Natural Strength Standards for Hypertrophy

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  • Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
  • How do you measure up?
    CHEST
    Bench Press (5 reps):
    Min: 60kg (135lbs) S: 100kg (225lbs) Max: 140kg (315lb)
    Dips (10 reps):
    Min: Body weight S: 40kg (88lbs) Max: 80kg (176lbs)
    SHOULDERS
    Overhead barbell press (5 reps)
    Min: 40kg (88lbs) S: 60kg (135lbs) Max: 80kg (176lbs)
    Lateral raises (20 reps)
    Min: 10kg (22lbs) S: 15kg (33lbs) Max: 20kg (44lbs)
    QUADS
    Back Squat (10 reps)
    Min: 80kg (176lbs) S: 120kg (265lbs) Max: 160kg (353lbs)
    Front Squat (5 reps)
    Min: 60kg (135lbs) S: 100kg (220lbs) Max: 140kg (310lbs)
    BICEPS
    Barbell Curl (10 reps):
    Min: 30kg (66lb) S: 45kg (99lbs) Max: 60kg (135lbs)
    Incline Dumbbell Curl (10 reps)
    Min: 10kg (22lbs) S: 15kg (33lbs) Max: 20kg (44lbs)
    LATS
    Pullup/Chinup (5 reps)
    Min: Body weight S: 30kg (66lbs) Max: 60kg (135lbs)
    Dumbbell Pullover (10 reps)
    Min: 30kg (66lbs) S: 45kg (99lbs) Max 60kg (135lbs)
    TRICEPS
    Skullcrushers/Overhead Extensions (10 reps)
    Min: 20kg (44lbs) S: 40kg (88lbs) Max: 60kg (135lbs)
    Close Grip Bench Press (5 reps)
    Min: 40kg (88lbs) S: 80kg (176lbs) Max: 120kg (264lbs)
    HAMSTRINGS:
    Romanian Deadlift (10 reps)
    Min: 60kg (135lbs) S: 120kg (264lbs) Max 180kg (396lbs)
    Nordic Hamstring Curls:
    Min: 5 somewhat controlled eccentrics S: 5 controlled eccentrics and OK concentrics Max: 5 full reps
    TRAPS:
    Barbell Bent Over Row (10 reps)
    Min: 40-60kg (88lbs-135lbs) S: 80-100kg (176lb-225lbs) Max: 120kg-140kg (264lbs-315lbs)
    Shrugs: (10 reps)
    Min: 60kg (135lbs) S: 100kg (225lbs) Max: 140kg (315lbs)
    GLUTES:
    Hip Thrust (10 reps)
    Min: 60kg (135lbs) S: 120kg (264lbs) Max: 180kg (396lbs)
    Bulgarian Split Squat (10 reps)
    Min: Bodyweight S: 40kg (88lbs) Max: 80kg (176lbs)
    Timestamps:
    00:00 Greg Says Hello
    00:09 Geoff Says Hello
    00:28 Connection Between Size and Strength
    00:56 Usually...
    01:49 I Deal In Absolutes
    02:45 Minimum, Standard, Maximum
    03:51 Chest
    05:35 Shoulders
    06:33 Quads
    07:56 Biceps
    09:08 Lats
    10:21 Triceps
    10:57 Hamstrings
    12:26 Traps
    14:10 Glutes
    15:45 These Are General Numbers, Not Set in Stone
    Ladies cut upper body roughly in half, lower body to 2/3rds.
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  • @GVS
    @GVS  3 роки тому +128

    *Edit #1:* Description for full list (including kilograms AND pounds, didn't even occur to me that pounds was still a thing!)
    *Edit #2:* I think these are pretty much spot on, because some are saying they are too high, and others are saying they are too low. That's a good sign. However, the lateral raises are maybe a bit high, it's assuming slightly bent arms and a more natural style. If you do them incredibly strict and with fully straight arms (which I usually don't recommend but some might prefer) then maybe use 50-60% of these numbers.
    Yoink a copy of my book here:
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    Gives a passive +2 strength bonus after consumption.

    • @user-zk4dv2nx8k
      @user-zk4dv2nx8k 3 роки тому +2

      Hey , did you see MPMD's video on measures to reduce gyno ? Do u plan to take the compound?

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому +5

      @@user-zk4dv2nx8k I didn't see it. No plans of taking anything.

    • @Acidreflux18
      @Acidreflux18 3 роки тому

      How long does it take generally to reach each of these individual thresholds for a consistent natural lifter with average genetics?

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому +10

      @@Acidreflux18 A few months to a year for minimums, a few (2-5) years for standards and probably never for the maximums.

    • @emiledin2183
      @emiledin2183 3 роки тому

      @@GVS what kind of lateral raises are you referring to? the one who targets mostly rear delts or mostly traps? the dude u showed shrugged his traps so bad it was prob 50/50. makes a huge diff also on the weight depending on which u mean! also u prob meants the gluts at the squat part right? the hams do NOT turn into a primary muscle component in the SQUAT.

  • @sayakroy010
    @sayakroy010 3 роки тому +273

    You might find it weird but this is, in my opinion, one of the most informative and well awaited videos of your channel.
    keep these kind of videos coming, coach.

