Hi Guys... Here's a new link that should accept your email address for a free sample. There was an issue with the link I provided but I believe Hubbell has it worked out now. So sorry for the confusion on this. www.hubbell.com/wiringdevice-kellems/en/edge-connect?HES-WDK_EdgeConnect-2024&.9&
I have done major remodels on 2 house's and am working on a third. One of the first things I do is replace all the cheap "builder grade" outlets and switches with high quality commercial grade ones. Thanks for the video. Like your presentation style. Subscribed.
I recently upgraded the top floor of my house with commercial grade side wire outlets, what a difference. I'll try one of these and see how they work. Love your USAF hat (1969-1973)
Haha, I’m surprised it took this long. This has been in the automation and controls field via terminal blocks for decades. Happy to see outlets are adopting it! I have had very few issues with the hundreds of thousands of wires I’ve installed in similar mechanisms.
@@thatclintguy Ayy, love you guys! I made my companies standard parts stock almost all phoenix contact. Y'all have a solution for everything, even super weird, 1 off solutions I've run into.
This is the first time I have seen one of your videos. How refreshing to see another professional electrician telling it like it is. Although I am now retired I spent 50+ years doing troubleshooting and repair as well as new installations. Most of my work in later years was commercial and industrial. I spent a number of years doing residential repair and remodel and always recommended to my customers that they would benefit from using commercial grade outlets and switches even if they did cost more. Thank You Again. P.S. I started out in Los Angeles City and County which always had stricter electrical codes than national, like outlet orientation.
Awesome thank you and thanks for sharing your story. I started my electrical career out in Sacramento CA as an Air-Force electrician. I'm retired now as well.
First saw Wago connectors years ago on a transmission control module that vibrated like crazy, They worked a treat and never failed in very difficult service, good product and it has been in designs for about 40 years. Great product design
Hey John, I just got this video in my feed, and it is the first time I have seen one of your videos. Very informative and I appreciate the the concise format. Too many 'tubers' seem to think entertainment is as important as the information. That's fine for a lot of stuff, but for DIY stuff, I prefer the format you use here. Thanks.
I still like the back wire under screw terminals on commercial grade receptacles the best. it is very secure and foolproof I see people mess up wire nuts and hooks around screws, but a strait wire under a screw clamp is hard to mess up.
Exactly. I asked weeks ago what these fancy Hubbell outlets cost and, no surprise, got a vague answer. I have never liked the bottom-barrel homeowner grade outlets and their wrap-around-the-screw connections. The commercial grade outlets are a solid compromise and take barely more time to wire than these Hubbells. It is hard to imagine that they would save enough time to justify what is surely a lot higher price.
@@thardyryll They might only save enough time in areas with very expensive labor. Being in the NYC area even a small amount of time savings add up to a lot.
My policy is always listen to the people that fix and work with the products everyday. Thank you for your very informative and straight forward approach to your videos. So many of the channels I follow seem to be posting videos just for the sake of getting something out there.
Now questioning socket and switch replacements/upgrades I did many years ago in my home. I know I used backstabs in some instances, just can't remember where at this point. Thanks for the good information. Hubbell makes great stuff.
I’ve been replacing all of the outlets and switches in a house my wife and I bought a few months ago. Almost all of the wiring was done with the quick connects, including daisy chaining to the next outlet. I did find some outlets that were using quick connects on 12 gauge wire! They were marked as being able to use either 14 or 12 in the quick connect. Some outlets had the quick connects so loose that the wires just fell out when I pulled the outlet out of the box.
The quick connects used to be offered on 20A devices but due to the high failure rates they are only offered on 15A devices now. This new connection by Hubbell is quite different and so much better.
They were only a problem when #12 was used. I’ve never found #14 causing the old outlets to fail on the back stabs. No one ever makes this distinction.
@@1337farm I had several outlets that only used #14 have the wires falling out when I pulled them out of the boxes. Of course, these were probably originally installed about 30 years ago. In any case I've been replacing them all with heavy duty receptacles using back wiring and daisy chaining with Wagos and pigtails instead of going through the receptacle.
I agree about residential grade outlets. I don't use them either. But you said the back stab are one time use. All the ones I've seen have a rectangular slot that you can put a small flat head screwdriver in and depress the tang to release the wire. The one you showed had that. 🤷
Yes they have that to disconnect the wire but once you do you cannot use the stab again. You can still use the side terminals. All backstab receptacles no matter the manufacture are listed as one time use only. It's in the literature and most also have it printed on the back of the device. The reasoning behind it is when you push a small screwdriver into the slot to release the wire you're bending up the metal tab that secures the wire. The wire will be loose after that and fail very quickly.
John - just ran across your channel today and subscribed. Like other commenters have noted, I also like your straightforward presentation - great zoomed in shots on your B-roll as well. And as an electrical engineer in the commercial/industrial industry for decades like yourself, I find it refreshing to see that companies are still trying to improve upon products that have been around for a long time - even something as "simple" or "common" as a duplex receptacle. Cheers!
Awesome, thank you! I was an industrial electrician for most of my career but I spent my last ten years as the senior electrical engineer for a Texas Instruments FAB here in southern Maine. I'm retired now and started fooling around with making videos and it's now becoming more than just a hobby. lol
Sounds like a good option for homes built in the 80s with cooper clad aluminum wiring which I understand is a thicker gauge and brittle. Thanks for the tip!
This is a improvement over the residential outlet. I think that the contractor grade side wire is a better way to go. When you use the side wire or back stab the newer version the wire is held between 2 solid plates and contact is along the full length of the wire. just like side wire screw holds contact on Bothe sides all along the wire. spring loading gives up its hold when it gets hot.
Thank you Ed.. I appreciate that my friend and I love your content as well. You are a natural on camera and always interesting content. I'm finally getting some traction on my long form electrical content. I was kind of stuck in a shorts trap for a while.
Interesting. The contact mechanism in these actually looks very similar to what's inside WAGO connectors (just a bit larger, presumably to accommodate larger wire, with a slightly different lever mechanism)...
