"Why is Geoffrey Verity Schofield So WEAK?" (Response To Steve Shaw)
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
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Reasons why I love Geoff-
1)He is honest about his strength standards
2)He never shows off pretending as if he is strong by lifting fake weights like Athlean x
Your bar is so low lmao
@@Keskokesko21 Cuz this youtube fitness is garbage
@@Keskokesko21 why you liking your own comment lmao
@@jugheadsrule If we all know it, I hope you didn't spend to long on the dissertation? (And I don't know it).
@@jugheadsrule sperg
You only "slightly" stronger than me. But you're endurance, work capacity and knowledge of fitness smokes mine out of the water. Not to mention you're aesthetics are 👌🏿
I do a lot of cardio. I could benefit from looking more jacked because of my baby face.
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I never thought you were weak, you're very strong in a variety of exercises and rep ranges. No idea why the internet only looks at 1 rep max on 3 lifts as a way to gauge how strong someone is, it's weird lol
Yeah, I also think the "big three" is a super subjective exercise selection. Like, no overhead movements at all, low bar squat and sumo deadlifts are basically the same movement pattern, very little variation in the planes of movement , all are compound barbell movements etc...
Training for strength is more fun overall than training for hypertrophy I think (numbers go up faster, my monkey brain likes this) but I'm just as happy about a lat pull down PR than a bench PR.
@@garak55 i love PRs in general too, i think every lifter does, but i'll always find a pendlay row 5 rep PR for example way more enjoyable than a 1rm on the deadlifts or something. Way safer too and less taxing on the nervous system.
Because I did 280 bench in highschool and 405 deadlift and some people are quite a bit stronger than that.. I never looked as good as Geoff does now, but for highschool I was muscular
Exactly, put a shovel in Steve Shaws hands and see if his 1RM means much.
Nothing that impressive with a slug that can move a lot of weight one time. Now if you’re a world record holder, then fine but not this guy. Why is Geoffrey verity shcoefield so weak, Geoffrey verity Schofield so weak, 10 minutes later, so weak, why? Longest, dumbest videos on the World Wide Web.
Geoff is not weak. It’s just that he looks way bigger than most people with those numbers. I personally would never call someone who can deadlift 455 weak.
Lots of people in the comments didn't actually watch Steve Shaw's video and it shows.
Yeah, seriously. Steve is super supportive of GVS's content and is just addressing all the questions he gets about "strength standards" and why someone can get pretty jacked without being exceptionally strong. Title is a bit clickbaity but he knows that.
Having lifted all my life, I always hear people say how much they benched or squatted, etc…and take it with a grain of salt. Apparently everyone is stronger than me. I just have to accept it.
Everyone says they were squattint 4 plates as a 15yr old lmao
@@copeenthuisiast5453 Exactly!
Every time the topic of deadlifts comes up there's always droves of people coming out of the woodwork telling you how they pulled 4 plates their first day at the gym 😒😒
Meanwhile in my real life gym with real people i rarely see anyone pull more than 3 plates, even big muscular guys
@@ThePainkiller9995 Because their pathetic
All really good points. I actually recognised all these issues transitioning from Powerlifter to Bodybuilder.
It took me a long time to change my form to accommodate the higher volumes, get better SFR and actually emphasise the muscles I was trying to grow rather than throw up weight.
I never thought you were weak, as I know full well I had to reduce load on the bar quite a bit to train for physique. Conversely if you actually trained for strength, once through the learning curve I imagine you'd make some very rapid progress with the base you've built.
Oh yea, maybe we can get into this in the discussion this week. Because we're sort of looking at it from a different initial starting point. I'd have to lower the volume a lot, train with heavier loads but more RIR, be more intentional with my accessory selection, periodize my training, take deloads, maybe give up some arm/shoulder size even, all of which are big changes!
@@GVS Yep I can talk on the changes I made, would love to share my experience. Speak soon!
Would be great to see you guys talk about that!
What’s SFR?
@@jamesthagreat1343 Stimulus to Fatigue Ratio
Keep at it, Geoff! Always appreciate the honestly, nuance, and healthy mindset you bring to these discussions.
No need to cash in the hyper trophies for strength yet, your style of training is obviously paying off in your physique.