    • @marirsgaming463
      @marirsgaming463 3 роки тому +9

      I was gonna say the same, one of the biggest reality check lifting videos ive ever seen, and I watch way too many lifting videos so thats saying something

    • @alanjohnson6169
      @alanjohnson6169 2 роки тому +2

      Completely unrealistic standards for upper body 😂 he’s just basing it on his own strengths or weaknesses. 10 reps of 80kg dips is well above world class, that’s like what Olympic weightlifters are doing. I’ve seen about 5 people in my life doing 40kg dips in person, me being one of them, and I can only manage 7 reps.
      His squat standards are pathetic as well. 160kg for 10 is realistic for almost everyone. And his RDL’s are of a higher standard than the squat with his 180kg for 10 nonsense? Tf? I RDL 140 for 8 and I don’t see guys doing more than me in the gym, bearing in mind there’s guys pulling 250kg+ at my gym.

    • @FitFatFit
      @FitFatFit 2 роки тому

      @@alanjohnson6169 well as somebody who likes to train upper body more , it took me 3-4 months to get to +60kg dips 5*2 and 5*5 with 42kg after that
      I used to bench much more tho , before 3 years break :)
      I guess, I'll hit 80 before Christmas

    • @alanjohnson6169
      @alanjohnson6169 2 роки тому

      @@FitFatFit idgaf what you do for your pathetic range of motion bro. Nobody is doing 60kg with actual ROM after 3 months. Clown.

    • @yacobz
      @yacobz Рік тому +3

      @@alanjohnson6169 yeah I had the same impression from this. There's just too much "trust me bro" coming from these numbers to take it seriously

  • @fl676
    @fl676 3 роки тому +322

    Finally real world 🌎 gym standards and not youtube standards. I’m tired of elite natural and unnatural lifters hitting big lifts calling themselves average cuz they compare themselves to world record holders in reality they are elite compared to normal gym lifters but say buy my programs u can lift like me cuz I’m average 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @BaldOmniMan
      @BaldOmniMan 3 роки тому +20

      Have you put in 10-15 years in the gym? That’s how long it takes guys to reach numbers that you think are “elite”.

    • @BaldOmniMan
      @BaldOmniMan 3 роки тому +37

      Guys comment on “what people won’t reach” and it tells me they are speaking in terms of the short term. Like 1-5 years.
      In that case, I agree.
      But long term? If someone trained properly for 10-15 years, they would crush all the strength standards in this vid.

    • @fl676
      @fl676 3 роки тому +13

      @@BaldOmniMan yes I know everyone can bench 350lb weighing under 200lbs.
      You heard Geoffrey most won’t hit even 315.

    • @BaldOmniMan
      @BaldOmniMan 3 роки тому +37

      Again, respectfully, if you haven’t trained for 10-15 years (which strong naturals like Alex, Omar isuf, myself etc have) then you can’t comment on what’s not possible for an average guy in the long term.
      Short term, (5 years is short term) yeah, most people won’t bench 350 in that time frame.

    • @fl676
      @fl676 3 роки тому +9

      @@BaldOmniMan respectfully Geoffrey video agrees with me
      Most gyms guys won’t hit 3plates and most will try to hit 2 plates. He is a UA-camr influencer and trained for 10 years and agrees with me
      so take it up with him . 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @noelmannion4433
    @noelmannion4433 3 роки тому +44

    Thank you for this video. Another video that’s practical, realistic and BS free 👍

  • @NoodleArmsFitness
    @NoodleArmsFitness 3 роки тому +50

    The online world warps people's perceptions I worked in gym as a trainer in an average chain for a year and I only ever saw 3 people bench over 3 plates and one was open about his steroid usage.

  • @therobustmole1137
    @therobustmole1137 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks for this, I'll be using this information to track my progress, I feel like this has actually given me a goal.

  • @astr8shot826
    @astr8shot826 Рік тому +1

    Just started my gym journey and i am glad i came across your vid...now i have goals to aim for..thank you

  • @timammann
    @timammann 2 роки тому +1

    Fantastic video, agree with most of your standards! Keep it up

  • @harshivmahajan5311
    @harshivmahajan5311 3 роки тому +25

    Really love the video format of min, standard and max. I understand people saying that strength standards can vary on a lot of things but these strength standards are good for finding out what to aspire for. Also as someone not aspiring to be a fitness model or fitness professional, the standard measures are a great addition. Just shy of standard on most of my lifts so know what to look forward to 😅

  • @inhatzulu
    @inhatzulu 2 роки тому +7

    With this video i realise how weak i am in some lifts!!I think technique plays also a huge role.Great video!

  • @ugbuga99
    @ugbuga99 3 роки тому +1

    This video was very helpful. Really puts things into perspective.

  • @krischanlive
    @krischanlive 2 роки тому +2

    Refreshing to find one of the very few calm, no bullshit, quality information channels. Cheers!

    • @GVS
      @GVS  2 роки тому +1

      Glad ya like the content, appreciate the feedback!

  • @philg3310
    @philg3310 2 роки тому

    Great video! Good to hear the standard level for the compound exercises to aim for.

