Thank you Dr. GretaGolf- good video. Worth mention- USGA Rule 18 "Stroke and Distance / Out of Bounds" does NOT include the "2-stroke" penalty / drop where the ball went out / was lost. It's a "local" rule, but if any type of organized event, players must verify if it applies.
It's not only a local rule it's a rule that is not fully understood on how it should be implemented. Here in N. Nevada we recommend clubs not use this local rule. For NNGA and USGA events we NEVER use this rule. All it starts is problems.
Thanks for going over this! I've been playing for a few years and, suffering from mild dyslexia, I have some difficulty remembering these rules. You have some great common sense videos that I find very helpful!
I’m SO pleased to know that this (and other) videos are helpful to you!! For sure, these rules are kind of cumbersome and definitely a lot to remember. Are there any other topics that you’d like to see me cover? Just let me know and I’ll do my best to make it happen...that’s why I’m here 😊⛳️!!
I think it's worth noting the 2-stroke, fairway-drop rule for lost/OB ball is a local rule, so not always in effect. I just learned about this one and, unfortunately, plan on using it often.
Yes, you’re correct - it’s a local rule designed to keep groups moving at an acceptable pace of play. This way, players do not have to go all the way back to the tee box after a lengthy hunt for their lost drives. We’ll make a note to advise that it’s a local rule when we update in short order!!
@@DrGretaGolf Strange. So, we're penalized an additional stroke for speeding up play? Sounds like "Pace Of Play" isn't as important of an issue as they make it sound.
It’s certainly not the ideal to incur a penalty for sure, but in this situation in which the ball is lost, the player would incur a penalty one way or another. So, it’s a bit of a trade off, but accepting the penalty and dropping further down vs. re-teeing is a viable option and definitely time saving in most instances.
@@dsbrainard since the proper Penalty is *Stroke and Distance* - and whenever there is a suspicion that your Ball went OB or might be Lost - *a Provisional Ball should have been played.* That Provisional Ball would now lie 2 Strokes more than the OB/Lost Ball. This is why the Local Rule Drop costs you Two Strokes because The Local Rule Drop is a substitution for the Provisional Ball.
Not sure if this information is correct. I thought if you hit the ball out of bounds or called for a lost ball the only option you have is to re-tee your ball under penalty of one stroke. Stroke and distance. The option of taking a drop within two club lengths from the point your ball entered the OB area or from a approximate area where you lost your ball under the penalty of two strokes is a local rule only adopted by some golf clubs to speed up play if I'm not mistaken. Yellow stakes you have two options by taking the two club lengths rule from the point your ball entered into the hazard area keeping the same alignment from the point of entry and the hole itself, obviously not nearer the hole, this option I'm not sure was mentioned or secondly as correctly stated you can take your next shot from a position as far back at your discretion but again keeping the same alignment between the point of entry into the hazard and the hole. Keeping in mind their maybe a nearby drop Zone area where you should take you penalty shot.
Thank you for your kind words! I appreciate that you have taken the time to watch. Please let me know if there are any specific topics/issues you’d like to see me cover in upcoming videos!!!
Dr Greta you mention taking a backward drop after being in the yellow stake area. In your video you state you can go back as far as you like in line from where you last payed, is it not the case that you require to mark where the ball crossed into the yellow area and go back keeping a line between that said spot and the target
Hi, great video! Off the tee your ball goes into a penalty area (red or yellow stakes) you either find your ball but can't hit it or don't find it at all. You proceed to take the right relief option and drop instead of re teeing. Would this incure a two shot penalty once you have dropped or would it incure just 1 shot penalty? I understand anything of the tee that goes OB (white stakes) you will either re tee for 3 or drop for 3 (hitting for 4) up the fairway. Thanks.
Hi @jordan Carroll Thanks for watching the video - I’m glad it was helpful to you!! The short answer to your question is one-stroke penalty. I think the easiest way to fully address your question re: # of penalty strokes assessed is to explain as directly stated by the USGA Official Rules of Golf: When you take relief from a penalty area, you get one penalty stroke. For yellow penalty areas, you have two relief options. For red penalty areas, you have three relief options (the same two relief options as you do for yellow, plus one additional option.) For a yellow penalty area, you may take relief by dropping into a relief area using (1) the spot at which your last stroke was made under stroke and distance (see Rule 17.1d(1)) or (2) the back-on-the-line relief procedure (see Rule 17.1d(2)). For a red penalty area, you have the two options above for a yellow penalty area, plus an additional option to take lateral relief. Lateral relief allows you to drop a ball into a relief area measured from where your ball last crossed the edge of red penalty area. From that reference point, you are allowed to drop outside the penalty area and anywhere within two club-lengths of that spot, no nearer to the hole (see Rule 17.1d(3)) I hope this full explanation makes it easy and clear about how to properly execute to ensure it remains just a one-stroke penalty!! 😊
Hello, at 2:12 you mention dropping a ball for a "lost ball." When you do this, is it a 1-stroke penalty, or a 2-stroke penalty like for when you drop after hitting OB? Thanks.