When I started some months ago as a scrawny weakling all I kept seeing was I HAD to get to 225 bench and 315 squat. So all I was focused on was getting there. My newb gains tapped out before I got there (around 200 bench 275 squat) I kept doing the same thing hoping I'd push thru then one day I just was like "why do these numbers matter, who cares" and I started focusing on a little more towards hypertrophy and my body has started visually changing quickly even though my strength hasn't gone up much at all.
I can relate to this. I look decent, but my strenght is not that great... but i am proud of what i have accomplished and i will continue to improve.
Whoa same for me
Well that's great for you but if you wanna get stronger still, you totally can and 200 bench and 275 squat is no where near your limit
@@gaminikokawalage7124 oh I know. If I focused on strength I can most definitely push my numbers way way higher. What I'm getting at is I realized those numbers don't matter too much (at least for me) I'm not a powerlifter, I'm never going to compete.
Basically I'm saying, it's OK to focus on things other than strength and hitting numbers. I'm still progressing. Even my strength is still progressing slowly. I'm just not dead focused on it like I used to be. It's not the end of the world if I don't increase in weight this week
The problem wasn’t strength training the problem is you were not addressing why you got “stuck”
I don't think anyone one who lifts weight is "weak". Resistance training is one of the most important activities we can do for our health. As a 55 year old, who started lifting a decade ago, I can say I look better and feel better than I did in my 20s. A health check last year showed I had a metabolic age of 39; down to resistance training, I believe. I may not have a 100kg bench, 140kg squat, 180kg deadlift, (and I don't look as good as you, GVR!) but I am stronger than most men my age who don't lift. No one who lifts weight is weak.
"Theres no shame in being weak, the shame is in staying weak"
180 kg deadlift at 55 is fuckin' amazing.
@@ioniordache8372 ☺ That is kind of you, but you might have misread. I said "I may not have..."; though I did 180kg squat for 1 rep about ten years ago when I weighed 90kg. Today I weigh 73kg, and I don't have much of a squat: 120kg, probably. But like I said, I am lifting and strengthening my ageing body.
Unfortunately there are genetic outliers that disprove this. There are literal non responders to strength and hypertrophy training. Can't grow muscle. Very rare, but so are the elite lifters who are hyper responders. More hyper responders will tend to be into resistance training of course, imagine training without any results, oof
@@rockyevans1584 Could you present a study from peer-review that demonstrates your claim in reference to hypertrophy. Thanks.
You seem like a sincere and down to earth kind of guy , that's rare on the internet.
To be honest it seems like you have better genes for endurance. As indicated by preferred training style and your training history. Everyone is somewhere on the strength endurance spectrum and you're probably just closer to one extreme than most fitness industry people who lean the other way.
A big factor, yes.
@@GVS plus you are an amogus which makes you preferred for venting
I think this highlights how individual our fitness journeys are. Everything changes with goals. So many people see someone with different goals and think they are weak, (or strong, or whatever) but so much of their training is just going to be different because they are training for something completely different.
My goal is to be strong and healthy throughout my body so that I can live past 90 and still be able to enjoy life. I train in combat sports, wildlife hiking and other outdoor sports and compliment all of that with weight training. I don't do one rep max and all of my numbers are small, but I do a lot of reps and progressively work on my stamina output. I follow you because you are genuine and provide good information that is applicable to my goals in life. Between you, Alan Thrall and The Boogez, I feel pretty covered for the current leg of my journey. Thanks for the content!
I think anyone who has followed your channel can clearly see the progress . You have followed exactly what you say. Simple. I have been all over the internet watching many different channels . More should be like you. Just honest. Keep up the good work.
The point you made about the couple of lifts powerlifters are strong in…. I’d argue hypertrophy focused lifters are overall stronger since they master and get strong in many multiple types of lifts.
Bodybuilders may be stronger in some lifts powerlifters may not do, like curls and pull ups, but generally, powerlifters are still stronger than bodybuilders outside of the big 3, because the big 3 carry over massively to most other lifts and powerlifters, good ones atleast, train alot of accessory movements too, much like bodybuilders. A big bench presser is very likely also strong in weighted dips and overhead presses.