  • @march.2588
    @march.2588 Рік тому

    Great video! Helps a lot as orientation. Thanks a lot for your content!

  • @Detvanliga
    @Detvanliga 3 роки тому

    Absolutely excellent subject, and delivery thereof.. :)
    .

  • @liamconverse8950
    @liamconverse8950 3 роки тому +2

    I like how you structured your standards. Very practical

  • @muscleguyphilippines
    @muscleguyphilippines 3 роки тому +2

    Hey zuppp its mr geoff uploading........😁.
    Been looking at strength standard charts for like a month now ,what a timely topic.

  • @denizeskin4345
    @denizeskin4345 Рік тому +2

    Very nice video, this is my 6th year into lifting and i am above standard besides biceps and i think these numbers are very reasonable. I personally think having longterm goals in your lifts are a gamechanger. Thank you for sharing this, you gave me a new motivation!

  • @reemobk6499
    @reemobk6499 Рік тому +2

    Enjoyed the video. For the most part it was a solid introduction to strength standards. It's hard to really pinpoint standards based on just weight ranges considering everyone is a different height weight and has different limb lengths and structure but what you have laid out is definitely a good indication. Weirdly enough I found myself being at a minimum for some lifts. Standard for most and a maximum for a select few. Just shows how much strength can vary. Will keep consuming your content Jeffrey

  • @b-rse
    @b-rse 3 роки тому +111

    I didn't know Slenderman's son was so good at deadlifting

  • @helbardvocalcovers5848
    @helbardvocalcovers5848 Рік тому +24

    Weakboi here, well below all the minimums so this video was a tough pill to swallow, but your channel has helped my training, mindset and goals so much since I started watching - gonna keep grinding and see what my body can do!

    • @jeromyedge6830
      @jeromyedge6830 Рік тому +10

      That's fine bro I've been in the gym years and haven't done some of these exercises despite being at the standard for some. We've all got room for improvement, and we're all gonna make it.

    • @miniweeddeerz1820
      @miniweeddeerz1820 6 місяців тому

      wya rn

    • @selektor2567
      @selektor2567 6 місяців тому

      excellent mindset

    • @majungasaurusaaaa
      @majungasaurusaaaa 4 місяці тому

      Enjoy your gym time and physique. The worst thing that can happen is you doing everything right but then quit because you can't measure up to some online standards.

    • @josephfoster1987
      @josephfoster1987 3 місяці тому

      I’m over a year in and floating around near his minimums for most lifts he mentioned. If you’re regularly lifting you’re doing fine

  • @carmcarm8230
    @carmcarm8230 3 роки тому +1

    Amazing great content!

  • @adrianpetkov8354
    @adrianpetkov8354 3 роки тому +5

    In the middle of your book, this a gem, training for 2y now and seeing this is like damn should have red it a while ago. Thank you!!

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому

      Happy it's helping :)

    • @adrianpetkov8354
      @adrianpetkov8354 3 роки тому

      Only wanted to ask if warm up sets should be counted to the overall weekly set volume, or only the working sets are supposed to be counted?

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому +1

      @@adrianpetkov8354 Just working sets. Warmups should all be pretty easy, so won't really be stressful enough to count.

  • @FitLabb
    @FitLabb 3 роки тому +92

    Generally agree there’s a correlation to strength & muscle size, but there are some exceptions both ways. 💪
    Really liked this video & agree the numbers on Min & Max for each movement.

    • @mounty6854
      @mounty6854 3 роки тому +1

      tall people... ? for midgets perhaps accurate... also some guys are strong as shit on high reps....

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому +19

      @@mounty6854 Thor holds the deadlift record, I'm not sure why you automatically think taller people are always weak.

    • @mounty6854
      @mounty6854 3 роки тому +6

      @@GVS thor had a discussion with the dutch giant (look at larry wheels video with the giant) they both agreed they started at a disadvantage but when at advanced level they can get ridicilously strong cause of more space for muscle... but i think you outrep them on any calisthenics any time....

    • @mounty6854
      @mounty6854 3 роки тому +1

      @@GVS and also steffi cohen is waaaaay stronger than thor she makes him look like he doesn't even lift

    • @rekik5889
      @rekik5889 2 роки тому

      Chest(benching)
      70kg

  • @jioryluis5229
    @jioryluis5229 2 роки тому +3

    I look like I lift but I'm under a few of the minimum numbers. I'll be aiming for the those and the standards now. I have a full gym at home and never see what others are (ego?) lifting. This channel is great, a perfect complement to Renaissance Periodization.

  • @GlancingCupid
    @GlancingCupid 3 роки тому

    Great video, I now have my targets for when gyms reopen 😈

  • @swarnavasarkar4360
    @swarnavasarkar4360 3 роки тому +1

    Great content as usual !

  • @117Haseo
    @117Haseo 3 роки тому

    I don't have much in the way of weights to use but all of these exercises will be helpful in strengthening my weak areas so thanks sir.

  • @samwatts3450
    @samwatts3450 3 роки тому +2

    Awesome video man. Becoming a bigger fan of the channel every day :) also buy the book everyone - it's great!

