I like the visual language of the ship, it looks robust, durable, and modern. It's has an understated aggressive look that definitely gives off a ship built for battle more than a long range exploration vessel like the Odyssey variants (except for the Terran Lexington Dreadnought).
Actually miranda does have deflectors, 2 of them, top of saucer cylinders sticking forward from the raised engineering section. Remember TOS/TMP deflectors didn't glow. Miranda was TOS/TMP era ships.
One of my toons in STO flies the Buran. The Dreadnought designation is an artifact of it being a Discovery Refit of the Cardenas Class, which was one of the largest classes from that era, and it has the mechanics of an STO dreadnought: 4/4 Weapons, one hangar bay, and being a complete tank that can also equip dual heavy cannons. It also comes with an Ion Storm Generator Console.
Ships that have the Dreadnought Cruiser tag in STO tend to have one hanger slot and are beefy cruisers with an Engineering lean. Other examples of Dreadnought Cruisers are the Galaxy-X, Atlas Prototype Dreadnought Cruiser, and Kelvin Timeline Intel Dreadnought Cruiser.
From that view of the under side of the ship the part that comes to a point on the front of the cut out part of the saucer it looks like the hammer part of a hammerhead shark's head.
One of my STO characters flies this as their Final ship. The U.S.S. Nia Nal, rocking a Discovery faction engine set and Temporal faction weapon set, along with the tractor mines you can get from the end of the Romulan Mystery story arc.
I'm a traditionalist in the sense I prefer a full saucer section with no cut out at the front. If I were being radical I'd take out the saucer leaving a sharp, pointed primary hull.
0:30 lemme stop you right there. the Gagarin class is the upside down Shenzhou (Walker Class). look at the curves of its (Gagarin) saucer. rotate the ship 180 degrees and re-address the shape of the saucer, the angle of the Bussard collectors, the deflector now positioned on the dorsal hull because it's just a stripped down and redressed Walker, its silhouette now resembles something that flies rather than floats, and it looks fine, great even. but no, they designed an updated and more streamlined Walker and just flipped it over, moved the shuttle bay location slightly, applied appropriate blinkies, and tossed it into the Zstore. once you see it for what it is, you cannot un-see the Upside Down Cruiser. with that rant aside... the Buran is, at best, an awkward look. the split saucer is its most, if only, interesting aspect - and that's just a carry-over from its Discovery counterpart. each one of those pylons/struts/wings are such a huge waste of surface area - and this thing as four of em! having given it a Constellation class nacelle placement, for both Cardenas and Buran, would have been more practical and looked better - with the Constellation nacelle style removing the possibility of in-strut Impulse engines and placing the said Impulse engine within the hull where they could be presented as more substantial and/or just present in general. granted such a nacelle change would likely mean relocating the shuttle bay, but it could do with an improved presence. at least, when i look at the Buran, of the arguable flaws it may have, i don't have to fight with the immediate recognition of it being upside down - so that's a win.
I would argue that the "dreadnought" classification in this case is based on its tactical capacity. It suggests that this is a warship to the degree of the Defiant and Promethius. So, even though it's a much smaller ship than the Galaxy, the Galaxy is denigrated as a 'cruise ship' for a reason. Theoretically, it might even be more aggressive than the Sovereign; the four nacelle design suggests speed and perhaps high warp maneuvers. The Buran might be intended as an interceptor.
@@chrissonofpear1384 Sure. I was referring towards the idea of a ship being designed towards tactical engagements. In other words--ships that are like 70% or more warship as opposed to most Star Fleet ships that are much less offensive. The Defiant is a pure warship, but I would not classify it as a dreadnought. It is too small, especially in its onscreen presentation. The Promethius is--the Promethius. It's designed to split up for tactical purposes. One might consider it a dreadnought for its multiple nacelles and overall firepower, but I'd prefer 'heavy escort' as well. It is more like three escort ships in one, rather than a singular dreadnought. The Galaxy Class might be a heavy cruiser, but a Sovereign is both tougher and hits harder despite probably being a less massive ship, and would be more worthy of the category name of dreadnought for that reason. But neither Galaxy or Sovereign has three or more nacelles. I'm not sure I'm keen on the idea that triple or quad nacelles are necessary to be a 'dreadnought', but that does often seem to be a criteria. I'm not sure alpha-canon would ever allow a 'dreadnought' classification.
@@larqven0192 Well, can't fault you there - though I guess I'd call at least some of those 'tactical cruisers' or even 'battle cruisers', I guess. Not generally Federation style, arguably, though. The extra nacelles are also probably about having extra power and operating range.
