Southern Baptists Reject Formal Ban on Churches with Woman Pastors, Oppose IVF
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- In one of the most anticipated votes at their annual convention on Wednesday, Southern Baptist delegates voted down a measure that would have enshrined a ban on churches with women pastors in the convention's constitution.
"It failed to reach the two-thirds threshold that's required to make it an amendment," Dr. Ed Stetzer, Dean of Theology at Biola University, told CBN News.
Tuesday the SBC expelled First Baptist Church in Alexandria, VA. The church has a woman pastor over children and women but also believes women can serve as a senior pastor.
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It is better to obey God than to please men!
"It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man." (Psalm 118:8)
The Bible clearly states no women as preachers. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet” (1 Tim. 2:12).
@@Ask-Jesus-for-the-Holy-Spirit ridiculous
@@Ask-Jesus-for-the-Holy-Spirit Phillip had four virgin daughters who all were prophetess's! In the end times your sons AND DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHECY!😮 Try reading the WHOLE of God's WORD!
@@billb3673 To prophesy is not the same as being the lead pastor. Of course men and women can prophesy as the Bible says.
No woman pastors or LGBTQA+ people … it’s time to return to God’s word period
AMEN 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
What?? Its all man made dogma as religion is absurd
@@jwbjpb1338as you use the value of history, ignorant of our ability to be beast like.
I use other people's tech to pass a simple message; take care of your neighbors. God bless
@@GoliathsChamp I’ve met far more atheists more kind and humane than I have so called church goers
Amen to that....
This is the end. Jesus come quickly!
Amen
Yes just look all hate pride and discord in comments alone so sad 😔 how there So comfortable tearing down the body of Christ when God said forgive. They know not what they do. No grace no mercy and many of our brothers and sisters. And it's so sad to watch the fallen away what happened.i pray father soften hearts 💕 Ezekiel 36.26 🙏 💯 plsams 51 there all in my prayers everyone..
The rapture is not in the Bible.
The Bible is clear on this issue. Women can serve in many ways within a ministry but not as Pastors. God has established boundaries and for good reason. Sadly the Church continues to be watered down to suit the culture.
Most sensible comment...........amen.
100%. While women could publicly pray and prophesy in church (1 Cor. 11:1-16), they could not teach or have authority over a man (1 Tim. 2:11-14), since these were two essential functions of the clergy. Nor could women publicly question or challenge the teaching of the clergy (1 Cor. 14:34-38).
Wrong.
@@jenniferturner9012 Scripture is clear. I welcome all to watch Mike Wingers EXHAUSTIVE treatment of the subject. I don't agree with all of it, but I don't think one can come away from that thinking scripture allows for female pastors. Never mind that scripture is clear and gives specific instruction and qualifications.
@@jenniferturner9012chapter and verse please?
Wow the Bible clears explain that in the end times this would happen
And here we are.
I would only attend a church that holds to the scripture with NO compromise.
Catholic 🙏🏼✝️😊
@@Jade_902not
Hard to find, these days. They often claim things as sin that are not in scripture and excuse sins that are in scripture. I think there is room for disagreement on some issues, but on some there is not.
@@Jade_902 This must be a joke. Even they claim that they are not holding to scripture itself, but to other things.
@@justinkase1360 There is 0 room for disagreement on any issue when it comes to God's Church. 2 Jhn 9 says that whoever doesn't abide in the doctrines of Christ is out of alignment with God. And in such a situation, a person is subscribing to heresy. This is exactly why _none_ of the denominations are practicing the truth: they all think they can disagree with God's doctrines and still be considered Christian.
Did they read their Bible? The Bible has all of the answers that they're voting about
do you think they really care? Their religion is litterly only what they say and think it is. What is actually is means nothing to them, and say what you want at least the religious Arabs follow their religion better then the others.
They don't care
@@MrWhateverfits proofread your comment
@@MrWhateverfitsyea except for the whole terrorism thing.
@@vr6373 Jesus tells us to love our enemies. God changes the hearts of the most wicked. Pray for their salvation not their destruction. 🥰🙌
I will always follow what the Holy Bible says. The Bible is the Word of God.
It never even says that about itself so why are you??
I will never step foot in a baptist church! All I've ever seen growing up is people that are judgemental and racist as hell and never seem to have the holy spirit. I never felt the Holy Spirit until I was 50 years old last year and started going to a non-denominational do not feel like Baptist come close to acting like what a Christian should act like. My family dead off and Baptist would laugh at me if they saw me in church riding my hands in worship to me the problem you think it's wrong to have a woman pastor. I think you're the one that has a problem. There were women who preached the word in the Bible. I'll have to go back and look exactly who because I'm just now really learning the Bible. Because all I knew growing up was memorizing Bible verses, but I never knew them memorize them to get an award, and then getting tired of watching my hypocrite family I quit going to church for decades. God calling the churches to get their selves in order and I keep seeing a whole Lotta calling out the Baptist Church.