@@gaminikokawalage7124 they strong in skill, but not strength. Day 1 strength matters more. You want to be able to come into the gym having not practiced a lift, and lift heavy. That is true farmer like strength
@@coachingconfidant2785 I'd say they're strong in skill and strength. Ofcourse a mega arched super wide grip minimal ROM bench press is more "skill" than strength but generally speaking, powerlifting is strength training. And as for farmer strength, well powerlifters are strong in that sense too. An 800 lb deadlifter is objectively strong af and will be better than the majority of people at moving something like a refrigerator or something. Strongman however, are definitely more suited to those kind of awkward lifts.
@@gaminikokawalage7124 yeah they are strong for a couple seconds. 1RM iis overrated in that sense. They have to go through a peak phase where they conserve their energy for weeks just to lift this weight, so the strength is only temporary. Not a reflection of true raw functional strength. Take a weight that you can lift on your worst day for like 10 reps Thats your true strength
@@coachingconfidant2785 yes they do peak for 1 rep maxes. But they aren't weak outside of that. Do you really think julius Maddox is gonna struggle with like a 315 bench just because he's not peaked? They do plenty of volume work too. 5-10 rep max sets aren't unheard of in powerlifting training
It comforts me to know i'm not the only one to have a decent physique with "weak" lifts (you're bigger, but not as lean as me). I have almost the same stats as you, with more or less 5kg of difference, depending on the lift. We're the same height even, so it's a good comparison for me!
Steve speaks very highly of GVS. Steve’s video was a bit of click bait. He explained that his viewers ask him why he is so much stronger than GVS despite similar muscle mass. So he made this video to highlight why they are different. He actually started the whole video praising GVS and explaining what he was up to with the title. He was explaining the differences between their styles and goals. Plus how strength can be increased over decades (Steve) while there is a limit to hypertrophy in non-enhanced lifters.
@@mrhyde2250 Yes i saw that video from Steve also! It's just refreshing to see guys like GVS tbh. Because when you listen to a lot of people online, they're all powerlifter strong lol
@@GuillaumeLeValiant agreed. I am into hypertrophy myself. I’ll get stronger along the way but I don’t care about numbers at all. Working out at home helps keep the ego in check as well. I have a pretty solid setup and don’t need the gym.
@@mrhyde2250 I think training alone without comparing yourself to gymbros can be an excellent thing sometime, indeed! I realised on myself that doing higher volume with less weight (putting the same effort during the set), was better for hypertrophy
Thank you for the perspective. It's hard when people say "you're not lifting heavy enough to grow" when you hit 315 on bench for a double.
I love the UA-cam back and forth infinite loop responses. He will then probably react to this video. Cannot wait for it!
Steve speaks very highly of GVS. Steve’s video was a bit of click bait. He explained that his viewers ask him why he is so much stronger than GVS despite similar muscle mass. So he made this video to highlight why they are different. He actually started the whole video praising GVS and explaining what he was up to with the title. He was explaining the differences between their styles and goals. Plus how strength can be increased over decades (Steve) while there is a limit to hypertrophy in non-enhanced lifters.
Absolutely loving the content and the editing even more 😋
That's crazy man. My first year lifting after a decade of opiate abuse my squat got to 285lb, bench was 215, I never checked deadlift. I ended up relapsing and now I'm good again. 2nd week back in the gym now
My first time ever in the gym I squared about 85lb 1RM.
all the best going forward bro, addiction is a bitch. remember, we're all gonna make it
Why not lift while being addicted🤔😈 you can ignore the horrific muscle tears as you deadlift 502kg no warm up🤰🏿
@@HoobleyWoobley high dose opiates aren't easy to manage
@@HoobleyWoobley lol I did. I would do heroin and then go to the gym, go tan, get all of my macros in and then at night do more and take handfuls of pills on top of it. Dressed really well and you'd never know I was a complete disaster in my personal time lol
I wish you the best buddy. I've been there before too, and getting out of that dark place is difficult, keep it up.
I'm looking forward to your video on the various training modalities that influence hypertrophy.