  • @cinnamonroll819
    @cinnamonroll819 3 роки тому +1

    Great vid 🍻

  • @adeelliftsstuff
    @adeelliftsstuff 3 роки тому +2

    Amazing channel. very underrated! Keep up the good work

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому +1

      Much appreciated!

  • @browsergameshub
    @browsergameshub 2 роки тому

    I love your videos, your channel, and your book. There, I had to say it.

  • @prasannakumarpradhan8537
    @prasannakumarpradhan8537 3 роки тому +2

    Channel going to fire 🌏🌏🌏

  • @shivpatel3502
    @shivpatel3502 3 роки тому +1

    As always,a great video and no B.S
    Might say that this is your best video! ( i know there arr more incoming )

  • @seanbrewer5294
    @seanbrewer5294 Рік тому

    A devilishly good video. I’ve got some work to do on my squat

  • @vaibhavchauhan9825
    @vaibhavchauhan9825 3 роки тому +7

    As a beginner, I thank you for providing some real world goals.now I have some clarity what to aim for.

  • @nimeshgoonerwardena6201
    @nimeshgoonerwardena6201 3 роки тому

    Great video man!

  • @Weizzey
    @Weizzey 3 роки тому

    Another great video!! 🤟🏻

  • @matthewbgordon
    @matthewbgordon 2 роки тому

    Good stuff - thanks! I guess i am going to have to learn the kilo to lb conversions.

    • @GVS
      @GVS  2 роки тому

      No prob. Description has conversions to lb.

  • @fl676
    @fl676 3 роки тому +50

    I agree with your Standards but everyone always tell me it’s to low and everyone can hit much bigger lifts if they train long enough in the comments 🤦🏻‍♂️ but they never post their lifts 🤷🏻‍♂️.
    UA-cam skews what normal gym standards are .

    • @Drengen10
      @Drengen10 3 роки тому +2

      And those you do see posting those videos are 1 in a million people :)

    • @fl676
      @fl676 3 роки тому

      @@Drengen10 Exactly and the ones who say they hit these big lifts in the comments never post their videos

    • @fl676
      @fl676 3 роки тому

      Geoffrey in His video was trying to be nice and not bring up body percentage and leave out alpha destiny Alex enkiri
      And Jeff Nipperd because their natural power lifters
      Those guys are way strong for their height and weight
      I personally agree with Geoffrey . standards
      When I go to the gym Not too many guys are throwing three plates on the bar for a bench that’s on UA-cam

    • @Drengen10
      @Drengen10 3 роки тому +4

      @@fl676 Yeah this video is spot on for strength standard/goals for the average joe. The squat maybe a bit on the high end but honestly super accurate :D

    • @CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy
      @CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy 2 роки тому

      Like he said in the video, strength and size have a correlation, but far from a direct one-to-one correlation. There are big guys who aren't that strong because they don't train heavy 1 rep maxes. Then there are relatively small guys who are very strong because they train purely for powerlifting with heavy weight and low reps.

  • @MahdiTohidi1
    @MahdiTohidi1 3 роки тому

    Nice vid bro, keep at it!

  • @brojelio1518
    @brojelio1518 Рік тому +1

    Good list. Hard to have a set standard that applies to everyone when there are so many variables to consider, such as limb/torso lengths, previous or current training focus (Ie. Bodybuilding vs powerlifting), etc.
    I'm between the standard and max, and though my numbers have fallen a bit due to the switch from powerlifting to bodybuilding, I'm lugging around more muscle than I ever have.

  • @Satarnoch
    @Satarnoch 3 роки тому +5

    Lost it at "more bounce for your ounce". Gotta subscribe I guess.
    Slowly my subscriptions are going from MPMD and greg to you Natural Hypertrophy, etc.

  • @thatboyunfazed99
    @thatboyunfazed99 2 роки тому +3

    Unbelievably important video, i was 1-2 years doing by your definition minimum numbers only since everyone in my local gym did these. Pretty jacked dudes „not even“ doing 2 plates a side so i thought thats the norm and i‘m already up there strenght wise with my 180 lbs bench lol.
    Then you go to youtube and apparently the whole comment sections are natural powerliftig phenoms doing 350+ lbs for reps. It‘s hysterical.
    However this is a imo very well chosen standard for strength. Equally challenging as it is motivating and realistic.
    Most don‘t even know where there potential is. Post lockdown i just racked up more weight as an experiment and was able to put on huge progress within months just by leaving the comfort zone and going for progressive hypertrophy. And with adding weights i could definitely see the correlation between strength and size. While i never had great genetics i visually packed muscle within months well over 5 years into my fitness journey.
    Long story short: great video

    • @witz8582
      @witz8582 Рік тому

      i find progressive overload so hard, what has helped you to progress ? I've been struggling to progress for the past 6 month even thought i kept being consistent and going to the gym with the same energy.

  • @kbflorida888
    @kbflorida888 Рік тому

    Geoffrey, I was born in 1961 and like your stuff. I can’t lift all those weights, even the minimums. But they’re goals. Thnx for being real , not many from my era were!

  • @ishaanivaturi2387
    @ishaanivaturi2387 3 роки тому +7

    Incredibly useful video, especially to me as a fresh beginner! For a lot of these lifts I wasn't really close to the minimum you listed, and I was wondering about an efficient progression to increase weight as well as how long it may take to get up to the minimum. Thanks again!