I don't know why I'm obsessed with the deflector dish, but I keep thinking "WHERE is the deflector?!" until I find out where it is. On that note... @10:00 the Oberth and the Miranda do too have deflectors! Miranda has two on either side of the ventral aft, and Oberth's is inside its engineering section!
I like the Prometheus design, so I go Hestia as my primary in STO. I do want a dreadnought of some type for my engineering char at some point. Probably Gal-X/Yamato, but that Buran doesn't look terrible (DSC design connection aside).... If >2 nacelles = dreadnought... man, the Borg killed 2+ dreadnoughts at Wolf 359. You know, since the Cheyenne-class and Niagara-class each had at least one ship lost there. :D Honestly, I've come around to the opinion that Starfleet wouldn't have dreadnoughts/battleships. Have something with the punch/defense of a battleship/battlecruiser? Possibly, but not called such, since peaceful explorers having battleships throws some confusion into their message of coming in peace. My thought is "large cruiser", because the only example of that type is a supersized heavy cruiser with heavier main battery. So "it's just a larger heavy cruiser, not a capital ship or 'warship'" argument can be fielded. OTOH, it's possible that heavy cruisers _are_ Starfleet's equivalent to battleships/battlecruisers. Connies, Excelsiors, etc would be the battleships, and ships like Niagara are the battlecruisers? Nebula might be the attempt to make a two nacelle "battlecruiser" for the Galaxy design era, or perhaps instead it was first-gen "BB" leading to the Galaxy second gen? Interesting thought experiment, if nothing else.
I have the ship in STO. If you are familiar with the game, it's a "Command" ship with the full Command specs. The bridge officer layout fall short for me because you need a Lt. Cmd. Tactical seat for the torpedo abilities to match up with the command abilities. It would have made a nice torpedo boat with the Cmd. Engineering/Command and if the had the Lt. Cmd. Tactical. The ships is a standard cruiser layout with 4/4 weapons. The special console is the Ion Storm Generator and the ship's mastery is "Unified Engineering" and both are nothing to write home about. The plus is that it does have a hanger bay and for the gerenal game play it's a decent ship. My choice for the Disco cruisers would be the Gagarin Miracle Worker Battlecruiser.
This ship is AMAZING. I actually managed to take and shrug off a point-blank shot from the Doomsday Machine in the Days of Doom Advanced TFO! Yes, you heard me right! I took no damage from a blast from a DOOMSDAY MACHINE, the planet-killer, despite being hit at point-blank range.
Did you have a space trait active which gives you complete damage immunity on a critical hit that would otherwise kill you? But yeah, even without that the Buran is an incredibly tough ship in STO and almost unkillable if built right.
it likely handles like a brick too...... let me explain I have the winter event felkri dreadnaught carrier from a few years ago. it handles like a brick. It's most dangerous feature is the fact that it has fighter bays. The Lost souls it comes with are decent purchase the other types of fighters and gets nastier with the other felkri fighters, even if you have to have the felkri science carrier that has a t5 variant or you have the t6 variant and use those. eitherway.... I digress the felkri dread handles like a brick
It doesn't translate in photos but the orange bussards actually have a subtle lava lamp effect of light and darker blobs that flow about slowly like the Enterprise E bussards. I agree the rear does look a little like a cutaway. The Khitomer class also has a rear like that and a few other visual similarities. It actually looks nice in the Intrepid class material. I repainted the black accents in the execlsior blue to make it a bit less contrasting.
I think, in STO, the dreadnought designation means the ship can launch shuttles/fighters to assist in battle and that it can use cannons in the weapons loadout. Regular cruisers can't do either. Battlecruisers can use cannons but ca n not launch shuttles in battle. Also, the Buran class has a special console that can generate an ion storm. Pretty neat. Great review, guys. I give mad props to the STO design team for adapting the Discovery designs.
This ship is a fucking monster in game, especially as i can add worker bees to it to keep me goinng. I think its a dreadnought because it can take hanger pets but mostly still frontline combat ship?
If u take away the saucer sections on the side, it totally looks like a Vor'cha class klingon ship, maybe a collaborative effort from Klingon and Starfleet engineers.
I liked it for the most part The second angle you we saw instantly made me think of a Starfury the human fighter in Babylon 5 Personally I think it should have been way bigger or way smaller tho
Okay Guys, much more interesting to discuss are the crew size, specs (i.e. weapons, speed, when built, missions, and of course a view of the bridge, captain, and crew quarters.) These are items off the top of my head. Talking about how orange a section is or whether a side-on view is more esthetically appealing or not is subjective and boring.