Amen.
@@MrWhateverfits you are uniformed. Paul wrote his letter to Timonthy, in 60 ad.
@@doc693every verse is God inspired. So God gave this directive to Paul to give to us
We women have very important roles in the church, but a Pastor is not one of them. I don’t understand why this is such a problem with some women. God set the purpose for each gender, a man cannot fully fulfill the position of a woman and vice versa. Haven’t we seen the effects of this in the world today? We now have people who don’t know what gender they are.
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I live literally right next door to a church for the past 16 yrs and have never had the urge to step 1 foot inside.I see the same ppl attending 4 days a week like brainwashed drones. It's ridiculous. You don't need someone else to tell you to have morals and values, to do the right thing. I don't need to pay someone to tell me to be a good person.
The point is NOT about someone telling you to be good. Read Psalm 14 and Romans 3.
The point is that we are so hopelessly lost without Jesus. We need a SAVIOR.
Matthew 7:21-23 tells us there will many who are lost who were "good".
Amen ❤
Goes back to the beginning when the serpent beguiled eve. That why men must lead for her eyes were deceived
THIS is why our church is not Southern Baptist no women preachers, you can teach women and children. Women are not to preach to men, it is in the bible.
pride is sin.
That verse says...."They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was".
Footnote for 16:7 --or "are esteemed by"
Referring to Andronicus and Junia...
@@marilynwillett804 yes it is, so is compromising Gods Word
@@avgejoeschmoe2027AMEN!
@@avgejoeschmoe2027
Which word?
1 Timothy 2 9-13 9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Now put it in context 😊
@@bluesky6985 It is already. Plain as day.
Amen
The Bible says no women preaching in fact its a disgrace for women to speak in the church ....
@@glennschlorf1285 So right, just look around this country and you will see thousands of women in leadership positions but can't lead. That includes the vice president of the United States. It's not just their fault, men have turned into women and women into men.
And yet your average SB pastor will probably try to convince you they aren’t liberal
I mean, Jesus is a liberal, so...🤔
@@sovelissskirata8105 Christ was anti democracy, so no
@@sovelissskirata8105 Jesus chose NO such position. Prove it with scripture please!
@@avgejoeschmoe2027 love they neighbor as thyself. Treat others the way you want to be treated.
Feeding the hungry. Demanding homeless be given shelter. Clothe the naked. Heal the sick.
Basic liberal stuff really.
@@sovelissskirata8105 That isn't being a liberal??? That is just acting how God wants us to act, that has nothing to do with politics.
The Bible says women pastors are not permitted. It doesn't matter how people vote on the matter.
Wrong.
But yet the prophet Joel said your sons and daughters would prophesy. Paul instructs the women on how to prophesy. Paul appointed Phoebe to carry his letter to the Cenchrean church and expound on it herself. Paul challenged the church to accept Phoebe and treat her like they would any other preacher.
Shame on them.
Imagine falling to the culture rather than standing for Christ.
Shameful and cowardly.
Why is it shameful?
@@JFlower7 Scripture is very clear that women are not to be a preacher in a church or hold any leadership role in a church.
@@JFlower7it's very obvious you don't know God's word it's very obvious that you are not you are not born again if you were born again Christian you would know why it's shameful because God said so
Yup, but the church just wants their ears tickled.
Naive. They dell to the culture 30 years ago.
That is too bad and it is not in line with what the scripture teaches. There will be consequences to pay whenever we disobey God..
What does the scripture say about the office of pastor.
The "scripture" has been re-written over and over since it was first conceived of. Why do you think their are so many different Abrahamic denominations? They all can not agree on what god says or even how it should be worshiped. Now you need to go through and find out which one is correct and tell us cause they all claim to be the one true word of god. If you ask me I think the Jews are the most correct cause they seem the oldest but since they don't think hey-zeus was the savior they are waiting for it rules them out I guess.
If you mean about women teaching you are incorrect. It was paul who said "I do not allow a women to teach" in 1 Timothy 2:12 Jesus never said this.
@@MrWhateverfits, it's always some foolish non-believer claiming that Christians should ignore the Bible. Always pointing to a variety of denominations, not at the single God they ought to obey. We can never let atheists dictate how Christians should worship Christ.
men have always hated women. they can't help but let it be seen from time to time. And this is another way to tell our economy is in the pits and not coming back this time, with all the capitalism NIXING regulations to men are girlie now, bully and vulgar doesn't hide that, so for the Great Depression men wanted abortions banned totally get the talent out of the way AND DON'T care if they exhaust women with 20hrs a day! Women are smart, loving NOT extortionist users, and because of men they have to be strategic in their comings and goings. My Heavenly Father MUST look down on that!