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому +5

      Hey it's hard to say for non clients, I'd say just a simple linear progression (adding weight to the bar when you can) is fine. When that stalls, try double progression (can search the channel for a video on it)

    • @ishaanivaturi2387
      @ishaanivaturi2387 3 роки тому +1

      @@GVS thanks so much, I'll look into that!

  • @createyourpattern2773
    @createyourpattern2773 3 роки тому

    Great vid

  • @roundsmail
    @roundsmail 3 роки тому

    Great content

  • @MonkeyBarsEveryday
    @MonkeyBarsEveryday 2 роки тому +3

    The 'good morning' edit during the squat part had me rolling

  • @hamza361
    @hamza361 8 місяців тому +1

    This is one of geoff's best videos

  • @frankg7786
    @frankg7786 Рік тому

    This was really interesting and a fun way to see how I compare. Looks like I have a lot of work to do!

  • @balakfnd1931
    @balakfnd1931 3 роки тому +3

    Ima note down some of these standards! 👍

  • @safenafe
    @safenafe 3 роки тому +1

    Nice video, hitting many of the standards for this so happy 🤣

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому +1

      Nice work!

  • @haowen8254
    @haowen8254 Рік тому

    Underrated👍🏻

  • @sourobhdas1235
    @sourobhdas1235 3 роки тому +13

    I remember Sean Nalewanyj mentioning once that for lateral raises, moderate weights should be used and he doesn't go beyond 20-25 pounds (around 9-10 kg). But you kept that as a minimum here. I think if you are doing controlled reps with proper form, that should be more like the standard weight. No ego lifting as far as shoulders are concerned. Saying this coz I use 7.5 kg for raises and felt helluva weak after your analysis. 😭

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому +15

      Yes that's fair. Can reduce slightly for straight arm, extremely strict reps. I feel much better with a slight arm bend which does impact the weights used. That might be my personal bias creeping in there.

  • @its_james_fitness
    @its_james_fitness 3 роки тому +13

    I think that these numbers are spot on and in line with what I have witnessed. I would be interested on your take on a straight leg good morning 10RM for hams? I think 40kg is the minimum, then 80kg then 100kg. Single leg hip thrusts would be a cool addition too

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому +5

      Somewhere around there.

  • @andrewmueller9986
    @andrewmueller9986 17 днів тому

    Wicked gainz bro

  • @lithox5100
    @lithox5100 Рік тому +43

    I am either at minimum (pullups and barbell rows) or close to minimum standards for all of the lifts after 2.5 months of Stronglifts5x5, looking forward to hitting minimum and then standard in the years to come 💪

    • @LOLI_
      @LOLI_ Рік тому +1

      You need to eat a lot to gain strength.

    • @AlmostStrongAlex
      @AlmostStrongAlex 9 місяців тому

      How has it Been going?

    • @lithox5100
      @lithox5100 9 місяців тому

      @@AlmostStrongAlex I have since moved my focus to hypertrophy/bodybuilding training and I am enjoying it much more, lifts haven't gone up by a whole lot, but I have hit "minimum" requirements for almost all lifts (most definitely cannot curl 30kg for 10 reps but I have added an arm day to remedy that)

    • @AlmostStrongAlex
      @AlmostStrongAlex 9 місяців тому

      @@lithox5100 sound good, ive also Been powerbuilding really focusing on growth but also with high Focus on progressive overload. Been loving it and nice to know your doing well!

  • @nealesmith1873
    @nealesmith1873 Рік тому

    Very good video! I agree with all numbers except the overhead press, which seemed a bit low.

  • @joojotin
    @joojotin 3 роки тому +1

    Damn that deadlift row was impressive!

  • @NoodleArmsFitness
    @NoodleArmsFitness 3 роки тому +1

    Great video. Some sets of standards I've referred back to in the past were a t nation article called know your ratios and an article by Joel jameison called are you as fit as flyweight which was aimed at am and pro fighters. I've found alot of times my biceps don't seem to respond as linearly with strength and size it's the only muscle I use measurements instead of strength standards to track progress.

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому +2

      Yea the know your ratios article is great.

  • @sergio1503
    @sergio1503 3 роки тому

    This stuff is top notch

  • @fl676
    @fl676 3 роки тому +10

    For the algorithm 💪🏻

  • @GodmyX
    @GodmyX 3 роки тому

    Very interesting! It seems I do well on the minima now :) (though there were lifts I don't do [now])

  • @MegaSolidninja
    @MegaSolidninja 3 роки тому +3

    I really like the way this is realistic and you're not coming on here saying something like "after 6 months of training it's normal to bench press 170kg being natural" like so many UA-camrs out there we know. However, I haven't even met the standard for the squat yet (112.5kg for 4 sets of 7 reps) I'm only aiming to maintain the strength cause I think my quads are huge (27.5 inches) and I don't want them any bigger.😄

  • @bondedcarbon
    @bondedcarbon 3 роки тому +9

    I thought these were pretty spot on overall, especially the 'standard'. I was around the standard on all of them, except for the bodyweight movements. I think 80kg for a set of 10 dips or 60kg for a set of 10 pullups may be significantly rarely than some of the other ones, but I could also be warped in my opinion of that by being a naturally heavier guy. We've all gotten warped by instagram and the fitness world on peoples numbers these days. I bet I could count the amount of people on my fingers here in Hong Kong that I've seen do a 225x5 set on bench in the past year. And half of those were likely on steroids. That's a quite good bench that sets you up with a solid base of muscle that looks crazy compared to most people if you're relatively lean. Same thing with other movements, how many people do we see doing sets of 10 with a 20kg plate on pullups?