WTF was my exact reaction when I saw Steve's thumbnail pop up in my feed yesterday. I think you look jacked and put up some great numbers. I really could care less what other people lift. I really could care less what I lift 😁 I'm in the gym, having fun, and giving my best effort. That's all that matters to me. Damn that's some serious training volume you were and still putting in there. Learning from our experiences, making adjustments, and learning from those adjustments. We're all running our own personal experiments and it's so much fun sharing our experiences with each other.
Steve speaks very highly of GVS. Steve’s video was a bit of click bait. He was explaining the differences between their styles and goals. Plus how strength can be increased over decades (Steve) while there is a limit to hypertrophy (natural).
@@mrhyde2250 ahhhh... glad to hear that.
@@losefatgetjacked he also explained that his viewers ask him why he is so much stronger than GVS despite similar muscle mass. So he made this video to highlight why they are different. He actually started the whole video praising JVS and explaining what he was up to with the title.
@@mrhyde2250 right on! Thanks for sharing brother 👊 Now I’ll have to check out the video
Certain honesty and your good for natty physique are actually your trademark and the reason i follow you.
I would also say that many people nowadays on social media are strength focused not intentionally but because they try to force progressive overload. Many people on this platform who focus solely on hypertrophy are not that strong ( relative to strength standards) but look super jacked.
his bench is 250 lbs. Its proof that progressive overload is all bullshit. Focusing on strength makes your CNS and body in general more efficient in that movement pattern. Real muscle isnt built by focusing on this. Progressive overload will build strength for that movement, but you shouldnt focus on it for MUSCLE
Only drug users have bad relative strength
@@KurokamiNajimi not true
@@BalkanManic Yeah it is save for some genetic freaks who basically have natural PED progression
Keep doing it your way. I had way more muscle when I use to hit the gym for hours a day. I started following all the advice over the years of fitness "experts" and I'm not near as big. (It also could be age. I was in my late 20s, now I'm 40.)
You had me at anabolic training volumes
As a newbie I went the high volume route with the intention to minimize strength and endurance training to maximize muscle growth and it worked.
Slow(3 seconds each way) and controlled push-ups and dips few reps short of failure and sets separated by hours, every day. 3-4 sets each a day, sometimes even 5 sets.
I did not get stronger until months later when I started more strength related training and I quickly became a lot stronger than I ever was before.
Great channel! Humor + solid training info.
Love how you aren't one of those guy's that have a HUGE arch when benching I feel it's so ugly and not nearly as impressive. Keep it up dude! You'll hit 315 soon !
Also I'm trying to hit some of the same goals lol your much bigger I'm like 169 "giggty" and have been training for a little over a year! I'm able to hit 290 on the bench and squat 375 not "elite " number's yet but it's only my first year and I feel like I'm just getting started lol
@@joelherandez43 do you bodybuilding or powerlift?
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Fellow gym enthusiast here with a 200kg dead, 150squat, 130~ bench here. I feel weak whenever im online, where everyone deadlifts atleast 300kilograms and benches atleast 150kg. In real life however it is difficult to find 100kg benchers even...
That was a great video. Well done. 👏👏👏
I ran a lot during my time in the Army. I didn't realize until you mentioned it, that this is why my hips are misaligned.
This is all relative. 90% of the population doesn’t lift. You’re therefore stronger than 90% of people. Then within the 10% that do, most of them are beginners, so… how exactly is that weak?
Strength or weakness is all very subjective. End of the day, all you can do is compare yourself to your past self and see if you are progressing the way you want to be.
I never really concerned myself with lifting for comparison to others'. My goals are generally just health and aesthetics, and strength is secondary to them. In my main gym I wouldn't have ever cracked the top 15 for strength in the lifters there, but I enjoyed going for endurance. High rep ranges, and a high amount of cardio.
11:00 minutes I figured this out in my track day run's a few years ago and now I make sure to to run an even amount of laps going both clockwise and counter clockwise to balance it out.
ask yourself how many people you know, personally or via rumors by someone you personally know, that lift more or as much as him and the issue is pretty much solved.
never seen someone deadlift more than 200kg with my own eyes other than me. i'm the strongest in my gym (small town) and nobody i know knows about anyone that can dl over 200kg. i'm not even regional level strong but i still am the strongest person a lot of people know of.
Same, I'm the strongest person I know and I'm weak af. Regular people are not strong at all.