My wife and I lived in a mobile home when we were first married. It was a very nice little house, the previous owner had even installed a pitched roof and insulated it. The one thing they didn't do, however, was update the wiring. I had a receptacle catch fire one night. I was lucky as i witnessed it happen and took care of it quickly. The trailer was wired with aluminum wire and used the back stabs on the receptacles. That is a bad combination! I love the look of these new receptacles. I will be giving them a try!
I've heard a lot of horror stories about mobile home wiring but I have never actually worked on one myself. The stab connections are rated for solid core copper wire only on the old back stabs. I'm glad you were able to take care of the fire quickly.
I would put money on the fact that those devices were not listed for use with AL wire. It wasn't jut the backstab-the whole thing was probably suffering the corrosion that occurs between dissimilar metals. That turns your outlet into a heating coil in the wall. Thank God that fire didn't happen in the middle of the night.
I have a new link in the pinned comment and I'll have it in the description as well in a few minutes. I contacted Hubbell and they have informed me that the email issue has been corrected with this new link. Sorry for the mix up.
Hi Guys.. Here's the link to get your free sample of the Hubbell Edge Connect. www.hubbell.com/wiringdevice-kellems/en/edge-connect?HES-WDK_EdgeConnect-2024&.3&
@@jepomer I have a new link in the pinned comment and I'll have it in the description as well in a few minutes. I contacted Hubbell and they have informed me that the email issue has been corrected with this new link. Sorry for the mix up.
I know you’re plugging the Hubbell with this video, but you could have mentioned your previous Leviton video. I’ve used the Leviton and so far I’m very happy with them.i did just fill out the Hubbell sample form. Thanks for your videos.
These look like spring connections in terminal blocks. Nice to have a lever though instead of stabbing in a screwdriver or “designated tool per the manufacturer”.
Haven’t tried the Hubbles, but have tried Leviton Edge wego style lever connections. From watching your video, I prefer the lever style. No tools needed for making or breaking the connections.
One thing I don't like about the Decora Edge is it's only offered in 15A residential grade devices, only in decora, and limited to duplex receptacles, single pole switches and 3-way switches. Maybe they will expand in the future?
These are similar but a much tougher design and higher end device overall. One thing I don't like about the Decora Edge is it's only offered in 15A residential grade devices, only in decora, and limited to duplex receptacles, single pole switches and 3-way switches. Maybe they will expand in the future?
We had so much humidity this past summer (my shop is in a half daylight basement with a garage door) that I ended up with mold. I treated my work bench and shelving four times to kill it and it kept coming back. I finally took everything apart, burned it and build new. I do like the bench as well.
How does that hold up compared to the Leviton Edge series devices that use a lever action to secure the wire? Similar to Wago connections, but built into the device.
Those are pretty good as well. One thing I don't like about the Decora Edge is it's only offered in 15A residential grade devices, only in decora, and limited to duplex receptacles, single pole switches and 3-way switches. Maybe they will expand in the future but for now I prefer these.
I like your video on these products. I’m retired from electronics and telecommunications( mainly RF) tech jobs most of my work career. I always think of a wire size in an AGC glass fuse when I look at a connection. The push in connections on the outlets and switches never passed the 15 amp + safety factor. I’m getting ready to buy a bunch of outlets and switches on a duplex I’m building and will check this new type out. We used a lot of big stranded wire where I worked. The last place was a gateway earth station and our DC load for 48v was 1400 amps. I did 15 years doing communications work on the Alaska pipeline before that. We did that with both fiber optic and mountain top microwave. I lived in Maine once.
@@BackyardMaine I was stationed in Brunswick 72-75. I had a great time doing things like canoeing the Allagash, skiing Sunday River and Lost Valley and riding a 350 Honda around with friends that also had them.
I like the J hooks and back wiring on commercial grade as well but these are really decent and a huge improvement. I didn't try to spin the wire so I'm not sure. I'll check when I go back out to the shop. Im going to do more testing including load testing on these so stay tuned.
Looks like a good advance from the traditional side terminals. When I started in the trade back in 1966 we were just seeing grounded receptacles. When plastic boxes came along in the late 60’s one of my trade school teachers said they were not good. I asked what was wrong with a device box that was non conductive? Crickets. 😮
The stab devices are trouble as are the indivisual connectors made similar for wires. Manufacturers have torqe specs, how do you achieve a good safe connection with them? You can spin the wire once inserted. How is that a connection and what's the torque? This new device connection looks good. Thanks for the update!
That extra piece can be snapped right off. One thing I don't like about the Decora Edge is it's only offered in 15A residential grade devices, only in decora, and limited to duplex receptacles, single pole switches and 3-way switches. Maybe they will expand in the future?
@BackyardMaine I'm pretty sure they are targeted at the manufactured home industry. But deleting one tool from the installation process isn't a benefit if they just add a different tool to the process, as far as I'm concerned.
@@BackyardMaine I'm sure that if these prove to be popular that they will extend the system across the rest of the decora line. Not sure about the "traditional" line, as those outlets and switches are typically priced at under $1 and it probably wouldn't be cost effective to upgrade them.
I've installed one Leviton Decora Edge receptacle at home and it works even more easily than the Hubbell Edge Connect in that it is completely tool-less for both insertion and removal of the wire. As a counterpoint, I have some experience wiring outlets in the Philippines, and they use screw-clamp terminals there which work very well.
I like the Leviton decora edge as well (I made a video on them also) the only issue is they are limited to 15A residential grade devices and on receptacles, single pole and 3 way switches.
I live in France and recently connected a large electric stove using 10mm2 (I don't know what that is in AWG) cable using heavy duty 'Wago' terminals. They looked very similar in operation to those Hubbell ones. Cheers!