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому +5

      Agree...will do a video on Instagram vs real world strength at some point. Think there's a big, big gap.

    • @bondedcarbon
      @bondedcarbon 3 роки тому +7

      @@GVS ​ @Geoffrey Verity Schofield It's interesting how people routinely & ruthlessly compare themselves and other hobbyists to professionals even though for most, lifting is a hobby that they do for a few hours a week. Meanwhile, if you play, say pick up basketball and are styling on most people every night, you generally can be like 'I'm pretty good at basketball'. And you can go and watch an NBA game and not have some sort of mental meltdown because LeBron James is better than you. In reality, the gap between a pickup basketball player and LeBron is probably much greater than a lot of hobbyist lifters and professional strongmen/powerlifters etc, but because there are no black & white numbers standards to see, it doesn't get into people's heads. Also, for most recreational lifters looking to make physique improvements... I think one of the hardest things to understand is that yes, strength increases accompany muscular development, so you should absolutely try and increase your compound numbers, but you shouldn't be chasing those numbers either, as that just leads to form breakdown and bad/discouraging workouts. Hope the text wall helps your algo bro, I appreciate your content. Greetings from HK too, wanna check out Shenzen sometime

  • @SMewett
    @SMewett 2 роки тому

    Love your stuff. Those were more like rear delt flyes than lateral raises

  • @zachnunya8749
    @zachnunya8749 3 роки тому

    I think this is a cool video idea

  • @snoopys14
    @snoopys14 3 роки тому

    love the channel all natural gains no fake natty bull crap

  • @sirknight3180
    @sirknight3180 11 місяців тому

    I just realized my biceps kinda need some work, thank you gvs

  • @danijelteslic8258
    @danijelteslic8258 Рік тому +2

    Damn, thought I was strong then found out I'm not quite the standard yet, let alone going for maximum. Thanks for keeping it real my man! :D

  • @gunnerklith5840
    @gunnerklith5840 Рік тому +2

    Hit the minimum for every lift (exept a little under on squats) after 2 years lifting, im 16 years old with 59kg bw. Happy with my progression so far and i aim to get much heavier to continue to gain strength.

  • @willarnold1067
    @willarnold1067 3 роки тому

    This is the closest opinion to mine personally in terms of strength standards I’ve ever come across on UA-cam great work dude I would say I can only make the elite standard for one of these lifts the bicep curl LOL which makes sense it’s the most genetically jacked part of my body ha ha as for the dead lift and benchpress it comes close everything else is somewhere in the middle stand been training since I was 16 I’m now 31 so half my life natural also would say I have average genetics may be slightly above but the point is well over a decade of hard training as a natural will get you jacked especially in your genetically gifted areas which I’m sure everybody has at least one happy lifting💪😎

  • @nicholasingratta423
    @nicholasingratta423 3 роки тому +1

    Great video most you tubers never adress weight number likes this it’s always whatever you comfortable with. This is real life gym info great stuff.

  • @CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy
    @CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy 2 роки тому

    Nice, I'm at or slightly above the standard on most lifts. That feels good because it's so easy to compare yourself to the selection bias of huge guys online and feel inadequate. The only exception for me is squats because of knee and hip problems I've had over the years. So my quads are my weakest point. But I can still deadlift heavy so whatevs.

  • @redbeard1891
    @redbeard1891 Рік тому

    Its pretty wholesome finding out im intermediate and maxed for allot of these 🏋🏻‍♀️

  • @ijustlift901
    @ijustlift901 3 роки тому +7

    This is really cool. Great to see someone outline what natural lifters should shoot for, rather than watching an Olympia competitor rep out squats with 7 plates on each side like it's nothing. Always good to get a dose of reality on UA-cam. As an old timer from the US it would have been helpful if you included pounds along with kilo's through the entire video. I had to stop to do quick math in my head. Probably good for my brain, but kilo's always throw me off...

  • @kanga3490
    @kanga3490 Рік тому +1

    Good video but I think the mainly body weight movements (pull-ups,dips) rely mostly on strength to weight ratio. I find these movements very easy without weight and can do many reps but cannot fit the minimum for many of the weight only categorised movements.

  • @itsfern8344
    @itsfern8344 3 роки тому +5

    Nice video bro but I was wondering what would be the strength standard for a conventional deadlift? Cut it is a big compound movement

    • @rururu5877
      @rururu5877 Рік тому

      I think +20kgs on the high bar squat?

  • @fikoantunes
    @fikoantunes 3 роки тому

    I would like to see how those standards appiy to people in their 40's+. I'm 41 with about one year of gym and I can only reach the minimums in bench & pull ups. Very informative video, thank you for sharing this.