Great question, Aaron. The local rule typically allows the golfer to take a drop in the fairway like the OB shot (as you mentioned) with a two-stroke penalty.
I just came across this video because I was trying to explain to someone the difference between red and yellow, easier to show them a video. However you talked about out of bounds and being able to drop the ball on the fairway for a two stroke penalty. Please tell me if I'm wrong, I thought that was model local rule E5 and is only in use if the course says it's in use? I was having a semi-argument on the internet recently with someone. Is this a US thing where the whole of the US has adopted this or something? Because USGA and R&A both state you have to take stroke and distance. Thanks in advance.
@@Randsurfer I do find it that a lot of people don't understand it isn't a general rule of golf, and since the local rule has been introduced they just think that's what you can do.
If the ball is in a penalty area, but I can get the club on the ball, am I allowed to play the ball from where it lies within the penalty area, so long as I don't ground my club?
Since Rule changes of 2019, in a penalty area: 1. You can ground your club 2. You can move loose impediments 3. You can move moveable obstructions (plastic cup, etc.) 4. You can take practice swings Basically everything you can do in the General Area but you DO NOT get free relief from any immovable obstructions in the Penalty Area.
I did not hear you mention playing and announcing a " provisional ball" off the tee, just in case the first one is NOT OB or lost. Are you just trying to keep things simple or have they done away with that? I also missed you saying how much of a penalty ( if any) was incurred if the ball finds its way into a penalty area.. The way I heard you saying " relief" one would gather that there is no penalty at all...............just " relief". I'm pretty sure that not how it works. How's about redoing this whole video and making a few additions/ corrections? Thank you.
I have seen clubs employ a local rule that allows the ball to be dropped in the fairway as described in the video. That is usually not a tournament option though. Just to accelerate pace of play.
I play at a course with an island green. There no red or yellow stakes to define the nature of the water, the penalty area. It can make a huge difference if it would be yellow or red. I've seen opinions that it should be yellow, so you should play it as yellow if you go in the water, and I've seen opinions that if the water is unmarked, it should be assumed to be red. What is the correct answer and can you reference a rule # in the rule book. I can't find anything on this. Thanks!!
Hi Kevin, First - thanks so much for watching! This is an interesting question, and I bet this situation is a bit more common than we might think. I will take a close look at the official rules of golf to see if anything is there. However, my first thought here is to learn a bit more about (the official) local rules regarding these areas of the course. Have you asked the course officials about these spots? How are they treated during league play, tournaments, events, etc.? Please let me know!
As the person who marks courses for tournaments we consider two things. 1. What was the intent of the course design. 2. Where will the player take penalty relief. If there is no back on the line option from where a hole location will be we paint it red, so not to force the player to have to rehit the shot. If the hole was designed so that the penalty area needed to be hit over we paint it yellow. BUT as of 2019 any penalty are may be marked red. Plus ANYTHING can be made a penalty area. Here in the west we have areas with tall fescue. If I feel a player could hit into this area and not find the ball we paint it red to avoid the stroke and distance lost ball situation. Most courses have moved to all red areas. The sad fact is it saves money and time for many courses to not mark at all. So they don't. Check the back of the score card or ask in the golf shop. It's not in the rule book.
Let's count the errors in this video: 1. OB is not "penalty area". OB is OB, it is a beast unto itself. Penalty areas are Marked as Red or Yellow. 2. Golf doesn't have "shots", it has "strokes" 3. Standard Rules do not allow a 2-stroke penalty drop for OB. 4. Talking about lost ball and then say "out of bounds" 2:00 5. She Said a player can play a shot without penalty if a ball is found in a penalty area. Need to stipulate must be played from its location in the penalty area. 6. Stroke and distance description regarding relief from yellow penalty area is terrible 3:15 7. Back on the line description is so wrong. 3:35 8. It is not "impossible" to "get behind" a lateral water hazard. 4:00. That's why red penalty areas have a "back on the line" option. The seems like a joke video, but I think it isn't.
theirs is no rule that allows you to take a two shot penalty and drop a ball on the fairway in the rules of golf. if your going to offer intruction it would help if you new the rules
That is only one of many errors in this video. However, check your use of "your", "theirs", "new". If you are going to write a critical comment, you should know the the basics of grammar.