1 Timothy 2:11
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. (KJV)
1 Timothy 2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (KJV)
1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. (KJV)
1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. (KJV)
AMEN!
The simplicity that is in Christ, by the Word of God, the Authorised King James Bible. Amen!
While women could publicly pray and prophesy in church (1 Cor. 11:1-16), they could not teach or have authority over a man (1 Tim. 2:11-14), since these were two essential functions of the clergy. Nor could women publicly question or challenge the teaching of the clergy (1 Cor. 14:34-38).
@@adainarizona You do err, not knowing the english tongue. An Apostle is NOT a special messenger, where in scripture does it say that? We see that all those who saw Jesus crucified & raised from the dead, to be called Apostles, the rest disciples. To be of note among a group, does NOT make you part of the group. Yes, fellow prisoners in Christ Jesus, but so are all who believe what the Word of God says, yet that does not make any of us Apostles. If the scriptures had said that Junia was counted among the Apostles, then yes, I would agree, but it does not.
Yes, in Joel, which was fulfilled in Acts, came to pass, yet were those women pastors, bishops of churches, in authority over men? Also, NO prophesying does NOT require speaking in tongues, to prophecy, is to preach the Word of God. As it is written. (Revelation 19:10) "And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." So, prophecy of the return of Christ Jesus, which is to come!
(Romans 10:9) "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
@@KurtBoulter Ok English Prof, I read that scripture from a different translation and when I realized he was referring to being esteemed by the apostles, I deleted my comment. I suspect you replied after I deleted my comment but apparently youtube hadn't removed it. Really interesting how you could make that kind of judgment on someone you don't know. I still stand by everything I said with the exception of the Junia reference, but I don't think arguing is worth my time.
Every church that has let women become pastors has gone woke!
Satanic! Woke is.
Exactly not too mention thry have allowed homosexuality in the church and the accepting of that perversion within 5 years or less they absolutely will face God's brutal physical wrath and punishment
"Going woke" = Going _wicked_
@@hotice8885 no it doesn’t
@@jwbjpb1338 Since wickedness is is simply detachment from God's character-and all the visible AND invisible destruction that entails-the evidence shouts that I am correct. Even the "woke" churches that USE God's name and Word show that they are not "awake;" they are *DEAD.*
1 Timothy 2:12 is the twelfth verse of the second chapter, of the First Epistle to Timothy. It is often quoted, using the King James Version translation: But I suffer not a woman, to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Right! It’s in Gods word. It’s not popular, doesn’t seem fair and so forth. Paul said all Scripture is God breathed. Man’s “wisdom” does not exceed Gods.
While women could publicly pray and prophesy in church (1 Cor. 11:1-16), they could not teach or have authority over a man (1 Tim. 2:11-14), since these were two essential functions of the clergy. Nor could women publicly question or challenge the teaching of the clergy (1 Cor. 14:34-38).
But what scripture did paul read then and say that ? Old Testament.
Pay attention it reads the woman, not all women.
@@mcneillmama50 It means women. I have studied early Christianity the past 20 years and the Church has NEVER allowed ordination of women.
Women have a role within the Church. Just in being ordained to be deacons, priests, or bishops is all.
This truth was universally recognized by all Catholics, Orthodox, Protestant yo until the mid-1970’s when the Church of England illicitly ordained a female.
The Word spells it out clearly, no women Pastors.
Nope.
That's right Amen
That was Paul saying "I do not allow a woman to teach" Jesus never said this. Read 1 Timothy 2 from beginning to end
The Bible says a lot of stupid, contradictory things.
So exactly where in the Bible does it state this? Books, chapters and verses.
Woman Pastors,No such thing.Against the True and Holy Word of God and his Commandments.Flee the Baptist Church Brothers and Sisters.
God can use anyone to tell us about the word of God he even used a donkey.
😅
If the Bible says women can pastor churches, I'd be for it.
It doesn't, so i don't.
I'm just glad I'm out of the Southern Baptist denomination
Luckily nobody cares what you think
@@darklorddisco, well, God does. So, that is not "nobody."
@Zaphod771 these people are making a mockery of God's Word, and btw, no one cares what either of us think
Agree. Let the men lead. fyi im a woman and i prefer men lead. for context we dont just blindly follow, obviously if there is error you pray n speak up as needed
I’m curious, what denomination did you join after leaving southern baptist? I’d love to find a biblical denomination
Going in the same path of The Methodist Church. Little by little they compromised the holy principles. Now look at them!!! What is the next step for SBC??
I'm broken hearted over the UMC. I left 11 years ago and haven't found a replacement yet.
Pentecostal churches have women as pastors: there’s no slippery slope there.
If you have a woman preacher, you don't have a church.
Can one preach yet not be the pastor of the church?