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому +3

      Hard to say, might be slightly tougher for the over 40 crowd but it's not nearly as much of a negative impact as most people think. Maybe 10-20%, at most.

    • @fikoantunes
      @fikoantunes 3 роки тому +3

      @@GVS Thank you for the reply. You are a great source of solid, no B.S. information, keep this way! I leave here the suggestion for doing a vid about gym for people 40 y.o. and beyond.

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому

      @@fikoantunes sure thing :)

  • @joyit6062
    @joyit6062 Рік тому +2

    Any guidelines on what these would be for women? Assuming the leg ones would be a fair bit lighter and the upper body ones be a whole lott lighter?

  • @atquinn1975
    @atquinn1975 3 роки тому +1

    Very useful information. I'm just working on at home so many of these I'll never be able to test out. Could you give dumbbell equivalents where applicable? From what I understand, those weights will be lower, but I don't if it's by a fixed percentage in all cases.

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому +1

      Depends on the movement. Perhaps 85-90% for press and bench press. Rows shouldn't be much different.

  • @sterlingbrown8036
    @sterlingbrown8036 Рік тому +1

    I can't recall all of your numbers, so this reply is approximate. During my 63 years of (no-layoff) lifting I've at various times met or exceeded your standards and maximums, and my bodyweight and muscular size rarely fluctuated. What you say is probably true for most people, but not for everyone. For this I have no explanation. However, I think it's true that some (drug-free) people can develop impressive strength without developing impressive size. Further, I've known large-muscled men who were comparatively weak. Overall, I'd say your numbers are generally good indicators of muscular development. Thanks for providing them. I'd like to add that lifters can hover around and above the standards for decades, far past what is considered normal. The reward may not be aesthetics, but superior strength and health.

  • @espendahl9719
    @espendahl9719 3 роки тому

    Looks great,nailed about most of them,and some more.

  • @Vampire__Squid
    @Vampire__Squid 3 роки тому +1

    Great video Geoff. Whenever people say "I want 16" arms", you should say they should be able to curl 80 lbs and skullcrush 80 lbs.
    Also Geoff I know people in Europe love you using KGs, but for us North Americans you should consider adding LBs to the screen. I'm in Canada so I can easily do the conversions in my head, but not everyone can do that.

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому +6

      Yea I will in the future, I think. The entire world uses kg really. And it's not a hard conversion.

  • @anshumankar3560
    @anshumankar3560 3 роки тому

    Lightweight babyyyyy
    First time seeing you in full pants 😳

  • @FitAfter50
    @FitAfter50 3 роки тому +12

    I am minimum to standard on all. Strongest being pull ups and curls. I don't have much strength. Max bench is about 170 pounds for 1 rep but I can do 135 20 times. This holds very much true for a lot of exercises. 16 strict pull ups but 3 with 25 pounds extra. Nice video. It is good to have goals.

    • @duncanphillips458
      @duncanphillips458 Рік тому +3

      that sounds like you have a big proportion of slow twitch fibers

    • @FitAfter50
      @FitAfter50 Рік тому

      @@duncanphillips458 years, years and years of triathlon racing 🙂

  • @kyleolin3566
    @kyleolin3566 Рік тому

    Wow! I am above minimum on all lifts except hipthrusts and sumo dealifts, (which I don’t do). My conventional deadlift PR is 315x14, so I think I am doing alright there. Lol. I have many other lifts that are within range of standard, and I believe I can get there. 💪

  • @Oyashio202
    @Oyashio202 3 роки тому +33

    I liked alphadestiny's reference to the strength standards since it goes with weight along with body weight. You can't really ask someone small to try to barbell curl their bodyweight for reps, that's just silly to look at as a natural.

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому +16

      Dunno, who is 60kg and natural and muscularly developed? They'd be like 4 foot 6 inches tall.

    • @ollvi
      @ollvi 3 роки тому +6

      @@GVS i'm 65kg natural and decently muscular and i'm 5'3

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому +18

      @@ollvi Yea 5kg is a lot at that weight.

    • @ollvi
      @ollvi 3 роки тому +5

      @@GVS true that

    • @apathak34
      @apathak34 2 роки тому

      Someone who is that small wouldn't look impressive anyways so it's a pointless conversation

  • @calvinunroe2462
    @calvinunroe2462 3 роки тому

    Great video. I don't think I have ever did dumbbell pullovers correctly. I feel a stretch in abs and lats but can never get it to stimulate my chest

    • @bramkok4832
      @bramkok4832 2 роки тому

      Thats because pullovers are not a chest exercise lol. They train lats and a bit of triceps

    • @calvinunroe2462
      @calvinunroe2462 2 роки тому

      @@bramkok4832 hmm read it was a cheat and lat exercise

  • @jamieknight2139
    @jamieknight2139 10 місяців тому

    W content

  • @finnvanhoutte366
    @finnvanhoutte366 3 роки тому

    "do beginner things"
    best advice ever right here, don't do all them fancy stuff that pro bodybuilders do because you are not on their level
    train with their mindset but don't train with their exact program

  • @balazshajdu3018
    @balazshajdu3018 2 роки тому

    Good video!
    I think the max is pretty high here.