@@Randsurfer why ? are you saying if English is not your first language then your not welcome here and although you understood what I said you felt the need to be pedantic.
I know in this day and age gender doesn't matter but you have to make sure your more explicit when describing you videos, the men's and women's tga's arm really different when it comes to the rules not extremely but definitely different because women hit from a whole different set of t's on any golf course in that if they played this anymore than them in so you're going to have different rules
Although in this instance that really doesn't make any difference there still is some things are kind of leaving out for us male player at the same time I could use my f****** common sense cuz if not like anything they explicitly try to mention in any kind of competition setting not that I may be way PGA player and playing a couple local tournaments in a couple state tournament saying they don't even give a half-assed explanation all the markers as more even an immeasurable explanation where you give a full explanation as someone who's actually been there and knows their s*** which obviously you do thank you for making videos I will continue to watch and enjoy everyone!!!!
Do you know what the red, yellow, and white stakes and markings out on the golf course?
Good stuff Greta!
Thank you!! I’m glad you like it.
@@DrGretaGolf
I like what you’re doing… keep it going.
@Al Allen - thank you very much for your kind words! I appreciate you taking the time to watch 😊
Thank you Dr. GretaGolf- good video.
Worth mention- USGA Rule 18 "Stroke and Distance / Out of Bounds" does NOT include the "2-stroke" penalty / drop where the ball went out / was lost.
It's a "local" rule, but if any type of organized event, players must verify if it applies.
It's not only a local rule it's a rule that is not fully understood on how it should be implemented. Here in N. Nevada we recommend clubs not use this local rule. For NNGA and USGA events we NEVER use this rule. All it starts is problems.
Well explained, thank you!
Thanks for going over this! I've been playing for a few years and, suffering from mild dyslexia, I have some difficulty remembering these rules. You have some great common sense videos that I find very helpful!
I’m SO pleased to know that this (and other) videos are helpful to you!! For sure, these rules are kind of cumbersome and definitely a lot to remember. Are there any other topics that you’d like to see me cover? Just let me know and I’ll do my best to make it happen...that’s why I’m here 😊⛳️!!
I think it's worth noting the 2-stroke, fairway-drop rule for lost/OB ball is a local rule, so not always in effect. I just learned about this one and, unfortunately, plan on using it often.
Yes, you’re correct - it’s a local rule designed to keep groups moving at an acceptable pace of play. This way, players do not have to go all the way back to the tee box after a lengthy hunt for their lost drives.
We’ll make a note to advise that it’s a local rule when we update in short order!!
@@DrGretaGolf Strange. So, we're penalized an additional stroke for speeding up play? Sounds like "Pace Of Play" isn't as important of an issue as they make it sound.
It’s certainly not the ideal to incur a penalty for sure, but in this situation in which the ball is lost, the player would incur a penalty one way or another. So, it’s a bit of a trade off, but accepting the penalty and dropping further down vs. re-teeing is a viable option and definitely time saving in most instances.
@@dsbrainard since the proper Penalty is *Stroke and Distance* - and whenever there is a suspicion that your Ball went OB or might be Lost - *a Provisional Ball should have been played.* That Provisional Ball would now lie 2 Strokes more than the OB/Lost Ball.
This is why the Local Rule Drop costs you Two Strokes because
The Local Rule Drop is a substitution for the Provisional Ball.
@@apaulmcdonough2170 Thank YOU! If you think it may be out play the provisional ball.
Great explanation. Thank you. I need to send to some of my buddies as maybe they can now understand these things.
Hi Matt! Glad that you the video is helpful. Yes, please do send over to your friends if it will be helpful to them. Thank you for watching!!
Not sure if this information is correct. I thought if you hit the ball out of bounds or called for a lost ball the only option you have is to re-tee your ball under penalty of one stroke. Stroke and distance. The option of taking a drop within two club lengths from the point your ball entered the OB area or from a approximate area where you lost your ball under the penalty of two strokes is a local rule only adopted by some golf clubs to speed up play if I'm not mistaken.
Yellow stakes you have two options by taking the two club lengths rule from the point your ball entered into the hazard area keeping the same alignment from the point of entry and the hole itself, obviously not nearer the hole, this option I'm not sure was mentioned or secondly as correctly stated you can take your next shot from a position as far back at your discretion but again keeping the same alignment between the point of entry into the hazard and the hole. Keeping in mind their maybe a nearby drop Zone area where you should take you penalty shot.
I was hoping there was a way to drop out of white stakes for pace of play, great video and thank you for answering my question!
Nice work thanks.
So informative and soft spoken. Love the content!