Eph 5:11-12 given to the church (men n women)
@@nancyendicott9047 While women could publicly pray and prophesy in church (1 Cor. 11:1-16), they could not teach or have authority over a man (1 Tim. 2:11-14), since these were two essential functions of the clergy. Nor could women publicly question or challenge the teaching of the clergy (1 Cor. 14:34-38).
Woman at tge well evangelized
Exactly that's what it is if you have if a man does not step up then you do not have a church it's not up to women to go and do that that's not their their part and the Bible holds true it doesn't matter if it's Old Testament or new it's consistent because God's word is timeless God never changes his mind his word is eternal and the people that are having problems with this that want to reject they want to rebel and they're doing this the ones that are supporting this they are definitely part of an apostasy that's Rebellion against God and within five years or sometimes less these churches also allow homosexuality when you have a woman leading the church that's a fact they are rebellious against God most likely they're not even born again oh no seriously, cuz if they're doing that then they don't know the word of God they can try to use any verse in scripture they want to use but they obviously do not understand understand scripture and they are in error I can assure you God will punish them for the rebellion of apostasy this is definitely an apostasy movement and anybody who stays in a church like that will also suffer God's Wrath it's very biblical what I'm saying
Scripture is very clear, a woman is not to be a preacher or have a leadership role in a church.
The wife is to take lessons from the husband and the husband is to take leadership from JESUS. Which one do you want to answer to?
I have an issue with wahmen pastors.... women cannot serve as leadership... its in conflict with the scriptures
this is why your ilk will go the way of the dodo
can't happen soon enough. the world does not need you
men have always hated women. they can't help but let it be seen from time to time. And this is another way to tell our economy is in the pits and not coming back this time, with all the capitalism NIXING regulations to men are girlie now, bully and vulgar doesn't hide that, so for the Great Depression men wanted abortions banned totally get the talent out of the way AND DON'T care if they exhaust women with 20hrs a day! Women are smart, loving NOT extortionist users, and because of men they have to be strategic in their comings and goings. My Heavenly Father MUST look down on that!
I have personally experienced churches with women Pastors that have compromised/watered down the Word of God in their teaching from the pulpit
to cater to the P.C. and WOKE crowd.
Within a few years, the church size shrunk and became more of a social gathering with a lot of gossip. Quenched the Holy Spirit, It became Laodicea
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@@avgejoeschmoe2027 🤦♀️😐 maybe your church is woke, not all the women specifically. Wake up.
At the instant of conception, a new life is begun
Gods law cannot be changed and God will not be mocked
AMEN 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
Have you many of the SB church es lately?
Didn't Jesus give us all the Great Commission? In fact there was never a passage in the Gospel narrative where Jesus says women can't be pastors. it isn't there.
Well, there goes another rubber tree plant...
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Read the Bible. Paul's two letters to Timothy answer the pastorate issue completely.
AMEN 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
The church is NOT a democracy. God, through Christ is the King /Head. READ your Bible, learn His word. 'Hire' godly men who know the word and apply it.
AMEN 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
You don't hire a calling you acknowledge it and then approve it by the the Word of God. The gifts and callings are from Him and are given to the Church.
I know what a calling is. My husband was called to the ministry. However, a minister is paid by the (local) church body, therefore he is hired by them. When I used hire in quotes above, I was using the scriptural qualifications to select then hire him for that church - the ecclesia, the body.
Please you women stop this madness obey the word of God
Feminism has destroyed men, the nation and the church.
aren't the 10 commandments the word of God. No commandment stating women are to be submissive or shouldn't be commended or ordained as pastors. Nope. It isn't in there.
I'm 73. This is the first time in my life that I'm ashamed of the Southern Baptist. God is watching and He's not happy.
You were not ashed of the liberalism of the SBC back in the 60's and '70's? Thankfully there were men who brought the SBC to a conservative stance.
How about when Critical Race Theory was accept just a short while ago? SBC has been going liberal for years.
*Grandes cosas pueden suceder para aquellos que creen en Dios. Estaba deprimido porque tenía una deuda de más de 12,000, pero a Dios sea la gloria, saldé mi deuda y sigo ganando para mí y mi familia. Dios bendiga a la Sra. Regina Maria Howard, Dios la ha usado para cambiar muchas vidas.* 🇺🇸
Mi amiga me habló de ella hace unos años, de cómo cambia vidas de manera positiva y lo intenté y, efectivamente, se registró el éxito.
Hoy llega a 100.000 y me comprometí a devolver el 20% a mi comunidad. Estoy realmente agradecido por todo el conocimiento y las pepitas que me han brindado durante los últimos meses. Comenzó con 20k en enero de 2024.
Lo mismo aquí comenzó con 7000 hace dos meses, ahora puedo decir con valentía que he recibido más de 23,000.
Dios es genial☺️!!
Al principio estaba un poco escéptico al respecto, pero ella me dijo que la vida sin inversiones es vacía, gracias a Dios seguí su consejo, hoy gano mucho y ahora tengo 2 super mart en Estados Unidos.