I trained in a tiny council gym in the U.K. growing up that had a 5 plate bencher and two guys that could pull over 6 plates, pretty mind blowing seeing that as a teen starting out.
Yea in the gym I don't look as big as those guys but when im out and about in the regular world I'm often the fittest or one of the fittest everywhere I go. Especially compared to people my age or older
Most normal non gym people can't squat or bench 1 plate if their life depended on it
In my gym theres someone who deads 240 for 8 and the fucking SENIOR WORLDCHAMPION IN BENCH hecasually benches 170 with minimal arch
Great video. Keep doing what you do.
Thanks for this video! refreshing perspective... I rinsed 5x5 for over a year and became so uninspired. Progressive overload and strength have been hammered into my brain as no.1 priority by stronglifts and similar communities but just found I was getting nowhere with that mindset. guna show some consideration to the pump
Those are you 1RMs? Bro... I'm only slightly past HALF those xD . Love the transparency bro. Lmao at the end your pics say "I've done alright". If I can look like you in 10 years... I'll be over the moon. Keep up the awesome work
Thanks coach been wondering why for some time now!
Bravo, you're absolutely right not to compare to anyone. I'm 59 & only been lifting for 5 years never been coached & weighs 135lbs is very happy to even deadlift 300lbs for 3 reps, not everybody is Hafthor or Ronnie Coleman being the best in their field.
Interesting video. Thanks man!
You train for what works for you and your goals, your work capacity is incredible and your cardio is way better than elite lifters! I can see 5-10 years down the road the S.T.R.O.N.G book being written...about what you learned on how to become super strong despite your imbalances!
In the world of UA-cam fitness...you are extremely likeable.
And I liked the honesty and attitude about your number's...some people are better at different things, some people are geared out of their minds...everyone's different.
I got stuck a 77.5kg military press for about a year and no matter what training or assistance I did it was like a brick wall...i just don't think I'm built for it and all I got was..."your training must suck bro" People built different for different things...I respect everybody's lifts...and people who try and shit on people because they can't lift as much as them should probably just fuck off
Another very good video. Keep it up. No olans to monetize it yet?
No, I don't like having vshred on my videos. Ebooks and coaching are enough.
U are 💯 right people are mixing powerlifting and hypertrophy training up. For hypertrophy training 1 rep max are not needed
U need to be in the 8-15 reps in the 80-90% range to failure or close to failure for hypertrophy. Plus powerlifting has a big genetic strength component and body structure leverages involved.
You can’t stuff up hypertrophy man. Its like between reps of 5-30 or something. Its the easiest phase of resistance training out of say, strength, speed, power. Its your basics of resistance training.
Would be interesting to see you do a 8-12 week program to peak out your 1rms.
Bought your SWEAT book today. Going through it... its Wow... thanks for all the research and info in it, Kudos from India 🙏🙏
Thanks for the support and glad you like it!
We all train for different reasons/goals.
What matters is that we *train in the first place.*
*KEEP GRINDIN'!* 🤟🏻
I just stopped caring about numbers. I focus on hypertrophy and it has been going well. I sometimes dont even memorize the reps, I just do my best next time and push to my limits.
In regards to the imbalances I'm convinced it is caused by the lifestyle like playing guitar sleeping in a twsted position and by the side by which we are mostly dominant. At one point I thought I had scoliosis but I think it's the general lifestyle. Check out a video called "The truth about Lateral Pelvic Tilt" by Neal Hallinan.
The way you looked out the window at the end tells me you'd love to be strong.
It would be nice. But at the end of the day it's not my main goal.
It would be interesting to see you focus on strength for some time and see how much stronger you would get
Loved the American psycho edit!
But your memeing is world class.
We are individual in our fitness journeys. I'm about 2 years into my journey and when I started out, I was a stick. I'm currently close to 100 pounds for the three main lifts (I also train at home). I am certainly stronger than I was a year ago
Everyone needs to watch Steve's video. He is not insulting GVS at all.He says GVS is not weak.
Yea for sure. I should have made that more clear lol.
@@GVS Sorry was just directing that towards the comments insulting Steve. You're video was entertaining
Genetics play a huge part. If you said you bench 4 plates, I would definitely believe you.
After all your (and most people's) goal is building a nice physique, and you've certainly done that.
