago the British had a shirt 👕 to be worn under your outer shirt that would stop 9mm down for covert operations. More then likely it just minimized penetration. Knife attack is another issue.
Been trying to tell people about velocity . Have shot through five eighths steel plates with 7 mm mag 150 grn hunting round not even a problem
55 grain thru a 18" barrel within around 25 yards is how u penetrate lvl3 steel plates.
Whew.... That's alot of information but I've learned alot. Thanks for the video.This has helped me so much.
I may have to watch this afew times just to absorb all the info lol.
May I say this. During the Vietnam War, there were two types of protective vests issued to American troops. One model had hard nylon plates which were set into the vest. Or like mine ceramic pellets, think about bean bag chair. Which you had to shake it to redistribute the pellets.
Now you have steel plates, ceramic, HDPE. Plates . I have tried on a set of steel plates AR 500. In my opinion, it is just too heavy. My be for full time operatives or Law Enforcement. But, for a home steader. Defending the hearth and home . I do not see it, mobility is more important than .doing a stand up gunfight.
I decided to check out that defender body armor. 1 single composite plate of 10x12 was 600$ I know its lite on the chest but not kn the wallet. I got a full top notch gen 2 tes. With 4 plates...and mag plus sidearm holster which is just ok really for 140$ ish less then a single plate from these guys. If it wasn't so damn much it would be nice to give it a shot. Shit gets heavy.
Very informative, thank you. I've looked into body armor but damn it's expensive for good body armor.
Save up for it and don't skimp on it. I personally don't trust steel so I had to save up for ceramic but I'm glad I did. Wouldn't want to go down early because of an unlucky fragment going into something important.
Extremely informative video! Thanks brother!
The carriers really make the difference when you’re moving around . Of course good armor is a big deal, but if you have something, it sure beats your coat only. Also, the plates can be thrown in your back pack and once again, you at least have something and you can swing your backpack around in front of you or over someone like your wife, child, parent or a friend you would give your life for and then you can maybe get a better angle on the shooter.
Great video I am new to body armor and learned a great deal from this thanks!
best explanation ..
Another reason for a trauma pad is small chunks can break off the back of the plate even from a stopped bullet.
Great and thorough explanation! Thanks.
good info and very in depth, thanks!
Do they design plate carriers to absorb Spalding?
My next question is what happens when you have a vest full of mags and they take a hit never mind the bar plate spalling when your full mag of 556 takes a hit before the plate has a chance to stop anything
3a (IIIa) is ABSOLUTELY not rifle caliber rated. It is a soft body armor that is higher rating than level 2 (II) meaning it will stop more. FYI, level 2 (II) is not rated for .44 magnum. Level IIIa is rated for .44 magnum.
NIJ rating goes like this:
IIa (lowest)
II
IIIa
III (rifle rated)
IV (AP rifle rated)
Wondering how he avoids even responding considering he made such a big mess with being inaccurate. I called him out on it as well. How is he going to pass info that can get someone killed, and not own up to the fact that he made a HUGE mistake? Everyone wants to be Tactical this or Tactical that these days, because there is Free stuff and Money in it. If you're going to be "TACTICAL FRED" then you better have your ducks in a row. This guy certainly doesn't understand or didn't care enough to learn what the different threat levels for body armor are?
Man that steel body armor scares the crap out of me. I just don't like the thought of splashing fragments going through the arms, groin, and throat. I know, there are coatings and sleeves, but still.
A few things wrong here. Level 2 is only rated up to 357 magnum; Level 3a is rated up to 44 mag. Both are pistol only armor. Level 3+ steel will stop 55 gr 5.56, but it will not stop the 62 gr 5.56 green tip if it's going 3100 FPS or faster. CATI body armor does not provide a paper with their armor, yet they're a reputable source.
May want to look at the NIJ ratings again.
I'm not gonna dissect what you said, but m855 doesnt penetrate much at all. It's not "armor piercing". Its meant to shoot through obstructions and brush and hold up to deformation before hitting the target.
@@AndyE30 There's plenty of videos proving this, and there's even a chart on AR500 Armor's website.
Better not confuse level 3a stopping rifle rounds. Certain plates yes. But soft body armor NO. Most of, if not all soft body armor level 2, level 2a and level 3a only stop Pistol cartridge.
Excellent presentation and research. Thank you, brother.
He Failed on the research...
Thank you for the knowledge
I will build my own, it will be a hell of a lot better than anything offered.
unless you have the ability to make boron carbide and titanium sheets in your garage, no, it won't be
Body armor isn’t a force field. The energy expended on one side, is transmitted to the other side even if the bullet stops. Think potential for broken ribs or getting punched really hard just by the force of energy alone.
Great presentation, learned alot.thx
I also will have to say though they have done ceramic plate testing and ceramic shoots out and does shoot particles into you not saying it would if it was a vest on but just plain like that it shoots straight up and around just like a steel plate without build on would
Thank you 😀 finally someone who knows what they are talking about 😎
Yeah I had my femur shattered and knee ripped up pretty good back in May of '17 and I can't support steel and load out
@Pavel Manzhetov sorry to hear that. I'm sure your journey wasn't easy. It will hold the weight until you get into mud, soft ground, big hills, or sand. You can't always expect ideal conditions. I'm Not being mean just being real I'm sure it's all things you've considered. I can still stay somewhat nimble with while being able to go longer having a lighter weight ceramic. I prefer steel for it's durability. It's just worth the extra price for me to have ceramic. I'd carry steel if I didn't have the leg injury. I have spent my whole life on a farm I'm not scared of hard work. But there's only so much my knee will allow me to do.
I just ordered the Agilite K19 just about an hour before even seeing this video. Now on to finding me some really good plates...
Just ordered one as well and looking for plates now. Have you ordered plates yet?
@@Roydog187 Not yet, but I am leaning in the direction of PE plates.
That’s the best overall guide to body armor that I’ve yet to see. I do want to correct one minor thing. While velocity is the key to penetration, and a 62 grain bullet fired from a 5.56/.223 round will penetrate less than a 55 grain due to velocity, the M855, because of its steel penetrator core will penetrate further in steel. I’ve tested this on AR500 armor targets and found this to indeed be the case.
17:43 big fact, plus what you're carrying.
I have bought and sold three sets of body armor. I buy it and then change my mind about my actual need for it.
That being said, I have a set coming in a couple days and I will NEVER be selling it again.
if in california, never wear your armor if a civilian can see it. if they do, they call the cops and they take it away. then you have to go to court to get it back. they took me down felony style, for the reason possible gun involved
So what is better for survivalism ? Plate carrier or kevlar vest ?
Thanks for the explanation and video.
Just got my CATI CQB 4 curve lvl3 plates.fit very nice,good price.
Ditto!
VERY informative.
Thank you for this very informative video! You really helped me understand the difference between armor companies. I currently have the Spartan Armor carrier and the AR500 Testudo Gen 2 level 4 multi curved system and really like them both but the AR500 Plate Carrier is a lot better overall. Personal opinion I am ordering a set of Defender plates and looking at another plate carrier also. What do you recommend for ballistic high cut helmets and battle belts?
I have a 70-80 pound manhole cover I found in Austin and after hundreds of rounds with the 55,62, 77 I shot it with my 300 Q pistol HoneyBadger with 208 grain and it punched holes through it, easy. Never before w a 16 223 so why would the 300 blk though slower, punch holes in it?