Soy un inversionista a largo plazo, retiré mis ganancias de más de 10,600 (Diez mil seiscientos dólares) apenas la semana pasada y todavía tengo operaciones en curso. Ella es la mejor.
Isn't this the slippery slope of protestantism, to cherry pick which scriptures to follow and which to disregard?
Absolutely... A womanizing and fake male pastor is okay but a devout woman is not allowed... No wonder Baptists have exodus of believers... Leaving the narcissistic males...
Well, the sloppy slope of Catholicism is to ignore the Bible and have a pope that says all kinds of unbiblical things. At least we can leave a church that becomes heretical. Catholics are stuck with the one church that largely ignores the Bible.
If a man chooses to listen to a woman preacher then, obviously, she is not usurping his authority. It's his free choice and it means she's a good Bible teacher. This is not rocket science. Only prideful Christians who have a religious spirit would prefer to listen to an unanointed pastor than an anointed woman who knows the Word of God. You don't need much spiritual discernment to know which pastors are anointed and which ones are not.
People who love learning the deep things of God, through the Holy Scriptures, don't care if they're listening to a man or a woman. Only religious church folks do. God is using issue like this to test His household. I hope you love the whole Word of God and are learning what the Father's plans are for the resurrected/raptured church because He is expecting you to have been taught that by now. Sadly, the church has been so dumbed down by those standing in God's pulpits that you can't even conceive of what your ministry will be during the 7 years of Daniel's 70th week. Yet, it's recorded in the Bible. You just have to dig for it.
uplifting and beautiful
Biblically sound doctrine says women are not head of a church. Teach ping is to inform, preaching is to move!
It's funny how people preach about Jesus but don't preach the same message that Jesus preached - the Kingdom of Heaven has returned to Earth. Jesus plainly explained his mission for being on Earth in Luke 4:41 And lastly set the priority of all of mankind in Matthew 6:33. The Kingdom of God is a Government ruled by our Father Yahweh - the King of Glory. Democracy is not found anywhere in the Bible because it's based on Paganism. Just like any other religion created by man. According to our Lord Jesus, Pagans pursuit their own provision every day through the practice of religion and set their own rules contrary to the rules set by the Kingdom of God.
The first intelligent response to this SBC three ring circus I've read so far.
No woman preacher or pastor. A woman is not to be over a man. Shes a help meet to her husband . Tend to the house and family. 🙏🇺🇸
Again Paul is the one who said this it is not from Jesus.
@@jaygreentree4394, Paul spoke with the authority of an Apostle of Christ. Peter said to respect Paul's writing as equal to other scriptures. So, no, it wasn't just Paul. It was Christ.
Linda don’t preach then
Exactly paul says over and over “I”. If I said that and told you I believe women should not talk at all would that be of God? I said “I”
Eph 4:11-12 allows women n men in 5 fold ministry. But I get it men already have been usually not the leader at home they sure don’t want to go to church and listen to a woman again
Following man is not ok. Follow the Bible not the world that changes daily to fit the current sin.
Why does the issue of abuse in the church by pastors and staff need to go to “another” board. It is wrong and this convention should have come down hard on this immediately
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thus says peter and paul, Jesus never said that. He said himself "there is neither male nor female, you are all ONE IN Christ"!! He also gave Mary Magnolin orders to give the deciples and Peter was mad because she was a women. I dont have the answers. Just I think It is a Peter/Paul teaching, not "God" teaching. Men like using God as a way to control people. Jesus became a curse for us on the cross, that includes the curse from genesis.
it is jealousy on the part of the men in the SBC because women are out performing them in seminary school, making better grades and better communicators. It's all about money and power mongering. women pastors may threaten their job security and their little kingdoms and shrines they've built for themselves may all come falling down. Babylon is falling to rise no more. Denominations are man made constructs. Modern churches are just brick and mortar buildings, none are sacred any more. Nail the ichabod sign over the door and padlock the doors-the glory of God has left the building.
For those who prefer the teaching of Scripture to the error of society there is the Independent Baptists.
that is pure ignorance. Bull-oney
How so?
What is the business of the church with my child bearing decision. This is crossing your boundaries.
I am more concerned what the Bible teachers about bearing children
The church isn't making any decision.. God has made the decision .. "Before you were in the womb I knew you." -- (God talking in Jeremiah) Get reading. Allow your baby to live.
You do not have to agree with their stance that life begins at conception, but they are only standing against murder....since life, even scientifically, shows that it begins at conception, they are standing against murder....it is their business if you murder a child.
It's sad to see the apostasy, but not surprising as the Word of God foretells it. Since when did people start to believe the LIE that man is leader of the Church? He's not, Christ is the head of the Church. Since when did people forget that the flesh does NOT minister, but the Spirit of God! This is true, whether He speaks, teaches, instructs, rebukes or blesses whether abiding in man, woman, donkey, burning mountain, burning bush or rocks.