I need a video on how to use Excel for hypertrophy 😂.
You are strong. But to get f'n strong(wo peds) you'll have to eat a ton, accept a big old gut and switch to powerlifting style training. Subscribed, e-book.
@2:00 you said people use bumper plates and they can lift more weight. How does that work? Because of a bounce, or are bumper plates easier than steel?
It'll shift the heavier plates to the outside during a deadlift, causing the bar to bend more, reducing range of motion.
The more bumper plates the more the bar will bend. Basically the closer to the end of the bar you can stack the weights the easier it will be to lift. Only works on deadlifts tho.
What I would find interesting is how high your maintenance volume for certain muscles is. Your body clearly adapted to a very high weekly volume and you probably have to do way more now to hold onto it.
Tough to say, I've never tried to maintain. Typically in the research the maintenance volume is quite low so I'm not worried about that.
Maintenance is usually super easy. I'm nowhere near as big as Geoffrey but when I built muscle through high volume training, I was able to keep it on even when I cut down my volume a lot (6x per week ppl->3x and often less)
On the internet everyone benches 500 pounds and deadlifts 800, but then when you go into a gym irl most guys are dyels struggling to bench/squat/deadlift bodyweight. Maybe I just go to a noob gym or something but it's still curious, I almost never see anyone put up these numbers that are supposedly "easy to hit" or "beginner level" according to keyboard warriors.
It's the internet where the most extreme cases and examples are put on the spotlight. Seeing 3 or more videos of dudes benching 4+ plates makes it seem more common than it actually is. Most people in general are not big, strong, are inconsistent, and usually do not last long enough in their lifting journey to truly benefit from it. You have to be dedicated to the iron to get the best out of your genetic potential. It is what it is.
btw, is there any way to buy your ring training book with paypal? i prefer that to typing in cc info.
Yea that's fair enough. You can paypal me at geoffreyschofield8@gmail.com, just be sure to leave your email address in a note.
ok so I watched this video....Strength doesnt equal 1 rep. thats who wins powerlifting meets. also you cant "train" for strength. YOU ARE STRONG. THEN YOU DEMONSTRATE IT IN THE GYM REGARDLESS OF REP RANGE. You are awesome and very strong G>V>S>!!
Fuck RPE, the bar goes up or i die no in between
Very nice, let’s see Bald Omni Mans new PR.
I’m sure if you did a strength program for a few months you’d get strong as hell
Which is better for hypertrophy, Deficit Deadlifts or Snatch Grip Deadlifts?
(I stand on 20kg bumper plate for Deficit deadlifts)
Everything is clear for everybody training hypertrophy. Btw great technique on running.
Strength is so individual and as long as you are getting stronger then you are progressing. I'd you're focused on hypertrophy then getting stronger will take much longer as failure sets for example will result in much slower strength progression but greater muscle gains in most people.
Really good and informative response.
I kinda think you don't really care too much, I kinda think you want to stay on good terms with Steve, and I kinda think you want to stay above the fray of all the ego and personal stuff.
Lifting whether the goal is primarily strength or hypertrophy especially when combined with the goal of a UA-cam following and potential $$$ can become so full of ego and personal attacks however it's dressed up.
I think you showed a lot of class responding the way you did keeping everything informative and non personal.
I think the way you use humor is very disarming and humble and you communicate very well and seem to genuinely want to help people.
Dude I have the same alignment issue, I got it when I was like 22 , I'm 26 now but I used to work warehouse jobs and I would push boxes only with my left so now I'm so misaligned.
I know why, it's because he ain't giving you his cocktail of drugs, *surprised face/mind blown* 😮🤯
Steve speaks very highly of GVS. Steve’s video was a bit of click bait. He explained that his viewers ask him why he is so much stronger than GVS despite similar muscle mass. So he made this video to highlight why they are different. He actually started the whole video praising GVS and explaining what he was up to with the title. He was explaining the differences between their styles and goals. Plus how strength can be increased over decades (Steve) while there is a limit to hypertrophy in non-enhanced lifters.
@@mrhyde2250 I see, thanks for clarifying. I'm happy to hear that. There is a limit for strength too naturally. Even with PEDs there will be a threshold that cannot be surpassed, where that threshold lay varies from one individual to the next.