Think about it this way, teh side is like that to keep someone attacking fromteh side from tearing through a strut and destroying/disabling a warp drive
I do not have this ship in game and nor would I purchase it. Ship's I'd play over it and ships I'd take over it t6 odyssey( I cant remember its name) koballi samasar cruiser Lukari *(whatever it was, the anniversary ship a few years back) t5 Dyson class t6 Kitomer class( last year's anniversery ship, this year's one sucks) the t6 luna class( I cant remember its name)
I've loved this design since I saw it, its one of my staple sto ships. I've even sketched this thing, it looks good everywhere. I was really exited to hear you talk about it... that didn't last long...
If Discovery had been set in the Lost Era (after Generations, before TNG), ship designs unchanged, I'd have bought it. I could have bought Sarek adopting Michael after Amanda passed and he remarried. Within TOS era, one retconned "previously unknown" sibling (Sybok) I can buy (especially when there were reasons for the family to ignore/disown him), NOT two! They just tried to cram Disco into the wrong part of the timeline. Their "fix" of time-warping to post-Federation thousands of years later (not incidentally rehashing Gene's ideas that were used for Andromeda) isn't much better.
I love the way this ship looks. Unfortunately its one of the crappiest ships in terms of bridge officer seating in the game. Hence I never bothered with it. I too didn't understand why they made it a dreadnaught. Really wish they made it a warship or an escort in game.
Do you not understand what a dreadnought is as a warship class? Dreadnoughts *are* warships, period. Combat is what they're for. It's *all* they're for.
@@vic5015 I take it you don't play STO where this ship is from? I do understand what a Dreadnought is. However in the game STO, the "Dreadnought" is different from a "warship" class. Dreadnoughts in the game, are slow turning turtles with a hangar bay that launches fighters or frigates to compensate. In comparison Warships in the game are fast maneuverable DPS machines that do not have a hangar bay, nor does it need it. Since the game is more DPS centric, the warship is far superior to a Dreadnought.
Meh, the seating is ok, just not spectacular. You won't get any DPS records with it, but it's an extremely capable tank if built right. lends itself more to a torp/mine boat than a DEW build though, but it performs fine in all configurations, just doesn't excell at any. And if built right, it also handles ok. But it's m ain purpose is clearly to just sit there, pull aggro and soak up the damage from the enemy. On the upside, there aren't many things that can kill you in the regular and advanced content and even elite patrols are a breeze. Also, if you give it the Elite Alliance Fighter Squadron from the new Jarok Alliance carrier event ship, the Focused Assault 3 it can put on targets can significantly increase not only your own damage output, but also that of the entire team on the respective enemy, making it a capable support platform. Combine that with the Sensor Suspension Burst console from the Jarok and you are an asset to every team.
Looking from babylon 5 isn't a major issue lol. That being said its a warship pure and simple. Everything will be compacted to be covered by the armour belt like naval warships in the dreadnought age.
Classification in sto is a bit weird, bc its based on the ships in games abilities rather than the design. Often variants of the same base design will be different roles. For example the Disco connies is a flight deck carrier, but the mirror version (based on the defiant wireframe) is a warship. They can use each others visuals, and lore wise are the same base hull, but have completely different classifications.
While I like this ship alot more than you guys do, I will concede there is potential to make the ship better. My biggest gripe is the same as Samuel's. That shuttle bay is WAY too small and the impulse engines bug me even more. They're just two little slits on either side of the doors and I HATE IT. It should've gotten the same treatment as the Gagarin I think. And IDK what you guys are talking about, that deflector is CASH, it's like a big, glowy, hi-tech telescope with multiple lenses if you take a closer look and I love it. I flip-flop between this "USS Hornet" and my Brigid-class "USS Wanderer V".
Trek Yards I think you should Take a Look at the Elkins Type Star ship. This Ship Is a Kit Bash of a Intrepid Class Primary Hull with Underslung TMP Nesells and a Tos Conny Secondary Hull. This ship Is Cannon according to memory Alpha it shows up in the beginning of The DS 9 Episode A time to stand.
Was going to comment earlier but I got a random phone call I couldn't help messing with. Apparently a package addressed to me was intercepted that contains illegal drugs. Had to mess with that caller, too much fun to be had.