Sounds like they work a lot Like WAGO connectors, I see how they would work good with stranded wire but I am old school and will always use side terminals unless the situation will not allow
@@BackyardMaine so yeah I’ve been doing electrical work since the 60s, heavy commercial, some industrial, all residential, everything from a doorbell to 480, every alarm type that’s ever been out there are fire burglary safes, lots of data telco systems everything, and Hubble has always been right up there with fantastic products same with pass and Seymour, I definitely would love to have a bunch of these for my wiring to be finished but on my budget I’ll never be able to afford them
John (or is it Jon?) I love your channel brother. Retired GC/Homebuilder here and I've wired hundreds of homes over the years. EdgeConnect is a great step forward- no doubt. And I'm not going to dispute that using the screw terminals is potentially a better connection than back-stabs. That's common sense. But did you realize that at least a big chunk (the Northeast at least) of the modular home industry (and I'm talking framed modulars.. not mobile homes - but those too ) use ONLY back-stabs? And in any plants I've toured (which are many throughout PA, NY, and on up into NE over the years) nobody was pig-tailing anything either. This has been a few years but the devices they were purchasing in bulk didn't even have screw terminal - only backstabs. Why? According to every plant manager I've talked to - Consistency and reliability. They're more monkey-proof (as long as the conductor is not nicked). Screw terminals are ALSO prone to problems, how many journeymen have you seen actually torquing those connections to spec? Almost nobody does. If you over-tighten the screw terminal (as many journeymen do), especially on 14ga wire, it will crush and fail at the screw. If you under-tighten the screw terminal, it can become intermittent and also fail. I'm not saying the back-stabs are perfect- far from it , but they are kind of idiot-proof. I typically never use them either - but the electrician I worked for on and off for 20 years DID, all the time. He was a really smart, careful guy and would not have done anything that caused him grief. He passed away a few years ago but his work ethic and standards has stuck with me throughout my own career. The only failures I've seen with back-stabs were caused by either a wire nicked when it was stripped (breaks off right at the surface of the device) OR they're being fed-through and consistently running that circuit at close to the tripping point weakens the device. This was particularly true 30 yrs ago with tons of incandescent recessed cans hauling on a $.39 light switch. Or a countertop circuit with a couple of coffeemakers on full-time would eventually fry a cheap duplex device. There's a case that should always be pig-tailed IMO.
It's John and Thank You! I also appreciate your comment very much.. I spend most of my career in large industry but I used to wire homes on the side. I have never seen a modular home build or the receptacles without screw connections..
Yes, but it's called the Leviton Decora Edge. The push click done on the box is there to illustrate how easy it is to use. I made some videos about these as well.
I don’t know about these i got my free sample and I didn’t have to use too much force to pull the wire out after clamping it down thank you for your video but i think im just gonna stick to J hooks
Thank you for this video! I can confirm very bad experiences with "quick connect / backstab" connections. Often they fail over time. This new receptacle looks really well designed. However, if they are overly costly, electricians won't buy them. So, I hope they are priced to buy!
Looking for the gfci, as my older home has many outlets with no ground connect, even though the plugs are three-prong. Went to get a couple, but I don't trust electrical devices made 'overseas' if you know what I mean...
Looks neat. What I say about standard backstab/quickwire connections: They allow people who don't know what they are doing to make poor connections... I am surprised they are still allowed after all these years...?
@Radioman. I have a new link in the pinned comment and I'll have it in the description as well in a few minutes. I contacted Hubbell and they have informed me that the email issue has been corrected with this new link. Sorry for the mix up.
I have a new link in the pinned comment and I'll have it in the description as well in a few minutes. I contacted Hubbell and they have informed me that the email issue has been corrected with this new link. Sorry for the mix up.
just saw a new outlet type in a hospital build. U connect a prewired plug in the j box then plug that into the outlet. Couldn't get much info on it as it was the first time the sparky had seen it as well.
Lever nuts are great! People don't realize that the lever just opens the spring, so the strength of the hold isn't based on the lever or your insertion force.
Any idea how much these cost? I'm in the planning stages of building a house, I'd like to be able to discuss them with my builder, but I'd like to know the rough cost estimate to avoid getting overcharged (if I decide to go with them). I suspect, given how new they are, there will be a lot of pushback.
These are brand new to the market so I'm not sure what the price and availability is in your area. Maybe make a call to your local supple house and ask them.
The connection seems to be good, but if you have a receptacle where you have 1/going to a switch for a lamp and the other 1/2 as a receptacle from a nother circuit, what do you do for that ? You may have talked about it in this video, but I couldn't see where you put the 2nd wire(s). It would be great if you made a video on the subject.
Yes I covered that. Theres a bridge you break off to split the receptacle and then you would have one side connected to power and the other side connected to the switch.
With all the smart switches and outlets out there now they need to overhaul standards and make switch "modules" with a recessed box that you wire into the gang box once. The switch module would click into the box and make electrical contact. That way to "upgrade" a switch you just pull the old module out and pop a new one in. Quick and easy without messing around with any wiring at all! Probably just a pipe dream though since that would require a lot of changes to manufacturing standards and electrical codes.
I don't think so. The spring is not part of the current path. It presses up against the contact point. I think devices should be replaced about every 30 years and I'm confident that these will last that long or more.
There is but it's limited to just a few options and only on 15A devices. I have never liked the stabs either but this new design from Hubbell is awesome.
these are the same connection design as wagos. not sure if the patent has expired, the design is licensed, or it's just made anough different to get away with it.
@@BackyardMaine they look like the same connection as every wago product I've ever seen. spring holding the conductor against the inside of a horseshoe shaped contact, and a lever overcoming the strength of the spring to insert or remove the conductor. in this case, I guess, it's a wedge applying and releasing the spring, so that makes it enough different to not need to license it, but functionally, it is the same.
How's she goin'? These sure look like decent receptacles eh. It looks like a much better push connection and that'll make all the difference. Thanks for sharing and take 'er easy!!
I have a new link in the pinned comment and I'll have it in the description as well in a few minutes. I contacted Hubbell and they have informed me that the email issue has been corrected with this new link. Sorry for the mix up.