Yet, still, as the Isrealites who pleaded for a king before the Prophet Samuel, replacing God in their hearts with carnal substitutes, we see many in the Church doing the same. What blind, covetous obsession to usurp a place that ONLY corresponds to Christ. God has already guided, lead, governed, judged, taught and spoke in the congregation to men and women, through use of women. Just as He uses men, He can and has, used women, too. The physical, biological form of a person does not matter, but the Spirit of God who fills the vessel used to minister. Again, the flesh cannot minister, and man is not in charge. Thank God for that!
Women in the Bible w/ ministerial calling:
Apostle Junia (Romans 16:7)
Prophetess Deborah (Judges 4:4-5)
Prophetess Miriam "Mary" (Exodus 15:20)
Prophetess Huldah (2 Chronicles 34:21-22)
Prophetess Anna (Luke 2:36-37)
Pastor Priscilla (1 Corinthians 16:19)
Deacon Phoebe (Romans 16:1-2)
"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:27-28).
I never thought I would see the SBC walk away from God.
If Jesus intended for only males in the Church to preach, then why did He give this directive:
Go into all the world and preach the Gospel to all creation. Mark 16,15
He did not say that this directive was only for men and that women are excluded from it.
A woman can lead many to Christ outside of church. Women's Bible studies, neighbors, friends etc.
This is a non essential doctrine and there are many non woke churches that allow women pastors. It is a matter of interpretation.
Are the messangers apostles? Don't remember this sort of vote in the Bible. So much for sola scriptura
They Should Follow The Bible!!!
Yea woman are not supposed to preach thus says the LORD
men have always hated women. they can't help but let it be seen from time to time. And this is another way to tell our economy is in the pits and not coming back this time, with all the capitalism NIXING regulations to men are girlie now, bully and vulgar doesn't hide that, so for the Great Depression men wanted abortions banned totally get the talent out of the way AND DON'T care if they exhaust women with 20hrs a day! Women are smart, loving NOT extortionist users, and because of men they have to be strategic in their comings and goings. My Heavenly Father MUST look down on that!
sad that many women hate women.
Preach is not the same as pastor
thus says peter and paul, Jesus never said that. He said himself "there is neither male nor female, you are all ONE IN Christ"!! He also gave Mary Magnolin orders to give the deciples and Peter was mad because she was a women. I dont have the answers. Just I think It is a Peter/Paul teaching, not "God" teaching. Men like using God as a way to control people. Jesus became a curse for us on the cross, that includes the curse from genesis.
@@BeckyCathellnonesense
Laodicea. Sad.
Bad spin ... by not voting to reject women pastors they have embraced women pastors. Now Baptists can have women pastors - which is against the Bible.
While women could publicly pray and prophesy in church (1 Cor. 11:1-16), they could not teach or have authority over a man (1 Tim. 2:11-14), since these were two essential functions of the clergy. Nor could women publicly question or challenge the teaching of the clergy (1 Cor. 14:34-38).
well we used to do alot of things back then, like using outhouses and riding horses to church, but we don't any more.
@@mcneillmama50 My comment wasn’t about all sorts of things. My comment was specifically on how the ordination of priests,deacons,and bishops is limited to males since 33 AD.
You get what you get when you allow someone else to control your life.
Bless your hearts.
Southern Baptist is now compromising????
Na, been compromising for years now!
I have personally experienced churches with women Pastors that have compromised/watered down the Word of God
in their teaching from the pulpit to cater to the P.C. and WOKE crowd.
Within a few years, the church size shrunk and became more of a social gathering with a lot of gossip. Quenched the Holy Spirit, It became Laodicea
It's about the Holy Spirit anointing you and empowering you to minister, not about what is or is not in your pants.
The Holy Spirit does not reject the Word of God. That is a lying and deceiving spirit.
@johnsonfamilyhomeschool675
Are you aware that 1 Timothy 2,12 could just as well be translated "I suffer not a wife to teach or usurp authority over a husband " ?
The Greek word for husband is the same as the word for man, and the Greek word for wife is the same as the word for woman.
So many men in the Church prefer the translation that keeps Christian women bound in a second class position.
Paul was speaking of a certain situation with a certain couple in Timothy's church, not against all women for all time.
@@johnsonfamilyhomeschool675
^^^^
What exactly is a southern Baptist ? The most high is coming back for his elect his chosen YASHRAEL
Excellent! As a Catholic I am proud the Catholic Church is not alone on these issues.
This Byzantine Catholic agrees.
While women could publicly pray and prophesy in church (1 Cor. 11:1-16), they could not teach or have authority over a man (1 Tim. 2:11-14), since these were two essential functions of the clergy. Nor could women publicly question or challenge the teaching of the clergy (1 Cor. 14:34-38).