Thank you for your kind words! I appreciate that you have taken the time to watch. Please let me know if there are any specific topics/issues you’d like to see me cover in upcoming videos!!!
I love your content. You remind me of me. Explain putting stroke concepts and their speed most definely
I’m serous Dr. Greta. You are great. Introverts love this content. No clickbait or excessive content invvolved. Keep grinding!
Putting - I can definitely cover that!! Will do 😊👍🏽⛳️
I appreciate your encouragement - thanks so much!!
Great video. Thank you
Dr Greta you mention taking a backward drop after being in the yellow stake area. In your video you state you can go back as far as you like in line from where you last payed, is it not the case that you require to mark where the ball crossed into the yellow area and go back keeping a line between that said spot and the target
Very helpful. Nicely explained 👍🏾
Thank you @abdul ebrahim!! So glad it is helpful!
Superb, clear explanation of these rules. I didn’t know why lateral was called lateral, TYVM.
Hi Chris! I’m SO glad this was helpful to you in learning these rules. Happy to help 😊
Hi, great video!
Off the tee your ball goes into a penalty area (red or yellow stakes) you either find your ball but can't hit it or don't find it at all. You proceed to take the right relief option and drop instead of re teeing. Would this incure a two shot penalty once you have dropped or would it incure just 1 shot penalty? I understand anything of the tee that goes OB (white stakes) you will either re tee for 3 or drop for 3 (hitting for 4) up the fairway. Thanks.
Hi @jordan Carroll
Thanks for watching the video - I’m glad it was helpful to you!! The short answer to your question is one-stroke penalty. I think the easiest way to fully address your question re: # of penalty strokes assessed is to explain as directly stated by the USGA Official Rules of Golf:
When you take relief from a penalty area, you get one penalty stroke. For yellow penalty areas, you have two relief options. For red penalty areas, you have three relief options (the same two relief options as you do for yellow, plus one additional option.) For a yellow penalty area, you may take relief by dropping into a relief area using (1) the spot at which your last stroke was made under stroke and distance (see Rule 17.1d(1)) or (2) the back-on-the-line relief procedure (see Rule 17.1d(2)). For a red penalty area, you have the two options above for a yellow penalty area, plus an additional option to take lateral relief. Lateral relief allows you to drop a ball into a relief area measured from where your ball last crossed the edge of red penalty area. From that reference point, you are allowed to drop outside the penalty area and anywhere within two club-lengths of that spot, no nearer to the hole (see Rule 17.1d(3))
I hope this full explanation makes it easy and clear about how to properly execute to ensure it remains just a one-stroke penalty!! 😊
Hello, at 2:12 you mention dropping a ball for a "lost ball." When you do this, is it a 1-stroke penalty, or a 2-stroke penalty like for when you drop after hitting OB? Thanks.
Great question, Aaron. The local rule typically allows the golfer to take a drop in the fairway like the OB shot (as you mentioned) with a two-stroke penalty.
@@DrGretaGolf Lost ball is Stroke and Distance.
I just came across this video because I was trying to explain to someone the difference between red and yellow, easier to show them a video. However you talked about out of bounds and being able to drop the ball on the fairway for a two stroke penalty. Please tell me if I'm wrong, I thought that was model local rule E5 and is only in use if the course says it's in use? I was having a semi-argument on the internet recently with someone. Is this a US thing where the whole of the US has adopted this or something? Because USGA and R&A both state you have to take stroke and distance. Thanks in advance.
It is not a US thing. That part of the video, and many other parts are incorrect.
@@Randsurfer I do find it that a lot of people don't understand it isn't a general rule of golf, and since the local rule has been introduced they just think that's what you can do.
Awesome content, just started, love it! Thanks!!
So glad to hear that! Please let me know if I can help you with your golf journey. Thanks for watching!!
If you just started, be careful, almost nothing in this video is correct.
If the ball is in a penalty area, but I can get the club on the ball, am I allowed to play the ball from where it lies within the penalty area, so long as I don't ground my club?
Since Rule changes of 2019, in a penalty area:
1. You can ground your club
2. You can move loose impediments
3. You can move moveable obstructions (plastic cup, etc.)
4. You can take practice swings
Basically everything you can do in the General Area but you DO NOT get free relief from any immovable obstructions in the Penalty Area.
So If you hit the ball OB on your 1st shot and drop it on the fairway youre now playing 4?
Makes sense if you think about the alternative which is next shot being 3 off the tee and if that lands in play then your next shot is your 4th.
@@marki3691 Well said
@2:40 the CC translates the good doctor's words into curse words, LOL. Yep, can't play golf without cursing.