  • @gurpartapsran2672
    @gurpartapsran2672 2 роки тому

    Its just been roughly two months since ove been going to the gym and i have already accomplished the minimum and im pretty happy with it.

  • @waisetsubunsho7934
    @waisetsubunsho7934 2 роки тому +7

    40kg dips as standard? :o I'm hitting close to "maximum" on every other lift, but 10 reps of 40kg weighted dips which you consider as just a "standard" would be bigger achievement than all my other lifts combined.

    • @anonymousman4419
      @anonymousman4419 2 місяці тому

      These standards are somewhat individual and will depend on your leverages (GVS states that IIRC). The lower body standards I can picture myself smashing in 5 years of training, the bench press though, I don't think I'll ever go above 2 plates if I ever reach it that is.

    • @davorzdralo8000
      @davorzdralo8000 Місяць тому

      ​@@anonymousman4419yeah, absolutely this. I could hit his squat standard the first day in the gym, I just have strong legs naturally, but I find some of the others ridiculously high.

    • @anonymousman4419
      @anonymousman4419 Місяць тому

      @@davorzdralo8000 a 💯, I could become elite in some whereas remain beginner in others. It's difficult to have the potential to be well-rounded in everything.

    • @davorzdralo8000
      @davorzdralo8000 Місяць тому +1

      @@anonymousman4419 I also think some of these are just off. His standard for squat and rowing are basically the same, which is absurd. Everyone can squat much, much more than what they can row. The lat raises is crazy high, but it makes sense when you look at the form he's doing, it was honestly so bad I would count that as zero reps :D
      Dips with 40 kg would literally break my sternum, it's not even about arm/pec strength.

    • @anonymousman4419
      @anonymousman4419 Місяць тому

      @@davorzdralo8000 GVS is flexible when it comes to from, especially for isolations. But yeah, reaching that number for lat raises is very impressive. As for the dip, it's individual. Some guys dip a sh*t ton of weight and their sternums are fine.

  • @1729krish
    @1729krish 2 роки тому

    Awesome Video bro, But I find some numbers interesting. Barbell Row minimum and Curls Minimum...For 10 reps, 40kg and 30kg respectively? Thats almost the same weight but one would require very strong biceps and not so strong back to be at the minimum of both of those.

  • @banboosy
    @banboosy Рік тому

    Hey Geoff - gonna push back on what you said at the start about % of bodyweight favouring lower weight lifters. And first I'll say, I've been training for just over a year and I'm hitting your Standard on all tiers, so I'm feeling pretty good about that and I'm not butthurt that you're calling me a tinyboy.
    To start with, look at powerlifting. It's all graded on a curve (that actually disadvantages super heavyweight lifters, although no natural will get to that point). It's not a bodyweight percentage, but the coefficient is based on your bodyweight. That makes sense, as weight clearly plays a big role in strength. Fat supports muscle, it changes your leverages, I know you've talked about this in the past, so I know you're onboard with that.
    If I put on 20kg and got a bit fluffy, or if I'm 5'8" or 6'2", those absolute numbers are going to be much easier, or much harder depending on where I fall. If you're 5'8" and you want to bench 3 plates for 5, you're going to have to train your fucking ass off forever to hit that, whereas if you're 6'2", you're still going to have to bust your balls, but not nearly as hard.
    To bring it back to powerlifting, the average 5'8" powerlifter is 90kg. The average 6'2" pl is 125kg. At 90kg, 5x140 is a 400 wilks (old wilks) lift. That's impressive, but certainly achieveable by most people with dedication. At 125kg though, it becomes just over a 300 wilks lift, a standard I've managed to hit in a year of training (at my bodyweight). Clearly for one of these lifters, and both could be the same bf%, this goal is much harder than for another.
    Would love to hear your thoughts on this. Personally I'm shooting for 400 wilks (or DOTS now, but I don't have as fancy a calc at hand for that), while focusing on hyperthrophy, not powerlifting. I'm 5'9" (maybe that's why I'm taking this a bit thick, lol), and have a goal weight of around 85kg. So I'd be pushing for a 180x5 squat, 134x5 bench, 207x5 deadlift, 87x5 OHP.

  • @carlicbread8199
    @carlicbread8199 2 роки тому

    Oh yeah I am close to max and intermediate on most of these. Feels good

  • @amitdagan78
    @amitdagan78 2 роки тому

    what is the numbers for dumbbell bench press?
    great video btw

  • @joeyshurland9840
    @joeyshurland9840 3 роки тому +3

    Solid vid. My only criticism is strength standards are size dependent. I am 160lbs and it took me 1.5 years to bench 185. My 205lb friend on the other hand, whose never lifted a day in his life put up 185x1 his first time benching. Although these are somewhat accurate, larger people should expect to hit the higher end of these standards if not surpass them whilst smaller people should not expect to hit the higher end numbers.

    • @GVS
      @GVS  3 роки тому +3

      Sure, was just keeping it simple. A % based system favors some.

    • @joeyshurland9840
      @joeyshurland9840 3 роки тому

      @@GVS Makes sense

    • @gaynigg.a
      @gaynigg.a 6 місяців тому +1

      Skill issue