The basic four nacelle paradigm should have been used for the copy paste fleet at the end of Picard season 1. Make it look like a Prometheus/Sovereign hybrid descendant in the linage (with a bit of Defiant), and it would be believable as the next iteration of StarFleet ships … and also back up the claim that it's the _fastest_ deadliest ship in StarFleet "OMG they took a Prometheus and added combat systems from the Defiant, then updated it with Sovereign tech". That's what you would use for a pure combat interceptor to protect the boarders of a damaged Federation - a ship that could get there fast … and then kick ass… And that also then and there implies that the Dominion war really changed Starfleet. For this ship, just changing the Saucer to something a bit like the Defiant or Sovereign, instead of the cut outs in the Saucer, and there's the fleet for the final episode.
I really like the Discovery ships...at least most of them. Certainly better than ships from ENT or TNG, IMHO. I think you said you were being dramatic, so that's ok. lol
Oh goodness really? I don't know a single fan who thinks that....but hay...glad there is someone that prefers the Disco design to all the rest of trek (Since TNG designs are the same evolved into TNG movies etc) Crazy but ok ^^ Good for you!
I agree, I fell in love with certain disco era ships and I gotta say they just look amazing. I do prefer enterprise ship designs over 99% of TNG since to me they feel more unique
I find it stupid looking. The hatchet "saucer" is A really stupid design choice, ether go with a whole saucer or don't have one at all. I find all half assed saucer sections as stupid looking and makes no sense. As to "sleek" um what? The Miranda, Connie, the Connie refit, and even the discovery looks sleeker (I feel dirty now) than this stupid looking ship. From the back view looks like a x-wing heading for another ship.
I like the visual language of the ship, it looks robust, durable, and modern. It's has an understated aggressive look that definitely gives off a ship built for battle more than a long range exploration vessel like the Odyssey variants (except for the Terran Lexington Dreadnought).
The diff in size from D to E reflects a change in ship compliment. They are no longer carrying families around.
when you do the comparison video title it 'Buran-Buran' 🤣🤣🤣
cheeky Duran Duran reference...
When we played STO, my friend called this the 'Middle Finger of Starfleet' and I wanted one so so so bad. THIS is a warship. Love it.
The top view of the saucer looks like a two sided battle ax.
and without it, it looks like an X-wing
like a Minoan greek one in my head
Actually miranda does have deflectors, 2 of them, top of saucer cylinders sticking forward from the raised engineering section. Remember TOS/TMP deflectors didn't glow. Miranda was TOS/TMP era ships.
One of my toons in STO flies the Buran. The Dreadnought designation is an artifact of it being a Discovery Refit of the Cardenas Class, which was one of the largest classes from that era, and it has the mechanics of an STO dreadnought: 4/4 Weapons, one hangar bay, and being a complete tank that can also equip dual heavy cannons. It also comes with an Ion Storm Generator Console.
This is actually the ship I fly in STO, and the deflector has a built-in ion storm generator
it is a fucking monster in game to.
@@0SgtRoadkill0 Oh don't I know it
Funnily enough, in Russian, 'Buran' means blizzard...
Ionic generator and deflection systems on the ship would be efficient than previous types.
Ships that have the Dreadnought Cruiser tag in STO tend to have one hanger slot and are beefy cruisers with an Engineering lean. Other examples of Dreadnought Cruisers are the Galaxy-X, Atlas Prototype Dreadnought Cruiser, and Kelvin Timeline Intel Dreadnought Cruiser.
Dreadnoughts in STO can take a punch, then glare back at the enemy, saying, "Oh...you wanted to get into some gangsta @#$! Let's go."
@@acereporter73 Cool!
So, how can I get a look at those designs?
I like the four nacelle configuration, because it feels like a visual reference to the four liquid fuel boosters from the Buran-Energia.
This is PRETTY
🖖😎👍A very cool and very nice looking starship indeed, And very well informatively explained and very nicely executed guys 👌.
From that view of the under side of the ship the part that comes to a point on the front of the cut out part of the saucer it looks like the hammer part of a hammerhead shark's head.
One of my STO characters flies this as their Final ship. The U.S.S. Nia Nal, rocking a Discovery faction engine set and Temporal faction weapon set, along with the tractor mines you can get from the end of the Romulan Mystery story arc.
Cute ship, she looks like something Riker would command! :D
I'm a traditionalist in the sense I prefer a full saucer section with no cut out at the front. If I were being radical I'd take out the saucer leaving a sharp, pointed primary hull.
I agree whole heatedly.
It's an ugly ship with the hatchet blades on ether side.
lol...saucer section is really traditional type. If by contrast to the trek yards types of engines, saucer types are more powerful and simplified.