Women pastors is ridiculous!
What does God word say about women being over a church. These people need to read God’s word and they will see its stance against women pastors. Women are not to lead a church, therefore if they allow this, they’re placing man’s opinion on this issue over God’s word. Liberalism continues to engulf the church. Obey God not man. Dr. J. Vernon McGee has a great teaching about women pastors in the church.
Men suppose to be pastors 😊
Why do the Baptist have a problem with the Bible. A women is not supposed to be a pastor. Nuff said
Modern translations teach otherwise. That is their ammunition...and since Baptist teach virtually any popular translation goes, it was only a matter of time.
Well, the Apostle Paul said different. And that was more than 44 years ago.
As a Catholic I am glad to see the Baptists are holding on to a strong Biblical viewpoint. I hope the Catholics Church will address abuse reform better, it has gotten better but still needs to be rooted out of the churches completely.
sbc leadership choose money over God.
Doing something contrary to God's word for a long length of time is not a cogent argument making it A-okay.
I’m gonna have to ask Jesus why he allowed a woman to bring the good news. Because she preached to the town and many came to the field of Jesus. I’m now these people are saying that the women cannot preach. Oh my God.
Allowing women to be called "pastors" and act in such positions is part of the reason I'm now embarrassed to admit that I was raised in a Southern Baptist church. 😞
i walked away from the SBC rules and regulations a long time ago in favor of the Wesleyan church. I have not regretted it.
Who has the right to vote on the Bible????? Look out
Do as the bible says! Other wise those will be left behind or be judged by christ! Please lets obey our father which is in heaven!
they don't do as the Bible says but tell everybody else they have to obey the bible. that's the hypocrisy in the baptist church. Its all about look at what I'm doing, look at my holiness. they've taken their eyes off god in favor of men.
W.W.J.D.? YOU GUYS MUST NOT READ THE SAME BIBLE!
It's not what W.W.J.D. but what he had done!!!
So thankful they got it Biblicalically correct on both counts.All these years all we had to do was pray for the biblically understanding.
They're really going to be shocked when they figure out Nuns exist. 😂🤣😂.
(Titus 1:5-9)
This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you- if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.
(Titus 2:3-5)
Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.
AND, YOUR POINT IS...????
@@pamelafrye4667 🤦🏼♂️...
A nun is not clergy. This Catholic can tell you that nuns and monks are not clergy or ordained.
While women could publicly pray and prophesy in church (1 Cor. 11:1-16), they could not teach or have authority over a man (1 Tim. 2:11-14), since these were two essential functions of the clergy. Nor could women publicly question or challenge the teaching of the clergy (1 Cor. 14:34-38).
@@richlopez5896
(Titus 1:5-9)
This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you- if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.
(Titus 2:3-5)
Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.
They are now LOST if they disagree with the BIBLE.
God ordained man to lead the church he ordained woman to serve the church not to lead.
This is why Church memberships are going down because churches are going away from the word of God.
Nowadays some Churches look like dancehalls.
AMEN 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
SBC is gone too. So be it.
This is poor reporting. I talked with a couple that was at the convention and they did not vote to allow women pastors. Policy is already in place to limit the role of pastor to men as demonstrated by voting out Saddleback last year and another this year. It was more that it was an addition that was unnecessary. Baptist faith, right or wrong still requires male leadership.
I have to say read the Bible. The family unit is the key to the church.
Well, you either stand by the Bible or you don’t. I see the Southern Baptists don’t stand by the Bible when it comes to Pastors so what else have they thrown aside to accommodate peoples feelings. The Methodist are dead so are the Southern Baptists next?
No. Female. Pastors.
🐝🐝🐝Please 🙏🏻pray for salvation for Chris, Pete and Nick.
Since when are scriptural commandments subject to vote by fallen human sinners!!🤔🤔😢😢👎
Phillip had four virgin daughters WHO ALL WERE PROPHETESS'S, in the latter days your sons AND DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHECY, Moses sister was a prophetess, Huldah was the head of Israel's bible college, Deborah was the judge who was the head of Israel and lead Israel into victorious battles.. God chooses whomever He will..
The prophet office doesn't give someone ecclesiastical authority. They relay revelation from God. Huldah is an example of how this works. Hilkiah was the minister as the priest, not Huldah. God also struck Miriam with leprosy when she tried to elevate herself to Moses' lvl of being a minister. The only time someone can be both a prophet and minister under the New Covenant is if they are an apostle, and even then they'd have to be a _man_ .
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 You're mistaken. Are Prophets/Prophetess not called by the Holy Spirit of God for the edification of the Church in the Spirit? They are! Moreover, they hold the second highest authority in the Spirit within the Church.
"And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ," (Ephesians 4:11-12).
"And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues." (1 Corinthians 12:28).