I have a new link in the pinned comment and I'll have it in the description as well in a few minutes. I contacted Hubbell and they have informed me that the email issue has been corrected with this new link. Sorry for the mix up.
They may be a bit more intuitive but they are only offered in residential grade 15A devices. Plus only receptacles, single poles and 3-ways and only DECORA style. Maybe they will expand in the future.
@@BackyardMaine I happen to prefer Decora, but I get your point. At least their 15-amp outlet is rated for both 14 and 12 gauge wire. I’ve written them a note asking if they plan to expand their line. I’ll let you know if they respond positively.
I have a new link in the pinned comment and I'll have it in the description as well in a few minutes. I contacted Hubbell and they have informed me that the email issue has been corrected with this new link. Sorry for the mix up.
in-wall wiring really needs a standardized crimped and keyed connector holding all the wire connections together that let's outlets and switches just plug and play without needing any tools.
You will have to check your local supplier for price but I believe they will be priced inline with other commercial grade devices. The connection is solid, much better than I was expecting. I think the back wire connections are a great option as well. I believe these are being marketed as a time/money saver because of how fast they are to install with the same reliability as their back wire devices.
I have a new link in the pinned comment and I'll have it in the description as well in a few minutes. I contacted Hubbell and they have informed me that the email issue has been corrected with this new link. Sorry for the mix up.
I'm more than happy for things to move forward and easy install; but just a little nitpick. both current stab connect and the new Edge Connect are working off of "spring tension". Mind you, the stab is a pretty awful spring, but it's there.
True but the stab connections is not spring steel. That’s why they are one use only. The edge connect uses a separate actual spring used to apply pressure to a separate conductive surface.
Hi Guys... Here's a new link that should accept your email address for a free sample. There was an issue with the link I provided but I believe Hubbell has it worked out now. So sorry for the confusion on this. www.hubbell.com/wiringdevice-kellems/en/edge-connect?HES-WDK_EdgeConnect-2024&.9&
So basically a WAGO, Built into the device, this is a long time coming but it’s necessary, skills have gone down and stupid exists everywhere
Made in communist china.. hard pass on that junk..
I don’t think they worked out the problem
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I’ve never seen this channel. It’s great. No clowning around, no stupid music, just good information.
Thank you..
100% agree
Couldnt agree more why You Tubers think that they need some kind of intro or cut to short clips from other things like movies or shows is beyond me
I just found it last night and have watched a lot of his videos. Really like it!
I have done major remodels on 2 house's and am working on a third. One of the first things I do is replace all the cheap "builder grade" outlets and switches with high quality commercial grade ones. Thanks for the video. Like your presentation style. Subscribed.
Thanks for sharing and welcome to the channel. 👍
I recently upgraded the top floor of my house with commercial grade side wire outlets, what a difference. I'll try one of these and see how they work. Love your USAF hat (1969-1973)
Awesome, thank you and thanks for your service. I was stationed at McClellan AFB in Sacramento CA. from 1984-1988. I love the hat too. 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Haha, I’m surprised it took this long. This has been in the automation and controls field via terminal blocks for decades. Happy to see outlets are adopting it! I have had very few issues with the hundreds of thousands of wires I’ve installed in similar mechanisms.
Phoenix Contact employee here, came to say this, glad someone already did lol
@@thatclintguy Ayy, love you guys! I made my companies standard parts stock almost all phoenix contact. Y'all have a solution for everything, even super weird, 1 off solutions I've run into.
@@nolansprojects2840 and we love our customers! Definitely a lot of awesome if not obscure solutions in our portfolio haha
Product demo videos from professionals are a guy's best friend. Thanks for this excellent review.
It was my pleasure. Thanks for watching,
This is the first time I have seen one of your videos. How refreshing to see another professional electrician telling it like it is. Although I am now retired I spent 50+ years doing troubleshooting and repair as well as new installations. Most of my work in later years was commercial and industrial. I spent a number of years doing residential repair and remodel and always recommended to my customers that they would benefit from using commercial grade outlets and switches even if they did cost more. Thank You Again. P.S. I started out in Los Angeles City and County which always had stricter electrical codes than national, like outlet orientation.
Awesome thank you and thanks for sharing your story. I started my electrical career out in Sacramento CA as an Air-Force electrician. I'm retired now as well.
Hubbel makes terrific connectors, etc. A quality company.
True.. If its Hubbell it's a high end product.
If the Hubbell name wasn’t on there I would have shrugged it off as a gimmick.
It's now made in china.. why support the ccp?
It's chinese made junk...
Edit: Hubbell makes terrible connectors etc. A low quality company.
Hey John, fellow Air Force. I served 66-70 Jet engine repair, I like Your site, keep it up. Thank You!
Thank you my friend and thanks for your service as well. 🇺🇸🇺🇸 I was an CE electrician out at McClellan AFB in Sacramento CA 1984-1988.
Hey John. Current AD AF mustang here. Learning alot from your videos! Keep it up!
72-76 Chinese and Arabic linguist.
Wago cage clamp technology. I`ve used it for years in industrial machine controls. Extremely reliable connections!
First saw Wago connectors years ago on a transmission control module that vibrated like crazy, They worked a treat and never failed in very difficult service, good product and it has been in designs for about 40 years. Great product design
AMEN! Now we need to get standardized screws for everything. Cover plates, receptacles, switches etc.
Hey John, I just got this video in my feed, and it is the first time I have seen one of your videos. Very informative and I appreciate the the concise format. Too many 'tubers' seem to think entertainment is as important as the information. That's fine for a lot of stuff, but for DIY stuff, I prefer the format you use here. Thanks.
Awesome, thank you! I try to keep to the facts for the most part.
I still like the back wire under screw terminals on commercial grade receptacles the best. it is very secure and foolproof I see people mess up wire nuts and hooks around screws, but a strait wire under a screw clamp is hard to mess up.
Ya the back wire commercial clamp ones are still my favorite. Very robust feeling, easy and secure.