The ax head just screams fight
0:30 lemme stop you right there. the Gagarin class is the upside down Shenzhou (Walker Class). look at the curves of its (Gagarin) saucer. rotate the ship 180 degrees and re-address the shape of the saucer, the angle of the Bussard collectors, the deflector now positioned on the dorsal hull because it's just a stripped down and redressed Walker, its silhouette now resembles something that flies rather than floats, and it looks fine, great even. but no, they designed an updated and more streamlined Walker and just flipped it over, moved the shuttle bay location slightly, applied appropriate blinkies, and tossed it into the Zstore. once you see it for what it is, you cannot un-see the Upside Down Cruiser.
with that rant aside...
the Buran is, at best, an awkward look. the split saucer is its most, if only, interesting aspect - and that's just a carry-over from its Discovery counterpart. each one of those pylons/struts/wings are such a huge waste of surface area - and this thing as four of em! having given it a Constellation class nacelle placement, for both Cardenas and Buran, would have been more practical and looked better - with the Constellation nacelle style removing the possibility of in-strut Impulse engines and placing the said Impulse engine within the hull where they could be presented as more substantial and/or just present in general. granted such a nacelle change would likely mean relocating the shuttle bay, but it could do with an improved presence. at least, when i look at the Buran, of the arguable flaws it may have, i don't have to fight with the immediate recognition of it being upside down - so that's a win.
I would argue that the "dreadnought" classification in this case is based on its tactical capacity. It suggests that this is a warship to the degree of the Defiant and Promethius. So, even though it's a much smaller ship than the Galaxy, the Galaxy is denigrated as a 'cruise ship' for a reason. Theoretically, it might even be more aggressive than the Sovereign; the four nacelle design suggests speed and perhaps high warp maneuvers. The Buran might be intended as an interceptor.
I thought they used 'heavy escort' for ships like the Prometheus and Cerberus, though, @Larqven 01 ?
@@chrissonofpear1384 Sure. I was referring towards the idea of a ship being designed towards tactical engagements. In other words--ships that are like 70% or more warship as opposed to most Star Fleet ships that are much less offensive. The Defiant is a pure warship, but I would not classify it as a dreadnought. It is too small, especially in its onscreen presentation. The Promethius is--the Promethius. It's designed to split up for tactical purposes. One might consider it a dreadnought for its multiple nacelles and overall firepower, but I'd prefer 'heavy escort' as well. It is more like three escort ships in one, rather than a singular dreadnought.
The Galaxy Class might be a heavy cruiser, but a Sovereign is both tougher and hits harder despite probably being a less massive ship, and would be more worthy of the category name of dreadnought for that reason. But neither Galaxy or Sovereign has three or more nacelles. I'm not sure I'm keen on the idea that triple or quad nacelles are necessary to be a 'dreadnought', but that does often seem to be a criteria. I'm not sure alpha-canon would ever allow a 'dreadnought' classification.
@@larqven0192 Well, can't fault you there - though I guess I'd call at least some of those 'tactical cruisers' or even 'battle cruisers', I guess. Not generally Federation style, arguably, though.
The extra nacelles are also probably about having extra power and operating range.
I like it. I think it's pretty cool looking.
I don't know why I'm obsessed with the deflector dish, but I keep thinking "WHERE is the deflector?!" until I find out where it is.
On that note... @10:00 the Oberth and the Miranda do too have deflectors! Miranda has two on either side of the ventral aft, and Oberth's is inside its engineering section!
Nice ship!
I like the Prometheus design, so I go Hestia as my primary in STO. I do want a dreadnought of some type for my engineering char at some point. Probably Gal-X/Yamato, but that Buran doesn't look terrible (DSC design connection aside)....
If >2 nacelles = dreadnought... man, the Borg killed 2+ dreadnoughts at Wolf 359. You know, since the Cheyenne-class and Niagara-class each had at least one ship lost there. :D
Honestly, I've come around to the opinion that Starfleet wouldn't have dreadnoughts/battleships. Have something with the punch/defense of a battleship/battlecruiser? Possibly, but not called such, since peaceful explorers having battleships throws some confusion into their message of coming in peace. My thought is "large cruiser", because the only example of that type is a supersized heavy cruiser with heavier main battery. So "it's just a larger heavy cruiser, not a capital ship or 'warship'" argument can be fielded.