You must train like a Powerlifter once and do a Powerlifting meet. Really interested to see where you will end up with such a base build all over these years. Try once and please bring the fan's wish to come true.
Just a general doubt, will elevating the heel remove any glute activation in squats?
It'll bias the quads more, typically, but the glutes are still working.
Interesting video. If you look at what some of the top natural bodybuilding competitors do, it is low volume and high intensity (going to failure). They try to progressive overload 1 or 2 top sets per movement and maybe 6-10 sets per body part per week. This kind of goes against the whole scientific approach of reps in reserve and 10-20 sets a week. Have you thought of reducing volume significantly to reap some strength gains that are probably there to be taken? Still doing higher rep sets but a lot less of them.
Bro is still stronger than 99% of the population. No normal person actually cares if he's squating 350 or 400, they just want advice on going to the gym.
Hey Geoffrey, i am currently training for a sub-17 minute 5k while still training 5x per week with upper lower 2x per week and an accessory(mainly arms) day. i am having lots of trouble with managing fatigue in my hamstrings with all the hinges and running im doing. How do you go about training your hinges while not affecting your running too much?
Volume is its own kind of strength. You need to be able to push through the pain barrier and grind. Calling someone weak just because their totals aren't that high is short-sighted. I know guys who can do a lot more weight than Geoff but would struggle to keep up with his volume. Also, end of the day, he's got a good physique and gives good info so who cares if he doesn't fit into someone's narrow definition of strength?
All things being equal, who would in wrestling a bodybuilder vs a power lifter?
It's obvious you are not weak. Internet's shitty skewedness is at play. It's clear you have a huge muscular base and if you decided to focus on powerlifting instead of hyperthrophy, you would rack some really good numbers (not that your current numbers are bad by any stretch of the imagination).
1:13 looks like your Quora/UA-cam profile pic in the background. 😅
GVS, check out basement bodybuilding. He emphasises on training for size vs strength (still pushing progressive overload over time through tonnage accumulation) and the importance of isolation lifts. Would like to know what you think especially in this “compound vs isolation” argument since most of YT fitness puts a very strong emphasis on compound movements/strength training and you specifically train for size.
I’ve got a tip for you Geoff on back training that made a huge impact on my back development. It is to time your scapula with whatever movement you’re doing. Protract at the bottom, and as you row the bar towards you, retract your scapula hard and try to pinch those shoulder blades. If you look at your chest supp. rows, you’ll notice your elbows coming back a lot, essentially your biceps are contracting hard, but not much is going on with your back. I’ve found when I do this, I get amazing contractions through the back, and a lot less in my arms. So for those of you out there whore struggling with back training I highly recommend trying this out, the awareness and control of the scapula can also carry over to your bench.
That's just the path of the machine, and I can certainly feel my back working. Those are partials especially near the end. If I wanted to get full retraction I'd have to cut the load in half or more and it's just not worth it. I'd rather overload the stretched position.
Now let’s see Paul Allen’s physique…
if im doing different pullup variations and rows is it still necessary to work my biceps and forearms separately ?
yes, if you want big arms you need to isolate biceps, you dont need to do 3 different variations with high reps or any of that stuff but you do need to curl. forearms can vary on the person but generally if you want meaty forearms you need to do flexions, static holds etc
I have a hard time getting full range of motion with rows to hit my biceps really well (pullups are better but it's still hard to hit the fully contracted position). Definitely recommend an isolation exercise as a finisher. I can also get better ROM with triceps than with most press exercises, so to really hit the long head in the stretched position, I do isolations too. If it's important to you, target it more directly 🙂
Looking like you are strong is so much better than actually being strong
Some strength work would be a nice change of pace, and it would just allow you to throw around more weight or even act as a deload or another way to bust through a lull. It's also great for marketing to have high numbers so its worth dabbling in eventually.
"It's also great for marketing to have high numbers"
I actually don't think anyone cares to be honest. I've never, ever had a potential client ask me them.
1 rep max strength is overrated, if you look good who cares (unless you enjoy powerlifting of course). I think higher rep training is better for longevity.
Sometimes I wonder what it would like to be weak. But my mom named me Chad.