Exactly. I asked weeks ago what these fancy Hubbell outlets cost and, no surprise, got a vague answer. I have never liked the bottom-barrel homeowner grade outlets and their wrap-around-the-screw connections. The commercial grade outlets are a solid compromise and take barely more time to wire than these Hubbells. It is hard to imagine that they would save enough time to justify what is surely a lot higher price.
@@thardyryll They might only save enough time in areas with very expensive labor. Being in the NYC area even a small amount of time savings add up to a lot.
I am a Building Official and do the inspections for our county. Your videos are great and we'll spoke. Good job!
Thank you so much.
My policy is always listen to the people that fix and work with the products everyday. Thank you for your very informative and straight forward approach to your videos. So many of the channels I follow seem to be posting videos just for the sake of getting something out there.
Thank you..
Now questioning socket and switch replacements/upgrades I did many years ago in my home. I know I used backstabs in some instances, just can't remember where at this point. Thanks for the good information. Hubbell makes great stuff.
Thanks for sharing
I’ve been replacing all of the outlets and switches in a house my wife and I bought a few months ago. Almost all of the wiring was done with the quick connects, including daisy chaining to the next outlet. I did find some outlets that were using quick connects on 12 gauge wire! They were marked as being able to use either 14 or 12 in the quick connect. Some outlets had the quick connects so loose that the wires just fell out when I pulled the outlet out of the box.
The quick connects used to be offered on 20A devices but due to the high failure rates they are only offered on 15A devices now. This new connection by Hubbell is quite different and so much better.
They were only a problem when #12 was used. I’ve never found #14 causing the old outlets to fail on the back stabs. No one ever makes this distinction.
@@1337farm I had several outlets that only used #14 have the wires falling out when I pulled them out of the boxes. Of course, these were probably originally installed about 30 years ago.
In any case I've been replacing them all with heavy duty receptacles using back wiring and daisy chaining with Wagos and pigtails instead of going through the receptacle.
@@1337farm I have found countless issues with the 14AWG as well.
Great info. Was unaware of this new product. I NEVER use residential stuff. Thanks for the content.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
THIS IS VERY EDUCATIONAL
I'm enjoying your vids very much - thx for posting.
I agree about residential grade outlets. I don't use them either. But you said the back stab are one time use. All the ones I've seen have a rectangular slot that you can put a small flat head screwdriver in and depress the tang to release the wire. The one you showed had that. 🤷
Yes they have that to disconnect the wire but once you do you cannot use the stab again. You can still use the side terminals. All backstab receptacles no matter the manufacture are listed as one time use only. It's in the literature and most also have it printed on the back of the device. The reasoning behind it is when you push a small screwdriver into the slot to release the wire you're bending up the metal tab that secures the wire. The wire will be loose after that and fail very quickly.
John - just ran across your channel today and subscribed. Like other commenters have noted, I also like your straightforward presentation - great zoomed in shots on your B-roll as well. And as an electrical engineer in the commercial/industrial industry for decades like yourself, I find it refreshing to see that companies are still trying to improve upon products that have been around for a long time - even something as "simple" or "common" as a duplex receptacle. Cheers!
Awesome, thank you! I was an industrial electrician for most of my career but I spent my last ten years as the senior electrical engineer for a Texas Instruments FAB here in southern Maine. I'm retired now and started fooling around with making videos and it's now becoming more than just a hobby. lol
You should have done a comparison by attaching the 25 lb plate to a regular push connector for people less familiar with the devices.
And a standard screw connection
Sounds like a good option for homes built in the 80s with cooper clad aluminum wiring which I understand is a thicker gauge and brittle. Thanks for the tip!
I believe these are only rated for copper wire.
yes they Copper only @@BackyardMaine
John, thanks for the thorough review / endorsement of the HBL EdgeConnect product.
You bet! Glad it was helpful.
Just received my free sample, thanks, I think I will be replacing my 12 year old house receptacles with this Hubble Edge Connect.
Very cool..
This is a improvement over the residential outlet. I think that the contractor grade side wire is a better way to go.
When you use the side wire or back stab the newer version the wire is held between 2 solid plates and contact is along the full length of the wire. just like side wire screw holds contact on Bothe sides all along the wire. spring loading gives up its hold when it gets hot.
Very cool. I love all your content, John. I think I would have liked to have been an electrician. Maybe in my next life 🤣
Thank you Ed.. I appreciate that my friend and I love your content as well. You are a natural on camera and always interesting content. I'm finally getting some traction on my long form electrical content. I was kind of stuck in a shorts trap for a while.
Interesting. The contact mechanism in these actually looks very similar to what's inside WAGO connectors (just a bit larger, presumably to accommodate larger wire, with a slightly different lever mechanism)...
My favorite for the past 15 years or so have been Hubbell Snap connect. A little pricey due to the connectors but once installed, a breeze to replace.
I'm impressed.
My wife and I lived in a mobile home when we were first married. It was a very nice little house, the previous owner had even installed a pitched roof and insulated it. The one thing they didn't do, however, was update the wiring. I had a receptacle catch fire one night. I was lucky as i witnessed it happen and took care of it quickly. The trailer was wired with aluminum wire and used the back stabs on the receptacles. That is a bad combination! I love the look of these new receptacles. I will be giving them a try!
I've heard a lot of horror stories about mobile home wiring but I have never actually worked on one myself. The stab connections are rated for solid core copper wire only on the old back stabs. I'm glad you were able to take care of the fire quickly.
I would put money on the fact that those devices were not listed for use with AL wire. It wasn't jut the backstab-the whole thing was probably suffering the corrosion that occurs between dissimilar metals. That turns your outlet into a heating coil in the wall. Thank God that fire didn't happen in the middle of the night.
@HBSuccess
Amen! I don't think there were many safety protocols while building mobile homes in the 70's.
That's what I was thinking too. I think all backstabs are rated for copper only. Code violation.
Thanks for the Hubbell link.
I have a new link in the pinned comment and I'll have it in the description as well in a few minutes. I contacted Hubbell and they have informed me that the email issue has been corrected with this new link. Sorry for the mix up.