OTOH, it's possible that heavy cruisers _are_ Starfleet's equivalent to battleships/battlecruisers. Connies, Excelsiors, etc would be the battleships, and ships like Niagara are the battlecruisers? Nebula might be the attempt to make a two nacelle "battlecruiser" for the Galaxy design era, or perhaps instead it was first-gen "BB" leading to the Galaxy second gen? Interesting thought experiment, if nothing else.
I have the ship in STO. If you are familiar with the game, it's a "Command" ship with the full Command specs. The bridge officer layout fall short for me because you need a Lt. Cmd. Tactical seat for the torpedo abilities to match up with the command abilities. It would have made a nice torpedo boat with the Cmd. Engineering/Command and if the had the Lt. Cmd. Tactical. The ships is a standard cruiser layout with 4/4 weapons. The special console is the Ion Storm Generator and the ship's mastery is "Unified Engineering" and both are nothing to write home about. The plus is that it does have a hanger bay and for the gerenal game play it's a decent ship. My choice for the Disco cruisers would be the Gagarin Miracle Worker Battlecruiser.
This ship is AMAZING. I actually managed to take and shrug off a point-blank shot from the Doomsday Machine in the Days of Doom Advanced TFO!
Yes, you heard me right! I took no damage from a blast from a DOOMSDAY MACHINE, the planet-killer, despite being hit at point-blank range.
Did you have a space trait active which gives you complete damage immunity on a critical hit that would otherwise kill you? But yeah, even without that the Buran is an incredibly tough ship in STO and almost unkillable if built right.
@@axelhopfinger533 I had that on one character, but not on the others I used in that scenario.
Buran class DOES NOT DIE :D
@@thomasjoychild4962 Indeed it does not. it is the naughtiest of all the dreadnaughts!
If you took off the saucer section it looks like a Starfire from Babylon 5
it likely handles like a brick too......
let me explain I have the winter event felkri dreadnaught carrier from a few years ago. it handles like a brick. It's most dangerous feature is the fact that it has fighter bays. The Lost souls it comes with are decent purchase the other types of fighters and gets nastier with the other felkri fighters, even if you have to have the felkri science carrier that has a t5 variant or you have the t6 variant and use those. eitherway....
I digress the felkri dread handles like a brick
It doesn't translate in photos but the orange bussards actually have a subtle lava lamp effect of light and darker blobs that flow about slowly like the Enterprise E bussards. I agree the rear does look a little like a cutaway. The Khitomer class also has a rear like that and a few other visual similarities. It actually looks nice in the Intrepid class material. I repainted the black accents in the execlsior blue to make it a bit less contrasting.
This ship looks really nice with the Alliance vanity shield.
I am running it with the Mako one and it is sexy.
I think, in STO, the dreadnought designation means the ship can launch shuttles/fighters to assist in battle and that it can use cannons in the weapons loadout. Regular cruisers can't do either. Battlecruisers can use cannons but ca n not launch shuttles in battle. Also, the Buran class has a special console that can generate an ion storm. Pretty neat. Great review, guys. I give mad props to the STO design team for adapting the Discovery designs.
This ship is a fucking monster in game, especially as i can add worker bees to it to keep me goinng.
I think its a dreadnought because it can take hanger pets but mostly still frontline combat ship?
I'll take one in red, white and blue.
From the back it looks more like an X-Wing XD
If u take away the saucer sections on the side, it totally looks like a Vor'cha class klingon ship, maybe a collaborative effort from Klingon and Starfleet engineers.
The is my favourite looking STO ship ever and even in my top 3 of all star trek ship designs ever
CREW QUESTION: You guys should do a speculation/wish list for the ST: Prodigy ship BEFORE anything about it gets released.
I’m sure you just misspoke but the Shepard Class was the upside down Shenzou, not the Buran
edit: I see other people said this, sorry 😂
Kurtzman trek depends on cut and paste starship. Pure laziness on the part of producers. So glad that abortion has finally been cancelled.
@@kdrapertrucker What abortion has finally been cancelled?
Please tell me you'll be looking at the Gagarin
Sto is really just making refit disco era ships
I liked it for the most part
The second angle you we saw instantly made me think of a Starfury the human fighter in Babylon 5
Personally I think it should have been way bigger or way smaller tho
I like the deflector
The STO version looks much better than the inverted Walker class design
What in the fooken world ship is that lol it looks star wars like. Looks good though 👍
Okay Guys, much more interesting to discuss are the crew size, specs (i.e. weapons, speed, when built, missions, and of course a view of the bridge, captain, and crew quarters.) These are items off the top of my head. Talking about how orange a section is or whether a side-on view is more esthetically appealing or not is subjective and boring.