I did not hear you mention playing and announcing a " provisional ball" off the tee, just in case the first one is NOT OB or lost. Are you just trying to keep things simple or have they done away with that? I also missed you saying how much of a penalty ( if any) was incurred if the ball finds its way into a penalty area.. The way I heard you saying " relief" one would gather that there is no penalty at all...............just " relief". I'm pretty sure that not how it works. How's about redoing this whole video and making a few additions/ corrections? Thank you.
I believe your drop would be back in the play area. Not in the fairway.
I have seen clubs employ a local rule that allows the ball to be dropped in the fairway as described in the video. That is usually not a tournament option though. Just to accelerate pace of play.
You misspoke. You should have said: 2 clubs length (OB stakes)…., I knew what you meant.
I play at a course with an island green. There no red or yellow stakes to define the nature of the water, the penalty area. It can make a huge difference if it would be yellow or red. I've seen opinions that it should be yellow, so you should play it as yellow if you go in the water, and I've seen opinions that if the water is unmarked, it should be assumed to be red. What is the correct answer and can you reference a rule # in the rule book. I can't find anything on this. Thanks!!
Hi Kevin,
First - thanks so much for watching! This is an interesting question, and I bet this situation is a bit more common than we might think.
I will take a close look at the official rules of golf to see if anything is there. However, my first thought here is to learn a bit more about (the official) local rules regarding these areas of the course. Have you asked the course officials about these spots? How are they treated during league play, tournaments, events, etc.?
Please let me know!
As the person who marks courses for tournaments we consider two things. 1. What was the intent of the course design. 2. Where will the player take penalty relief. If there is no back on the line option from where a hole location will be we paint it red, so not to force the player to have to rehit the shot. If the hole was designed so that the penalty area needed to be hit over we paint it yellow. BUT as of 2019 any penalty are may be marked red. Plus ANYTHING can be made a penalty area. Here in the west we have areas with tall fescue. If I feel a player could hit into this area and not find the ball we paint it red to avoid the stroke and distance lost ball situation. Most courses have moved to all red areas. The sad fact is it saves money and time for many courses to not mark at all. So they don't. Check the back of the score card or ask in the golf shop. It's not in the rule book.
Is it 2-stroke penalty for lost ball?
no 1 stroke but play the ball from where you last hit it
Or you can take a two stroke penalty and play it from the edge fairway
@@scottp4941 ONLY IF the Local Rule has been approved by that Golf Course/Club.
Let's count the errors in this video:
1. OB is not "penalty area". OB is OB, it is a beast unto itself. Penalty areas are Marked as Red or Yellow.
2. Golf doesn't have "shots", it has "strokes"
3. Standard Rules do not allow a 2-stroke penalty drop for OB.
4. Talking about lost ball and then say "out of bounds" 2:00
5. She Said a player can play a shot without penalty if a ball is found in a penalty area. Need to stipulate must be played from its location in the penalty area.
6. Stroke and distance description regarding relief from yellow penalty area is terrible 3:15
7. Back on the line description is so wrong. 3:35
8. It is not "impossible" to "get behind" a lateral water hazard. 4:00. That's why red penalty areas have a "back on the line" option.
The seems like a joke video, but I think it isn't.
The content is great, but more easy for beginner understand you should be pretend to be a golfer and play all, then you can show in action
theirs is no rule that allows you to take a two shot penalty and drop a ball on the fairway in the rules of golf. if your going to offer intruction it would help if you new the rules
That is only one of many errors in this video. However, check your use of "your", "theirs", "new". If you are going to write a critical comment, you should know the the basics of grammar.
@@Randsurfer why ? are you saying if English is not your first language then your not welcome here and although you understood what I said you felt the need to be pedantic.
@@markwhent2523 Pedantic is a fancy word.
@@Randsurfer great come back. You got me
I know in this day and age gender doesn't matter but you have to make sure your more explicit when describing you videos, the men's and women's tga's arm really different when it comes to the rules not extremely but definitely different because women hit from a whole different set of t's on any golf course in that if they played this anymore than them in so you're going to have different rules
Although in this instance that really doesn't make any difference there still is some things are kind of leaving out for us male player at the same time I could use my f****** common sense cuz if not like anything they explicitly try to mention in any kind of competition setting not that I may be way PGA player and playing a couple local tournaments in a couple state tournament saying they don't even give a half-assed explanation all the markers as more even an immeasurable explanation where you give a full explanation as someone who's actually been there and knows their s*** which obviously you do thank you for making videos I will continue to watch and enjoy everyone!!!!
What the fuck are you talking about?
There is not a single rule of golf that is different for men or women.
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U look like ur 17yo I swear to you..so beautiful 💥💥