Hi Guys.. Here's the link to get your free sample of the Hubbell Edge Connect. www.hubbell.com/wiringdevice-kellems/en/edge-connect?HES-WDK_EdgeConnect-2024&.3&
Free Sample request requires a "company" email address, not a common personal one.
So much for my consulting business testing.
@jepomer
Thank you Hubbell.
The page for a "free sample" does NOT accept gmail addresses. I guess they think only people with company email ever re-wire anything.
@@disqusrubbish5467 Im looking into this but I haven't hard back yet. I'll pin a comment when I figure it out.
@@jepomer I have a new link in the pinned comment and I'll have it in the description as well in a few minutes. I contacted Hubbell and they have informed me that the email issue has been corrected with this new link. Sorry for the mix up.
I know you’re plugging the Hubbell with this video, but you could have mentioned your previous Leviton video. I’ve used the Leviton and so far I’m very happy with them.i did just fill out the Hubbell sample form.
Thanks for your videos.
The was a paid partnership so I cannot mention other brands.
These look like spring connections in terminal blocks. Nice to have a lever though instead of stabbing in a screwdriver or “designated tool per the manufacturer”.
Great video can wait till available. I too use commercial grade when I can. Keep up great videos
Will do.. Thanks for watching!
Haven’t tried the Hubbles, but have tried Leviton Edge wego style lever connections. From watching your video, I prefer the lever style. No tools needed for making or breaking the connections.
One thing I don't like about the Decora Edge is it's only offered in 15A residential grade devices, only in decora, and limited to duplex receptacles, single pole switches and 3-way switches. Maybe they will expand in the future?
I’ve been using the Leviton Edge product
This ensures a color match for the Leviton wall plate as well
These are similar but a much tougher design and higher end device overall. One thing I don't like about the Decora Edge is it's only offered in 15A residential grade devices, only in decora, and limited to duplex receptacles, single pole switches and 3-way switches. Maybe they will expand in the future?
I'm more impressed with your tool bench. I gotta build one like that!
We had so much humidity this past summer (my shop is in a half daylight basement with a garage door) that I ended up with mold. I treated my work bench and shelving four times to kill it and it kept coming back. I finally took everything apart, burned it and build new. I do like the bench as well.
How does that hold up compared to the Leviton Edge series devices that use a lever action to secure the wire? Similar to Wago connections, but built into the device.
Those are pretty good as well. One thing I don't like about the Decora Edge is it's only offered in 15A residential grade devices, only in decora, and limited to duplex receptacles, single pole switches and 3-way switches. Maybe they will expand in the future but for now I prefer these.
ive had hubble outlets break in half with little use. i wont use them no more. im replacing everything with leviton commercial
I like your video on these products. I’m retired from electronics and telecommunications( mainly RF) tech jobs most of my work career. I always think of a wire size in an AGC glass fuse when I look at a connection. The push in connections on the outlets and switches never passed the 15 amp + safety factor. I’m getting ready to buy a bunch of outlets and switches on a duplex I’m building and will check this new type out.
We used a lot of big stranded wire where I worked. The last place was a gateway earth station and our DC load for 48v was 1400 amps. I did 15 years doing communications work on the Alaska pipeline before that. We did that with both fiber optic and mountain top microwave. I lived in Maine once.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing. I'm not originally from Maine but I've lived here since 1994.
@@BackyardMaine I was stationed in Brunswick 72-75. I had a great time doing things like canoeing the Allagash, skiing Sunday River and Lost Valley and riding a 350 Honda around with friends that also had them.
Neato! Along with Wago lever nuts, I can see huge improvements in safety and time savings.
Great point!
There will never be anything better than torquing down a screw for me.
100% agree when I'm doing the torqueing, but the perspective changes when you pay people to torque screws! 🙃
I still think the J hook method is better due to the increased surface area of the connection. Can you spin the wire when connected to the Hubbell?
I like the J hooks and back wiring on commercial grade as well but these are really decent and a huge improvement. I didn't try to spin the wire so I'm not sure. I'll check when I go back out to the shop. Im going to do more testing including load testing on these so stay tuned.
Thank you for sharing. I am going to try one of the new receptacles.
I don’t think you’ll be disappointed.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge
My pleasure
Looks like a good advance from the traditional side terminals. When I started in the trade back in 1966 we were just seeing grounded receptacles. When plastic boxes came along in the late 60’s one of my trade school teachers said they were not good. I asked what was wrong with a device box that was non conductive? Crickets. 😮
People tend to resist change even when it's for the better.
The stab devices are trouble as are the indivisual connectors made similar for wires.
Manufacturers have torqe specs, how do you achieve a good safe connection with them? You can spin the wire once inserted. How is that a connection and what's the torque? This new device connection looks good.
Thanks for the update!
Hello and thank you for sharing I really appreciate the video
My pleasure.
I tried the Leviton edge, and they were okay, except the drywall ear system was designed for oversized plates.
The oversize portion can be snapped off.
That extra piece can be snapped right off. One thing I don't like about the Decora Edge is it's only offered in 15A residential grade devices, only in decora, and limited to duplex receptacles, single pole switches and 3-way switches. Maybe they will expand in the future?
@BackyardMaine I'm pretty sure they are targeted at the manufactured home industry. But deleting one tool from the installation process isn't a benefit if they just add a different tool to the process, as far as I'm concerned.
@@BackyardMaine I'm sure that if these prove to be popular that they will extend the system across the rest of the decora line. Not sure about the "traditional" line, as those outlets and switches are typically priced at under $1 and it probably wouldn't be cost effective to upgrade them.
Thanks for a great presentation
My pleasure.
I've installed one Leviton Decora Edge receptacle at home and it works even more easily than the Hubbell Edge Connect in that it is completely tool-less for both insertion and removal of the wire. As a counterpoint, I have some experience wiring outlets in the Philippines, and they use screw-clamp terminals there which work very well.