I love playing this ship. It was the very first ship I purchased from the STO C-Store!! It turns like a truck but it can take a beating!!
Shenzou was upside down, who would put the bridge way down in the bilge deck?
It is a balanced ship strong from every side eithere you like it or you don't... No Nobel prize for nit picking!!!
take off the saucer elements and it looks like an X-wing
We're maybe more starfury
Think about it this way, teh side is like that to keep someone attacking fromteh side from tearing through a strut and destroying/disabling a warp drive
I do not have this ship in game and nor would I purchase it.
Ship's I'd play over it and ships I'd take over it
t6 odyssey( I cant remember its name)
koballi samasar cruiser
Lukari *(whatever it was, the anniversary ship a few years back)
t5 Dyson class
t6 Kitomer class( last year's anniversery ship, this year's one sucks)
the t6 luna class( I cant remember its name)
Yeah the Buran is a really crappy ship. Slow turn rate too many LT. bridge stations that will have to be tactical and can't even get a FAW or BO III.
WHY put bridge on top?
Because Picard smashed the Enterprise E into he Scimitar would be very bad if it was upfront
they should've done discovery in STO
I do like this ship design but got admit seeing it from those different angles it didn't look to good 🖖
I've loved this design since I saw it, its one of my staple sto ships. I've even sketched this thing, it looks good everywhere.
I was really exited to hear you talk about it... that didn't last long...
looks like a Starfury
Interesting variant, and even a Constellation vibe, but notice that the TOS ship and the TNG Galaxy class look awesome from every angle.
Cool.
Slight correction: The Buran Command Dreadnought Cruiser (and the rest of the refit Discovery ships) were introduced in 2411.
If STD took place in the 25th century and the ships looked more like this, I would have watched the show instead of avoid it.
If Discovery had been set in the Lost Era (after Generations, before TNG), ship designs unchanged, I'd have bought it. I could have bought Sarek adopting Michael after Amanda passed and he remarried. Within TOS era, one retconned "previously unknown" sibling (Sybok) I can buy (especially when there were reasons for the family to ignore/disown him), NOT two! They just tried to cram Disco into the wrong part of the timeline. Their "fix" of time-warping to post-Federation thousands of years later (not incidentally rehashing Gene's ideas that were used for Andromeda) isn't much better.
I love the way this ship looks. Unfortunately its one of the crappiest ships in terms of bridge officer seating in the game. Hence I never bothered with it. I too didn't understand why they made it a dreadnaught. Really wish they made it a warship or an escort in game.
Do you not understand what a dreadnought is as a warship class? Dreadnoughts *are* warships, period. Combat is what they're for. It's *all* they're for.
@@vic5015 I take it you don't play STO where this ship is from? I do understand what a Dreadnought is. However in the game STO, the "Dreadnought" is different from a "warship" class. Dreadnoughts in the game, are slow turning turtles with a hangar bay that launches fighters or frigates to compensate. In comparison Warships in the game are fast maneuverable DPS machines that do not have a hangar bay, nor does it need it. Since the game is more DPS centric, the warship is far superior to a Dreadnought.
@@Doublebarreledsimian I do not.
Meh, the seating is ok, just not spectacular. You won't get any DPS records with it, but it's an extremely capable tank if built right. lends itself more to a torp/mine boat than a DEW build though, but it performs fine in all configurations, just doesn't excell at any. And if built right, it also handles ok. But it's m ain purpose is clearly to just sit there, pull aggro and soak up the damage from the enemy. On the upside, there aren't many things that can kill you in the regular and advanced content and even elite patrols are a breeze.
Also, if you give it the Elite Alliance Fighter Squadron from the new Jarok Alliance carrier event ship, the Focused Assault 3 it can put on targets can significantly increase not only your own damage output, but also that of the entire team on the respective enemy, making it a capable support platform. Combine that with the Sensor Suspension Burst console from the Jarok and you are an asset to every team.
13:18 a rant about STO designers fixing Rikers ship from Picard season 1 episode 10
I have it in game and I like it but in game it is not good to play with
Common PLEASE REACT TO THE GLENN CLASS ON STO
Looking from babylon 5 isn't a major issue lol. That being said its a warship pure and simple. Everything will be compacted to be covered by the armour belt like naval warships in the dreadnought age.
Wonder who would win with this versus a Sovereign?