The Prophetess Huldah, moved by the Spirit of God TAUGHT the High Priest, and other priests as well as the King of Judah about the Law. Through her, God INSTRUCTED what they had to do and what would come to occur due to the people's rebellion. The High Priest had no clue or instruction to give the King. The priests were tasked to maintain the temple operating, but a Prophet/Prophetess is placed to edify the Church - ranks WAY, WAY higher than the High Priest. It was the Prophet Moses who was used to give the Law and place the Priests. It was the Prophet Samuel who was used to anoint the first kings of Israel. It was the Prophets Haggai and the Prophet Zechariah who were over and instructed the High Priest Joshua, Nehemiah and the Scribe Ezra on what would be done for the reconstruction of the temple. It was not the priests, nor High Priests, who were tasked with this. They had no business or SPIRITUAL authority to oversee the tasks mentioned above - a Prophet/Prophetess does. Even with the Prophetess Miriam, she was used for the same purpose to LEAD Israel out of Egyptian slavery - this was not solely done by her two brothers. All three sinned against God in one way, not just her. "For I brought you up from the land of Egypt, I redeemed you from the house of bondage; And I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam." (Micah 6:4). Finally, an Apostle is NOT a Prophet. Different ministry and calling, as I shared in the verse at the start. You're mixing and inventing. Just how a Apostle does not carry the prerequisite of being born male, which is why there's an example of a female Apostle: Apsotle Junia (Romans 16:7).
Please watch the video. No one is arguing about phrophetesses or judges....the office is that of a Bishop (a.k.a. Pastor). The Bible is very specific in ITS answer.
@@johnsonfamilyhomeschool675 Respectfully, you're missing the mark entirely. Since a Prophet/Prophetess has a higher Spiritual authority than a Pastor, ANY woman Prophet governs over ANY male Pastor, in the Spirit. The focus is the office/calling not the physical, biological form. Thus, the points given about the Prophetess' mentioned in the Bible.
Yet, the Bible does give an example of a female pastor: Pastor Priscilla, who oversaw a congregation in her own home and even taught scholars more accurately about The Way. (1 Corinthians 16:19), (Romans 16:3-5), (Acts 18:24-28). People erroneously attribute a wife's role in the home, submitting to her own husband, as something to do with how God calls someone to ministry. It's nonsensical and a lack of spiritual discernment to do that. Physical vs Spiritual. Hope that clarifies the reason of the points previously mentioned. God bless you!
Bible is clear women are not to be pastors. They can serve in other capacities but not as a pastor and the Bible explains why.
Women's role in ministry is in teaching not being head of a church. When Joyce Meyer first appeared she herself said that her role was as a teacher of the word not that of a pastor.
Where in the Bible does it say that women are not allowed to preach , be Pastors or Reverends ? Thats anti feminist, racist and misogynist?
I would be willing to accept women pastors if they stood against feminism and supported the family over modernism.
Big mistake
Ironically we shouldnt have pastors or priests anyway. Theyre all corruptible.
Jesus is the ultimate pastor, the ultimate priest. He is the ultimate father figure. He is the ultimate role model. His Word is all we need
Someone hand those Baptists Bibles!
IS VOTING THE WAY TO DO THINGS IN THE BODY OF CHRIST OR SHOULD WE GO TO SCRIPTURE AND DECIDE FROM THE WISDOM AND INSTRUCTION IT GIVES ? THE LATTER WOULD SEEM TO ME TO BE THE RIGHT WAY TO MAKE DECISIONS.
While I believe I understand the gender-limited roles in Scripture there is a semantics issue here, i.e. “pastor” as someone who shepherds, versus the office of “elder” which is often referred to as the “office of a pastor.” It would help to better define these terms. For example, not all “senior pastors” are pastors in the shepherding sense. A strict ban would create legalism and not resolve deeper heart matters related to chasing leadership positions and titles, healthy marriages where couples lead a local church together and model Christ’s love for His bride, men and women needing discipleship and encouragement in using their gifts in and out of the church, etc.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on a clarification in terms. We appreciate you commenting on this story as we look into the Southern Baptist Convention and their stance on this issue.
its religious fundamentalism, legalism and religious tyranny. as old as history itself. Power mongering. When Jesus gave the Great Commission to us all.
Everyone please pray and stand in agreement that I never go back to a mental hospital and never get hospitalized at a mental hospital ever again ❤
praying for you. I understand what you are going through. One of our sons was involuntarily committed due to substance abuse.
1st Timothy 2:12, 1st Timothy 3:1-5. There is no such thing as a woman pastor. This is not a Biblical institution.
44 years is not 2000 years.
God never give women a pastor's Job
He did: Pastor Priscilla (1 Corinthians 16:19), (Romans 16:3-5), (Acts 18:24-28).
"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:27-28).
Am I the only one confused? The title of the video says that they REJECT a ban on women pastors, but they said in the video that they UPHELD the ban on women pastors. Which is it?