I like the Leviton decora edge as well (I made a video on them also) the only issue is they are limited to 15A residential grade devices and on receptacles, single pole and 3 way switches.
I live in France and recently connected a large electric stove using 10mm2 (I don't know what that is in AWG) cable using heavy duty 'Wago' terminals. They looked very similar in operation to those Hubbell ones. Cheers!
That is 8 AWG. It’s rated up to 55 Amperes.
Sounds like they work a lot Like WAGO connectors, I see how they would work good with stranded wire but I am old school and will always use side terminals unless the situation will not allow
Very cool, this is a great channel by the way, so basically a WAGO connector built into the device which is awesome
Pretty much! Thanks for watching
@@BackyardMaine so yeah I’ve been doing electrical work since the 60s, heavy commercial, some industrial, all residential, everything from a doorbell to 480, every alarm type that’s ever been out there are fire burglary safes, lots of data telco systems everything, and Hubble has always been right up there with fantastic products same with pass and Seymour, I definitely would love to have a bunch of these for my wiring to be finished but on my budget I’ll never be able to afford them
John (or is it Jon?) I love your channel brother. Retired GC/Homebuilder here and I've wired hundreds of homes over the years. EdgeConnect is a great step forward- no doubt. And I'm not going to dispute that using the screw terminals is potentially a better connection than back-stabs. That's common sense. But did you realize that at least a big chunk (the Northeast at least) of the modular home industry (and I'm talking framed modulars.. not mobile homes - but those too ) use ONLY back-stabs? And in any plants I've toured (which are many throughout PA, NY, and on up into NE over the years) nobody was pig-tailing anything either. This has been a few years but the devices they were purchasing in bulk didn't even have screw terminal - only backstabs. Why? According to every plant manager I've talked to - Consistency and reliability. They're more monkey-proof (as long as the conductor is not nicked). Screw terminals are ALSO prone to problems, how many journeymen have you seen actually torquing those connections to spec? Almost nobody does. If you over-tighten the screw terminal (as many journeymen do), especially on 14ga wire, it will crush and fail at the screw. If you under-tighten the screw terminal, it can become intermittent and also fail. I'm not saying the back-stabs are perfect- far from it , but they are kind of idiot-proof. I typically never use them either - but the electrician I worked for on and off for 20 years DID, all the time. He was a really smart, careful guy and would not have done anything that caused him grief. He passed away a few years ago but his work ethic and standards has stuck with me throughout my own career. The only failures I've seen with back-stabs were caused by either a wire nicked when it was stripped (breaks off right at the surface of the device) OR they're being fed-through and consistently running that circuit at close to the tripping point weakens the device. This was particularly true 30 yrs ago with tons of incandescent recessed cans hauling on a $.39 light switch. Or a countertop circuit with a couple of coffeemakers on full-time would eventually fry a cheap duplex device. There's a case that should always be pig-tailed IMO.
It's John and Thank You! I also appreciate your comment very much.. I spend most of my career in large industry but I used to wire homes on the side. I have never seen a modular home build or the receptacles without screw connections..
Leviton also makes a similar outlet called "Push Click Done." It uses similar technology to Wago connectors. You should add this device to your video.
Yes, but it's called the Leviton Decora Edge. The push click done on the box is there to illustrate how easy it is to use. I made some videos about these as well.
This receptacle is a revolution like the A Model was to the T model.
I don’t know about these i got my free sample and I didn’t have to use too much force to pull the wire out after clamping it down thank you for your video but i think im just gonna stick to J hooks
Thank you for this video!
I can confirm very bad experiences with "quick connect / backstab" connections. Often they fail over time.
This new receptacle looks really well designed. However, if they are overly costly, electricians won't buy them. So, I hope they are priced to buy!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching..
An integrated wago. Neat!
Looking for the gfci, as my older home has many outlets with no ground connect, even though the plugs are three-prong. Went to get a couple, but I don't trust electrical devices made 'overseas' if you know what I mean...
Gotta check out the new snap lock backs decora.
Seems like they're worth a good look.
I was surprisingly pleased.
Great channel. Subscribed!
Welcome aboard! I really appreciate you being here.
About time some of the electrical hardware made it into the present millennium.
Looks neat. What I say about standard backstab/quickwire connections: They allow people who don't know what they are doing to make poor connections... I am surprised they are still allowed after all these years...?
What is the temperature rise when operating at max load?
I’ll have to run a test comparison between these and other connection options. That will make interesting video.
As I do upgrades I’ll go with the industrial connector
Hey nice product Hubbell.
I couldn’t get a sample because it wouldn’t except my AOL email that’s only one I have
That’s rotten
I just checked and there appears to be a problem. I couldn't get any address to take either. I'll check with Hubbell
@Radioman. I have a new link in the pinned comment and I'll have it in the description as well in a few minutes. I contacted Hubbell and they have informed me that the email issue has been corrected with this new link. Sorry for the mix up.
I have a new link in the pinned comment and I'll have it in the description as well in a few minutes. I contacted Hubbell and they have informed me that the email issue has been corrected with this new link. Sorry for the mix up.
just saw a new outlet type in a hospital build. U connect a prewired plug in the j box then plug that into the outlet. Couldn't get much info on it as it was the first time the sparky had seen it as well.
What was the brand?
@@BackyardMaine dont know.
i did a search and found it's called PlugTail® Connectors
At 2:37. Do you have the red meter probe in the neutral side of the outlet? Isn’t the red probe meant to be used on the hot side of the circuit?
It doesn't matter when ready AC voltage.
Lever nuts are great! People don't realize that the lever just opens the spring, so the strength of the hold isn't based on the lever or your insertion force.
Are the free samples still available? I cant seem to figure out where to submit shipping info on the website.
Any idea how much these cost? I'm in the planning stages of building a house, I'd like to be able to discuss them with my builder, but I'd like to know the rough cost estimate to avoid getting overcharged (if I decide to go with them). I suspect, given how new they are, there will be a lot of pushback.