Classification in sto is a bit weird, bc its based on the ships in games abilities rather than the design. Often variants of the same base design will be different roles. For example the Disco connies is a flight deck carrier, but the mirror version (based on the defiant wireframe) is a warship. They can use each others visuals, and lore wise are the same base hull, but have completely different classifications.
While I like this ship alot more than you guys do, I will concede there is potential to make the ship better. My biggest gripe is the same as Samuel's. That shuttle bay is WAY too small and the impulse engines bug me even more. They're just two little slits on either side of the doors and I HATE IT. It should've gotten the same treatment as the Gagarin I think. And IDK what you guys are talking about, that deflector is CASH, it's like a big, glowy, hi-tech telescope with multiple lenses if you take a closer look and I love it. I flip-flop between this "USS Hornet" and my Brigid-class "USS Wanderer V".
Heay remove the bottom 2 nacelle and W you have something special
Trek Yards I think you should Take a Look at the Elkins Type Star ship. This Ship Is a Kit Bash of a Intrepid Class Primary Hull with Underslung TMP Nesells and a Tos Conny Secondary Hull. This ship Is Cannon according to memory Alpha it shows up in the beginning of The DS 9 Episode A time to stand.
Was going to comment earlier but I got a random phone call I couldn't help messing with. Apparently a package addressed to me was intercepted that contains illegal drugs. Had to mess with that caller, too much fun to be had.
I though the Gregarin was the upside down Shenzou?
Yes, we spoke wrong there! it can happen ^.^
Are the main shuttle bay door closed
Just ok
That very beautiful ship 😍
You guys should do separate series of videos about the Expanse ships.
6:54 it looks like it has 3 struts in a row thats how thick it is
The basic four nacelle paradigm should have been used for the copy paste fleet at the end of Picard season 1.
Make it look like a Prometheus/Sovereign hybrid descendant in the linage (with a bit of Defiant), and it would be believable as the next iteration of StarFleet ships … and also back up the claim that it's the _fastest_ deadliest ship in StarFleet "OMG they took a Prometheus and added combat systems from the Defiant, then updated it with Sovereign tech".
That's what you would use for a pure combat interceptor to protect the boarders of a damaged Federation - a ship that could get there fast …
and then kick ass…
And that also then and there implies that the Dominion war really changed Starfleet.
For this ship, just changing the Saucer to something a bit like the Defiant or Sovereign, instead of the cut outs in the Saucer, and there's the fleet for the final episode.
Yeah, definitely NOT a dreadnought.
7:34 if you cut it in half and make 2 ships out of it looks better lol
If you take the saucer away it looks a lot like an X-wing fighter from Star Wars
y is the younger one so confrontational
I like and do not like it. I wish Paramount just hire the crew of Trekyards to design ships.
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I really like the Discovery ships...at least most of them. Certainly better than ships from ENT or TNG, IMHO. I think you said you were being dramatic, so that's ok. lol
Oh goodness really? I don't know a single fan who thinks that....but hay...glad there is someone that prefers the Disco design to all the rest of trek (Since TNG designs are the same evolved into TNG movies etc)
Crazy but ok ^^ Good for you!
I agree, I fell in love with certain disco era ships and I gotta say they just look amazing. I do prefer enterprise ship designs over 99% of TNG since to me they feel more unique
It's a sexy.. and capable ship!
Are they main shuttle bay door closed
I'd like to see a slight rework of this class, but make it 2800m long😁😁
The Battleaxe
2411 now it’s in STO
Awesome ship
Nope, I would never command this ship.
It's ugly and deserves to be destroyed.
I rather use an Oberth(a far better looking ship than this ugly thing.
Would have been better if the ship comparison was stargazer and Prometheus
Too much orange, seems a bit bright. I would prefer a more bland paint scheme. Think Galaxy class. :-)
like the side view
Just wish the ship was little bigger
I do not like it.
I'm the first like 👍
First?
Hi Sean!
@@SGUDistantHope Hi Sam.
Since I've posting for Trekyards this is the first time I've seen "no views" here, I could resist making the comment.
@@seanoneill9606 Nice one! ;) :D I mean...they always come out at 5pm GMT on a Saturday so you can actively try and be first ;)...but thats fun!
I find it stupid looking.
The hatchet "saucer" is A really stupid design choice, ether go with a whole saucer or don't have one at all.
I find all half assed saucer sections as stupid looking and makes no sense.
As to "sleek" um what?
The Miranda, Connie, the Connie refit, and even the discovery looks sleeker (I feel dirty now) than this stupid looking ship.
From the back view looks like a x-wing heading for another ship.
Awesome ship