I get your point, but let me ask you this: how long do plan on lifting? Years probably right? The reason I'm asking, is that I'm wondering if you could possibly squeeze a couple months in here and there for a training method that you perceive to be suboptimal for short term muscle gains that could potentially set you up for more gains down the road?
Because that's definitely a thing. In bodybuilding. I started doing heavy singles in my training because Arnold of all people recommended building a foundation of that style of training to increase the weight you can use with more hypertrophy oriented methods. The Silver Era greats took it a step further, and did heavy partials, not necessarily to build muscle in the short term, but to pave the way for future training. You're already really good as a natural bodybuilder, but I think you've got more potential if you increased your strength ceiling. What's gonna build more muscle, close grip Larsen press with 225, or close grip Larsen press with 275? Because the latter would be much more possible if you just got your regular bench up to 315, and I don't think you'd have to resort to Russian contortionist style bullshit haxx to make that happen, just a mild arch and some tasteful conservative leg drive.
The best part is, you can do at least some of the heavy single neural/tendon/whatever overload strength work while cutting, so you wouldn't be able to build muscle at that time anyway. Ymmv, my bench strength always goes down while cutting but other lifts are mostly unaffected, so it's worth a try if you're unwilling to devote any time when you could be gaining muscle more quickly to it.
That's a proper comment, I really wanted to find in this comment section. As I cannot possibly find any reason in his arguments not to optimize strength. Especially as a natural, when there's only so much pleasure in getting bigger when you've been lifting 8+years.
Is there actually any reason to believe that gaining strength in 1 rep maxes would somehow translate to better hypertrophy stimulus? I cannot think of any. When you grow the fastest is when you're the weakest and as you lift longer and get stronger your gains significantly diminish so just based on correlation it seems completely counter factual.
Why would more weight = more stimulus? If you're struggling the same amount to lift it why would your body adapt differently? If anything more weight would equal less stimulus, as there are significant detriments to being strong. If you're strong enough that you need to bench 400lbs minimum or something to get a decent stimulus, all other variables have to be reduced to accommodate for that massive amount of weight. You cannot train as frequently, you cannot train as high volume, you cannot train at the same rpe, and the very act of training becomes vastly more dangerous. This is why so many guys who can bench a lot train in ways that purposely make them weaker. Larsen press, pause benching, etc..
And it's not to say that there's a direct relation, but people who gain strength more slowly seem to have a longer hypertrophy gains arc, too. Geoff is one such example. So if anything (for bodybuilding) the best course might be to gain strength as slowly as you can while not jeopardizing hypertrophy.
@@grottphd9090 Still such a weird mindset to purposefully stay weak. (Only if you do indeed have a career in bodybuilding). Otherwise, the only thing in it in the long term seems to be strength goals.(8years of training)
@@thibaultdelandsheer9109 well I realized this a whole back and since then I've attempted to drastically reduce the weight I'm lifting. Focusing on form and being more conscious of tempo, practicing pre and post exhaustion, using more difficult variations, higher reps, less time between sets so I can do more sets, etc.. I could honestly write a book on this style of training. All my nagging injuries over the years have either healed completely or gotten much better and I'm bigger than ever before. Obviously the goal is still to gain strength over time because that's the only way you grow. But if I can limit my strength to get the same stimulus, that seems better for me in every way.
@@grottphd9090 But are you still getting noticeably bigger though to the point that it still motivates you? How many years of training do you have under your belt?(and are you natural)
Geoff, you're numbers are great. To say that you're weak is bullshit for sure. You have worked hard to get where you are, you lift honestly, with integrity, and you don't use steroids and drugs. You are the real thing.
I know program hopping is generally looked down upon, but what do you think about alternating between a hypertrophy based program and a strength-geared program every few months?
@@RajeshBhavnani thanks bro! Surprising that you were able to make gains like that doing such high volume
@@RajeshBhavnani I’ve honestly came to the same conclusion. The whole “adding 5lbs per week philosophy” is kinda bs. I just add weight when I feel it’s necessary, and until then I try to make the movement as difficult as possible by using good form or going slower
Love this guy
İmpressive, very nice. Let's see Steve Shaw's meme.
Me, an empath, sensing that at 5:06 he was in fact not joking