These are brand new to the market so I'm not sure what the price and availability is in your area. Maybe make a call to your local supple house and ask them.
They cost American jobs.. these are now made in china, putting more and more Americans out of work...
Have you compared with the Decora Edge from Leviton?
I have a video on them as well. Check it out.
These are slick
The connection seems to be good, but if you have a receptacle where you have 1/going to a switch for a lamp and the other 1/2 as a receptacle from a nother circuit, what do you do for that ? You may have talked about it in this video, but I couldn't see where you put the 2nd wire(s). It would be great if you made a video on the subject.
Yes I covered that. Theres a bridge you break off to split the receptacle and then you would have one side connected to power and the other side connected to the switch.
I wish a company would come out with these for aluminum wiring.
With all the smart switches and outlets out there now they need to overhaul standards and make switch "modules" with a recessed box that you wire into the gang box once. The switch module would click into the box and make electrical contact. That way to "upgrade" a switch you just pull the old module out and pop a new one in. Quick and easy without messing around with any wiring at all! Probably just a pipe dream though since that would require a lot of changes to manufacturing standards and electrical codes.
Power! ⚡️
But will the spring loose tension with heat
I don't think so. The spring is not part of the current path. It presses up against the contact point. I think devices should be replaced about every 30 years and I'm confident that these will last that long or more.
I'm not a professional but I have never trusted push in connections. Isn't there also a new outlet with wagu connections?
There is but it's limited to just a few options and only on 15A devices. I have never liked the stabs either but this new design from Hubbell is awesome.
these are the same connection design as wagos. not sure if the patent has expired, the design is licensed, or it's just made anough different to get away with it.
@@kenbrown2808 No they are different than the wago.
@@BackyardMaine they look like the same connection as every wago product I've ever seen. spring holding the conductor against the inside of a horseshoe shaped contact, and a lever overcoming the strength of the spring to insert or remove the conductor. in this case, I guess, it's a wedge applying and releasing the spring, so that makes it enough different to not need to license it, but functionally, it is the same.
@@kenbrown2808 Functionally they are the same but these have a lot more surface area.
How's she goin'? These sure look like decent receptacles eh. It looks like a much better push connection and that'll make all the difference. Thanks for sharing and take 'er easy!!
Thanks Mike and keep an eye out for those wild bologna running around your cabin..
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@@BackyardMaine
Would love to try the sample receptacle, but Hubbell’s form doesn’t allow email addresses from Gmail!
I have a message in to the brand to figure out what's going on there. I'll add a pinned comment if we get it resolved.
I have a new link in the pinned comment and I'll have it in the description as well in a few minutes. I contacted Hubbell and they have informed me that the email issue has been corrected with this new link. Sorry for the mix up.
WAY better!👍👍👍
They are nice..
FYI, just tried to request a sample, but form does not recognize Gmail or AOL email addresses.
I’ll have to ask Hubbell about that. I pin a comment with an update when I have one.
@@BackyardMaine Thank you!
I have a new link in the pinned comment and I'll have it in the description as well in a few minutes. I contacted Hubbell and they have informed me that the email issue has been corrected with this new link. Sorry for the mix up.
@@BackyardMaine Thank you for the update. I was able to use the link to request a sample of the receptacle. Anxious to see it in person.
@@sjpropertyservices3987 Thats awesome. Thanks for your patients.
This is a good step forward. Now if they had only made the connections angled up and down to facilitate bending the wires to stuff them into the box.
I really like the promised range of their products (I.e., 20 amp, GFCI, etc), but I think I prefer the clamping design of the Leviton Edge.
They may be a bit more intuitive but they are only offered in residential grade 15A devices. Plus only receptacles, single poles and 3-ways and only DECORA style. Maybe they will expand in the future.
@@BackyardMaine I happen to prefer Decora, but I get your point. At least their 15-amp outlet is rated for both 14 and 12 gauge wire. I’ve written them a note asking if they plan to expand their line. I’ll let you know if they respond positively.
Trying get the sample but the form doesn’t allow Verizon or Juno emails ?
Bummer. I'll try to find out about that..
I have a new link in the pinned comment and I'll have it in the description as well in a few minutes. I contacted Hubbell and they have informed me that the email issue has been corrected with this new link. Sorry for the mix up.
@@BackyardMaine thanks!!!!
John, try this with your alpha / numeric pad.AMP A10 1DTP. Jerry
That hubbell site seems to have a layout issue.. But yeah, screw terminals can be a pain.. Doesnt look too bad
Site apparently got fixed lol, yay
in-wall wiring really needs a standardized crimped and keyed connector holding all the wire connections together that let's outlets and switches just plug and play without needing any tools.
I don’t see that happening in the near future
How do they compare to back wire? Does the wire twist after connected like stab connections? Price compared to back wire?
You will have to check your local supplier for price but I believe they will be priced inline with other commercial grade devices. The connection is solid, much better than I was expecting. I think the back wire connections are a great option as well. I believe these are being marketed as a time/money saver because of how fast they are to install with the same reliability as their back wire devices.
how are these different than WAGO connections
The concept is similar but the connection is different.
Is the free sample Canada only?
These were available to US addresses, but I'm not sure its it's still available. I posted this video about a year ago.
I tried to get a sample and it won't take a Gmail or yahoo email address.bummer I wanted to try one for my handyman business
Really? sorry about that... I'll ask the brand and see what's going on.
real businesses dont use those emails. lol
@@SgtJoeSmith I guess not
I have a new link in the pinned comment and I'll have it in the description as well in a few minutes. I contacted Hubbell and they have informed me that the email issue has been corrected with this new link. Sorry for the mix up.
@@BackyardMaine thank you
I'm more than happy for things to move forward and easy install; but just a little nitpick. both current stab connect and the new Edge Connect are working off of "spring tension". Mind you, the stab is a pretty awful spring, but it's there.
True but the stab connections is not spring steel. That’s why they are one use only. The edge connect uses a separate actual spring used to apply pressure to a separate conductive surface.